Why is Libya "different"?

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Why is the story on the Libyan revolt spun differently that the other Arab world stories?

Why is the Libyan resistance now branded "the rebels" by the press? Everywhere else they were "freedom fighters" and "popular revolt".

Why are those British SAS creeps being touted by the media as having been sent to aid the resistance when in actuality, their job was to scout enemy positions and ground targets for Gaddafi.

What did Tony Blair assure Gaddafi of in his long telephone conversation last week? Was it SAS assistance?

Why is there very little footage of Libyan forces in combat...using their American equipment?



Next Stop: painting the resistance as "Islamist"....you'll see.

[War Wagon]

whassa' matter, Marty, you want we should go in there hot and heavy with ground forces and show Qaddafi what up?

Are you disappointed that we haven't at least bombed his airfields yet?

That's what the rebels, err, freedom fighters want us to do, yesterday.

[mvscal]

Why is there very little footage of Libyan forces in combat...using their American equipment?

Because the Libyan military isn't equipped with US weapons, you stupid fucktard.

The IISS estimated tank numbers in 2009 as 2,002(not including those proven to have been captured/destroyed in the libyan uprising as of March 7): 197 T-72; 115 in store; 90 T-62; 70 in store; 499 T-55; 1,040 T-54/T-55 in store. The IISS estimated there were 50 BRDM-2 and 70 EE-9 Cascavel reconnaissance vehicles, 991 BMP-1s, plus BMD-1s.[3] Russian official sources reported in 2010 that T-72s would be modernised with help from Russia.[4] 750 BTR-50 and BTR-60s were also reported by the IISS. Other reported wheeled vehicles in service include 100 EE-11 Urutu, and Czechoslovak OT-64 SKOT.[5]

The IISS estimated artillery in service in 2009 as totaling 2,421 pieces. 444 SP artillery pieces were reported; 122mm 130 2S1 Carnation; 152mm 140: 60 2S3 Akatsiya; 80 M-77 Dana; 155mm 174: 14 M-109; 160 VCA 155 Palmaria. 647+ towed artillery pieces were reported: 105mm 42+ M-101; 122mm 250: 190 D-30; 60 D-74; 130mm 330 M-46; 152mm 25 M-1937. 830 Multiple rocket launchers were reported: an estimated 300 107mm Type-63; 122mm 530: ε200 BM-11; ε229 BM-21 Grad; ε100 RM-70 Dana (RM-70 multiple rocket launcher?). The IISS also estimated that Libya had 500 mortars: 82mm 428; 120mm ε48 M-43; 160mm ε24 M-160. Surface to Surface Missiles reported in service include FROG-7 and SCUD-B, (416 missiles).

Anti Tank missiles reported in service include 400 French/German MILAN, and 620+ AT-3, AT-4, and AT-5, all of Soviet manufacture.

In 2009 the IISS estimated that Libya had Crotale, SA-7 Grail, SA-9/SA-13 surface to air missiles, and AA guns in Army service. A separate Air Defence Command has SA-2, SA-3, SA-5 Gammon, and SA-8b Gecko, plus guns.

Reported anti aircraft artillery includes Soviet 57 mm S-60, 23 mm self-propelled ZSU-23-4 and ZU-23-2, Czech M53/59 Praga, and Swedish Bofors 40mm guns.

Small arms reported in service include TT pistol, Beretta M12, FN P90, SKS, AK-47, and AKM assault rifles, the FN F2000, Soviet RPD machine gun, RPK machine gun, PK machine guns, DShK heavy machine gun, KPV heavy machine guns, SG-43 Goryunov, and a number of RPG type and anti-aircraft missile systems: RPG-2, RPG-7, 9K32 Strela-2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Army

[War Wagon]

btw Marty, up pretty early today, don't you usually sleep till noon?

Big day of rock throwing scheduled?

[Screw_Michigan]

It's Fat Tuesday, he was just waiting in line to get fresh paczkis at the local Polish grocer. Like you should have, Whitey.

[Goober McTuber]

Fat Tuesday

Comes right after Fat Monday and right before Fat Wednesday.

Sincerely,

Lardspray

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Because the Libyan military isn't equipped with US weapons, you stupid fucktard.

Fuck off.

By comparison, the U.S. peak was $46 million in approved defense sales in the final year of the Bush administration in 2008 — up from $5 million in Libyan defense sales the year before.

By all means, read the whole article.
It comes from Marine Corps Times, so they can't be lying, right?

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

...fresh paczkis...

Obama's continued drone strikes on their civilian population sickens me.

[Cuda]

Fat Tuesday

Comes right after Fat Monday and right before Fat Wednesday.

Sincerely,

Lardspray

The Irony Police are about to knock on your door.

[Goober McTuber]

Fat Tuesday

Comes right after Fat Monday and right before Fat Wednesday.

Sincerely,

Lardspray

The Irony Police are about to knock on your door.

The Ignorance Police are about to kick yours down, Cooter.

[LTS TRN 2]

Well, it's not like the American intelligence community has had a clue as to what's been happening in any of these uprisings. America had been shamelessly propping the Tunisian and Egyptian dictators, and Qaddafi as well. The corporate power structure wants to maintain repressive regimes everywhere. You know, no unions, no rights. Blair has been particularly ludicrous, but really no more than Hillary and the entire AIPAC co-opted state department.

The difference? Oil, of course.

[mvscal]

Because the Libyan military isn't equipped with US weapons, you stupid fucktard.

Fuck off.

I already provided a list of the systems they use, you dumb jerkoff. Guess what? They aren't American. You might try actually reading your own article before you post it. It says that you're an idiot.

Go fuck yourself.

[BSmack]

Why is the Libyan resistance now branded "the rebels" by the press?

In the SEC, that is considered a complement.

[Mikey]

I thought it was Marty who was "different".

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

I already provided a list of the systems they use, you dumb jerkoff. Guess what? They aren't American. You might try actually reading your own article before you post it. It says that you're an idiot.

Go fuck yourself.

46 million in military loans...

...during the Bush Administration...

...to Libya...




Keep spinning.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

I thought it was Marty who was "different".

Oh, shut up, you bionic faggot.

[mvscal]

I already provided a list of the systems they use, you dumb jerkoff. Guess what? They aren't American. You might try actually reading your own article before you post it. It says that you're an idiot.

Go fuck yourself.

46 million in military loans...

...during the Bush Administration...

...to Libya...




Keep spinning.

We wouldn't even sell them old M113's because you could mount machine guns on them. So go ahead and identify the American weapons being used by Libya...or just shut the fuck up.

On the whole, U.S. defense shipments to Libya under the Obama and Bush administrations have been tightly screened in recent years. U.S. sales were dwarfed by a tide of arms sold by European allies. European Union nations approved sales of $470 million in weapons to Gadhafi’s military in 2009 alone — a rush of Italian military aircraft, Maltese small arms and British munitions, according to a January EU arms control report.

By comparison, the U.S. peak was $46 million in approved defense sales in the final year of the Bush administration in 2008 — up from $5 million in Libyan defense sales the year before. The $46 million included $1 million in explosives and incendiary agents, and Toner said the State Department approved shipments of blasting cartridges used in oil exploration. Other U.S. officials cited concerns that such explosive agents could be converted to crude battlefield munitions.

Bush-era officials said the slight increase in Libya defense sales was worth it in return for the dismantling of the rogue nation’s atomic weapons program. “We were careful and measured in what we allowed Gadhafi to get,” said former ambassador Robert Joseph, who coordinated the 2003 nuclear agreement.

[Dr_Phibes]

Bush-era officials said the slight increase in Libya defense sales was worth it in return for the dismantling of the rogue nation’s atomic weapons program. “We were careful and measured in what we allowed Gadhafi to get,” said former ambassador Robert Joseph, who coordinated the 2003 nuclear agreement.

Half their planes can't get off the ground, they're desperate for blasting caps - and they had a rogue nuclear weapons programme?

That's hysterical, an old tractor transmission irradiated in an x-ray machine more like. What a bunch of utter bullshit that is.

[Cuda]

46 million in military loans...

...during the Bush Administration...

...to Libya...
.

... wired to at least two different swiss bank accounts...

Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

[mvscal]

Half their planes can't get off the ground, they're desperate for blasting caps - and they had a rogue nuclear weapons programme?

That's hysterical, an old tractor transmission irradiated in an x-ray machine more like. What a bunch of utter bullshit that is.

I would agree with that.

46 million isn't going to buy you squat, though. It was going to cost 77 million just to buy 50 unarmed, obsolete armored personnel carriers. 46 mil probably bought a few dozen trucks, some spare parts and maybe a couple water buffaloes.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

America sent military aid to Libya.

Get your head around that.

[Goober McTuber]

America sent military aid to Libya.

Get your head around that.

I think we send military aid to anyone who will have it. Then we play like a video game. We should be earning some free games soon.

[mvscal]

America sent military aid to Libya.

Get your head around that.

Who gives a fuck? What did that "aid" buy them, BTW? Any time now.

[LTS TRN 2]

What did it buy them? Well, stability for another dictator in their stable. What the fuck do you think has been going on since the Dulles brothers?

[Dr_Phibes]

The SAS fuck up is funny. Cameron sending eight armed 'diplomats' into the desert with multiple identities, explosives and machine guns to 'negotiate' with the rebels. I'll bet the SAS is pissed.

I don't think any government has a coherent plan, it's fly by the seat of their pants. One minute it's Muslims with burger buns taped to their heads, then they're the 'Libyan Light Camel Cavalry', now it's just Libyans, so let's be polite to both sides.

[mvscal]

now it's just Libyans, so let's be polite to both sides.

Or maybe we could just gas the lot of them. They wouldn't be missed.

[Dr_Phibes]

The way this is going the gas attack plan will be drawn up on a cocktail napkin and agreed upon after everyone's tenth drink.