Boise State hit with LOIC by NCAA

[SoCalTrjn]

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The NCAA has charged Boise State with a lack of institutional control following an alleged major violation in women's tennis and secondary violations in four sports, including football.

The school released its official response to the allegations on Monday evening and will go before the NCAA's Committee on Infractions on June 10. A final report and penalties will be issued several months after that meeting.

"We are deeply committed to following all NCAA rules and to ensuring that our athletic department works diligently so that our procedures reflect the highest standard," Boise State president Bob Kustra said in a statement. "I am disappointed that we face these allegations. It is unacceptable, and the athletic department staff understand and agree with my position."

The secondary violations in football involved impermissible housing, transportation and/or meals to prospective student-athletes from 2005 to 2009.

In all, the NCAA found the total value of impermissible benefits over five years was $4,934 for all of the housing, transportation and meals provided to 63 incoming student-athletes. All services ranged from $2.34 to a maximum of $417.55 and have been reimbursed by the student-athletes.

Boise State began its investigation into potential violations in 2009. The school and NCAA agreed to penalties a year later for the sports that broke the rules: football, men's and women's tennis, and men's and women's track and field. But later that year, Boise State self-reported a major violation in women's tennis.

That led the NCAA to take the secondary violations and major violation and lump them into one case, slapping the more serious "lack of institutional control" charge on top of the existing violations.

"Complying with NCAA rules is fundamental to who we are and how we do things at Boise State," athletic director Gene Bleymaier said in a statement. "We have addressed the issues and are working with the NCAA to bring this to a close."

$2.37 to $417.55 in benefits equals LOIC. What does Ohio State have to look forward to?

[R-Jack]

What does Ohio State have to look forward to?

Not being USC.

[MuchoBulls]

What does Ohio State have to look forward to?

Not being USC.

RACK!!!

[Felix]

$2.37 to $417.55 in benefits equals LOIC. What does Ohio State have to look forward to?

no doubt, BSU will get the "death sentence" for this

[Terry in Crapchester]

$2.37 to $417.55 in benefits equals LOIC. What does Ohio State have to look forward to?

no doubt, BSU will get the "death sentence" for this

I'd be satisfied if the NCAA just made 'em get rid of that goddam blue field! :D

That'll rack. Everytime I see a Boise State home game on TV, I have an uncontrollable urge to adjust my color settings.

[Felix]

That'll rack. Everytime I see a Boise State home game on TV, I have an uncontrollable urge to adjust my color settings.

but every time they're on, the announcers tell you not to adjust your television...but you won't have to worry about that anymore...the Mountain West's television deal pretty much assures that almost nobody will see them play

there were some infractions and the monetary value is irrelevant....as such, there should be consequences

however, the whole "lack of institutional control" assertion is complete and utter horseshit

[King Crimson]

couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of morons in my opinion. sure, OK, they beat an OU team that was ranked about 15 all year and everyone spunks a load...and troll the OU boards like they beat Bud Wilkinson.

Dan Hawkins, what an idiot. having seen his act up close in Boulder....Boise, whatever.

[Felix]

couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of morons in my opinion. sure, OK, they beat an OU team that was ranked about 15 all year and everyone spunks a load...and troll the OU boards like they beat Bud Wilkinson.

obviously that loss had a profound effect on you...lets review

1. OU just wasn't that great
2. The team really didn't care if they won
3. The fans really didn't care if they won

does that about cover it?

[King Crimson]

couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of morons in my opinion. sure, OK, they beat an OU team that was ranked about 15 all year and everyone spunks a load...and troll the OU boards like they beat Bud Wilkinson.

obviously that loss had a profound effect on you...lets review

1. OU just wasn't that great
2. The team really didn't care if they won
3. The fans really didn't care if they won

does that about cover it?

not really. i'm not a "team didn't care" sort of guy, so i don't concede #2 or #3. #4 is OU had a converted WR playing QB. #5, anyone with a month to watch tape was going to see that OU was masking DB shortcomings with the blitz. Venables gets trashed a lot on OU boards, but he did it with smoke and mirrors that season. but, a month to watch tape...and it was obvious. besides, haven't you learned that Bob Stoops can't win big games anymore, so Pyrrhic victory for BSU at best. and having seen Dan Hawkins and some of his Boise staff up close, those guys were in over their head in a BCS conference. CU has 4 guys drafted last week and couldn't even win 40% of their conference games.

Texas is the best team in the Big XII that year, but get some fluky injuries and lose a fluky one to KSU...to put OU in the championship game against Bill Callahan. that OU team was certainly the weakest Big XII Champion since maybe the Colorado team that got assraped by a very good Oregon team and Joey "Piano Man" Harrington.

[Felix]

not really. i'm not a "team didn't care" sort of guy, so i don't concede #2 or #3. #4 is OU had a converted WR playing QB. #5, anyone with a month to watch tape was going to see that OU was masking DB shortcomings with the blitz. Venables gets trashed a lot on OU boards, but he did it with smoke and mirrors that season. but, a month to watch tape...and it was obvious. besides, haven't you learned that Bob Stoops can't win big games anymore, so Pyrrhic victory for BSU at best. and having seen Dan Hawkins and some of his Boise staff up close, those guys were in over their head in a BCS conference. CU has 4 guys drafted last week and couldn't even win 40% of their conference games.

Texas is the best team in the Big XII that year, but get some fluky injuries and lose a fluky one to KSU...to put OU in the championship game against Bill Callahan. that OU team was certainly the weakest Big XII Champion since maybe the Colorado team that got assraped by a very good Oregon team and Joey "Piano Man" Harrington.

okay, so lets review
1. the QB really wasn't a QB
2. Stoops can't win when it counts
3. Boise State had too long to prepare for OU
4. OU was ill fitted to be the Big XII champion that year
4. You don't like Dan Hawkins

btw, Hawkins wasn't the coach when BSU beat Oklahoma

[Felix]

I think he was, though, when Georgia beat them into the ground. :wink:

the season opener for BSU is playing Georgia in Atlanta, so we'll see if BSU has improved any since their first encounter

[SoCalTrjn]

Why doesn't georgia have the balls to play in Boise? This is 2 games in georgia and none in Boise. Of the 2 teams, Boise has 2 BCS Bowl wins, how many does georgia have?

[Felix]

Why doesn't georgia have the balls to play in Boise? This is 2 games in georgia and none in Boise. Of the 2 teams, Boise has 2 BCS Bowl wins, how many does georgia have?

BSU has no illusions about luring high profile programs to Boise-we have a 34,000+- seat stadium....we can't offer the kind of bank Georgia can get going to a larger venue

plain and simple that's the business side of college football

[indyfrisco]

Why doesn't georgia have the balls to play in Boise?

They saw what happened to Lynard Skynard.

[Felix]

Georgia is doing BSU a favor...big payday, more exposure, not playing on a blue field...all kinds of advantages to playing down here.

they may be doing BSU a solid, but they sure ain't helping themselves much....how will the bulldogs live down the humiliation of losing to Boise State

[Carson]

Georgia will just accuse BSU of cheap shots.

[Felix]

they may be doing BSU a solid, but they sure ain't helping themselves much....how will the bulldogs live down the humiliation of losing to Boise State

I think Georgia, even though they're not expected to be much this year, will do just fine against the Broncos.

of course you do...you're an SEC bsh, I'd expect nothing less from you :D

Boise State lost a couple of key guys in Titus Young and Austin Pettis...young was the speed, pettis was the controlled receiver...big hit at wide receiver, but as long as Kellen is back there chucking it, georgia should be worried...very worried

[Dinsdale]

Georgia will just accuse BSU of cheap shots.

And they'll be correct.

A bigger bunch of cheap-shotting knee-hunters won't be found anywhere.

When they came to Eugene (a game I went to), they had multiple players ejected for all the cheap shots.

Derron Thomas lost a year of eligibility after the Cheapos knee-hunted (sometimes after the whistle) the entire depth chart at QB -- one of the most appalling displays of a lack of sportsmanship I've ever seen.

Nothing will ever convince me the coach wasn't complicit in it either -- made all the more pathetic, since he's a Duck.

[Felix]

And they'll be correct.

:D

A bigger bunch of cheap-shotting knee-hunters won't be found anywhere.

When they came to Eugene (a game I went to), they had multiple players ejected for all the cheap shots.

wahhhhh, they hit us and some of our guys got hurt....wahhhh

there was one guy tossed from the oregon game for the hit on the QB....stop making shit up

[King Crimson]

2. Stoops can't win when it counts

you kind of whiffing the sarcasm with your zealotry.

i had no idea Dan Hawkins wasn't the coach at BSU. jeez, i really thought he was. seeing as how i live in Boulder, CO...that's mos def something i would think.

jesus, i didn't even play the 5th year seniors against a FR O line.....

and, seriously, OU did with smoke and mirrors that year......a month to watch tape of OU blitzing from everywhere to cover up bad db play is not something Peterson is going to miss. i don't care if it's Peterson or Woody Hayes. OU was a 7 point fave, this was not Hickory Indiana and Norman Dale stuff. a legit top 15 team beat another sometimes top 15 team. if you want to take it personally i point that out, i can't control that.

you did not beat a great OU team, no matter how much you or the post-game media framing of the game wants to believe it. it was spectacular and everyone on planet earth except OU fan wanted you to win. moment in the sun, david-golaith. but, you guys are a lousy fan base. i've seen you guys in person. new cash, talking a lot of shit. enjoy it....but you are closer to Pat Hill's early Fresno teams right now than Alabama or Ohio State. you guys outspend everyone in the former conference by a lot....far be it from OU fan to get on a program for alleged cheating.....you guys are doing it in your AD, take it like a man. let's see where you are in a decade. Boise's academic profile is likely to keep it out of any real conference in the super Pac future.

OU has won 4 NC's in my lifetime and played for it 5 other times. one game away maybe another half-dozen times. keep it in your pants, BSU, when i say you beat an OU team that was exceptional only insofar as it overachieved, not one of the all-timers. not even 2nd tier...were it not for Paul Thompson coming back to QB from WR and Peterson being out most of the year with injury. Texas was the best team in the Big XII that year (evidenced by their win over OU)....but they get some fluky injuries and lose to K State. and Fran at ATM goes brain-dead in a game he should win against OU in the late 4th Q at Kyle. even Bill Callahan had OU on the ropes in the Big XII Championship game for the first half.

sure, i personally think Dan Hawkins is one of the lamest people around. that he failed so spectacularly really didn't surprise me much...after meeting him and hearing him speak a couple times. no one is like this. drum circles and zen bullshit. and his blog on the CU AD site was amazing nonsense, before he lost 10 games his first year. he told the fans about this guy named Van Morrison, who was really soulful. no one had ever heard of Van Morrison among the CU fanbase, I'm sure. quotes from Mandela, great stuff.

if you guys are for real with Saint Kellen, you should go into Samford and beat UGA. they were mediocre last year....and lose their best player to the draft. Richt was shopping around last year to get off the hot seat. 4 quarters in the GA heat is gonna be tough against a BSH SEC team.

[Felix]

you kind of whiffing the sarcasm with your zealotry.

zealotry? you're the one that said Stoops can't win the big one not me

i had no idea Dan Hawkins wasn't the coach at BSU. jeez, i really thought he was. seeing as how i live in Boulder, CO...that's mos def something i would think.

petersen has always been the main offense guy...under Koetter when they first started winning, and under hawkins, when they first started becoming prominent....hawkins was a figure head and not much else

and, seriously, OU did with smoke and mirrors that year......a month to watch tape of OU blitzing from everywhere to cover up bad db play is not something Peterson is going to miss. i don't care if it's Peterson or Woody Hayes. OU was a 7 point fave, this was not Hickory Indiana and Norman Dale stuff. a legit top 15 team beat another sometimes top 15 team. if you want to take it personally i point that out, i can't control that.

I remember distinctly a rather lengthy thread wherein I was being told by almost everybody that Oklahoma was going to kick boise states ass...I simply said that those of that opinion were seriously underestimating boise state's team.......after winning, OU fans proceed to make excuses as to why boise state won....I think that's just a little disingenuous

you did not beat a great OU team, no matter how much you or the post-game media framing of the game wants to believe it.

I never said that OU was a great team that year

but, you guys are a lousy fan base. i've seen you guys in person. new cash, talking a lot of shit. enjoy it....but you are closer to Pat Hill's early Fresno teams right now than Alabama or Ohio State. you guys outspend everyone in the former conference by a lot....far be it from OU fan to get on a program for alleged cheating.....you guys are doing it in your AD, take it like a man. let's see where you are in a decade. Boise's academic profile is likely to keep it out of any real conference in the super Pac future.

and exactly where did you see this "lousy fan base"? Boise State doesn't have the history of an Alabama or Ohio State, and certainly doesn't have the financial resources of legacy universities like those you've mentioned.....they've accomplished what they have on a shoestring budget compared with schools like Oklahoma and Texas...fuck, those schools probably spend more on their training table meals than Boise State budgets for the football team....but why all the vitriol? I kind of get the impression you want Boise State to fail, and to me that makes absolutely no sense-teams like Boise State are good for the college football landscape

OU has won 4 NC's in my lifetime and played for it 5 other times. one game away maybe another half-dozen times. keep it in your pants, BSU, when i say you beat an OU team that was exceptional only insofar as it overachieved, not one of the all-timers.

you keep repeating this shit and tell me who ever said that oklahoma that year was an exceptional team? I never said it and I don't know anybody that did.....

not even 2nd tier...were it not for Paul Thompson coming back to QB from WR and Peterson being out most of the year with injury. Texas was the best team in the Big XII that year (evidenced by their win over OU)....but they get some fluky injuries and lose to K State. and Fran at ATM goes brain-dead in a game he should win against OU in the late 4th Q at Kyle. even Bill Callahan had OU on the ropes in the Big XII Championship game for the first half.

okay, now your just continuing to make excuses for why Boise State won...can't you just let it go, it was 4 fucking years ago

sure, i personally think Dan Hawkins is one of the lamest people around. that he failed so spectacularly really didn't surprise me much...after meeting him and hearing him speak a couple times. no one is like this. drum circles and zen bullshit. and his blog on the CU AD site was amazing nonsense, before he lost 10 games his first year. he told the fans about this guy named Van Morrison, who was really soulful. no one had ever heard of Van Morrison among the CU fanbase, I'm sure. quotes from Mandela, great stuff.

like I said, Hawkins was all form without much substance....Petersen has always been the guy

if you guys are for real with Saint Kellen, you should go into Samford and beat UGA. they were mediocre last year....and lose their best player to the draft. Richt was shopping around last year to get off the hot seat. 4 quarters in the GA heat is gonna be tough against a BSH SEC team.

we lost some key people, but I have no doubt that Boise State will not fall on their face the way they did the first time around with Georgia.....but I like the way your already paving the way for a "Georgia just wasn't that good of a team" when Boise wins...

[King Crimson]

you kind of whiffing the sarcasm with your zealotry.

zealotry? you're the one that said Stoops can't win the big one not me

we're still at this. one can say things and not mean them. are you that literal minded? do you really think i believe that Bob Stoops can't win games?

and the reason i "can't let it go" is i'm tired of the media narrative that it was some kind of watershed moment for the "little guy" where the Sooners are made to be the tyrant of sports. some incredible juggernaut that could not be stopped, until tiny David's Bronco's stepped up. it wasn't that big an upset, at all. it was middle tier OU team. deal with it. it was not a huge symbolic moment for sport like 80 win over the Red Army Team.

[Felix]

we're still at this. one can say things and not mean them. are you that literal minded? do you really think i believe that Bob Stoops can't win games?

of course he can win games...but he's lost some important games, hence the whole "he can't win the big one"

some incredible juggernaut that could not be stopped, until tiny David's Bronco's stepped up. it wasn't that big an upset, at all. it was middle tier OU team. deal with it. it was not a huge symbolic moment for sport like 80 win over the Red Army Team.

it was a pretty big victory for the mid-level programs of the college football world....I know OU didn't have the greatest team that year, but they weren't as bad as you make them out to be.....it was a huge victory for Boise State in that it opened recruiting doors that they never would have gotten in were it not for that victory...it got then noticed, and definitely helped them get the games with Virgina Tech, Georgia, Michigan State.....personally, I think Boise State's win over TCU in the Fiesta Bowl was much more impressive than the win over Oklahoma...but the game against OU was really what put them on the map and erased the humiliation of that Georgia beatdown

[King Crimson]

i never said that OU team was bad. i really liked Paul Thompson and most OU fans love the kid. that team was great. the 99 yard drive against Neb in the Big XII is great stuff....but they lost to Texas, Oregon (bullshit: cue Dinsdale and his couldn't stop in the last 2 minutes Dixon blah blah and PI he never mentions to justify that abomination of officiating).

what i am saying is that when you have tradition like OU does, a win over a team like that is more symbolic than real. Boise fans who come to the OU Homer boards want to be treated like equals or flame away. and it's not deserved. in the long history, OU has lost to a lost of lesser teams, lost a lot of games to Texas, you take a different approach than bragging about how good how good Kellen is.

that OU team had no business winning the Big XII. MIssouri and ATM are pretty good that year...and OU beats them on the road minus Peterson....pounding the ball to Allen Patrick behind a bunch of FR on the OL.

[Felix]

Boise fans who come to the OU Homer boards want to be treated like equals or flame away.

wait a minute, you're judging Boise's fan base based on some ignorant fucking twats posting on an OU fan board?

seriously, the vast majority of Boise fans (especially me) have the utmost respect for programs like OU.....if some got a little caught up in BCS frenzy you have to remember, a lot of BSU fans couldn't "act like they'd been there" because we had never been there....

simply because OU lost a game to BSU doesn't do anything to diminish the legacy that is OU football

[King Crimson]

Boise fans who come to the OU Homer boards want to be treated like equals or flame away.

wait a minute, you're judging Boise's fan base based on some ignorant fucking twats posting on an OU fan board?

seriously, the vast majority of Boise fans (especially me) have the utmost respect for programs like OU.....if some got a little caught up in BCS frenzy you have to remember, a lot of BSU fans couldn't "act like they'd been there" because we had never been there....

simply because OU lost a game to BSU doesn't do anything to diminish the legacy that is OU football

that's kind of thing isn't it? your whole claim to fame...is based on OU being good...but, you have a lot morons and a bowl game i attended wearing an OU visor....that i get shouted down. i get that from Okie State or Texas we call it history...but this was mean-spirited nonsense. you post here so good, but i do not have a favorable impression of the BSU fanbase.

[Felix]

that's kind of thing isn't it? your whole claim to fame...is based on OU being good...

look, BSU's first shot at the really big time was against OU at that Fiesta Bowl, but the program has had a few more relatively significant victories, so we don't dwell on it...it was a great game that we happened to come out on top of...that's it

but, you have a lot morons and a bowl game i attended wearing an OU visor....that i get shouted down.

well that's just fucking stupid and you shouldn't hold all BSU fans responsible for some flaky wanna-be's being morons....I and any number of long time season ticket holders have had to tell alot of these types of idiots to shut the fuck up before....but Boise State is not the only school guilty of some of their "fans" (and I use that term lightly) acting like a bunch of assholes...sorry you had to run into those types, but believe me they are not representative of the majority of bsu fans

[King Crimson]

felix, we're good. i had bug up my ass about this last couple days. i do think the media narrative about the game is way overblown....but, i should take it and move on. one of the things about being good is that losing sucks and means more. sticks with you. you are coming to learn that i bet.

and i do think Dan Hawkins is a clown. and i kind of thought so since he arrived at CU....much to the "you were right" displeasure of my CU peeps. it was pretty obvious the guy was hot air and BS. there's a youtube of his post Toledo (epic beatdown of Colorado on national TV) presser where he brags about not teaching tackling at Boise. it's bizarre. i heard his radio show here locally where he basically argued that since he was losing games, he was a good coach. the guy is on anti-depressants or something. not all even plausible his attitude toward the CU fans (which is a respectable program....top 25 all-time wins...not like they don't know shit football when they see it). the only guy who acted more like he invented football is maybe Bill Callahan.

he's also been lately giving interviews where he "doesn't answer" questions like "did you get a fair chance at Colorado". he got a complete year he didn't deserve because CU couldn't afford to fire him. he tries to give the impression that he's taking the high road, but by implication he's damning with faint praise. he's a dickhead. the guy blew a 30 point lead in the 4th quarter to a 3 or 4 win Kansas team.

[Dinsdale]

My dealings with the BSU fans in Eugene were nothing but pleasant.

[Killian]

Georgia will just accuse BSU of cheap shots.

And they'll be correct.

A bigger bunch of cheap-shotting knee-hunters won't be found anywhere.

Navy would like a word with you:

[Felix]

one of the things about being good is that losing sucks and means more. sticks with you. you are coming to learn that i bet.

that Nevada loss last year hurt alot, so yeah, I know what you mean

and i do think Dan Hawkins is a clown.

Hawkins is a fucking joke.......when he was here, anybody that knew anything about the program knew it was Petersen that was the key.....Hawkins was good for sound bites and not much else....how he ever got that CU job is beyond me, but I knew he was going to be a colossal failure......

i heard his radio show here locally where he basically argued that since he was losing games, he was a good coach.

:D If losing games is indicative of a good coach, then based on his record at CU, he's a fucking shoe in for the hall of shame....er fame

[King Crimson]

Hawkins is a fucking joke.......when he was here, anybody that knew anything about the program knew it was Petersen that was the key.....Hawkins was good for sound bites and not much else....how he ever got that CU job is beyond me, but I knew he was going to be a colossal failure......

CU's situation was weird that year. they were coming off the Barnett thing which got the CU president and some other admins canned....and were one of very few (if not the only) BCS school hiring. so, unlike some years where the coaching carousel is most def hierarchical....CU had their choice. Hawkins was going to get a real job somewhere based on keeping Koetter's thing alive at Boise by winning 10 games....turned out he came in talking about himself in the 3rd person and wowed them. current coach Embree also interviewed that year.

but, the word that gets thrown around here re: the AD Mike Bohn is "due diligence". The guy had never been a coordinator and was the TE coach. I think was also speculation that Peterson would come as well...because there were a lot of red flags in hindsight. i'll just tell you that Dan's CU Year 1 (2-10 W-L, with two NFL players on D): All Access Show....was some of the most surreal TV ever. Dan talking about Van Morrison or the Buddha, these unbearable halftime and pregame speeches, uncut, players are staring at their shoes or the ceiling completely not paying attention while Dan rhapsodies on about "being in the crucible" or "slaying dragons"....and so much more. eggtoss after practice, fun games on a Sunday after a loss the day before, Dan talking about "life" and all the "motivation psychology" articles he reads (which is apparently an academic discipline, but not one i've ever heard of, and somewhere there's a video of the team looking very uncomfortable at a corporate-cum-new age drum circle team-building seminar.

and since i rode by the practice fields on my way to CU 2-4 times a day during his tenure, it seemed like they were in shorts and shoulder pads 2/3 practices...i realize post-WCO and Shanahan etc. that it was trendy to hit less in practice and work on execution.....but, they never hit. and people wondered why they were soft.

[Felix]

mike bohn is a fucking joke too,,,,that idiot was the ad at idaho and spent the majority of his time sending out resumes (not that i can blame him, university of idaho is where people typically go to die)
figure it would be somebody like cu that would hire that fucking gene splice

[King Crimson]

mike bohn is a fucking joke too,,,,that idiot was the ad at idaho and spent the majority of his time sending out resumes (not that i can blame him, university of idaho is where people typically go to die)
figure it would be somebody like cu that would hire that fucking gene splice

Bohn is a PR toady. he's all marketing. his history of coaching hires has been outright terrible (so maybe Hawk wasn't such a mindbender). he's righted the ship with CU fans by 1. the serendipitous Pac 10 move when CU's men's revenue sports were at their worst combined since the late 70's....kind of fell into his lap and CU peeps have been dreaming about the Pac for decades. 2. getting lucky so far with the Tad Boyle hoops hire (i like Boyle but he's coached one year and was 40 miles away at U of Northern Colorado (budget hire) and 3. cozying up to the old-timey McCartney boosters by hiring Jon Embree this time when the CU job wasn't getting much top level interest....which got them off his back for the colossal Hawkins failure by casting his fate with their desperate need for nostalgia and Bill Mac idol worship....instead of being the "guy who hired Hawkins". pretty shrewd move because he was on his last legs and this sort of saves his job, but remains to be seen how it will play out.

I thought the Embree hire was a joke. More nostalgia gone mad that even the John Blake hire. no other school in the US was interested in the guy (TE coach for the Skins)....and he got jumped at UCLA for the OC job under his buddy (!) Karl Dorrell. but, he's saying all the right things and put together a solid staff. they have a nice jump on recruiting as well....signing a 4* QB out of Cali and actually finished off last year's class respectably. so, who knows?