Sweatervest Quits

[buckeye_in_sc]

Felix...what did it offer? Sales back to 2003? WOW...it wasn't an NCAA Violation until 2007...ever think of that? Rigging a stupid lottery in the 80's? Like Earle probably didn't tell him to rig it? Seriously where is this massive story that was going to blow it up? Ray Issacs? Seriously? that was it?

Look as I have stated...OSU deserves whatever punishment they get...but that SI article...what a pile of shit...and here is a factoid...two players mentioned...John Simon and Storm Klein...Klein has NO TATTOOs...and Simon got his IN YOUNGSTOWN with his father...care to help me figure that piece out?



Again I ain't going to toejam this forum up and be all whiny...if we cheat or whatever and get caught...sorry guys you pay the price...end of story...


and here is some research for you...9 UGA players sold SEC rings in 2003...they were suspended and re-instated...why? Because at that time if you got fair market value it was ok per NCAA rules...go look it up

[Go Coogs']

The NCAA is a fucking joke.

It's a billion dollar industry trying to protect and enhance their bottom line, like any other billion dollar industry.

I'd agree with you if the NCAA wasn't in charge of sanctioning, oversight, and compliance.

People who represent the NCAA (most likely lawyers) wrote the guidelines and also wrote what punishment that would be brought down on those schools for stepping outside of those guidelines. It's their job to enforce the rules and make sure the internal compliance departments at the schools are well aware of the rules as well.

Their number one job is to make sure there is a level playing ground. If its about the money for them, then I invite congress to bring these fucks down.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

And this isn't just an OSU issue. I remember seeing Plaxico Burress and Sedrick Irvine riding around in cars that were $50K each. Doesn't someone in these offices raise their eyebrows just slightly when TJ Duckett comes in to register a brand new Escalade?

Hey, it was the Nick Saban era, what do you expect?

[Screw_Michigan]

Sedrick Irvine riding around in cars that were $50K each

Hell of an investment right there.

[Goober McTuber]

If I were the interim coach, Pryor would never take another snap.

If you were the interim coach, you might not even have a say in the matter.

[Felix]

Felix...what did it offer?

What it demonstrated to me is that Tressel is a fucking asshat. The whole “integrity first” persona he’s crafted for himself (with the help of the PR dept at tOSU) is a fucking sham-and I knew that the minute he allowed Pryor and and company to take the field in the Sugar Bowl. A coach with integrity would have suspended them the minute he found out they’d violated NCAA rules, not swept it under the carpet in the hopes that nobody would find out-and that’s exactly what he did. Look, I recognize the fact that we’re talking about 19-21 year old kids and I know that kids that age make stupid mistakes-I did, and everybody else here did too. I don’t blame Tressel for that, because it was largely out of his control. But not reporting it-that’s entirely on him.....and really, are you going to go with the “Earle probably told him to rig it” defense? Where is that in the “integrity” playbook? that’s an excuse I’d expect from an 8 year old kid who got caught stealing candy

and here is some research for you...9 UGA players sold SEC rings in 2003...they were suspended and re-instated...why? Because at that time if you got fair market value it was ok per NCAA rules...go look it up

again, I’m not blaming Tressel for the behavior of the players….as I said he can’t control what the players do…he can preach and preach to them, but they can’t be watched 24 hours a day….but I blame him entirely for his actions after he discovered the NCAA infractions....

that’s why he’s looking for a new job

[buckeye_in_sc]

Felix...gotcha now...mis-intrepeted what you really were going after...

Ok I still stand by my comment of nothing substantial in terms of all this rogue behavior the media kept spewing...yes in and of itself he was an idiot for doing that...a 5 second mash of the forward button to compliance and this is all over with...I agree...trust me...and yes 19-21 year old kids do make stupid mistakes...but my problem with these is they are REPEATED by the same 19-21 year olds...I mean at some point you have got to wake up and say damn this ain't right...but I do agree...he made the bed...he sleeps in it

plus one of the hacks on the radio actually brought up a good point...had this been nipped in 2009 they miss Marshall, Miami of FLA, Ohio U and EMU...wow killer...but they would have known and would have been able to game plan around Miami of FLA...it was a fucking home game...if you couldn't think of a way to beat them without pryor (the most important cog) then so be it...

[Felix]

had this been nipped in 2009 they miss Marshall, Miami of FLA, Ohio U and EMU...wow killer...but they would have known and would have been able to game plan around Miami of FLA...it was a fucking home game...if you couldn't think of a way to beat them without pryor (the most important cog) then so be it...

exactly...and Tressel would still have a job....had he reported it, I would have absoutely no problem with Tressel and would have had no problem with Pryor and company competing in last years Sugar Bowl...

as we all know, kids are prone to doing stupid things and believing they can get away with it....in todays world, a star athlete can't go to a party with their friends without the fear of being photographed in a comprimising position ('sup Micheal Phelps)

so who do you want as the next head coach and who do you think they'll hire for the position?

[Go Coogs']

a 5 second mash of the forward button to compliance and this is all over with...

Here in lies the problem. Basically, you have one guy between the questionable behavior and the internal compliance department. Is this the case everywhere? I don't care how much clout you have because of a national championship, "x" number of 10 win seasons, a winning record against your top rival, or how many times you bring in a top 10 recruiting class. The compliance department shouldn't be waiting on word from this one guy just because of his resume and Christian ways. They should be monitoring emails, following players around, and other ongoing due diligence.

This IS lack of institutional control by Tressel, Gene Smith, and the one running the compliance office. Everyone within Ohio State's puzzle palace had to know Tressel had baggage at Youngstown St., yet they still gave this guy all the power. Unacceptable.

[buckeye_in_sc]

Felix...not sure...

I mean I think they are going to wait which is CATEGORICALLY STUPID...I might hate USC with all my body...but they went and got Lane with sanctions looming...I think if they made a play at Urban he would take the job...heck if they gave them a post season ban for a year or something who cares really...going to take a coach at least 2 years to get recruits coming through...but I think they went the UBER safe route with Luke...

I would guess

Les Miles (just to get JSC's panties in a wad)
Bo Pelini
Urban


in all honesty if I were hiring the guy...I'd take a drive to Northwestern and suck the hair off Pat Fitzgerald's balls...I mean can you imagine what that cat could do with the BRAND and name of OSU or insert any other major university...wow...

[Killian]

Don’t mean to burst your bubble, but Meyer isn’t going anywhere near that job until the NCAA is done with OSU. Meyer fucking hates to lose, and if OSU gets hit with sanctions on par with what USC got or worse, OSU will be down for probably about a decade.

Maybe you guys could convince Lionel Tyrone to come out of retirement?

[Dinsdale]

Is this the case everywhere? I don't care how much clout you have because of a national championship, "x" number of 10 win seasons, a winning record against your top rival, or how many times you bring in a top 10 recruiting class. The compliance department shouldn't be waiting on word from this one guy just because of his resume.

Unfortunately, my rooting interest, the New Kid on the BTPCFB Block, seems to be coming down with a case of this.Rose Bowl in Year 1, BCS Championship in year 2... my observation is that fan/institutional myopia seems to spread quickly... it's been 2 seasons under Chip (although he inherited Bellotti's discipline problems.... rumor has it he's much more of a disciplinarian than Bellotti... Bellotti just got the Euene/Lane County cops to turn a blind eye (sup Achilli Smith, the Drunken Terror of Eugene), a trend that's sharply reversed of late... now they're singled out)...

I can only imagine the institutional myopia of blue-chip programs like OU, tOSU, UT, etc. It's like a disease. Duckfan will get over it, but it's rampant right now... Ducks can do no wrong right now. Then again, the Beavs never seem to give a shit about character issue, and no one bitches, as long as they win at least 6. But Corvallis is a different culture.

[M Club]

plus one of the hacks on the radio actually brought up a good point...had this been nipped in 2009 they miss Marshall, Miami of FLA, Ohio U and EMU...wow killer...but they would have known and would have been able to game plan around Miami of FLA...it was a fucking home game...if you couldn't think of a way to beat them without pryor (the most important cog) then so be it...

great point. all suspending would have done is sweep the mess under the rug and let tressel continue his holier than thou act all the longer. you act like this was limited to just those five, or that this was out of character for tressel.

[buckeye_in_sc]

uh sure...


the point...you e-mail compliance they look what more do you want? Just for shits and giggles...how many e-mails/phone calls a day you think coaches get about players? 20? 30? Are they supposed to drop everything and investigate everything? I mean Brady Joke is probably getting calls right now about Michigan players...you think he is knocking on doors?

Swept it under the rug? How so...please tell me you know the inner workings of all things compliance...look he made his bed...he sleeps in it...we get whatever punishment is due...but to sit here and say that I am acting like it was only those 5? Link me up to where I said that and I'll stand corrected...

my point...forward the e-mail...or e-mails...investigate...for all we know he had the 5 or so players in his office and asked them and they said no...they should have just said their parents sold it right?

And what do you suppose the NCAA will do about 3 or 4 of the kids implicated in the SI article who either A) Don't have a noticeable tattoo Klein, B) got their Tats in Youngstown - Simon, C) have their awards Jermale Hines....tell me what should be done for those kids who got their name dragged through the mud with some shoddy heresay from some lady who lived above the tattoo shop...

I don't know JT personally...I can only go on anecdotal evidence and I know coaches shouldn't punch other coaches while they are down...but every coach has said the guy is good in his core...he did something astronomically stupid...we all agree...meh...forget it...not worth it anymore...it is funny that you Michigan fans act like you won something...the sad part is you won't be able to pay him back on the field...he leaves owning your asses and that's all that matters...

[M Club]

the point...you e-mail compliance they look what more do you want? Just for shits and giggles...how many e-mails/phone calls a day you think coaches get about players? 20? 30? Are they supposed to drop everything and investigate everything? I mean Brady Joke is probably getting calls right now about Michigan players...you think he is knocking on doors?

just for shits and giggles why don't we ask how many emails/calls brady hoke gets every day (or, feces and hahas and all, every year) from a former player cum friend of the program telling him his players are heavily involved with a dude about to get it from the feds for drugs and other shit? i'll go with...zero.

was important enough that tressel emailed pryor's handler, though.

Swept it under the rug? How so...please tell me you know the inner workings of all things compliance...look he made his bed...he sleeps in it...we get whatever punishment is due...but to sit here and say that I am acting like it was only those 5? Link me up to where I said that and I'll stand corrected...

you're the one who was just parroting some radio hack about had they just handled this last year they would have missed four games and everything would be golden right now. that conveniently ignores the all the others who were benefiting from the cars and tattoos. ja, keep bringing up some dude who got a tattoo in youngstown (probably discounted) and the rest of the sane universe will bring up the ray smalls and antonio pittmans and other "cats [who've] been getting hookups on tats since back in ’01." you know, 01 aka tressel's first year.

my point...forward the e-mail...or e-mails...investigate...for all we know he had the 5 or so players in his office and asked them and they said no...they should have just said their parents sold it right?

the only difference between you and toejam is your occasional "he made his bed" caveats that are nothing more than line breaks in between the same excuses he makes for usc. i'll just go ahead and grant you that he sat them down and they lied to his face. so now you're tressel: on one hand you have your players' word; on the other you have information from the feds that completely contradicts them. uh, okay, players said no: good enough for me.

I don't know JT personally...I can only go on anecdotal evidence and I know coaches shouldn't punch other coaches while they are down...but every coach has said the guy is good in his core...he did something astronomically stupid...we all agree...meh...forget it...not worth it anymore

ja, good to his core. you mean when no one was looking and he had no one's guidance but his own deep convictions and he tried to cover it up. i'm sure this was the first time. right, maurice? ray? cause he's not on the record lying about anything else either, is he?

...it is funny that you Michigan fans act like you won something...the sad part is you won't be able to pay him back on the field...he leaves owning your asses and that's all that matters...

i guess so. it's also pretty funny you osu fans can't connect the dots between cheating and winning. otherwise, i'd say we won something considering we still have our integrity in tact.

[buckeye_in_sc]

ok that was rather enlightning...i mean you being of the highest moral fiber and all...

i guess you got me...awesome...

[M Club]

i mean you being of the highest moral fiber and all...

care to explain?

your team cheated and you're turning into toejam.

[buckeye_in_sc]

uh sure...like I said you got me...


I have said over and over...we get what we deserve...period...

[indyfrisco]

Let's see if this gets legs...

http://www.fearlessfriday.com/yabbse/in ... c=113249.0

[indyfrisco]

I have not seen a credible source on this. Most of the rumors I found on the subject were referring to the Sugar Bowl game where OSU loses the second half 16-3 and do not cover the spread. And since I'm not a journalist, I don't mind discussing rumors without concrete evidence. Like I said, we'll see if anything comes of this.

[Goober McTuber]

I have not seen a credible source on this. Most of the rumors I found on the subject were referring to the Sugar Bowl game where OSU loses the second half 16-3 and do not cover the spread.

Isn't that Tressel's M.O.? Get a lead, then go into a shell?

[Killian]

The Ohio State University compliance department has tried for years and years to keep the "supporters" and hangers on from getting too close to the athletes. The have more staff than most other college programs, and they self-report every violation that they are made aware of. I will be shocked and disappointed if the compliance department at tOSU is found to be complicit in any of this. And if it turns out there were people in the know who did nothing about it, then The Ohio State University deserves to get hammered at least as hard as U$C.

Not saying they are complicit of this, but this is up the ally of what we were talking about:

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An audit of Ohio State University's compliance department in November found that it was not doing enough to monitor the use of cars, uniforms and equipment by athletes.

A month later, OSU suspended six football players for violating NCAA rules by trading or selling memorabilia for tattoos. And in March, coach Jim Tressel admitted to a serious NCAA violation of his own by not reporting that he knew about the player violations. He resigned on Monday.

Now, OSU President E. Gordon Gee says university officials are "taking a look at our failures" in the compliance department. Gee said he wants Ohio State to set the standard for how a compliance department should operate.

"We have an opportunity through this process not to hunker down, not to get into a bunker, but to set very high standards. And that's precisely what we're doing," Gee said Wednesday. "We'll take a look at if we have the best compliance system in the country. That will be our goal."

Once heralded as the gold standard in big-time college athletics, OSU's compliance department now is under scrutiny like never before.

The OSU auditors wrote in November that the department needed to pay more attention to athletes' cars, particularly those driven by football players, and needed more control over the inventory of uniforms and equipment.

Both deficiencies now have come back to haunt Ohio State officials.

Athletic director Gene Smith said in an emailed statement today that "(at) Ohio State, we actively examine our compliance program on an ongoing basis. That includes evaluating our monitoring systems to ensure they are the best they can be."

Compliance director Doug Archie has defended his department frequently in recent interviews with The Dispatch.

"As with any monitoring system, we are continually refining and improving our program. We set the bar high and then look for ways to raise it even higher," Archie has said. "When we benchmark ourselves, we do more than most."

OSU's compliance department is expanding to eight full-time positions from six to monitor OSU's 1,100 athletes. Archie said he requested the two new positions before Christmas to keep pace with other major athletic departments. They have not yet been filled.

Internal auditors wrote in April that increased scrutiny of equipment and the department's plans for a beefed-up car-registration database, more frequent cross-checks of other campus car-registration databases and increased NCAA-rules education for football and men's basketball players would meet their standards.

Problems within the football program surfaced in December, when the U.S. Department of Justice notified OSU that it had recovered autographed jerseys, pants, cleats, gloves, helmets and game footballs, among other things, during a raid of a suspected drug dealer and tattoo-parlor owner. The six football players later admitted that they broke NCAA rules.

NCAA rules prohibit athletes from keeping their uniforms until their college careers are completed, according to the audit report. However, they can purchase equipment at the fair-market value under certain circumstances. It's unknown whether any of the equipment seized during the raid had been purchased by the football players.

In May, The Dispatch found that:

At least eight athletes and 11 relatives of athletes had purchased vehicles from the same salesman in the past five years. The salesman then confirmed to The Dispatch that he had sold nearly 50 vehicles to OSU athletes or their family members in recent years. OSU compliance officials said they would investigate and later said they would wait for investigators from the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles to finish examining the role of the dealers in the sales.

At least nine players had been issued traffic citations in Franklin County while driving vehicles with dealer license plates. OSU compliance officials said the majority of those players purchased used cars and were given a dealer license plate while waiting for the new registrations. Archie said "you would have to ask the dealers" as to why the players' cars had hard license plates as opposed to the cardboard temporary tags that typically are issued.

The NCAA is investigating quarterback Terrelle Pryor's ties to at least six different cars.

Archie has defended the way his department monitors athletes' cars even though officials don't check for traffic tickets off campus, don't follow up on campus car-registration forms that are often incomplete or inaccurate, and only spot-check car values.

He also said there is no extra scrutiny of star athletes who may be targets of rogue boosters or fans. "We treat all of our student athletes the same," he has said.

In 2005, former OSU president Karen Holbrook tapped then-outgoing athletic director Andy Geiger to overhaul the compliance department after problems with boosters and academic tutors. As a result, the compliance director was reassigned to other duties and Doug Archie was hired to take over in 2006.

Archie has been praised by his supervisor for running a tight ship. He received the highest rating - exceeds expectations - during his most recent performance review.

"Compliance in central Ohio is a bear, but Doug has done a very good job managing the beast," senior associate athletic director Miechelle Willis wrote last July.

In a 2009 job evaluation, Willis wrote that Archie knows "what it takes to keep our program out of jail."

Under Archie's watch, Ohio State has reported more NCAA violations than any other Division I school, in part because OSU has more athletes and sports than any other school, but also because of Archie's mandate that even the most minor misdeed will be reported.

"We have high ethics here, and we want the coaches to think of self-reporting as good and healthy," Archie told The Dispatch in 2009.

The NCAA requires schools to audit their compliance departments every four years. Ohio State, however, has done an audit annually since at least 2005, each year looking at different compliance areas.

In 2006, the auditors' review of athletes' car registration forms found that they were incomplete and sometimes inconsistent with the car registry maintained by University Transportation and Parking. Compliance officials vowed to correct the problem.

But last year, the auditors reviewed car registrations of 152 athletes and observed vehicles driven by football players to spring practice. Auditors found that 44 athletes bought parking permits for, received parking tickets in, or were seen driving cars that weren't registered.

Records obtained in May show that football players continue to submit incomplete forms, lacking sales prices, dates of purchases, co-signers and other required information.

Dispatch reporter Encarnacion Pyle contributed to this story.

[indyfrisco]

Job posted on May 13...

http://ncaamarket.ncaa.org/jobs/4253209 ... compliance

Job Summary
Associate Director, Compliance
Job Code: 357070 POSTED: May 13
Salary: 50,000.00 - 55,000.00 Location: Columbus, Ohio
Employer: Ohio State University Type: Full Time - Experienced
Category: Compliance Preferred Education: Masters








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Job Description
The Associate Director of Compliance serves as a member of the compliance team that is committed to excellence and advancing the Department of Athletics through its strategic plan. This position reports to the Associate Athletics Director and Assistant Athletics Director for Compliance, and works in conjunction with the compliance staff to implement NCAA, Big Ten and The Ohio State University regulations. Duties include, but are not limited to providing interpretative assistance to coaches, administrators, student-athletes and representatives of the university. Develops and facilitates rules-education curriculum to provide effective updates on relevant legislation for administrators, student-athletes and representatives of the university. Provides direction and oversight for the Compliance Intern program. Assists in coordinating all facets of the student-athlete reinstatement and self-reporting process. Assists in the preparation and organization of required NCAA and Big Ten Conference forms and reports; assists with monitoring efforts in the areas of recruiting activities, student-athlete employment, initial and continuing eligibility, financial aid, and playing season regulations. Performs other related duties as assigned. This position works in a fast-paced creative and collaborative team environment where change is embraced and innovation is encouraged.
The deadline for applications is Sunday, May 29, 2011. All interested candidates must complete an on line application for position requisition 357070 at jobs.osu.edu. To build a diverse workforce, Ohio State encourages applications from individuals with disabilities, minorities, veterans and women. EEO/AA employer.





Requirements
Considerable experience in a compliance setting at an institutional, conference or national association level is required. Experience with NCAA Compliance Assistant internet is required. Well-developed written and oral communication skills and strong analytical skills are required. Ability to work with confidential information in a high pressure environment is required.
Position may require a criminal background check.

[buckeye_in_sc]

Saw that report this morning...very interesting indeed...

If they constantly review and refine...then something is broken/disconnected...as has been pointed out they report the secondary infractions at an amazing clip...


here is a serious question...outside of the cars...does a player getting say a meal, tattoo, or a discount (on say clothing) really bother most people? I am just asking...not trying to say that isn't a violation or what not...but I can walk into say Best Buy and get a discount...as can a football player...where it comes in is if the general public can't get that same deal...so if Peyton Manning goes back to UT and works with the football team if I am a regular Joe student I can't get that same benefit...

now my point is the ambiguity in some cases of these rules...I say move to the black/white of like the BYU code...you break rule A this is the punishment...simplify and make the penealites stiffer...PERIOD

[Killian]

Job posted on May 13...

http://ncaamarket.ncaa.org/jobs/4253209 ... compliance

Job Summary
Associate Director, Compliance
Job Code: 357070 POSTED: May 13
Salary: 50,000.00 - 55,000.00 Location: Columbus, Ohio
Employer: Ohio State University Type: Full Time - Experienced
Category: Compliance Preferred Education: Masters

"So, Johnny, your full time job will be to monitor OSU athletics and determine if we are in violation of NCAA rules. To do this, we would prefer you have your masters degree. For this, we are willing to pay you up to $55k. So, what do you think?"

Maybe it's me, but that figure seems very low for the type of job this is and the amount of time it would entail. Factoring in TVM, the person who takes this job would probably make more money bagging groceries.

[indyfrisco]

Maybe it's me, but that figure seems very low for the type of job this is and the amount of time it would entail. Factoring in TVM, the person who takes this job would probably make more money bagging groceries.

Exactly.

tO$U wants to say "we have 8 staffed compliance officers" so they can say they are doing their best. Problem is if they aren't paying them shit, they won't get quality work. 55k is starting money for a bachelors degree.

[Killian]

And wouldn't you want your compliance department to be staffed with people who have their JD's, not masters? Why not just take an add out on cragislist for babysitters, that's essentially what their job is.

[buckeye_in_sc]

Maybe we should hire some from Auburn and or the SEC...?

[Carson]

Auburn hired their compliance officer straight from the NCAA.

...and we're still getting accused of shit.

Somebody, somewhere, doesn't know what the fukk they're doing. I suspect it's the NCAA.

[Screw_Michigan]

"So, Johnny, your full time job will be to monitor OSU athletics and determine if we are in violation of NCAA rules. To do this, we would prefer you have your masters degree. For this, we are willing to pay you up to $55k. So, what do you think?"

Hell yeah that's a joke. You guys didn't have to think that over, did you?

[buckeye_in_sc]

Carson...I think you are on to something and that is the issue...

NCAA is the big joke in all this...but hey man...all I can do is see what's left of the carnage and put my support behind who is left

[King Crimson]

it's not at all uncommon for people who serve as "regulators" for govt agencies (things like the FCC, or FAA) to essentially serve as "trainees" for their future jobs working for the industry they at one time served as monitors in the public interest. it's called "capture theory". hiring a guy from the NCAA doesn't mean so much in that context. in fact, it's more the norm than it was when "capture theory" was kind of new and nifty in the post-war into the 60's pol theory (not hippies, just the 1960's). then, the sense of public interest and regulatory oversight were far more "robust" concepts than in today's post-late 70's and then Reagan era of "deregulation". it's kind of old fashion, even. what used to be seen as a sense of conflict of interest or compromise of principles is today seen as a natural course of events in one's career.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_capture

[Shoalzie]

I can't possibly hate Ohio State (and Tressel) anymore than I do right now.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6626390

Fuck you, you sweater-vested lying crook! I know The Vest is trolling MichiganFan but if Hoke wins only one game in his first year, it better be November 26.

[King Crimson]

I can't possibly hate Ohio State (and Tressel) anymore than I do right now.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6626390

Fuck you, you sweater-vested lying crook! I know The Vest is trolling MichiganFan but if Hoke wins only one game in his first year, it better be November 26.

he's not trolling anyone, it's classic PR type distraction technique that removes the real issue from the focus by charging up the emotions and eclipsing the sober and very real problems at hand.

Buckeye born and bred/dead is an old tOSU saying? never heard that before. it's actually an old Tar Heel saying from a defuct fight song from the leather helmet days....that OU lifted for the more public recognition of it as a "Sooner" saying.

[buckeye_in_sc]

JT in Shoalzie's DOME...Shoalzie = PWNED...

[SoCalTrjn]

the LA Times last week came out on a Cliffs Notes version on the USC case

Aside from the actual sanctions that the NCAA has placed on USC in the Reggie Bush case, the lingering problem is the misperception that still exists in the media and among college football fans in general.

One of reasons for this misperception is that many sportswriters and media analysts simply do not or will not read anything longer than a blog note. Some writers read about as many newspapers as Sarah Palin. So, it would be rather absurd to have expected them to pore over the voluminous material in the NCAA’s allegations against USC and the university’s subsequent appeal.

Since USC and public relations people have been rather negligent in explaining the infractions in simple layman’s terms, many misconceptions pervade even today.

So, for those who are still laboring under those misconceptions, here is the Cliffs Notes version.

* USC did not pay Reggie Bush to play football.
* USC did not give Bush’s family a home in exchange for their son playing football for the Trojans.
* USC did not buy Reggie Bush a car or give him money to purchase a car.
* No USC booster or patron ever gave Bush or his family any money or other financial benefits.
* Lloyd Lake, the person who provided a home for the Bush’s and a used car for Reggie Bush, was not a booster or even a fan of USC.
* Lloyd Lake was an ex-convict who had delusions of becoming a sports agent. When he left prison, he realized that a friend of his, Reggie Bush’s stepfather, LaMar Griffin, had a stepson, Reggie Bush, who was gaining fame playing college football.
* Lake provided Griffin a home as well as other benefits in return for his stepson, Reggie Bush, signing with Lake’s fledgling sports agency when he decided to play in the NFL.

Here are the actual NCAA allegations against USC:

* USC’s Compliance Department failed to check the incomplete registration form for Reggie Bush’s vehicle.
* USC’s Compliance Department and former head football coach, Pete Carroll, failed to check the living arrangements for Bush’s family in San Diego, some 130 miles from the Los Angeles campus.
* Former head coach Pete Carroll ran open practices, where the NCAA believed that sports agents and their staffers could have come in contact with the players although no such contacts were ever uncovered.
* Former Athletic Director Mike Garrett failed to increase an undermanned Compliance Department that had only two employees.
* The Athletic Department failed to properly investigate the alleged violations or cooperate fully with the NCAA’s investigators.
* An assistant football coach, Todd McNair, was accused by Lloyd Lake of having known about Lake’s arrangements with the Bush family.
* Todd McNair denied the accusation but the NCAA preferred to take the word of Lloyd Lake, an ex-convict.
* The above violations were lumped together with the O.J. Mayo recruitment violation, which USC self-sanctioned, and the case of a woman’s tennis player who used an athletics department long-distance access code to make 123 unauthorized international telephone calls to family members.
* By lumping all three cases together, the NCAA was able to hit USC with a Lack of Institutional Control (LOIC) violation.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/7188 ... me_oneline

After a 5 year investigation by the NCAA in to the USC football program that was all they uncovered.
All the comments on here and elsewhere about the open practices, not a single violation occurred but USC was still punished and forced to close practices to everyone
All the comments on here and elsewhere about USC's celebrity alumni and fans, not a single violation occured.
No USC boosters were ever tied to any violations.
USC did not benefit in any form or matter from Bush and his step fathers dealing with Lake or Michaels and Lake and Michaels involvement with Lamar Griffen would have happened regardless of what school Bush was playing at.


Ohio State had boosters involved
The head coach was aware of what was going on and then attempted to cover it up
Ohio States infractions involved more than 1 player
Also don't be so naive to think that it only involved the football program in C-Bus, if a car dealer is loaning and giving cars to athletes and tattoo parlors are hooking athletes up there are probably Ohio State basketball, baseball... whatever else players who have gone under the radar as their sports don't draw the attention OSU football does.

As a USC alumni and fan it is interesting to see the double standards employed by the NCAA, Cam Newton is investigated and ruled eligible in 24 hours, the basis of the eligibility is that Cam didnt know his dad was shopping him around for 200 grand, but after a 5 year investigation 85 players who didnt know what Reggies step dad was doing with an agent doesnt seem to matter theyre paying for what Lamar and Reggie did.

Ohio State has 5 players who are permitted to play in a BCS bowl game even though they should have been ineligible to play the entire year after breaking rules that their head coach covered up to try to keep them eligible because the NCAA rules it a unique opportunity, was it not a unique opportunity for the USC players and coaches, who broke no rules, to play and coach in a Bowl Game last year?

The NCAA precedent, set within their own rules, was that for every ineligible player that played, it would cost the team 2 scholarships but at USC they changed that rule to be 1 player = 30 scholartships saying that since the player was high profile the school should have investedgated him further.
Terrell Pryor was a higher ranked recruit than Reggie was, Reggie wasn't even a starter til his Junior year. Pryor started late in his Freshman season. Pryor was in much nicer cars than Reggie was, Reggie drove an 11 year old Chevy sedan around school, Pryor drove Escalades, 300's, a 350Z, each with a value 6 or 7 times of what Reggie drove.
The joke with the USC football team about Reggies Chevy was that he looked like he was in an unmarked police car and they called it the "Narc-mobile"

The NCAA is mid-east of the country based and Ohio State being in the heart of the mid east the NCAA will not come down on them the way they did USC. Even though Tressell tried to cover things up the NCAA will say Ohio State cooperated fully with them. And even though the infractions were booster based Ohio States fan base providing Ohio States players with illegal benefits will some how equate to less of a competitive advantage to the school than some independent agents trying to entice Reggie away from USC a year early and Ohio State will recieve little punishment.

North Carolina is also getting their packet from the NCAA this weekend and although its more similar to what happened at USC with agents being involved, UNC is more guilty as they had a runner for the agent on UNCs coaching staff as well as tutors hired by UNCs head coach doing the school work for UNCs football players. However UNCs head coach, Butch Davis, was the head coach at Miami when the NCAA infraction committee chair, Paul Dee, was at the school and received the last LOIC before USC got one. It will be Davis' ties to Dee that will keep UNC from receiving the same punishment USC received even though UNC was guilty in breaking far more rules and the rules were broken by the teams staff when USCs staff broke none.

[Killian]

[M Club]

I can't possibly hate Ohio State (and Tressel) anymore than I do right now.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6626390

Fuck you, you sweater-vested lying crook! I know The Vest is trolling MichiganFan but if Hoke wins only one game in his first year, it better be November 26.

he's not trolling anyone, it's classic PR type distraction technique that removes the real issue from the focus by charging up the emotions and eclipsing the sober and very real problems at hand.

Buckeye born and bred/dead is an old tOSU saying? never heard that before. it's actually an old Tar Heel saying from a defuct fight song from the leather helmet days....that OU lifted for the more public recognition of it as a "Sooner" saying.

for the reals. really, tressel dropping "ass"? a bit of a ftfy:

JT ETHICS in Shoalzie's JT's DOME...JT = PWNED...

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

What kind of myopic dickslaps attend a Jim Tressel "rally?" Because of this guy, The NCAA is going to bend over your beloved Buckeyes harder than they did USC, and you're on his door step applauding him? Sweet jesus.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Buckeye born and bred/dead is an old tOSU saying? never heard that before. it's actually an old Tar Heel saying from a defuct fight song from the leather helmet days....that OU lifted for the more public recognition of it as a "Sooner" saying.

Defunct? I seem to hear it plenty come NCAA tourney time.

I'm Tar Heel-born and I'm Tar Heel-bred.
And when I die I'll be Tar Heel-dead.

Da da da da da da da da da Go Tar Heels!
Da da da da da da da da da Go Tar Heels!

Or something like that. Of course, as badly as people mangle the ND Victory March, it's entirely possible that I'm way off base, but that's how I've always heard it.