Madison protests

[Dinsdale]

the average student these days is "dumbed down" by a variety of factors coming in--bad health, bad diet, much higher rates of ADD, etc, and infinitely more trivial distractions from Facebook, etc.

So, in short, students are dumbed-down by bad parenting...


since it's now much more profitable for both parents to work, since there's so many more feedbags with outrageous benefits available at the public trough -- parents want that big fat pension at age 50... after the nest is empty, at the expense of their children.

Your "system" is the problem, not the solution.

But keep your chin up -- someday, your brain might kick in, and one day you may not turn around and contradict yourself every time you abuse your keyboard.

But if you ever come up with a "solution" that doesn't involve a politician named Robin Hood, I'm all ears.

[Goober McTuber]

But if you ever come up with a "solution" that doesn't involve a politician named Robin Hood, I'm all ears.

In Wisconsin we’ve discovered an anti-Robin Hood. He takes from the poor and gives to the rich. We decided to make him governor.

[War Wagon]

The real--and obvious--problem is that we're pouring our national wealth into the heinous and utterly unwinnable permanent wars...

Defense spending is one third of the 3-legged stool of out of control spending. You conveniently neglected Social Security and Medicare entitlement spending, which is only going to get worse before it gets better.

You think the union honks in Madison are pissed off? Try cutting bluehairs monthly SS check and med benefits they spent a lifetime paying for if you want to see pissed off.

[LTS TRN 2]

There's plenty of money for Medicare and Social Security as well. The folks receiving Social Security have paid into it--same with pension funds. Why is this so shamelessly ignored?

As for Dins typically drunk mumblings...?....Both parents HAVE to work! And they still can barely stay afloat because wages and salaries have been stagnated since the SEVENTIES while ceo and executive pay has reached astronomic proportions. Do you know anything about "capital flight"? Do you know anything about the hording of wealth in this country in the past twenty years or so--and increasing dramatically in the last ten? In short, how boxed are you to puke up these inane ramblings?

[War Wagon]

There's plenty of money for Medicare and Social Security as well.

If there were any doubt as to how psychotically delusional you are, this removes it.

[Dinsdale]

same with pension funds. Why is this so shamelessly ignored?

Because in Oregon, this is patently false. The only donation they make is the part of their state taxes they pay in.

[Goober McTuber]

There's plenty of money for Medicare and Social Security as well.

If there were any doubt as to how psychotically delusional you are, this removes it.

You don't get it, Wags. LTS TRN 2 wants marginal income tax rates on income above $250,000 to be set at 90% or higher. Then, he figures that all the tycoons will just work harder to get their 10% return on risk, which will flood the public coffers with gazillions of dollars, which the elites in government can freely dispsense, lifting all of the boats in the harbor. Fuck man, the previously-poor will dine on caviar in free lunch programs and roses will grow out your ass. This kind of logic has worked every time it has been tried.

I’m not pushing for a 90% marginal tax rate, but didn’t this in fact work OK back in the 50’s and/or 60's? Just asking.

[War Wagon]

The Koch brothers will pay for everything... at least their estates will. They will be frog marched into a re-education camp for their own good.

LTS nirvanna right then and there.

Actually, I'm disappointed. Figured he'd already been back in here by now harrumphing about obscenely low capital gains and corporate tax rates.

[mvscal]

Do you know anything about "capital flight"?

Do you?

Capital flight is the inevitable consequence of overregulation of business and overtaxation of individuals.

[mvscal]

I’m not pushing for a 90% marginal tax rate, but didn’t this in fact work OK back in the 50’s and/or 60's? Just asking.

Of course taxes were twice as high at the bottom level as well. The average rate was 20% on income over $4,000 with no earned income credit. It's a fact that seems to have been lost on the envious unwashed who clamor for a return to the 50's and 60's.

These high rates also had a clearly defined purpose and that was to pay off the debt accrued by WW2 which made them somewhat more palatable. In addition....where the fuck else was anyone going to go? The rest of the world was a bombed out shithole.

[smackaholic]

If I'm not mistaken, those higher rates came along with much looser restrictions on what you could deduct, so the effective rates weren't a whole lot different from today.

If there is an area that the rich have gotten over in over the last 20-30 years, it is the ridiculous salaries that are the result of fukked up stock option plans.

Boards vote for such theivery because they know their turn is next.

If there is an area that needs regulating of some sort, this is it. tax rates themselves are plenty high already.

[LTS TRN 2]

There's plenty of money for Medicare and Social Security as well.

If there were any doubt as to how psychotically delusional you are, this removes it.

You don't get it, Wags. LTS TRN 2 wants marginal income tax rates on income above $250,000 to be set at 90% or higher. Then, he figures that all the tycoons will just work harder to get their 10% return on risk, which will flood the public coffers with gazillions of dollars, which the elites in government can freely dispsense, lifting all of the boats in the harbor. Fuck man, the previously-poor will dine on caviar in free lunch programs and roses will grow out your ass. This kind of logic has worked every time it has been tried. For the good of the environment, the government will prohibit the use of carbon fuels. We won't be able to make or transport anything. But who really cares, because we won't need any jobs. The Koch brothers will pay for everything... at least their estates will. They will be frog marched into a re-education camp for their own good.

Do you know anything about "capital flight"?

Do you?

Capital flight is the inevitable consequence of overregulation of business and overtaxation of individuals.

Okay, briefly, what we've got here is a circle-jerk of a fool, a fake, and a hysterical fraud.

Wags, you foolish fellow, the plenty of money required to keep Social Security and Medicare going indefinitely is to be found both in the river of cash we're pouring down the drain in Afghanistan and Iraq, etc., as well as the grotesque degree of theft committed by the deregulated Wall St. shysters. Simple as that. You can argue the Medicare needs serious reform--and I'd agree--but you'll find that the utterly shameless profiteering of the insurance industry and Big Pharma is the place to fix the obvious huge problem.

Avi is a total fraud who simply talks asinine nonsense. Capital flight is essentially criminal--corporations--not individuals--funneling vast amounts of money out of any nation's economy tax-free. It's a colossal dilemma which is at the base of the current world economic meltdown.

SS is a goose-stepping idiot who rants obnoxiously simplistic "libertarian" jargon and can't actually debate anything.

From Glenn Beck and Old Man Potter, to Reagan and Ariel Sharon, their sources and role models are a freak show of disgraceful lunatics and criminals.

Wake the fuck up!

[Dr_Phibes]

fuck em, scrounging 'rats', they didn't have any incentive to try. Blackwater would have won that..

[War Wagon]

The first cost of the Iraq war is measured in the lives of our soldiers.

And you care about the cost of lives why?

Don't answer.

It won't go well for you.

[mvscal]

The first cost of the Iraq war is measured in the lives of our soldiers.

Abortion enthusiast says what?

[mvscal]

I can tell the difference between a living, breathing person and a fetus,

Fetuses both live and breathe and their hearts pump blood just like yours or mine.

How many of those 50 million fetuses that have been terminated because "now isn't a good time for Mommy" do you suppose would have grown up to be soldiers?

For all you libtarded faggots, that is 50 million dead taxpayers.

[War Wagon]

forced birth

Forced Birth

Even the worst meth head on the planet knows they didn't force their child to be conceived and somehow, someway, try to take responsibility for it.

But not our boy Jsc planet of the apes here.

If I ever meet you, I will spit in your face.

[mvscal]

You value the fucking fetus more than a woman, right?

I value them equally. Why should one die for the simple convenience of another? As usual, you are a totally fucked up moron.

[War Wagon]

You value the fucking fetus more than a woman, right?

You admitted you aborted your child because it wasn't convenient at the time.

It wasn't about the health of the woman you knocked up, it was about your career.

Now, you try to justify those actions to soothe your guilt.

I could forgive that, if you had seen the error.

But you don't. You persist in trying to ameliorate the circumstance and actively try to justify it for your own selfish reasons.

[War Wagon]

What guilt? What error? I'd do it again under the same circumstances.

You aborted a perfectly viable human being. I guess that was your perogative. Would it have been a boy or a girl? What would you have named him or her? Do these thoughts ever occur to you?

Quit trying to make the argument that abortion is acceptable when defects are present, when that wasn't your motivation

What part about not being ready to be a parent do you not understand?

The part about you being a selfish waste of human excrement not fit to procreate.

[LTS TRN 2]

TIME OUT!!

Let's see, the inane right-wing "American Thinker" piece gets immediately refuted--and Avi desperately goes into an Abortion evasion tact?

And the stooges all fall in line and start arguing about a woman's right to choose? Oh, that's right...just like the soldiers were not factored into the "cost" of the Iraq invasion, so too the WOMEN are never mentioned in the fake bluster about Roe V Wade and the Sanctity of life.

Pathetic.

[Diego in Seattle]

So you "pro-life" fucktards have each adopted at least ten children each? If not, why aren't you practicing what you preach?

That's what I thought.

Pro-life....until the baby hits the eject button.

[poptart]

The 10 page poli' thread is now poised to veer off into a 14 page abortion thread.

Perfect.


:)

[LTS TRN 2]

It's not an "abortion" thread.

It's about the cornered and desperate Tea Baggers running like rats for a dark corner.

[Goober McTuber]

If I'm not mistaken

Ginormous "if" of epic proportions.

[Mace]

You value the fucking fetus more than a woman, right?

I value them equally. Why should one die for the simple convenience of another? As usual, you are a totally fucked up moron.

Unless that woman is a politician. :roll:

[Goober McTuber]

It's not an "abortion" thread.

It's an abortion of a thread.

[smackaholic]

not one for hijacking threads, but, it's already been done, so...

my 2 cents.

jsc, your "not ready it be a parent" excuse is utter shit. there are people lined up desperate for a new born. and i am talking about well to do white folk with plenty of $$$$$ desperate for chillins of their own. you did not need to be a parent. being a sperm donor is what you were and you needed to go no further. your GF was a bit more involved. it would have meant getting fat for a spell, some pain, minor medical risk, but, in the end, it would have cost her a bit of her time and maybe a little titty sag. the fact that you and she were college students means this kid errr, excuse me, fetus, was gonna be white and prolly kinda bright. these facts would have made this ki...fetus even more marketable. it could have and should have gone to a loving family and had a good life. but, it didn't.

wags, STFU already. abortion is legal. i think you've aired your views pretty well.

my opinion? i think abortion sucks. i also think crack use sucks. i think ninnies telling others what to do sucks more. people will do crack. they will abort their kids. lets tax the fukk out of crack and see to it that tax dollars don't go to murdering chillins, but, lets not attempt to ban it, because we can't. it really just comes down to being pragmatic about it.

abortion during the first 5-6 months should remain legal. beyond that, it's viable and becomes a little too fukking close to being plain old regular murder, that is the type of murder that even jsc detests. and anyone that trys to defend partial birth murder by siting "health of the mother" should be stood against a wall and shot.

[Goober McTuber]

Governor Wanker’s proposed budget includes a provision that health insurance drug plans do not have to cover birth control pills. Brilliant!

[mvscal]

You value the fucking fetus more than a woman, right?

I value them equally. Why should one die for the simple convenience of another? As usual, you are a totally fucked up moron.

Unless that woman is a politician. :roll:

Correct. I don't believe that people should be killed until they actually do something to deserve being killed or adopt a career in which being killed is an occupational hazard.

People should be given the opportunity to make their own choices and make their own mistakes. They shouldn't have a pair of scissors jammed into their skull and have their severed body parts vacuumed out of their mother's snatch because some stupid, self-absorbed douche isn't "ready to be a parent."

[War Wagon]

The abortion was performed in the first half of the first trimester, and at that time, it wasn't even a fetus. It was an embryo. It certainly was not viable.

Semantic bullshit.

It would have become a viable human being had you and your selfish bitch not decided to play God. It's one thing when you try to defend the clinical practice of murder by reason of birth defects or the health of the mother, quite another when it's all about convenience.

And I really don't mind that you legally butchered your offspring. It's none of my business. What bugs me is the way you advocate for other people to do the same, the same way you crusade for gay marriage. It's like you're proud of yourself for having done that.

[indyfrisco]

And I really don't mind that you legally butchered your offspring.

Nailed it. One less JsClone in the voting booth.

[indyfrisco]

Jsc, I defend a person's right to have an abortion. I just think the requirement should be that tubes get tied and the snips taken to the douchebag father. My friends just adopted their second baby....from Africa. The timeline one must go through to get a healthy white baby are ridiculous. There's nothing wrong with them having black children. Doesn't bother them one bit nor should it. However, they were given the choice of black baby today or white baby ??? years. Someone would have wanted your baby no matter how much you didn't want it. For you to deny that is beyond ridiculous.

[indyfrisco]

Why should my wife or girlfriend be forced to go through a pregnancy and birth for someone else's benefit? There are health risks and consequences during pregnancy and birth, you know.

I never said she should be forced to. The decision is hers. I just said she should only have the opportunity to make that decision once. I'm all about deregulation in the markets, but I'd put a check in the box if I ever got to vote on parental regulation. I know it's not possible, but I wish there were qualifications to have children. Moreso than a hard dick, a juicy twat and zero responsibility. That right there would clean up this fucked up country that is year in and year out regressing.

[War Wagon]

Why should my wife or girlfriend be forced to go through a pregnancy and birth for someone else's benefit?

Nobody forced her to have sex, did they?

I love how you completely ignore the benefit of the defenseless child involved, as if you were referring to a lump of coal.

[indyfrisco]

Jsc,

I didn't ask you to agree with me. I'm not trying to get your approval as I am well aware that my standards are very high. I was raised to be held accountable for my actions, and I am raising my children the same way. Period. I'm by no means perfect. I've fucked up many times. However, I have always owned my fuck-ups, and in most cases, learned something from them and became stronger because of it. Never would I expect someone else to pay for my fuck-up...especially with a child's life. Sterilization? Yeah, I'd be on board with that for the mother and the father should they choose to abort the life of a child out of convenience. And if you and your girlfriend were given THAT choice way back when, I'm guessing your biological son/daughter would most likely be alive and well today. There should be a consequence, and a guilty conscious at worst should not be it.

[Goober McTuber]

One of the most pernicious myths surrounding the Wisconsin budget showdown is Gov. Scott Walker's claim that the state is "broke," there is nothing to negotiate and the only solution is to mandate massive reductions in public employee compensation and to abolish their collective bargaining rights.

This is nonsense. Wisconsin has not gone into the red because of excessively generous pay and benefits negotiated by unions for state and local employees. Our deficit has grown because the Great Recession blew a hole in the state budget, as it did in virtually every state in the country.

Nor are excessively generous compensation packages for state employees holding back the recovery: Careful studies by the Economic Policy Institute as well as University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee economists Keith Bender and John Heywood show clearly that public-sector employees are less well-compensated than comparably educated and experienced private-sector workers in Wisconsin.

Most assuredly, Wisconsin isn't "bankrupt" because public-sector unions here have the right to collective bargaining. There are 13 states with no collective bargaining rights for public workers; eight of them have larger budget shortfalls than does Wisconsin. In Texas, for example, a non-collective bargaining state whose low-tax, "open for business" economic policies are vaunted by the right, the state's deficit as a percentage of the total budget is over twice that of Wisconsin's.

Clearly, Walker is using the relatively modest fiscal strain facing Wisconsin as a pretext to roll back basic worker rights and undermine public employee unions as a political force. Moreover, beyond this indefensible demonization of public employees as the primary cause of the state's budgetary shortfall, Walker's plan makes no macroeconomic sense.

As Wisconsin struggles to recover from the Great Recession, an economic downturn propelled by lack of consumer demand, Walker intends to significantly reduce the purchasing power of 300,000 middle-class consumers and taxpayers. The negative ripple effects of this austerity and shrinking consumer spending will cost Wisconsin thousands of private-sector jobs and stifle the state's economic recovery.

The immediate crisis, according to Walker, is a $137 million shortfall in the current biennial budget. "We're broke; we don't have the money," says the governor, and only slashing the compensation and bargaining rights of public employees can get us through the crisis. (Let's ignore for the moment the inconvenient fact for Walker's "we're broke" trope that at the same time he was slashing compensation for teachers, he was increasing the deficit by bestowing $117 million in business tax breaks.)

The reality, of course, is that Walker's plan is not the only way to fill the $137 million gap; it is a policy choice which, to borrow from Warren Buffett, represents "class warfare . . . but it's the rich class that's making war, and we're winning." Rather than attacking the living standards of middle class teachers, prison guards and health care workers, Wisconsin policy-makers can easily close this budgetary gap - and reduce surging inequality in the state - by temporarily raising taxes on the superwealthy and corporations.

As economist Dean Baker points out, the tax increase "only needs to be temporary, since the state budget should be fine once the economy recovers." Business tax cuts in Wisconsin in recent years have reduced the share of state revenues provided by corporate taxes to almost half the level of 20 years ago. By one measure, from the pro-corporate Council on State Taxation, our business tax burden ranks 12th-lowest in the country.

Moreover, as a study by the Institute for Wisconsin's Future documented, Wisconsin corporations underpay state and local taxes by more than $1.3 billion annually: This is the difference between what businesses actually pay in state and local taxes and what they would be contributing if paying at the average national rate.

Clearly, stanching "corporate tax leakage" ought to be at the heart of any serious deficit reduction strategy in Wisconsin. Instead, Walker wants to further reduce corporate taxes. The accompanying chart illustrates how a modest temporary 1.5% income surcharge on Wisconsin's superwealthy could generate over $168 million, easily filling the $137 million budgetary gap that Walker claims can only be met by eliminating collective bargaining. Ninety-nine percent of Wisconsin taxpayers would be unaffected by the surcharge; it would apply only to the richest 1% of Wisconsinites, and only on annual income above $260,000, with the largest amount raised from those making more than $1 million annually.

In short, contrary to the governor's repeated claims, Wisconsin does have options. Walker has made a choice: He would rather mandate 8% compensation cuts on teachers and abolish collective bargaining than levy a temporary 1.5% income surcharge on the superwealthy. Walker's choice, however, damages the state's social fabric, contributes to growing inequality in the state, and harms our prospects for future economic prosperity. We can do better.

To be sure, Wisconsin still needs to manage a $3.6 billion deficit in the 2011-2013 budget cycle. But rather than trying to meet that challenge by attacking middle-class workers and by gutting spending on, say, public education, we would be better served by a balanced plan that makes spending cuts where they would be prudent, and raises revenues in ways that reduce inequality and are least damaging to the most vulnerable.

There's been much rhetoric about the need for "shared sacrifice" and "belt tightening" to meet the state's budgetary challenge; it's time for reality to match some of that rhetoric and end the class warfare being waged against Wisconsin's workers and middle class.

Marc V. Levine is professor of history, economic development, and urban studies at UWM and is founding director of the university's Center for Economic Development.

[indyfrisco]

Like I said, "at worst." In your case, there was absolutely no consequence...to you or your girlfriend. The cunt ketchup would have begged to differ if given the chance.

[mvscal]

One of the most pernicious myths...is Gov. Scott Walker's claim that the state is "broke,"...

This is nonsense. Wisconsin has not gone into the red because of excessively generous pay and benefits negotiated by unions for state and local employees. Our deficit has grown because the Great Recession blew a hole in the state budget, as it did in virtually every state in the country.

That stupid clown did a fine job kicking his own ass in his first two paragraphs. So which is it, asshat? The state isn't broke or it's broke because of declining revenues caused by the recession?

I guess keeping all your bullshit stories straight must be a challenge for libtards these days. You should just keep it simple and blame everything on the $43,000 the Koch brothers spent on Walker's campaign.

[Dinsdale]

There is no guilty conscious.

You are absolutely correct.


Sin,
Your English Teacher