B1G Championship Thread

[Mace]

Hate to call bull-shit on this one. But that was a bull-shit call. Rack Bucky, I guess. Stripes won that one.

It's not one of those phantom Cobra Kai leg sweeps...dude hit the punter's leg while it was still parallel to the ground. That's why there are the two degrees of penalties.

Exactly. If you run into the kicker while his leg is in the air, you're going to get a flag. It was the correct call. Any blame goes to the player who ran into the kicker and didn't give Cousins a chance to pull off some of his magic.

[Goober McTuber]

Oh, please. No way the rusher should have gotten that close to the punter, but he definitely roughed him. Hell of a game. Props to Sparty.

[Van]

If I'd lost the game that way, especially after watching the punt return which set me up to win it in regulation, I'd be a goner.

I seriously don't know how Mgo does it. I could not take this shit, year after year after year. Somewhere along the line, I'd need some payback from the football gods.

[Truman]

Oh, please. No way the rusher should have gotten that close to the punter, but he definitely roughed him. Hell of a game. Props to Sparty.

No he didn't. He ran into him. Quit making shit up, Goebbels.

Helluva ball game, though. Can't wait to see the Ducks lay fiddy on Wisky...

[M2]

If I'd lost the game that way, especially after watching the punt return which set me up to win it in regulation, I'd be a goner.

I seriously don't know how Mgo does it. I could not take this shit, year after year after year. Somewhere along the line, I'd need some payback from the football gods.

Now you know what it feels like to be a Cal fan...

Cal and Michigan State could brothers from a different mother...

[Goober McTuber]

Oh, please. No way the rusher should have gotten that close to the punter, but he definitely roughed him. Hell of a game. Props to Sparty.

No he didn't. He ran into him. Quit making shit up, Goebbels.

Helluva ball game, though. Can't wait to see the Ducks lay fiddy on Wisky...

Running into, yes. Not roughing. My bad. So fucking sorry. But the right call, no doubt. I don't care if the Ducks get 50, as long as Wisky gets 60. At least we're not Mizzou.

[Goober McTuber]

5. When a defensive player’s contact against the kicker or holder is caused
by an opponent’s block (legal or illegal), there is no foul for running into
or roughing.

You can't be serious. Go back and look at the video. I just did. The rusher brushes against the blocker on his way to the punter. No way in hell the blocker had anything to do with his running into the punter. Jesus Christ, what a fucker whiner you are.

[Danimal]

Great fucking game. Props to Wisconsin. Bonehead play going for the block. Fuck me in the goat ass.

FUCK

Ya, I think going for the block was greedy. They were getting the rock back with plenty of time to get into fieldgoal position. Just get the rock, makes it especially painful when you consider the return that would've had MSU in touchdown position.

Wiscy wouldn't have needed to be bailed-out with a running-into-the-kicker call if they just trusted Wilson to get the 1st-down. The guy is money, let him pass, MSU wasn't about to give-up a 1st-down on the ground.

[bradhusker]

Great fucking game. Props to Wisconsin. Bonehead play going for the block. Fuck me in the goat ass.

FUCK

Ya, I think going for the block was greedy. They were getting the rock back with plenty of time to get into fieldgoal position. Just get the rock, makes it especially painful when you consider the return that would've had MSU in touchdown position.

Wiscy wouldn't have needed to be bailed-out with a running-into-the-kicker call if they just trusted Wilson to get the 1st-down. The guy is money, let him pass, MSU wasn't about to give-up a 1st-down on the ground.

Wisconsin is a pussy faggott team, they NEEDED that bullshit call at the end, sparty got screwed, everyone knows it, there, I said it, and I feel good.

[Shoalzie]

Not surprising, Sparty doesn't think it should've been a penalty and Bucky isn't going to apologize that the game ends up being decided on a call like running into the kicker. A good blog post by Rittenberg on ESPN covering both sides...

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/i ... -dooms-msu

Highlight video at BTN...go to the 3:00 mark for the final play.

http://btn.com/

Whether you agree or disagree, you don't run head first towards the punter after the punt is gone and not expect some laundry. Of course it's a bad way to lose but don't leave anything to chance and avoid making contact with the punter. If he doesn't touch him and the punter takes the ballet spin and fall, then you have a legit beef and I'd be call BS as well. That play is a good illustration of what running into the kicker is.


Here's a great example of a phantom roughing call in the Michigan-Oregon game a few years back (sup Dins)...a few guys in the area and it doesn't even look like Mesko is touched by any of them and just falls down and they throw a flag. That is a crap call.

[Adelpiero]

In the whole complexity of it all, going for the block is Mark D's style.

He takes chances, to force the other team on their toes. The 2pt conversion, play calling,etc.

It just sucks that a game like that is decided on a roughing the kicker. Had the MSU player got the kick, would of been best call, ever, guy hits kicker, it's considered a bad call.

If i'm MSU fan, that was a tough way to lose, but without MSU coach being a gambler, your probably not where you are tonight. You cannot be disappointed, you played a very good game, and came up a little short.

[Shoalzie]

You are smoking crack if you cannot see that the Michigan State defensive player's direction was altered by the Wisconsin blocker such that he made incidental contact with the Wisconsin kicker

What I saw was the guy on the right side of the Badgers' protection give the State player a hand to the back as he passed by but he had more than enough room to avoid contacting the punter. He looked like he was stumbling the entire run towards the punter but you have to have some control to not contact the punter and give the official even the option to make a call.

It's all about timing with a punt rush...you have only so much time to reach the punter to block the kick. Meanwhile, they're trying to get the punt away before the rush can reach the punter. When you're late and you run into the kicker after the kick is away, then you're putting it on the official to use discretion to either swallow the whistle or toss the laundry. It's really no different than pass rusher getting to the QB or when a DB tries to time just right when closing on a receiver to make play on the ball when it's arriving.

[socal]

Getting the ball back
Boneheaded move by Sparty
Buttfucked self in mouth

[Dinsdale]

I don't care if the Ducks get 50, as long as Wisky gets 60.

First off, I enjoyed that game very much last night.

And the whole time, I was thinking to myself "they're going to bring that out West?"

Both teams had pretty shitty tackling -- a surefire recipe for disaster against the Quacks... ask any team not named LSU or USC (both of which hadgood tackling).

And both those teams are slow.

Wisky's power game between the T's will do some damage, and Ball will definitely get his licks in. Other than that, it could get pretty ugly.

[Van]

Okay, after watching 88's clip a few times, I have to agree with him that the defender's trajectory was altered by the little shove he received from the blocker. That slight change forced him to stumble a bit off-course, directly into the kicker.

I would've been fine with an incidental contact/no call there.

[Mace]

That was not incidental contact and the defensive player was not blocked into the kicker. Geez.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Didn't have a big problem with the call. I have a problem with the rule, however. Why can't you lay a finger nail on the punter? They ARE in pads, yes? Fucking weak sauce.

Had a HUGE problem with MSU's inability to stop Wisky on their go-ahead drive. Had 'em dead to rights. 3rd and 17, or whatever it was, then 4th and 9, then first down, then touchdown. :brad:

[Van]

That long, desperation pass into double-coverage that put Wisky in position for the go-ahead score...damn, watching the Wisky receiver come down with that one had to hurt like hell.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Yep. That one actually hit me in the gut harder than the punt return penalty. There was still plenty of time left, but the game just felt over at that point.

[Van]

That must have been how the Leinart-to-Jarrett for fifty yards on fourth-and-nine against ND in '05 must have felt to Killian, Lax and TiC. Just a soul crusher.

[Goober McTuber]

That was not incidental contact and the defensive player was not blocked into the kicker. Geez.

Exactly. Anyone who can't see that is fucking blind or just plain stupid.

I still think that Wisconsin is a better team than MSU, based on talent. Nine All-B1G first-teamers. But MSU has superior coaching. All in all, two extremely well-matched teams who did not give us "9-6". I feel for Sparty. Arguably the best team left out of the BCS two years in a row.

[Van]

All you devoted USC haters have to be pleased to see that the AP's end-of-season #5 team won't get to play in a BCS bowl game.

[Goober McTuber]

All you devoted USC haters

Why didn't you just say, "the entire population of 49 states"?

[Van]

I thought "all you" fairly well covered it.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

I still think that Wisconsin is a better team than MSU, based on talent.

Disagree there (shocker, I know). But props on the win nonetheless. Now try to keep the Ducks under 50, would ya?

[bradhusker]

Okay, after watching 88's clip a few times, I have to agree with him that the defender's trajectory was altered by the little shove he received from the blocker. That slight change forced him to stumble a bit off-course, directly into the kicker.

I would've been fine with an incidental contact/no call there.

RAAACK THAT!!
also, I wholeheartedly agree about Cal being a haven for homosexual faggotts, fuckin sissy school with left wing wackos, weird creepy left wing professors full of sick fag propoganda, DONT send your impressionable young adults to that hornets nest of hate and intolerance.

Those sick creepy leftist marxist professors stifle ALL debate, shun other viewpoints, especially anything remotely conservative, HOW DARE THEY stifle open debate on a college campus,
A friend of mine secretly taped several lectures , and when I heard them, I WAS STUNNED at how a professor could be allowed to say such disgusting lies on ANY college campus.

Its one thing to be a left wing creepy faggott, BUT, its entirely another matter altogether to be allowed to outright lie in a college setting. This cannot be tolerated, and any professor found to be doing this should be fully investigated, and fully discharged from any and ALL academia.

[Goober McTuber]

I still think that Wisconsin is a better team than MSU, based on talent.

Disagree there (shocker, I know). But props on the win nonetheless. Now try to keep the Ducks under 50, would ya?

We just need to outscore them. Get the lead early, keep scoring, and keep punishing their little girlie man defenders.

[Dinsdale]

We just need to outscore them.

That's a joke, right?

[Van]

Well, for once I'd like to see Oregon actually look like Oregon early in a big OOC game. It seems that every time I look up, they don't already have 28 on the board in the second quarter. Instead, it's always some 10-7 type score.

Fast start this time, Ducks. Fast start, and stay on the gas. Make it a track meet, not a late slugfest.

And hold on to the fucking ball!

[Dinsdale]

And hold on to the fucking ball!

Not a chance.

But... look at Oregon's 2 losses -- the two teams they faced with speed up and down the 2-deep... it's the only way to stop us.

While the Fat Chicks have power up the yingyang, the speed I saw last night (and through the season) was... B1G-like.

Had plenty of doubt against tOSU. Had even more against War Eagle.

This one? I'm chuckling, not doubting.

Teams like LSU, Auburn, USC, and TattooU are gonna have a little sumpmsumpm for us. What's Wisky gonna do... bore us into complacency?

[bradhusker]

Ill tell you what Nebraska is gonna do to spurrier and the COCKS, we are gonna punch em in the vagina. Lets see how tough the faggott sec is. SEC SEC SEC!!! Nebraska is gonna represent the big ten in a BIG TIME cock and balls fashion.
Dont worry big ten homers, Nebraska will make you guys proud.

[Left Seater]

Not very often I disagree with 88, but this is one of those times.

I will agree that there is contact between the MSU rusher and the end protector. That however is where the agreements will end. The MSU rusher took at least two steps after the contact with the protector. Plenty of time for him to avoid the contact with a punter who still has his leg in the air. It has to be called as it was.

Where I think you are misapplying the rule is around what constitutes being blocked into, correct? Blocked into is not defined in the definitions of rule 2, so it is left open to interpretation. The accepted interpretation of this is a player currently engaged with a member of the other team or one who has just immediately disengaged from a block and is grossly out of control of his own movement. Neither of these apply to the MSU blocker. Yes he was pushed, which is a from of blocking, but he was neither still engaged, nor immediately disengaged, nor grossly unable to control his movements.

Further to say the official inserted himself into the game by making the CORRECT call is sad. Many often say what you are saying, in that officials should swallow their whistles late in games. If that is truly the case, why not just have them leave the field after the 3rd quarter? It would have been worse if the official didn't flag what was clearly a foul, just because there were a few seconds left in the game.

[bradhusker]

Not very often I disagree with 88, but this is one of those times.

I've watched it about fifty times. I agree that the MSU player took an unreasonably dangerous risk in attempting to block the kick and is as at least as much to blame for the flag as the official who threw it. The punter should get an Oscar. He wasn't displaced from his kicking or holding position. He took minor contact and made it appear as if he had been surprised in the shower by Jerry Sandusky. I think if no flag is thrown, no one says anything and the game continues. Punters take fake falls like that all the time. But a flag was thrown. The game is over. I'll accept it and move on.

RAAAACK 88, you are CORRECT sir, the punter was barely grazed, and I mean barely, YET, for reasons unbeknownest to the rest of us, he acted like Jerry Sandusky's DICK was just rammed up his shit-hole. And the ref bought it hook line and sinker.

[Danimal]

The contact between the MSU guy and the Wiscy's blocker was meager, not enough to call that the guy was driven into the punter. If the call was roughing the kicker and that 15yd personal foul got the first-down I would agree with complaints, but the 5yd running-into penalty was a good call. Going for the block is a risk, it paid-off in the first game, it didn't in this one.

[Goober McTuber]

Not very often I disagree with 88, but this is one of those times.

I've watched it about fifty times. I agree that the MSU player took an unreasonably dangerous risk in attempting to block the kick and is as at least as much to blame for the flag as the official who threw it. The punter should get an Oscar. He wasn't displaced from his kicking or holding position. He took minor contact and made it appear as if he had been surprised in the shower by Jerry Sandusky. I think if no flag is thrown, no one says anything and the game continues.

No one says anything?!? Seriously? I guarantee you Bielema would have been on the field, and rightfully so.

[Mace]

It was the correct call but it just came at an inopportune time for MSU. If it had happened earlier in the game, we wouldn't be discussing it.

[Left Seater]

Not very often I disagree with 88, but this is one of those times.

...I think if no flag is thrown, no one says anything and the game continues.

No one says anything?!? Seriously? I guarantee you Bielema would have been on the field, and rightfully so.

Plenty of people would say that the official decided the game with his no call on an obvious running into penalty. A no call in this case would be 100 times worse because the official would be deciding himself to ignore an obvious foul.

It was the correct call but it just came at an inopportune time for MSU. If it had happened earlier in the game, we wouldn't be discussing it.

Exactly! The good thing about football officials is that we call the game the same way in the first as we do the fourth. If you wouldn't call it early in the game, you can't call the same foul late in a game. Same if you would call it early then you call the same thing late. Basketball, hockey and baseball see plenty of varying calls within games which is horrible.