Lane Kiffin is more honorable than Brian Kelly?

[SoCalTrjn]

Forget the fact that Lane hasn't thrown temper tantrum on the sideline or killed an AV geek in a scissor lift during hurricane winds, Lane allows players transfer, even to teams his team will play or allow kids out of their LOI if USC is not where they want to be. Brian Kelly will not allow Tee Sheppard, who has yet to play a down for Notre Dame as he is a 2012 signee out of his LOI to go to USC. Lane allowed USC RB Amir Carlisle transfer to Notre Dame even though USC has probably never had less depth at the RB position and allowed Seantrell Henderson out of his LOI when USC desperately needed O Linemen. Now Tee Sheppard wants to go home to California and play for USC because ND wasnt what Kelly made it out to be before Shepard signed. Kelly will not allow Sheppard out of his LOI if USC is where Sheppard wants to go. Why not? Sounds like Kelly is scared of USC.



Also how is it that Amir Carlisle was given a waiver to be able to play in 2012? Is ND such a favored program that transfer students dont have to sit out a season after transferring? Is recent USC transfer Josh Shaw going to get the same waiver so he can play in 2012? waivers are usually given so a player can go to a school closer to home due to some family issues, Amir is from California. Shaw is from Los Angeles and left Florida so Shaw should be the one who gets the waiver. Kind of fishy that Notre Dame gets the waiver for Amir Carlisle from USC.

[Van]

You aren't really still looking for fairness from the NCAA regarding anything to do with USC, are you?

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

This is like arguing which landfill smells better.

[Van]

Believe it or not, Kiffin's doing a good job so far at USC. He certainly isn't doing anything to ruffle anyone's feathers, and supposedly he and Pat Haden are now 100% on the same page. Not a hint of impropriety with the program.

For the moment, anyway, everyone seems quite happy with him.

[SoCalTrjn]

The waiver Notre Dame was given for Carlisle is stinking more and more.

What is different in Carlisle's transfer compared to any other transfer?

[R-Jack]

This is like saying at least Idi Amin used all of the political rival he ate.

[SoCalTrjn]

Kiffin has done nothing wrong.

He left the Raiders because they sucked and the crypt keeper was calling the shots and probably the plays too.
He left Tennessee because he was offered a better job, the job of his dreams, anyone else would have done the same thing.
He isnt as enthusiastic as Carroll was but that's ok as long as he wins.


2 fan bases feel slighted because Kiffin aspired to coach somewhere else, you cant blame them for being bitter but in the same situation any of them would done what Lane did

[Van]

Besides, he didn't leave the Raiders. He was quickly hired/fired, same as every other Raider coach. He abruptly left the Tennessee gig but, like you said, that was for the USC job...his dream job. Anybody else would've done the same thing.

Hell, look what Kelly did to his Cincinnati team in order to take the ND gig. Only coach in the history of ever to abandon a BCS bowl game team on the eve of their game.

The irony there is that the team he abandoned was better than the one he took over.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Believe it or not, Kiffin's doing a good job so far at USC. He certainly isn't doing anything to ruffle anyone's feathers, and supposedly he and Pat Haden are now 100% on the same page. Not a hint of impropriety with the program.

For the moment, anyway, everyone seems quite happy with him.

That may be. However, he looks like a douche, he acts like a douche, he has a douche name. He's also the head coach for USC. For 99% of us, that's all we need.

I'm sorry it has to be this way.

[Van]

He does look like a douche, especially with the constant smirk and the gawdawful visors. Why anyone would ever wear a visor indoors or at night is beyond me.

His name is also really douchey. 'Lane Kiffin' just sounds like rancid twat.

And yes, he's the coach of USC, a position which automatically engenders massive knee-jerk envy, jealousy, loathing and downright enmity.

The only thing you pointed out with which I disagree is the "he acts like a douche" thing. He really doesn't. Other than bailing on Tennessee so abruptly to take the USC gig—something just about every other coach in America would've done, especially those who always wanted to coach at USC—how has he ever really acted like a douche? The guy isn't particularly demonstrative on the sidelines, he's not some maniac who's always screaming at his players, he says next to nothing during most any presser, and he never has anything but praise for his opponent.

Putting aside his little smirk, which I'm sure he can't help, what does he ever do that's so bad?

[R-Jack]

Putting aside his little smirk, which I'm sure he can't help, what does he ever do that's so bad?

He didn't wanna draft JaMawcus. He could've won with im.

sin,

[Van]

Well, no one ever said he's stupid.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Hell, look what Kelly did to his Cincinnati team in order to take the ND gig. Only coach in the history of ever to abandon a BCS bowl game team on the eve of their game.

How quickly they forget.

Sin,

The irony there is that the team he abandoned was better than the one he took over.

Yeah, that too.

[FLW Buckeye]

Yeah, I seem to remember for about a 1 year stretch when Kiffin and Rich Rod where going head to head in the media, trying to out-Gump each other. One would think that this is what some will remember...

Always good for a laugh.

[The Seer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... dxEEgLCUf8

[Van]

What...the...fuck?

Seer, that had to be put together by your people.

[Van]

'Spray, if he's proven it more than once, okay, cite some examples. Hell, cite one.

As for whether he was man enough to coach in the SEC? His record at Tennessee was better than those of both his predecessor and the guy who followed him, so I guess Phil Fulmer and Derek Dooley also aren't man enough to coach in the SEC.

[Van]

Why do you keep saying he quit the Raiders? He didn't. He was fired by Al, just like all seventeen Raider head coaches of the last decade. He quit Tennessee to take the USC gig, which was a no-brainer. There isn't a coach in America who wouldn't have done the same thing, especially since Kiffin was a former USC OC and the head coaching gig there was his dream job.

As for Fulmer, he was 5-7 the year before Kiffin took over his team and went 7-5 with it. Since then Derek Dooley hasn't managed even a .500 record at Tennessee.

Kiffin went 10-2 last year with a team on probation. He's got them heading into this season as the pre-season #1 or #2, and they're still on probation. He may very well win a national title in only his third year, again, with a team on probation.

He's also only twelve years old. For a guy his age, he's done quite well.

I'm still waiting for a single example of him being a pussy. He married a fine one, but what pussy move has he ever pulled? If quickly leaving a program makes someone a pussy, say hello to half the coaches in your beloved conference, including the best one of the group, Nick Saban.

Oh, and how long did Gene Chizik stick around at Iowa St again?

[Van]

That's one sorry white flag.

[Van]

Again, what previous actions?

I've twice asked you to cite a single example of any pussy move he's made. Both times, you bailed. I explained to you that he didn't quit the Raiders, he was fired by them, just like every other recent coach they've had. You bailed. I laid out for you that his move to USC was as routine as it gets; a move echoed by your beloved SEC coaches left and right, including Saban and Auburn's very own Gene Chizik. All I heard from you is crickets chirping.

"He'll fuck USC," that's all you came back with. Never mind that he's never fucked any team he's been associated with, other than maybe Tennessee, and his doing so there was no different than what other SEC coaches have done. Hell, Saban had nowhere near as good of a reason as Kiffin did, considering Kiffin loves USC. Saban bailed on both LSU and the Miami Dolphins for...what? What was Chizik's excuse for bailing on Iowa St?

Crickets.

[Bizzarofelice]

Lane Kiffin hasn't excessively hopped from job to job. Seriously. He an look a recruit's parents in the eye and tell them he will still be there for their son.

[Van]

No doubt. The guy coached at USC for six seasons before taking the HC gig with the Raiders, a move for which few could blame him. Going from an OC in college ball to the youngest HC in the NFL? Given the opportunity, who wouldn't make that jump?

Then he got fired. He didn't quit. From there he landed in Tennessee before his dream job opened up back at USC. Now he's in his third season there, with no indications from anyone that he has any intentions of leaving.

He's been there nine of the last twelve years. Yeah, I'd say he's pretty reliable.

[Van]

I'm not talking about anybody else.

You're the one who said he's not man enough to coach in the SEC. That is, by definition, a comparison of Kiffin vs other SEC coaches. When I pointed out to you that he certainly was man enough to coach in the SEC, and that plenty of other SEC coaches pulled the exact same shit for which you're excoriating Kiffin, hey, looky there, suddenly you don't wish to pursue that angle any longer.

Kiffin handled pretty much everything like a pussy.

"Everything"? Such as? You keep talking in these vague multitudes, but when pressed for even a single example you don't offer anything.

Even Funny Al spoke truth when Kiffin bailed on the Raiders.

All Al did was stiff him, same as he fucked over a couple of other Raider coaches. Kiffin was right about JaMarcus, Al resented it, and Al made him take the fall.

If I ask you to come up with a single "truth" Al said about him, will you be able to produce anything?

This is Al fucking Davis we're talking about here. The guy was a megalomaniacal nutjob who had become a universal laughingstock precisely because of the type of shit he pulled on Kiffin.

He's just a snakey little fuck, Van.

And you know this, how?

All you have to do is to look at him.

That's how. That's all you have...his looks.

Again - he'll fuck you guys. Not a question of if, but just a question of when.

Actually, it's more a matter of how. What would you consider "fucking" them? He's running as tight of a compliance ship as possible, which no one disputes. Haden supposedly loves the guy. So how is is he going to fuck us?

He's been at USC a total of nine years with nary a hint of a problem. When is this fucking supposed to happen?

Bace threw in a great comparison. Though I think Kiffin is a stiff upper pussy, I still don't think he's as bad as dick-slurping Quitrino. I'd like to see that cockhead taken out by a sniper's bullet.

Bace threw in a proper example of exactly what you're incorrectly ascribing to Kiffin. Petrino really did bail in a pussy way on Atlanta. Kiffin has never done anything even remotely similar, and now he's doing well in his dream job.

I'm not saying he's going to become the next John McKay or even the next Pete Carroll, but so far he's done nothing wrong. As young as he is, he actually could turn out to be that twenty-year head coach at one institution every program wants. Other than for a possible return to the NFL, where else is there for him to go? He's only thirty-six and already firmly entrenched in a pinnacle gig.

[Van]

In the meantime, how's about you answer the questions posed to you?

[Van]

Why did you even bother posting those? Other than the mistake he made—for which he quickly apologized—regarding the Urban Meyer recruits, the blog authored by that illiterate gimp offered nothing. It was a bradhusker post burped up by a drunken Vol.

The google page also offers nothing. It's just a bunch of disgruntled Tennessee fan links. Guess what? They were pissed that he left. Meaning...they wanted him to stay.

As it turns out, they were right in wanting him to stay.

[Van]

So, okay, at least answer this...

How will he fuck USC over, and when?

Oh, and if you don't have a gig, get yer ass into Chat this evening. Smackie's doing his thing tonight, and he's one of only a very few people who puts on a show that's anywhere near as excellent as yours used to be. He even plays The Aristocrats sometimes despite not liking them...and he pretty much likes everything!

[King Crimson]

jury is out on Kiffin for sure. he does seem like a Neuheisel type dickhead, though. Chizik is a good counter-example for Van. not sure 5-7 to 7-5 means much however. not like Tenn isn't going to have some talent, plays Vandy, and probably weak OOC for 4 gimme wins.

[Van]

The point was that Fulmer only managed 5-7 the year before, and Dooley hasn't managed to have a .500 season. So, if Kiffin "isn't man enough to coach in the SEC," I guess neither are those guys.

[Bizzarofelice]

gary pinkel is very honorable.

that's why his wife is divorcing him for being a philanderer.

[Terry in Crapchester]

The point was that Fulmer only managed 5-7 the year before, and Dooley hasn't managed to have a .500 season. So, if Kiffin "isn't man enough to coach in the SEC," I guess neither are those guys.

But the Fatman had won a national championship, and consistently kept Tennessee in the SEC title hunt for awhile during his tenure. You're not really gonna compare Laney Kitten to him at this juncture, are you?

[Van]

I'm going to compare what he did with what Fulmer did with basically the same team, yes. The point is that he was clearly "man enough to coach in the SEC"; either that, or Dooley isn't.