American Military Pissing (into the wind) part 2

[R-Jack]

Limpdick and company don't have extensive issues or detailed positions which might require serious focus and study. On the contrary, as I clearly noted, theirs is a steady drone of repetitive mantras, simplified slogans dumbed down to a trailer park level of playground taunts and malicious smears. This is what fiercely anti-intellectual means. Limpdick, Hannity, and O'Reilly go automatically into loop mode on any of the four or five basic subjects, and their respective loops are bombastic and bullying always, because any actual reasoned debate would leave each of them hapless and deflated in short order. They would never dare engage in a forum where they weren't allowed to loudly interrupt and ramble. Think about that.

I did not know that. It seems you do. The question is if that due to your first hand viewership or you talking out of your ass?

Take your time on that. Years if you must.

[LTS TRN 2]

Why is mvscal "mall cop"? You mean, like the Kevin James movie?
There were a few chuckle-out-loud moments...not spectacular, but decent for one viewing at least.

C'mon B-juice, you know damn well it's from that goofy photo of himself he chuckleingly posted...visiting a restored old ship in England?..c'mon, I know you know...and he's sort of a fat guy who's wearing a clunky utility belt of handy items like a flashlight and and a radio--no doubt a gun if he could, ala, Mall Cop. He looks just like him and in a weirdly funny way has the same zippy zeal and no chicks--except our MC is basically a urban survivalist with serious Nazi tendencies--and as per the point, has been carrying more water for Limpdick and associates than the Erie canal. Now stop playin' dumb.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

But seriously Nick...why are you so hung up on mvscal?

Do you secretly love him?

Hmmmm? Well?

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

You have a crush on mvscal. That's it.

[LTS TRN 2]

Why repeat it twice? it was perfectly stupid the first time.

By your teeming logic, I suppose I've also got a crush on Rusp Limpdick? Or Rick "frothmix" Santorum? Or....wait for it....Diogenes (whom I affectionately named "Ziodog," in reference to his slimy obeisance to the fake apartheid state.

I've taken dead aim on my target and I've detailed it much better than anything you've ever spurt on your vanity mirror. Remember, you're the one on the lowdown :wink:

[Goober McTuber]

Not in the least. In order for IKYABWAI to exist, the initially accused must respond. LTS wasn't speaking to me, or of me. His quote was in reference to Rush Limbaugh. So, unless I'm Rush Limbaugh, which, last I checked, I am not, IKYABWAI did not and could not have occured between myself and LTS.

Bam.

Yeah, it was more IKHIBSAY. Just another KC variant.

[Van]

IKHIBSAY

[LTS TRN 2]

Hey Van, what's so funny? Your pathetic lack of guitar skills? Or the fact that you just woke up and desperately want to go back to bed?

[Van]

Nope, just his "I Know He Is But So Are You" acronym, which I found rather amusing.

And you're right, my guitar skills are nill. Can't play anymore. Well, okay, I was still able to play a little the last time I tried, but it was entirely muscle memory. I couldn't even feel the strings. To your other point, I'm at least past the point of wishing I could go right back to sleep as soon as I wake up. Pretty much, I can finally sleep straight through the night again, so I'm good to go.

Anyway, shouldn't you be listening to Rush Limbaugh right now? I'm sure he's on somewhere, and I know you're loathe to miss a single minute of his show.

[LTS TRN 2]

well, I suggest downloading some backing tracks and playing over them It's a remarkably efficient and helpful practice tool. http://www.guitarbackingtrack.com/play/ ... acking.htm

As for Limpdick, I honestly spin the dial on my radio each day and check out all sorts of things. There's no need, of course, to listen to the blathering hog when one can take in all of his toxic bilge in one skimming of Mall Cop's list of Why Everything's Getting Worse And It's All Ojigaboo's Fault. It's standard jabber by the exact same racist scared loners.

For a chilling expose of just how corrupt and hideous is the U.S. military machine, check out the documentary, The Tillman Story. His family and several ex-Rangers and Special Forces guys revealed the scandalous cover-up and exploitation of Tillman's death. Absolutely shocking to see that this is standard behavior by our government.

[Van]

LTS, yes, I'm aware of the fact that playing to backing tracks is a helpful practice tool.



I guess you missed this part, though...

Can't play anymore. Well, okay, I was still able to play a little the last time I tried, but it was entirely muscle memory. I couldn't even feel the strings.

One of the major side effects of my particular chemo therapy is the onset of neuropathy in both hands. They're numb now, with the right arm being cold and numb nearly up to the elbow. I can't play anymore, and I ended up selling all my guitar gear.

[LTS TRN 2]

Van, pick up that guitar and play, damn it! Hendrix used his teeth, Page used a bow, Danny Gatton used a frickin' beer bottle. Now, on one, from the five..go!


Not to wander off topic, but in case anyone wondered just who are the real terrorists in the Persian Gulf...

Iran Air Flight 655 was a civilian jet airliner shot down by U.S. missiles on July 3, 1988, over the Strait of Hormuz, toward the end of the Iran–Iraq War. The aircraft, an Airbus A300B2-203 operated by Iran Air, was flying from Bandar Abbas, Iran, to Dubai, United Arab Emirates, over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf on its usual flight path when it was destroyed by the United States Navy guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes (CG-49), killing all 290 passengers and crew aboard,[1] ranking it twelfth among the deadliest disasters in aviation history. It was the highest death toll of any aviation incident in the Indian Ocean and the highest death toll of any incident involving an Airbus A300 anywhere in the world. Vincennes entered into Iranian territorial waters after sending one of its helicopters to buzz Iranian speedboats located inside Iranian waters, and the helicopter drew warning fire from the speedboats. IR655 was within Iranian airspace at the time it was shot down.

[mvscal]

Iran Air Flight 655 was a civilian jet airliner shot down by U.S. missiles on July 3, 1988, over the Strait of Hormuz, toward the end of the Iran–Iraq War. The aircraft, an Airbus A300B2-203 operated by Iran Air, was flying from Bandar Abbas, Iran, to Dubai, United Arab Emirates, over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf on its usual flight path when it was destroyed by the United States Navy guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes (CG-49), killing all 290 passengers and crew aboard,[1] ranking it twelfth among the deadliest disasters in aviation history. It was the highest death toll of any aviation incident in the Indian Ocean and the highest death toll of any incident involving an Airbus A300 anywhere in the world. Vincennes entered into Iranian territorial waters after sending one of its helicopters to buzz Iranian speedboats located inside Iranian waters, and the helicopter drew warning fire from the speedboats. IR655 was within Iranian airspace at the time it was shot down.

Yes, of course this event just happened in a complete vacuum. We just woke up one morning and decided to shoot down an Iranian "passenger jet" for no reason at all.

Needless to say, you remain an ignorant, shitfed dumbuck.

[mvscal]

C'mon B-juice, you know damn well it's from that goofy photo of himself he chuckleingly posted...visiting a restored old ship in England?..c'mon, I know you know...and he's sort of a fat guy who's wearing a clunky utility belt of handy items like a flashlight and and a radio--no doubt a gun if he could, ala, Mall Cop.

Another lie. You were calling me "mall cop" long before I ever posted that pic and you even manage to lie about that.

I was neither fat nor wearing a "utility belt." What is your compulsion to lie about such easily verifiable subjects? Do you want to be confirmed as a total idiot? Is this some kind of psychological need for abuse?

[Cuda]

We just woke up one morning and decided to shoot down an Iranian "passenger jet" for no reason at all..

you make that sound like a bad thing.

[LTS TRN 2]

Iran Air Flight 655 was a civilian jet airliner shot down by U.S. missiles on July 3, 1988, over the Strait of Hormuz, toward the end of the Iran–Iraq War. The aircraft, an Airbus A300B2-203 operated by Iran Air, was flying from Bandar Abbas, Iran, to Dubai, United Arab Emirates, over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf on its usual flight path when it was destroyed by the United States Navy guided missile cruiser USS Vincennes (CG-49), killing all 290 passengers and crew aboard,[1] ranking it twelfth among the deadliest disasters in aviation history. It was the highest death toll of any aviation incident in the Indian Ocean and the highest death toll of any incident involving an Airbus A300 anywhere in the world. Vincennes entered into Iranian territorial waters after sending one of its helicopters to buzz Iranian speedboats located inside Iranian waters, and the helicopter drew warning fire from the speedboats. IR655 was within Iranian airspace at the time it was shot down.

Yes, of course this event just happened in a complete vacuum. We just woke up one morning and decided to shoot down an Iranian "passenger jet" for no reason at all.

Needless to say, you remain an ignorant, shitfed dumbuck.

It was a completely insane act of terrorism. It would have been a heinous war crime, except we were not at war. The U.S. government never apologized, claiming that they thought this



was this



And claiming that a certain bandwidth--only used by fighter jets--was being used by the commercial airliner on its usual route in its proper airspace.


Of course there's no defense of this ghastly terrorist act. It was just as criminal as the shooting down of Korean 007, or the Lockerbie tragedy. And this sort of terrorism has in fact been the norm of the U.S. government since the 1950's, and was of course ramped up in the wake of the Reagan administration--the most criminal in history by the standard of indictments, convictions, and forced resignations...and actual heinous acts such as this.


Now, as to the facts of your renaming, from "Babs" to "Mall Cop," let's get this straight.

First, you were deemed "Bab's," with the possessive, to denote your being the apparent Tijuana whorehouse bastard spawn of germ warfare expert and panting war monger, Jed Babbin.

Next, when your toxic bile became so childish and disgusting, you were stripped of your apostrophe and busted down to "Babs," the clay-brained matriarch of the malignant Bush clan.

When you posted your awkward tourist photo (badly shot, uncentered, etc) the resemblance to the "Paul Bart Mall Cop" was immediate and uncanny. And, when I promptly redubbed you your present name, the janitor around here, B-Juice (whom you call "Marty") immediately popped a pimple of appreciation--quoting me and adding a "laughing" smile with his comment--"hey, you made a funny." or word to that effect.

That you would actually state with some apparent real vehemence and pique that I had (for some unexplained reason) renamed you before your photo posting reveals you to be not only a potty-mouthed robot of right-wing hackdom, but, in the scarily similar mode of Palin, a pathological liar. If you're really in such a state of dementia, go ahead and repost the photo. Let's see who was right.

Meanwhile...how's Fat Boy from Joisy fluffing your pillow these days

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

When you posted your awkward tourist photo (badly shot, uncentered, etc) the resemblance to the "Paul Bart Mall Cop" was immediate and uncanny. And, when I promptly redubbed you your present name, the janitor around here, B-Juice (whom you call "Marty") immediately popped a pimple of appreciation--quoting me and adding a "laughing" smile with his comment--"hey, you made a funny." or word to that effect.

You can be funny, Felch...I never claimed otherwise. Even the "mall cop" reference was was a good laugh at first, but you have an uncanny knack of wearing out a good zinger.

Instead of cultivating some of your genuine humour, you fall back on the same worn out non sequiturs year after year.
(...and I do mean year after year, because obviously you're incapable of grasping when these "witty repartees" fail to gain traction.)

What mental illness compels you to pound on the same joyless bullet points like some mongoloid that can't quite reason why his empty sippy cup doesn't quench his thirst?

[Cuda]

You can be funny, Felch...I never claimed otherwise. Even the "mall cop" reference was was a good laugh at first, but you have an uncanny knack of wearing out a good zinger.

Nicky could even make an Atomic Panties reset unfunny- not to mention the Cameron Crazies

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

You can be funny, Felch...I never claimed otherwise. Even the "mall cop" reference was was a good laugh at first, but you have an uncanny knack of wearing out a good zinger.

Nicky could even make an Atomic Panties reset unfunny- not to mention the Cameron Crazies

No...Felchco at least approaches comedy...

That's more than I can say about some of the "self-styled humourists" that clog this board daily with their immensely banal thread-cancer.

I can name names if requested.

[mvscal]

The U.S. government never apologized, claiming that they thought this



was this

Is that what they look like from 13 miles away? They were firing at a blip on a radar screen, you brainless assfuck. Incidents like this are bound to happen when you persist in routing civilian air traffic through a war zone.

Acts of terrorism are deliberate and premeditated. This was not. What would even be the point?

[LTS TRN 2]

Your sleazy Limpdickian auto-spin is humming along, I see. The Iranian flight 665 had not been "rerouted" and was on its normal run--completely within Iranian airspace. The U.S. had no business blustering about the area in the first place. The horrific Iraq/Iranian war had concluded. It was not a "war zone" except for the bellicose threatening presence of the U.S. military--a few thousand miles from home. The fomenting and funding of the Iraq/Iran war (which was in fact an assault by Iraq, period) and its ghastly carnage was itself a horrific war crime of the Reagan administration. The idea that U.S. war ships would be on high alert --chasing around Iranian speedboats within Iranian territorial waters while remaining unaware that a standard commercial airliner was due for its routine flight shows just how absurdly heavy handed and incompetent is the U.S. war machine. That the U.S. would not apologize for the murder of over 200 innocent people is simple grotesque. Iran has every right to despise the U.S. and Britain, and of course they're right to not recognize any legitimacy of the ruthless fake apartheid state.

You are now Sarah Mall Cop, or "SMC"

[smackaholic]

Your sleazy Limpdickian auto-spin is humming along, I see. The Iranian flight 665 had not been "rerouted" and was on its normal run--completely within Iranian airspace. The U.S. had no business blustering about the area in the first place. The horrific Iraq/Iranian war had concluded. It was not a "war zone" except for the bellicose threatening presence of the U.S. military--a few thousand miles from home. The fomenting and funding of the Iraq/Iran war (which was in fact an assault by Iraq, period) and its ghastly carnage was itself a horrific war crime of the Reagan administration. The idea that U.S. war ships would be on high alert --chasing around Iranian speedboats within Iranian territorial waters while remaining unaware that a standard commercial airliner was due for its routine flight shows just how absurdly heavy handed and incompetent is the U.S. war machine. That the U.S. would not apologize for the murder of over 200 innocent people is simple grotesque. Iran has every right to despise the U.S. and Britain, and of course they're right to not recognize any legitimacy of the ruthless fake apartheid state.

You are now Sarah Mall Cop, or "SMC"

Did you forget about the Stark?

A Navy ship in that very area had been caught napping and they weren't about to be caught again. The Vincennes attempted to contact the jetliner who ignored them. If the Vincennes had the luxury of air cover, they could have found out what it was they were shooting at, but, they didn't. So they defended themselves.

End of story.

[Dinsdale]

While 14th-hand accounts by strangers on the internet are far from reliable, so take it as you will...

But one of my friends was in military intelligence at the time, and later told me that the description given didn't even bear any resemblance to what actually happened.

It was a premeditated action... by the Iranians.

Which resulted in a plane full of dead "civilians"... all male, all military, and in the exact same number as the number of casualties they had in a battle the day before... bodies which were bloated as soon as the plane crashed.


But nah, that was all just a big ol' American blunder.

[smackaholic]

While 14th-hand accounts by strangers on the internet are far from reliable, so take it as you will...

But one of my friends was in military intelligence at the time, and later told me that the description given didn't even bear any resemblance to what actually happened.

It was a premeditated action... by the Iranians.

Which resulted in a plane full of dead "civilians"... all male, all military, and in the exact same number as the number of casualties they had in a battle the day before... bodies which were bloated as soon as the plane crashed.


But nah, that was all just a big ol' American blunder.

Sounds about their speed. And who's to blame them for staging such bullshit, when they have useful idiots like let'sturd.

[LTS TRN 2]

Your sleazy Limpdickian auto-spin is humming along, I see. The Iranian flight 665 had not been "rerouted" and was on its normal run--completely within Iranian airspace. The U.S. had no business blustering about the area in the first place. The horrific Iraq/Iranian war had concluded. It was not a "war zone" except for the bellicose threatening presence of the U.S. military--a few thousand miles from home. The fomenting and funding of the Iraq/Iran war (which was in fact an assault by Iraq, period) and its ghastly carnage was itself a horrific war crime of the Reagan administration. The idea that U.S. war ships would be on high alert --chasing around Iranian speedboats within Iranian territorial waters while remaining unaware that a standard commercial airliner was due for its routine flight shows just how absurdly heavy handed and incompetent is the U.S. war machine. That the U.S. would not apologize for the murder of over 200 innocent people is simple grotesque. Iran has every right to despise the U.S. and Britain, and of course they're right to not recognize any legitimacy of the ruthless fake apartheid state.

You are now Sarah Mall Cop, or "SMC"

Did you forget about the Stark?

A Navy ship in that very area had been caught napping and they weren't about to be caught again. The Vincennes attempted to contact the jetliner who ignored them. If the Vincennes had the luxury of air cover, they could have found out what it was they were shooting at, but, they didn't. So they defended themselves.

End of story.

Uh..the U.S.S. Stark was attacked by the Iraqis, not the Iranians.

And...what the fuck was the U.S. military doing there in the first place?...Oh that's right, they were continuing their bald aggression on Iran--absolutely unforgiving that the Iranian people should have expelled the U.S./Israeli puppet "Shah" and taken possession of their own natural resources.

End of story? :doh: Really? Put down the kool-aid, smakie, put it down slow.


And Dins, the "official story" offered by the pentagon with real agonizing regret over this tragic mistake--though no apology was ever offered--was every bit as fake and foul as the Pat Tilman scandal of outright lies and shameless manipulation. The idea that the passengers on the planes were not who were grieved at the subsequent funerals is utterly moronic, and the basic attitude of seeking to cover-up and ignore this heinous crime reveals a lot about your own inner toxicity.

[LTS TRN 2]

When you posted your awkward tourist photo (badly shot, uncentered, etc) the resemblance to the "Paul Bart Mall Cop" was immediate and uncanny. And, when I promptly redubbed you your present name, the janitor around here, B-Juice (whom you call "Marty") immediately popped a pimple of appreciation--quoting me and adding a "laughing" smile with his comment--"hey, you made a funny." or word to that effect.

You can be funny, Felch...I never claimed otherwise. Even the "mall cop" reference was was a good laugh at first, but you have an uncanny knack of wearing out a good zinger.

Instead of cultivating some of your genuine humour, you fall back on the same worn out non sequiturs year after year.
(...and I do mean year after year, because obviously you're incapable of grasping when these "witty repartees" fail to gain traction.)

What mental illness compels you to pound on the same joyless bullet points like some mongoloid that can't quite reason why his empty sippy cup doesn't quench his thirst?

And you, B-Juice, sipping your mezizah mocha, pretending to be...?

Well, just on this page alone...look, it's Opie of Mayberry....

Gee willikers, Why is mvscal "mall cop"? You mean, like the Kevin James movie?
There were a few chuckle-out-loud moments...not spectacular, but decent for one viewing at least.


Awww, such innocence and earnest naivete..

But then, it's revealed that you in fact were right there at the denoting thread, responding immediately. In other words, your Opie is really much closer to this canny fellow

I didn't say I didn't not not recall, in fact...I didn't say anything at all..of what I did or didn't remember...


And then you retreat and recline into this world weary wise man, and assume the guise of...a literary arbiter?


Of course, like your other poses this one is fake. You apparently don't understand what a non sequitur is if you think I use them at all, let alone repetitively. As for hitting the same topics, it's not like they aren't the most crucial issues of the day. And, it's not as though you've ever expressed a real opinion, developed a joke, or supported or defended any of your smirked implications. Your fault is not what you say, but what you don't dare--or are unable--to express.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

As for hitting the same topics, it's not like they aren't the most crucial issues of the day.

Oh. Okay.

[smackaholic]

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Uh..the U.S.S. Stark was attacked by the Iraqis, not the Iranians.

And...what the fuck was the U.S. military doing there in the first place?...Oh that's right, they were continuing their bald aggression on Iran--absolutely unforgiving that the Iranian people should have expelled the U.S./Israeli puppet "Shah" and taken possession of their own natural resources.

I don't care if it was fukking santa claus that launched that exocet into the Stark. The fact of the matter is that a US warship in the area had been successfully attacked recently and it wasn't gonna happen again.

As for why they were there, we have a fukking Navy to keep sea lanes open. They were not there to attack Iran, dumbfukk.

[mvscal]

And...what the fuck was the U.S. military doing there in the first place

Sweeping the Straits of Hormuz clear of Iranian mines during the Tanker War. I hope that was OK.

[LTS TRN 2]

As for hitting the same topics, it's not like they aren't the most crucial issues of the day.

Oh. Okay.

Damn straight, "okay"... And not just in the relevance of the topics upon which I choose to concentrate, but on your passive mendacity (duly confirmed above) and the basic lazy tripe you spurt on the mirror to convince yourself that you're not dead.

[LTS TRN 2]

And...what the fuck was the U.S. military doing there in the first place

Sweeping the Straits of Hormuz clear of Iranian mines during the Tanker War. I hope that was OK.

No, of course it's not okay. If we are going to sail into another nation's territorial waters, even conducting an operation as helpful as mine-sweeping, we have the full responsibility to avoid sinking fisherman, strafing cruise liners, and of course shooting down commercial airliners. It's pretty basic common sense as well as strict international law.

But as with the Pat Tilman coverup, the U.S. tried to peddle the excuse that they felt they were under fire or in imminent danger. In fact no hostilities were in the area at all in each case.

But, that heinous act of blustering blue balls state terrorism was long ago. There's plenty of new atrocities to lament as our nation's honor is pissed on and...wait for it..burned like a Koran.


Seig...Heil!! (we know the Germans were fighting godless communism,,and so do you!)


Sure, we're winning the hearts and minds one village at a time. We give them treats and hope they like us...(psssst I'm now the head of the CIA)


What the hell! We bring them treats and American cigarettes..and they blow up this privately contracted truck--at an expense to the U.S. taxpayers of $8 million...not really private at all.. I just don't get it...



Now...why would the U.S., as grossly incompetent as its military has proven since WWII, seem to operate in diametrically opposed styles?

Is it...because they really want a Permanent War? You know, permanent instability or "crisis" which itself then necessitates all sorts of fascistic overtures like the Patriot Act or complete suspension of civil rights based on a mere suspicion? Hmmm...

WW

[mvscal]

No, of course it's not okay. If we are going to sail into another nation's territorial waters, even conducting an operation as helpful as mine-sweeping,

The Vincennes was in Iranian waters in puruits of a boat which fired on them in international waters.

Now...why would the U.S., as grossly incompetent as its military has proven since WWII,

Yeah, right. "Incompetent"

[LTS TRN 2]

Look, SMC, you're a confused fat loner with a clunky utility belt. And if you deny that, let's see the photo, you loony pathological freak. And in this case you're hammered like an oxycontined Limpdick and confusing the Stark and the Vicennes. But the U.S. military's terrorism of the 80's--from the Middle East to Central America and the Caribbean is indeed a debt not repaid, but get with the program. The CURRENT situation is the one where the shit really hits the fan. Why aren't you very concerned? Oh, that's right. :wink:

[mvscal]

Look, SMC, you're a confused fat loner with a clunky utility belt. And if you deny that, let's see the photo,

If you insist. Here it is. I'm reaching for a camera which is slung over my shoulder and not wearing a "clunky utility belt."

And in this case you're hammered like an oxycontined Limpdick and confusing the Stark and the Vicennes.

No. The Stark was hit by missiles fired by an Iraqi jet and the Vincennes shot down the Iranian civilian jet. You, on the other hand, still don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

[LTS TRN 2]

You appear at least twenty pounds over the government index for sedentary hacks, and you're clearly carrying all sorts of handy gadgets and devices on your belt--on the right side. your camera is on the left. And of course there's no chicks or normal looking people anywhere. It's irrelevant. And the facts of the Stark attack and the Vicennes atrocity are not in question, anymore than the lack of any apology by the U.S. government--because they were hunkering behind the shameless and desperate lie that the Iranians had "rerouted" the plane on purpose so as to induce the blundered attack. Astonishing and unbelievable until you consider that they did the excct same thing with Pat Tilman--completely inverting the actual events--knowingly--and then trying to sell it as a recruiting tool.

The fact of Camp Aryan (not "Arian" as the desperate pentagon spin machine first asserted) should start to nudge you from your medicated stupor. But...Oh..that's right.. :wink:

[LTS TRN 2]

Now...why would the U.S., as grossly incompetent as its military has proven since WWII,

Yeah, right. "Incompetent"

It's that funny? Six laughing smilies?

Okay, let's call the roll on U.S. military incompetence.

The War of 1812 This was a total loss dressed up like a Whitney coffin shot with the Battle (and song) of New Orleans, etc

The Mexican American War Not a war at all, but a simple ruthless Imperialist assault on a tiny army. A "victory" ? Okay..

The American Civil War Did "America" win by slaughtering a million or so of its men and effectively retarding half the country economically and culturally for about a century? Ezra Pound referred to this slaughter as "the suicide of the Anglo-Saxon race." A "win"?

The Spanish American War Again, ruthless unprovoked (fake provocations don't count, of course) Imperialist assault on both fellow Imperialists and the allies (the Filipinos) who had initially been our reason for intervening. Nice.

WW1! A horrific stalemate which caused the influenza epidemic, resulting in millions of dead Americans besides the 50,000 or so American lads who were fed into the sausage grinder of France, etc..

WW2 Hold the presses!! Did we actually win one? technically yes. But, we couldn't and wouldn't have won in Europe without the massive Soviet army--our seriously sworn enemy of ensuing decades. And we only managed to beat Japan--a nation the size of California--by NUkING CIVILIAN CITIES. But...we won. That's a win and...

Korea Another dreadful dismal stalemate at best, which left us in the utterly awkward position of permanently stationing thousands of troops where they are not wanted, etc.

Vietnam A ghastly Nazi-like assault on a soverign nation which ended in total defeat of the largest and most expensive war effort ever engaged by any nation in history.

Grenanda Yep, this was next. And what a victory. Nineteen friendly-fire deaths resulting from the most absurd internecine bickering since Stripes, with Bill Murray. Imagine helicopter attack pilots given tourist maps to find targets. Picture similarly misinformed idiots accidentally sending helicopters right into heavy fire (by battle-tough Cubans). Sure, it's a win. After all, Clint Eastwood made a movie celebrating it.

Desert Storm Booya! That's a win, right? Well, no. That was a Military Industry trade show. Besides pushing Saddam back--and then attempting to starve and undermine the Iraqis for another ten years--nothing was accomplished--except higher gas prices of course.

Iraq 2 An absolute nightmare of lies, waste, and extremely profitable corporate manipulation. We're about to do another Vietnam retreat Nuff said.

Afghanistan The longest war America has ever waged...is a total loss, period. And just yesterday our "allies," the good folks we're supposedly trying to civilize, one chocolate treat at a time, shot two more America soldiers.

And...let's bear in mind that with the exception of WW2, EVERY single one of these grotesque and utterly incompetent events was firmly--often violently--opposed by the American people. We were dragged into each one--either by the draft or shameless "false fires."

So...you can toddle along, robotically reciting the Limpdick gas of "American Exceptionalism " all you like, but the facts are always there for you to hide from. :wink:


WW

[Van]

"We're soldiers...we're American soldiers! We've been kicking ass for 200 years! We're 10-1!"

[LTS TRN 2]

I'd forgotten how funny that movie isn't. But it's cute at the very end of the clip when Murray orders "Fall in"--the guy behind him snaps a lefty Nazi salute. But, like the hacks who prop our military nightmare, Bill doesn't suggest to what wars that "10-1" record refers. oh well, he's just kidding anyways..

[Van]

Hey, you're the one who referenced it.

[LTS TRN 2]

Yeah, and Sean Young was in it.

Here's what ol' Bill should have said, continuing his pep speech.....(and he's from Chicago)...



"But the economic cost -- outlined on a placard that accompanies the memorial -- is worth noting as well, judging from numbers crunched by Nobel Prize winning economist Joseph Stigliltz and his colleague Linda Bilmes.

Here is a run down:

-- U.S. taxpayers spent more than $1 trillion for the first four years of the war.

-- Every day the war has continued has added $720 million to the cost of the war.

Of that total, Illinois taxpayers have forked over $38 million each day that the war has continued.

Think about that. Each day we Illinois taxpayers have contributed $38 million to the war effort in Iraq. What could we buy in Illinois for $38 million for a single day?

According to the exhibit, we could:

-- Build 51,846 homes with renewable electricity

or

-- Give healthcare to 23,484 children

or

-- Send 5,723 children to Head Start

or

-- Supply 4,515 scholarships for university students

or

-- Hire 637 elementary school teachers

or

-- Provide 283 affordable housing units

or

-- Build four new elementary schools

That's among the things we could buy if a single day of taxes going to the war went to the state's needs instead."



Well put..now go hit a bucket of balls