I have NO doubt the lefties will rationalize this away,...

[Bizzarofelice]

I think God chose 10% as the specific tithe.

I don't think God was crunching numbers. I think he said raise your crops and feed your family. Then give any leftovers to AP.

Also, I think God would have found it much "more morally correct" to have those of wealth distribute their wealth of their own charity rather than have it confiscated by a government to be distributed for things such as war.

Yes, that is true.

well... their own charity and the fitting through an eye of a needle thing

[War Wagon]

After taxes.

I thought that was a given?

88 presumes that his taxes are his tithe... that's how atheists balance their books.

[mvscal]

God would think it's "more morally correct" to take that of which you do not need, and distribute it to the "less fortunate."

Says fucking who? Assuming arguendo, that there is a God, you would have to be some sort of spastic, helmet-headed mongoloid to think that God believes that it's "morally correct" to distribute your wealth to the less fortunate. His design is abundantly clear. This is a world of predators and prey. It doesn't matter if you are a paramecium or a Wall Street banker. The game is the same.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Says fucking who?

Says scripture that I don't believe in. But since poptart does, I wonder why he chooses to selectively preach it.

[M Club]

didn't realize the predator-prey relationship was overwhelmingly inner-species. why don't you reply with some more conveniently obtuse parallels.

[mvscal]

Actions always speak louder than words. Survival on this rock is cutthroat at every level of the food chain.

Eat, shit, squirt some DNA and nurture that DNA so that it too can eat, shit and squirt DNA.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Survival on this rock is cutthroat at every level of the food chain.

Right. Which is my TEST of you and your faith to ME. Just shut the fuck up and share your braised halibut steak with the Vogels next time.

-God

[mvscal]

didn't realize the predator-prey relationship was overwhelmingly inner-species.

Well, maybe you're just an idiot.

Intra-species competition is always the most intense for the simple fact that individuals of a species are competing for the same resources. The same habitat, the same food, the same mates etc. Even social animals like apes and wolves will attack and/or kill members of out groups and establish clear hierarchies within the group. There are too many different species to list which will cheerfully kill off juvenile members of the species given the opportunity.

Did you learn or observe anything at all in Africa or did you spend your days in a drunken stupor?

[War Wagon]

Did you learn or observe anything at all in Africa or did you spend your days in a drunken stupor?

guess i wasn't the only one to get passionate Peace Corp pm's from M_Clubbed... did he hope that your daughter got raped by nigggers also?

[Jerry Springer]

God would think it's "more morally correct" to take that of which you do not need, and distribute it to the "less fortunate."

Says fucking who? Assuming arguendo, that there is a God, you would have to be some sort of spastic, helmet-headed mongoloid to think that God believes that it's "morally correct" to distribute your wealth to the less fortunate. His design is abundantly clear. This is a world of predators and prey. It doesn't matter if you are a paramecium or a Wall Street banker. The game is the same.

Jesus said “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s"

He didn't give a %

[Jerry Springer]

simply put - your soul is worth more than money

[War Wagon]

Apparently, the word "tithe" means 10%. But the concept of tithing is very murky:

yea, a tithe is 10%. Fairly common knowledge to those whose purse strings aren't as tight as their sphincter in a bar KC Scott frequents.

And no, it's quite clear what the concept of titheing means.

[M Club]

Did you learn or observe anything at all in Africa or did you spend your days in a drunken stupor?

guess i wasn't the only one to get passionate Peace Corp pm's from M_Clubbed... did he hope that your daughter got raped by nigggers also?

bwaa.

is your daughter really joining the peace corps in africa? it's safe, yo. they generally send you deep into the bush, not the slums. the bush is generally peaceful and the slum overcrowded, the difference between a farm town and the east side of cleveland. she's more likely to be gored by a cow than stabbed with a machete.

She said she's joining the Peace Corp, but where she's going to go, I have no idea. She's got two more full years of school first, so maybe she'll change her mind. Not likely with her, though. Girl makes up her mind to do something, she does it.

Thanks for the encouraging words.

[M Club]

didn't realize the predator-prey relationship was overwhelmingly inner-species.

Well, maybe you're just an idiot.

Intra-species competition is always the most intense for the simple fact that individuals of a species are competing for the same resources. The same habitat, the same food, the same mates etc. Even social animals like apes and wolves will attack and/or kill members of out groups and establish clear hierarchies within the group. There are too many different species to list which will cheerfully kill off juvenile members of the species given the opportunity.

Did you learn or observe anything at all in Africa or did you spend your days in a drunken stupor?

ja, dumbfuck, and there are just as many examples of intra-species cooperation. you dropped some look-at-nature analogy that breaks down within three examples to the contary.

[Dr_Phibes]

you dropped some look-at-nature analogy that breaks down within three examples to the contary.

He has got a point though, equating capital accumulation with monkeys and zebras fucking about in the woods.

[War Wagon]

It's customary, Mclubbed, when pulling up posts from some time ago, to provide the link. Or was that a PM? I didn't save it.

Either way, you're pissing up a rope here.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Apparently, the word "tithe" means 10%. But the concept of tithing is very murky:

yea, a tithe is 10%. Fairly common knowledge to those whose purse strings aren't as tight as their sphincter in a bar KC Scott frequents.

And no, it's quite clear what the concept of titheing means.

Ok, so God requires a 10% drop in the bucket when you visit your local place of worship so his boyz spreading His word can rock on your dime. He also says if you have two tunics that you should share with the man who has none. So either God demands more than you'd like to admit, or he sucks at percentages.

[Bizzarofelice]

I just find it humorous that you likely believe the kids in that video to be hypocrites

This isn't the time or place to mention that over half those kids didn't give their opinions on wealth distribution, is it?

so many people throw around the hypocrasee term, but it never seems to apply.

lots of stoopid round here.

[mvscal]

and there are just as many examples of intra-species cooperation.

Competition between human cultures says you're full of shit.

[War Wagon]

so many people throw around the hypocrasee term, but it never seems to apply.

lots of stoopid round here.

English motherfucker, do you speak it?

Someone has apparently convinced you that the random words you type here mean something. Who was that dipshit?

[Bizzarofelice]

so many people throw around the hypocrasee term, but it never seems to apply.

lots of stoopid round here.

English motherfucker, do you speak it?

Someone has apparently convinced you that the random words you type here mean something. Who was that dipshit?

2) thank me for being gentle with you

[R-Jack]

God demands more than you'd like to admit, or he sucks at percentages.

There was no one to tell him there would be math.

[M Club]

It's customary, Mclubbed, when pulling up posts from some time ago, to provide the link. Or was that a PM? I didn't save it.

Either way, you're pissing up a rope here.

i pulled it out of my inbox that's 5% full. seems if you're not carrying on with some behind-the-scenes buddy affair here it's more work to delete them. "thanks for the encouraging words, sniff sniff." how was that for heartfelt?

love,
your real name

[M Club]

and there are just as many examples of intra-species cooperation.

Competition between human cultures says you're full of shit.

really, none? seems like you'd actually have step away from your computer for all of five minutes to go gather nuts and berries were that the case. carry on, douchebag.

[mvscal]

and there are just as many examples of intra-species cooperation.

Competition between human cultures says you're full of shit.

really, none?

Having fun with your strawmen? Who said none? Who said anything about intra-species behavior?

Life on planet earth is eat or be eaten. Were you what? Trying to pretend that that isn't the case?

[poptart]

in reality we all have the opportunity to earn the gpa and the money. My brother was valedictorian of our high school, went on to Yale, UCSF, Rockefeller university and now is teaching and researching at MIT and living in a million dollar house with his wife who is teaching and researching at Harvard. I suck at math and science but do well at english and creative areas. After high school I went to Texas State University and then moved out to Hollywood with my degree in english to persue becoming a writer or something related in the film business. I had no idea I'd become an actor but 11 years later I'm known as the World's Greatest Extra, been on Leno and can go on and on with the self plugs. My dad says I got the famous part down now I got to work on the rich part. I dont want my brother's wealth distributed to me he earned it. its his. I want to earn my own wealth. Sure I couldve studied more in school and strived for a higher gpa but I still think we all end up the same regardless.

Good post, Jess.

I like your thinking.

[poptart]

I just find it humorous that you (poptart) likely believe the kids in that video to be hypocrites yet you fail to acknowledge your own hypocrisy.

God would think it's "more morally correct" to take that of which you do not need, and distribute it to the "less fortunate." You know this, yet you choose to ignore it or rationalize a stance with enough caveats so that you can feel OK about it.



"Lev. 19:19ff. Now when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap to the very corners of your field, neither shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. Nor shall you glean your vineyard, nor shall you gather the fallen fruit of your vineyard; you shall leave them for the needy and for the stranger. I am the LORD your God."

To answer your question, it sounds like the poor as well as joe schmo from down the road who has a few less tomatoes than you do.

poptart says charity is a "nice" thing. His Boy says it's a way of life.



Says scripture that I don't believe in. But since poptart does, I wonder why he chooses to selectively preach it.

I posted this thread for "social" or "political" discussion.
Well,... I confess, I also posted it so that I could make a little fun of liberals. :D

I didn't post the thread for theological or Biblical discussion.
But since you've "attacked" me in this way, I want to give you a full reply.

People often bring up parts of Old Testament Law (as you did with Leviticus 19:9-10) and try to nail current Christians for not following God's Word.
When a person does this, they are doing so because there is a fundamental understanding of the Bible that they must not be aware of.

The point is this, Mgo: When Christ came, died on the cross and resurrected, everything was finished IN HIM.

That includes the Law which God had given to the Israelites - part of which you cited.

Christians are not called to obey the Law which God gave to the Israelites.
We are simply called to have faith in Christ, who finished everything.

You can read for yourself.

Romans 10:1-4, 9
[1] Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
[2] For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
[3] For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
[4] For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.


Galatians 3:24
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.


Paul, writing in Romans, is lamenting over the Jews (of which he is one) - who think they can have righteousness and salvation by following the Law.
But Christ is the CONCLUSION of the Law and a man's righteousness and salvation is only found when he places his faith in Him.

The law (including what you cited in Leviticus) was given for a time, and for a purpose -----> to ultimately bring people to Christ.




About income tax, this is how I see it:

There should not be an income tax.
That's could make long discussion of it's own.

But if we are having an income tax, you can't tax everyone, say, $10,000 for the year, as 88 pointed out, because it puts an unreasonable burden on the poor.

A flat tax seems most fair - or moral, to me.
Say 25% of all income from all income earners.
The wealthy end up paying a shitload more in actually CASH this way than the poor do - but the poor are still part of the game - as they should be.
They use the same services that everyone else uses.

Also as 88 said about progressive tax, there is no justification for taking more of one person's money than another to fund the same government, other than one person has more of it to take than the other.

Personally, I can't see how this isn't blatant theft.

It's certainly not freedom.




If you care to know what I think about politics and faith, you can see it here.

viewtopic.php?f=35&t=38469

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

poptart, I see you've been hanging out with the Pentecostals. Watch your back, bro'.

[M Club]

Having fun with your strawmen? Who said none? Who said anything about intra-species behavior?

Life on planet earth is eat or be eaten. Were you what? Trying to pretend that that isn't the case?

who? i'd go with...you:

His design is abundantly clear. This is a world of predators and prey. It doesn't matter if you are a paramecium or a Wall Street banker. The game is the same.

i don't know, maybe my dad's also my uncle and i just can't process half-assed analogies very well, but referencing the animal kingdom as a way to make sense of human interaction with each other implies intra-species behavior.

otherwise, your strawman is my "conveniently looked past whole segments of nature that didn't make your point, eh." really, his design is abundantly clear? i suppose if you don't notice those commie ants carrying out their centrally-planned economic system.

[poptart]

So, when someone cites Leviticus in a way that you don't like, you dismiss it and point out that they have a fundamental misunderstanding of the Bible.

That's not it.

When someone cites Leviticus (as Mgo did) and says that a current Christian is a hypocrite for not following the Law which God gave to the Israelites of that time, they simply have a misunderstanding of the Bible.

Christians are not called to (or expected to) follow the Law which God gave to the Israelites.

This is VERY commonly recogninzed theology among almost ALL Christians.

In fact, if someone says they are a Christian and they think we are called to obey the Law, they are ---> pretty far out there.

In fact, it's basically impossible to do so.



Since you brought up homosexuality, you need to know that my take (Biblically-based) is not formed just because of what it says in Leviticus.

God defined marriage in Genesis 2:22-24.

That definition is REPEATEDLY verified in the Bible (including Jesus verifying it - Matthew 19:4-5) and never a single time does it ever indicate that man/man is a marriage.

God defined marriage, and two males can never be viewed as married in His eyes.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

These are the kind of wishy washy bullshit caveats I'm talking about. It's like clockwork.

[Sirfindafold]

I see the socialists in here have changed the discussion from redistribution of wealth to religion.

[Cosmo Kramer]

Is grading on a curve fair?

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

I see the socialists in here have changed the discussion from redistribution of wealth to religion.

I'm so socialist I agreed poptart's opinion on wealth distribution.

[Cosmo Kramer]

Is grading on a curve fair?

I don't know whether it is fair or not. But sometimes it is simply a necessity.

[mvscal]

If so, what about all those polygamous marriages in the Bible?

Those were all in the Old Testament, idiot. Pahtah is correct. The 613 mitzvot of Mosaic Law do not entirely apply to Christians. This was determined in the Council of Jerusalem c. 50 AD. Even the Jews no longer practice polygamy.

Or when kids have sex with their father?

Was strictly prohibited under Mosiac Law.

[poptart]

100% bullshit.

Merely because the Bible has stories in it that has a husband and wife in it does not mean that God has defined marriage.

If so, what about all those polygamous marriages in the Bible? Or when kids have sex with their father?

Coming up: oh, but those are different ....

The Bible never places homosexuality in a positive light at all.
Quite the opposite, it is repeatedly shown to be negative, detrimental, wrong, sinful, and blatantly against nature and God's wishes.

What in the world could you possibly be finding within the Bible that tells you that God would view two buttfucking men as a married couple?


Of course God defined marriage in Genesis.
It is right at the end of the account of His creation.

He accomplished all of creation by His Word (Genesis 1 & 2) ---> and he then gave His Word on what marriage is.

Genesis 2:21-24
[21]And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
[22] And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
[23] And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
[24] Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.


It was only in Genesis 3, when man disbelieved God's Word and became separated from God, that man began to dream up all sorts of wack ideas - like, "Hey, man on man anal sex is good - and we can even be MARRIED."


God allowed polygamy, divorce, and many other things because of the hardness of man's heart (Matthew 19:8).

He similarly allows people to do a LOT of things, including getting together with a person of the same sex and calling yourself married, but it certainly doesn't fit within the boundary of marriage which HE defined with His Word - which you choose to ignore.

[Bizzarofelice]

is this what poptart does in the land of ricers? are you a korean preacher, pooptart?

[poptart]

I'm a missionary but not yet a pastor.

I didn't start this thread to talk about the Bible.
It's only because Mgo attacked me on my faith that I posted in response to him.
And Jsc brought up the homosexuality deal to me, so I needed to respond.

If I'm speaking of the Gospel to someone, homosexuality is very near the very bottom of the list of things that need to be brought up.

[bradhusker]

In my opinion, there is no way to justify progressive income tax rates except that the many can force the few to pay more dollars, and the few have those dollars to pay. But that doesn't make it fair. It is manifestly unfair.

I don't have near as much a problem with progressive income tax rates. To whom much is given, much is expected, give unto Ceasar, etc.

What I do have a problem with is people who get $10,000 tax refunds when they only paid in $5,000, all because they chose to shit out babies they couldn't afford to provide for.

THATS RIGHT!! If you are already poor, poor to the point that you can barely survive, and you fornicate and bring another mouth to feed into this world, FUCK YOU. Then, you have the nerve to say its Bush's fault? You make horrible choices in life, and you want to blame rich folks? FUCK YOU.

Liberals have no sense of reality, they want to reward bad choices, and punish achievement. Liberals believe that we are ALL capable of being brain surgeons and rocket scientists. Liberals are too dumb to realize that some people belong working at a wendys as a manager, and there is nothing wrong with that, we need hard workers to manage a Wendys, after all, they have a great dollar menu, and when rich folks are in a hurry with their daily important lives, they need a quick delicious dollar value menu.

Not everyone is qualified to perform open heart surgery, and thats ok, we need people to manage a radio shack, and we need custodians to clean up buildings late night.

Liberals live in a fantasy world where anyone can become president. NOT SO, which is why we have many different kinds of jobs, for the many different levels of people. Some of us are on a high level, and some of us are on a lower level.
Its a fact of life.