The Worst Thing To Ever Happen To Music

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:51 pm

1. White people playing the blues. They can't. Also, it distracted white people from their own, legitimate musical roots, namely, the European folk tradition.

2. Drums. Not every song needs a drum beat. The modern iteration of the standard drum kit is the principle reason for the downfall of modern music. Drums are poison to poetry.

3. MGMT.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:53 pm

Did you forget Air France?

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:57 pm

Screw_Michigan wrote:Did you forget Air France?

I'm trying to keep this a "Top 3"...not a rambling, Unabomber manifesto...

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:30 am

1. Aerosmith getting off drugs and reuniting.

2. Rush becoming a full on synthesizer band in the mid 80s.

3. Steve Winwood releasing "Back in the High Life."

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:37 am

Martyred wrote:1. White people playing the blues.

clapton thinks that's pretty fucked up....

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:04 am

BSmack wrote:2. Rush becoming a full on synthesizer band in the mid 80s.

Are you kidding? Grace Under Pressure and Signals were their finest moments.

Steve Winwood releasing "Back in the High Life."

Fuck off, cunt.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:06 pm

Screw_Michigan wrote:
BSmack wrote:2. Rush becoming a full on synthesizer band in the mid 80s.
Are you kidding? Grace Under Pressure and Signals were their finest moments.

Wong. Absolutely WRONG.

Caress of Steel, 2112, Hemispheres, Farewell to Kings, Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures were all vastly superior to the synth laden dreck Rush began to push in the mid 80s. At least you didn't try to claim Power Windows was one of their best efforts.

Steve Winwood releasing "Back in the High Life."

Fuck off, cunt.[/quote]

That was there just for you. :P

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:01 pm

Have to disagree about the Beatles. Would you rather they went on like The Stones just so you could get another "Some Girls" like comeback out of a bunch of 60s dinosaurs? Nah, they served the legend well by killing the beast and moving on.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:15 pm

WORST THING TO EVER HAPPEN TO MUSIC

Screwed_InTheAssAgain being named mod of the Music Forum.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:18 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:Screwed_InTheAssAgain being named mod of the Music Forum.

Whether you like it or you don't like it, learn to love it, bitch.

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:47 am

Sudden Sam wrote: The Beatles shutting down.

disagree. the beatles released an album of half paul and half john and one george song.

the ex beatles released one full paul album I can ignore and a full john album I can love and a full george album I can super love.

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:48 am

and white people mimicing the blues kinda sucks. but it can lead to some excellent shit. late 60s stones are awesome. beatles started covering negro tunes.

but I do hate budweiser blues like 80s clapton.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:45 am

Martyred wrote:1. White people playing the blues. They can't. Also, it distracted white people from their own, legitimate musical roots, namely, the European folk tradition.

2. Drums. Not every song needs a drum beat. The modern iteration of the standard drum kit is the principle reason for the downfall of modern music. Drums are poison to poetry.

3. MGMT.

1. SRV thinks you're an idiot

2. John Bonham and Keith Moon are certain you're an idiot.

3. You're batting .333 now, but that was an infield chopper the SS couldn't barehand cleanly while you hustled down the line.

Dr_Phibes · Post by **Dr_Phibes** » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:19 am

Martyred wrote:legitimate musical roots, namely, the European folk tradition.

Excessive posting of you-tube videos without commentary is bad form, but in this case it's justified

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan · Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:29 pm

Toddowen wrote:The worst thing to ever happen to music?

I would say that it's white people trying to rap. Vanilla Ice wasn't alone. Complete utter caucasian horseshit like the Beastie Boys and Rage Against The Machine were just as Gawdawful.

1. Paul's Boutique is the best rap album ever made
2. Zack de la Rocha isn't white

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:26 am

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan wrote: 1. Paul's Boutique is the best rap album ever made

No love for "Fear of a Black Planet," "Paid In Full" or "Straight Outta Compton?"

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:34 am

BSmack wrote:
MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan wrote: 1. Paul's Boutique is the best rap album ever made
No love for "Fear of a Black Planet," "Paid In Full" or "Straight Outta Compton?"

I think he was specifically referencing rap by white dudes...

...I hope...

:o

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:47 am

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan wrote: 1. Paul's Boutique is the best rap album ever made

i wonder. :|

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:08 am

the term "rap" coupled with "best", as it refers to music, don't compute.

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan · Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:44 am

BSmack wrote:
MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan wrote: 1. Paul's Boutique is the best rap album ever made
No love for "Fear of a Black Planet," "Paid In Full" or "Straight Outta Compton?"

I've got mad love for all three, but I think Paul's Boutique is just as good, if not better, than all three. Black Planet isn't even the best PE album of all time. As far as I'm concerned, the "holy trinity" of hip-hop is Paul's, Compton and Nation of Millions. You can nitpick about the order, but those three are far and away the best, IMO. If you wanted to expand the list to five, I'd throw in Enter the Wu-Tang and Things Fall Apart.

As far as Paid in Full goes, I love Rakim as an MC (arguably the GOAT), but Eric B's beats never rose to the level of folks like Dre, the Dust Brothers or the Bomb Squad. I think "Microphone Fiend" from Follow the Leader might be the single best rap song of all time though...

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan · Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:59 am

Also, just for the record, fuck Tupac. He's gotta be the most overrated dead guy this side of Brad Nowell. He was the third-best MC in Digital Underground (fourth-best if you count Shock and Humpty as separate MCs) and motherfuckers act like he's the greatest rapper that ever picked up a mic. Kids these days...

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:12 pm

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan wrote:I've got mad love for all three, but I think Paul's Boutique is just as good, if not better, than all three. Black Planet isn't even the best PE album of all time. As far as I'm concerned, the "holy trinity" of hip-hop is Paul's, Compton and Nation of Millions. You can nitpick about the order, but those three are far and away the best, IMO. If you wanted to expand the list to five, I'd throw in Enter the Wu-Tang and Things Fall Apart.

I know that my love for Fear over Nation puts me in the minority, but I just think Fear is the more cohesive album. But honestly, comparing the two is like comparing Godfather I & II. No matter how you look at it you're talking about an elite effort. Paul's Boutique is a great collection of beats. It may just be the best sampling job ever done. But the rhymes, although impressive for the sheer volume of spit and seemingly disparate cultural references, don't grab me that way Chuck, Flav and Griff do on any of the seminal PE tracks.

As far as Paid in Full goes, I love Rakim as an MC (arguably the GOAT), but Eric B's beats never rose to the level of folks like Dre, the Dust Brothers or the Bomb Squad. I think "Microphone Fiend" from Follow the Leader might be the single best rap song of all time though...

And here I am thinking that I Know You Got Soul is Rakim's apex song.

Oh well, I'm sure we could have a good time blasting any of the above classics. I think I will when I get home later.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:40 pm

BSmack wrote:
I know that my love for Fear over Nation puts me in the minority, but I just think Fear is the more cohesive album.

You're not in the minority. FOABP is by far the more mature work.
Beats, rhymes, politics...
By comparison, Nation seems dated and of it's time, whereas FOABP still feels relevant.

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan · Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:25 pm

BSmack wrote:I know that my love for Fear over Nation puts me in the minority, but I just think Fear is the more cohesive album. But honestly, comparing the two is like comparing Godfather I & II. No matter how you look at it you're talking about an elite effort.

Yeah, they're both great albums, but for this old metalhead, the "Angel of Death" sample alone is enough to put Nation over the top for me (to say nothing of "Bring the Noise" or "Black Steel in the Hour of Chaos.")

Paul's Boutique is a great collection of beats. It may just be the best sampling job ever done. But the rhymes, although impressive for the sheer volume of spit and seemingly disparate cultural references, don't grab me that way Chuck, Flav and Griff do on any of the seminal PE tracks.

The beats on Paul's Boutique are incredible by today's standards, let alone those of the late '80s. I love Girl Talk as a guilty pleasure, but whenever someone starts talking about what a visionary artist Gregg Gillis is, I feel compelled to remind them that it's nothing the Beasties & Dust Brothers didn't do 20+ years ago, except the Beasties actually wrote original lyrics for those beats. I realize that the content of those lyrics might not be as important as what Chuck, Flav, Ren, Cube or Eazy had to say, but in terms of virtuosity for virtuosity's sake, they're pretty hard to top. Most rap groups follow a pretty basic formula: MC #1's verse, MC #2's verse, MC #3's verse. But the way the Beastie Boys intertwined their voices and rhymes within the context of a verse -- or sometimes even a single line -- is what puts them on another level for me. Well, that and the fact that as a white teenager growing up in Nebraska, I could relate more to drive-by eggings than drive-by shootings.

Moby Dick · Post by **Moby Dick** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:34 pm

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan wrote:Also, just for the record, fuck Tupac. He's gotta be the most overrated dead guy this side of Brad Nowell. He was the third-best MC in Digital Underground (fourth-best if you count Shock and Humpty as separate MCs) and motherfuckers act like he's the greatest rapper that ever picked up a mic. Kids these days...

PREACH IT!!!

Go Coogs' · Post by **Go Coogs'** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:32 pm

Worst thing to happen to music? Roger Waters and David Gilmore's egos getting in the way after The Wall

Although I love Division Bell and MLoR, I think they could've made more and better albums had PF stuck together.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:11 pm

Go Coogs' wrote:Worst thing to happen to music? Roger Waters and David Gilmore's egos getting in the way after The Wall

Although I love Division Bell and MLoR, I think they could've made more and better albums had PF stuck together.

I wouldn't be so sure of that. Richard Wright was a drug casualty who preferred getting high on his yacht in the Mediterranean to producing music with Pink Floyd, Mason was sick of the grind and Gilmour hasn't written his own lyrics since 1987. That means that the vast majority of the creative work still would have fallen on the shoulders of Waters anyway. And Waters was already beginning the transformation from visionary to bitter old fart as early as The Wall sessions. Nope, Waters was smart to divorce himself from the whole process. See my earlier comments about The Beatles.

Go Coogs' · Post by **Go Coogs'** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:48 pm

BSmack wrote:
Go Coogs' wrote:Worst thing to happen to music? Roger Waters and David Gilmore's egos getting in the way after The Wall

Although I love Division Bell and MLoR, I think they could've made more and better albums had PF stuck together.
I wouldn't be so sure of that. Richard Wright was a drug casualty who preferred getting high on his yacht in the Mediterranean to producing music with Pink Floyd, Mason was sick of the grind and Gilmour hasn't written his own lyrics since 1987. That means that the vast majority of the creative work still would have fallen on the shoulders of Waters anyway. And Waters was already beginning the transformation from visionary to bitter old fart as early as The Wall sessions. Nope, Waters was smart to divorce himself from the whole process. See my earlier comments about The Beatles.

Wright was falling apart, but The Wall and time constraints for a Christmas release pushed him over the edge. Not only that, but Waters was being a total dickhead during the entire process of cutting that album. I think Wright was going through a tough time in his personal life and had been able to work on The Wall on his own time, then maybe things would be different.

I still think the creativity was there with the four main (I use that term lightly) pieces. Waters was an asshole and I think he hated Gilmore being the level headed mainstay in the group. They fought like women over The Wall, but got the job done in the end. And it turned out to be a huge success.

It's unfortunate the way it turned out, because no matter how much they don't want to admit it, Gilmour and Waters were a lethal combination in the studio. Waters was great with lyrics and Gilmour with the music. I think the two of them in a studio again would get the creative juices flowing again. I don't know...I could be wrong.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:39 am

Waters always had a fragile self concept, and by 1977 and the Animals Tour he had pretty much snapped. It was in 1977 the Pink Floyd as a musical collective died. After that point it was Waters using the rest of the group as his sidemen to produce the shit he wanted or he was going to blow the whole fucking thing up. There was no "patching things up" at that point because there was no band left.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:18 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar ... -tour.html

seriously?

no better way to tarnish a legacy then to put out a new album (first in 33 years) and follow that up with a reunion tour....

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:20 pm

BSmack wrote:Waters always had a fragile self concept, and by 1977 and the Animals Tour he had pretty much snapped. It was in 1977 the Pink Floyd as a musical collective died. After that point it was Waters using the rest of the group as his sidemen to produce the shit he wanted or he was going to blow the whole fucking thing up. There was no "patching things up" at that point because there was no band left.

Reading that, one would be led to believe that you despise Pink Floyd. :?

They may have peaked with Animals, but everything that came after was still better than 90% of the other music that came out during that timeframe.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:02 pm

War Wagon wrote:
BSmack wrote:Waters always had a fragile self concept, and by 1977 and the Animals Tour he had pretty much snapped. It was in 1977 the Pink Floyd as a musical collective died. After that point it was Waters using the rest of the group as his sidemen to produce the shit he wanted or he was going to blow the whole fucking thing up. There was no "patching things up" at that point because there was no band left.
Reading that, one would be led to believe that you despise Pink Floyd. :?

They may have peaked with Animals, but everything that came after was still better than 90% of the other music that came out during that timeframe.

Of course I love Floyd. I just realize the last true Floyd album wherein the band attempted anything even remotely resembling a collaboration was Animals. After that the band was no more and was replaced at first by Waters and Floyd members appearing as his sidemen and later by Gilmour and the remainder of "the band" as his sidemen. I love The Wall and The Final Cut, hate Momentary Lapse of Reason (an aptly titled album) and can barely stand Division Bell. But that is immaterial. The fact remains that Pink Floyd was nothing more than an artifice to sell albums after 1977, not a name representing any form of group collaboration.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:30 pm

Do you dullards have to turn every thread in BP into a Pink Floyd discussion. They were barely interesting for 3 years.
Grow the fuck up.

:x

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:37 pm

Well we haven't gotten to Led Zeppelin yet. Marty, what are your three favorite Led Zeppelin bootlegs?

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:39 pm

Martyred wrote:Do you dullards have to turn every thread in BP into a Pink Floyd discussion.

Now Marty, don't throw a tantrum. Was that a question?

If so, yes. Yes we do, yes we can.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:43 pm

Dogs was the best song on that album.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:54 pm

Screw_Michigan wrote:Dogs was the best song on that album.

You're both bonkers. The best song on the album is "Pigs (Three Different Ones)."

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 3:10 am

Pink Floyd... can you imagine if Shakespeare or Dickens could play and write music?

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:55 am

BSmack wrote:
Screw_Michigan wrote:Dogs was the best song on that album.
You're both bonkers. The best song on the album is "Pigs (Three Different Ones)."

You're right, I stand corrected. That is the song I was thinking of.

MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan · Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:53 am

My favorite Pink Floyd moment was when Ween sampled "Echoes."