Right wing-nuts who would be president

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:33 am

yeah, I missed Santorum.

What I didn't miss was the liberal slant of that article and that site in general.

Perhaps I should start posting links to the AFA and OneNewsNow websites as a counter balance...

nah, people can find that stuff if they want to and spin it anyway they want.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:34 am

Jsc810 wrote:Wing nuts, indeed. Supposedly, God told at least four of the Republican candidates to run for president.

Perhaps He will clear that up for us at the debate on Saturday.

Hopefully by nailing all 4 with a lightning bolt. THAT would get me to believe.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:49 am

Jsc wrote:

Yeah, this is one reason why people don't like Christians.

It's right there with the WR who catches a TD pass and then kneels down in the end zone - giving thanks to God.

The Bible clearly says...

1Thessalonians 5:16-18
Rejoice evermore.
Pray without ceasing.
In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

The first QB who throws a bad pick - and then kneels down in thanks to God, now THAT will be something.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:55 am

poptart wrote: Just for starters, they deny that Jesus Christ is God.

False.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the official name of the religion commonly called the Mormon Church. We believe first and foremost that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world and the Son of God.

While our backgrounds and experiences are diverse, Mormons are united by a commitment to Jesus Christ.

http://mormon.org/

They're just a slightly different flavor of crazy.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:59 am

poptart wrote:The Bible clearly says...

The next time that happens will be the first time.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:02 am

mvscal wrote:
poptart wrote: Just for starters, they deny that Jesus Christ is God.
False.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the official name of the religion commonly called the Mormon Church. We believe first and foremost that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world and the Son of God.

While our backgrounds and experiences are diverse, Mormons are united by a commitment to Jesus Christ.

http://mormon.org/

As it says there, they believe Jesus is a son of God, not God.

Christians recognize that Jesus Christ is God Himself.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:04 am

it doesn't say a son, it says the Son.

:facepalm:

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:11 am

Wagon, if you research into the mormon beliefs, they believe Jesus is not God's only Son.

BSmack wrote:
poptart wrote:The Bible clearly says...
The next time that happens will be the first time.

In every thing give thanks

Not clear?

How do you interpret it?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:20 am

poptart wrote:As it says there, they believe Jesus is a son of God, not God.

Christians recognize that Jesus Christ is God Himself.

Jesus didn't. Read the Bible.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:23 am

He did, on multiple occassions.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:25 am

poptart wrote:they believe Jesus is not God's only Son.

whatever.

I'm not concerned with what they believe, moreso with their actions and I can't say as the RLDS has ever really done something to piss me off.

But seriously, we're talking about this as how it relates to Romney's qualifications for POTUS, not the guy you want to teach Sunday school.

Give me one good reason why his faith should be the least bit of concern to me.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:38 am

poptart wrote:He did, on multiple occassions.

You mean like this?

Matthew 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Clearly a separation between Jesus as son and God as father. And he consistently reinforces this separation of himself as son being distinct from God as father.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:40 am

Take it to the Theology forum.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:50 am

B, God came to earth as the Son.
You're aware of the Trinity.

It was prophecied in the Old Testament that God Himself would come - and Jesus fulfilled it.

Isaiah 9:6,7
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

On many multiple occassions, Jesus said He was God, and thus, He was the fulfillment of this.

John 10:30-33
I and my Father are one (said Jesus).
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Jesus said He is God and the Jews took up stones against Him because He made Himself God.

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:54 am

poptart wrote:
Wagon wrote:Ok, I'll play... why is Romney unacceptable?
Romney will never be acceptable...
...He's not a Christian.

I was of a mind to dismiss your statement as simple message board trolling, but after watching you step on your dick in subsequent posts, I have one question for you:

Just what, pray tell, is your definition of Christianity?

I certainly can't speak for your church, but I can tell you that mine defines Christians as those folks who believe in the Resurrection, and accept Jesus Christ as their Saviour. Unless I missed a memo somewhere, Mormons most certainly fall under this criteria.

I can certainly appreciate your skepticism of Joe Smith's message and his wanderings across America as God's last prophet, but dismissive and scornful as you are, I can assure you that the Catholics are equally convinced that you will burn in hell for turning your back on the teachings of the One True Church. Do you feel any less Christian now because of the Roman Church's dogma? Trust me, pops, you're just as big a heretic in their eyes as the momo's. I'm of the thought that our Maker might just have a bit more Tolerance than you....

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:38 am

Truman, the mormons are having people believe in... some Jesus.
They are using the name, Jesus Christ.
They are NOT having people believe the Jesus Christ of our Bible.

They deviate OVERWHELMNGLY from Who the Bible tells us the Christ is, and they make up entirely new things (different books) and attribute them to Him.

Mormons don't believe Jesus is God and they don't believe that Jesus was born of the Holy Sprit.

Of such, Paul gave serious warning - people preaching another gospel, a perversion of who Christ is, giving people a different spirit.
Galatians 1:6-9, 2Corinthians 11:3-4, 2Corinthians 11:13-15.

Truman wrote:Just what, pray tell, is your definition of Christianity?

A person must be born again in order to see the Kingdom of Heaven - John 3:3.

1 Peter 2:18 tells us that Jesus was foreordained before the foundation of the world and was made manifest for us now.
And verse 23 tells us this about how we are born again (made "Christians")...

Being born again, not of corruptible seed (Adam's seed), but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

We are made Christians (born again) through the Incorruptible Seed (a Spiritual Seed) which God plants in us when we believe and accept Jesus Christ.

What is the "Incorruptible Seed?"

Answer:
All of us have become separated from God (Romans 3:23), and yet He immediately promised us a way back to Him when the separation occurred.
Follow the trail.

Genesis 3:15 - seed of the woman, Christ, the Incorruptible seed, not Adam's seed
Isaiah 7:14
Galatians 4:3-4
Matthew 16:16
1 John 3:8

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:41 am

and dont mormons believe they themselves become gods? at least the men do.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:43 am

Yes.

They can become Gods, they think.

Exactly what satan told Eve in the garden ---> when he was trying to have her leave God.

ye shall be as gods...

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:43 am

I'm wondering if Mitt's obvious lack of any principles beyond "i can do whatever it takes to become POTUS" is a big deal.

He may not be much of a man, but a President is going to have the rest of the ungrateful country whining for him to go against his principles anyway. Might as well not have any in the first place.

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:46 am

thou shalt have no other gods before me. me and your mormon neighbor. and your family. and everyone in your church who also become gods. basically everyone you know other than those Catholics who tend your landscaping.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:57 pm

I knew I should have never quoted tart's post about the Mormon's, because I knew it would turn into a religious pissing match....you know, the "my religion's better than theirs" type stuff

in any event, Perry-gone, Cain-gone, Santorum-gone, Bachman-off the fucking reservation gone, Paul-a seemingly bright guy who never stood a chance-gone, Huntsman-who? gone

so I guess it comes down to gingrich and mittens
gingrich can intellectually stand toe to toe with obama, but his past is going to come back and kick him in the nads....

romney, eh not so much....

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:34 pm

Paul-a seemingly bright guy who never stood a chance-gone

Paul is gone?

Really?

Does he know?

Current polling in Iowa has him in a 4-way tie for the lead.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Nov 17, 2011 1:49 pm

poptart wrote:
Paul-a seemingly bright guy who never stood a chance-gone
Paul is gone?

Really?

Does he know?

Current polling in Iowa has him in a 4-way tie for the lead.

Ron Paul is not "In-it-to-win-it"...

He just feels compelled to use this as a platform to spread his kooky gold-standard/founding-fathers-cult-myth/laissez-faire nonsense.

If he could build a time machine and transport America back to 1789, he would.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:28 pm

poptart wrote: Paul is gone?

Really?

Does he know?

Current polling in Iowa has him in a 4-way tie for the lead.

the republican party has done everything they can to marginalize Ron Paul because he's not a straight line party guy....they treat him like the crazy uncle thats invited over to family gatherings once a year because he's got no place else to go....

there is no way the republican party can suddenly do a 180 and start supporting him without looking like a bunch of fucking idiots....I like some of the things Paul says, but I just can't see him getting the nod....

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:35 pm

poptart wrote:For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

That reminds me, it’s almost time to bust out Handel’s “Messiah”.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:47 pm

Save it for my radio show.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:14 pm

I have this one:

Highly recommended.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:32 pm

poptart wrote:Save it for my radio show.

IN!

I'm going to crank it up to 11 and rip the knob off, 'tart.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:03 pm

Bizzarofelice wrote:and dont mormons believe they themselves become gods? at least the men do.

Why not ? They have 5 or 13 wives and get way more pussy than any conventional Christian could hope to get.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:19 pm

poptart wrote:B, God came to earth as the Son.
You're aware of the Trinity.

Absolutely

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:27 am

Goober McTuber wrote:I have this one:

Highly recommended.

Who knew?

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:40 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:I have this one:

Highly recommended.

that is a great version....I've got this one

highly recommended as well

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:00 pm

This one gets played here...

Supposed to be very authentic to how it was originally performed.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:52 pm

The fact Paul isn't running away with this thing is sad -- people have become so indoctrinated with the liberal philosophy, they don't even know how to handle not having Big Brother running their lives.

Just fucking sad.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:59 pm

Dinsdale wrote:The fact Paul isn't running away with this thing is sad -- people have become so indoctrinated with the liberal philosophy, they don't even know how to handle not having Big Brother running their lives.

Just fucking sad.

Paul enjoys a lot of support in the under 35 demographic and even stronger in the under 30. The young people are tired of this shit and maybe they will get the "change" we need.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:38 pm

Derron wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:The fact Paul isn't running away with this thing is sad -- people have become so indoctrinated with the liberal philosophy, they don't even know how to handle not having Big Brother running their lives.

Just fucking sad.
Paul enjoys a lot of support in the under 35 demographic and even stronger in the under 30. The young people are tired of this shit and maybe they will get the "change" we need.

BTW -- how about that corporate-hating Occupy Portland Incorporated?

Let the pepper spray and billy clubs fly, baby.

I saw where some enterprising capitalists were out selling gas masks before the clear-the-parks deadline. These folks are just a walking comedy act... I guess the word "irony" has been deleted from their dictionaries, although I'm sure they could look it up on their non-corporate smartphones with the non-corporate internet hookup.

They're also protesting BofA investing in the prison industry... by getting thrown in jail.

Yup, this from the folks who protest corporations hoarding their capital... who we've found out have around $20,000 in their own corporate coffers, but refuse to spend any on portapotties, and choose to shit on the ground instaed. They're also not using any of it to repair the damage they caused to the parks.

While all of the various Occupies are funny in a KYOA sort of way, you just knew that Portland would up the comedy a notch.

Last Saturday night before the evacuation deadline, a couple of my buds (I was too busy having sex) grabbed some brews and headed downtown to watch the skulls get cracked. They were rather disappointed by the remarkable restraint of the Popo, although gave a big thumbs up to the chick who chained herself to the Elk Statue (yeah, we put statues right in the middle of the street here... for realz), and then flashed her wonderful boobies for the cameras. They said drunk spectators outnumbered the protesters by a large multiple, which apparently the cops found very amusing. And of course, my alcoholic/sex-addict buddy joined in the kumbya-ing in an attempt to pull some young hippy tail... so very Jeff.

But I'll give the OPI crowd a little credit -- they start humming the Imperial March (Darth Vader Theme) whenever the cops show up in riot gear.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:16 am

Check this out as this chick gets a blast of pepper spray..the bear variety right square in her dick sucker. This is what we have been waiting 5 fucking weeks to see here in the U & L. I want to see some baton swinging now !

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:02 am

Derron wrote:I want to see some baton swinging now !

It seems Fag Adams is starting to display balls not seen since he had the 17 year old boy lick them in City Hall.

The video is better:

http://www.katu.com/news/local/134153333.html

RACK the moneyshot... puts getting a little jizz in her eye in perspective.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:06 am

BTW -- Nice job shutting down the light rail yesterday, Occupy Portland... you showed all those 1%ers that ride mass transit.

And that protest against high college tuitions... brilliant. I guess employees at colleges don't deserve a "living wage."

These people can't open their mouths without shoving their Nike-clad foot in it.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:24 am

Felix wrote:Paul-a seemingly bright guy who never stood a chance-gone

GOP outsider Ron Paul gaining traction in Iowa

ANAMOSA, Iowa (AP) — Texas Rep. Ron Paul is emerging as a significant factor in the Republican presidential race, especially in Iowa.

He's been long dismissed by the GOP establishment, but the libertarian-leaning candidate is now turning heads beyond his hard-core followers
— and rising in some polls — just weeks before the state holds the leadoff presidential caucuses and four years since his failed 2008 bid....

http://news.yahoo.com/gop-outsider-ron- ... 22649.html

The list of things Felix talks out his ass about... grows.