one of the worst decisions in boxing history

[poptart]

That'll teach Manny to open his mouth on behalf of traditional marriage, as he did a few weeks ago.



Diss the homo?
That's a no-no.

- 2012 Sodom and Gomorrah

[Wolfman]

There have been worse. A lot worse. And no, I did not watch Stanley Ketchel fight in person.

[smackaholic]

Professional boxing is crooked?



No way!!!!

[Carson]

Apparently more balcks subscribe to HBO than beaners.

Why did you post this in CdS instead of the boxing forum?

...and why do you follow sports where men are reaching for each other's midsections?

[Van]

Didn't see the fight. I don't know how badly Manny got robbed, but I do know this puts the kybosh on the one and only fight the sport has been clamoring to see so I don't see how this would fall in line with any conspiracy theories. Had the roles been reversed and Manny had won when he clearly lost, sure, that would smack of a conspiracy.

[smackaholic]

Pacman/Mayweather is still THE fight, folks want to see. Trouble is, neither party has been in any big hurry to make it happen.

Now, we have 2 other money makers, Paciao/Bradley dos and Mayweather/Bradley.

Both these fights have a better chance of actually happening.

[Van]

My understanding is that this was one of the most clearcut robberies we've seen in many a year. People are saying Bradley won no more than three rounds, tops, with most feeling it was either 10-2 or 11-1. The level of incredulity I'm reading is just off the charts.

[Left Seater]

So what y'all are saying is boxing is pretty much figure skating and gymnastics.

That crazy Latvian judge strikes again.

[LTS TRN 2]

An absolute disgrace. Here's the deal..Pac wants to retire and knows the Mayweather fight is out--Mayweather will destroy him. And, he knows he can beat Bradley. So..with the basic premise that the fighters will do their best, if it's even remotely close the very profitable rematch--and last fight for Pac--is on. Got it? This explains the utterly bogus reactions by both fighters after the absurd decision. Arum is managing both guys, remember.

As for the actual bout, Pac won every round even without the basic tradition of a challenger having to really beat an established champ. A big factor in the noxious decision was the desperate disgrace of the previous Pac/Marquez robbery. The Vegas establishment had been humiliated to keep the Pac train going and were now twice shy--and corrupt as well. The great sport has always been marred by match-making tanks and thefts, but this one was pretty bad.

[smackaholic]

An absolute disgrace. Here's the deal..Pac wants to retire and knows the Mayweather fight is out--Mayweather will destroy him. And, he knows he can beat Bradley. So..with the basic premise that the fighters will do their best, if it's even remotely close the very profitable rematch--and last fight for Pac--is on. Got it? This explains the utterly bogus reactions by both fighters after the absurd decision. Arum is managing both guys, remember.

As for the actual bout, Pac won every round even without the basic tradition of a challenger having to really beat an established champ. A big factor in the noxious decision was the desperate disgrace of the previous Pac/Marquez robbery. The Vegas establishment had been humiliated to keep the Pac train going and were now twice shy--and corrupt as well. The great sport has always been marred by match-making tanks and thefts, but this one was pretty bad.

That was actually a very good post, other than the part about Mayweather destroying Paciao.

Would Pacman beat Mayweather?

I don't know, but, if anyone would do any destroying, I think it would be the Pacman. Mayweather is a very good boxer, but, he's doesn't have the firepower to knock out Pac.

[LTS TRN 2]

I was on board with the Pac as being the one guy who could beat Mayweather, but that was before Mayweather's previous two fights and Pac's previous three--including getting pounded like an abalone by Marquez (who of course was completely outclassed and befuddled by Mayweather in'09). Mayweather is a genuine freak of nature who has somehow gotten better, and to the point, possesses the exact skill set to thwart Pac's assault. Pac looked very good, fabulous conditioning and mechanics, but he couldn't take out Bradley, and Mayweather is far superior. So...

[The Seer]

Paquiao needs a money maker whilst mayweather is chillin like a villian. A rematch, then the Mayweather fight...unless mayweather learns to like it up the ass.

[Van]

Mayweather is pulling a Sugar Ray Leonard vis a vis Marvin Hagler, just waiting him out until he finally thinks he can beat him. Just as Ray wanted no part of Hagler in the five years leading up to the fight, neither has Mayweather wanted any part of Pacquiao. All Mayweather cares about is maintaining that "0" on his record and he's known all along that Manny is the one guy who would remove it.

[LTS TRN 2]

C'mon, Van, that take is a prom boy puking on his shoes as he sheepishly explains to his date's dad just why he's wearing nothing but shoes. Seriously, have you actually watched any of the recent fights with these characters? Or don't you know that Leonard was a full weight division below Hagler for those years and came up when he saw the technical angle for his win. As for Mayweather, he didn't pull out of the recent deal, Pac did--on flimsy grounds. And moreover, if you really knew these fighters, you'd see what everyone knows, that Mayweather will frustrate and tattoo Pac all night long. Pac wants absolutely no part and will not fight Mayweather, period.

[Van]

You have it 100% wrong, per usual. Manny has agreed to every stupid thing Mayweather has burped up and still Maywearther just keeps coming up with ever more absurd stips. Mayweather wants no part of Mannny.

[LTS TRN 2]

Are you still doped up on meds? Look, Pac refused to take a simple blood test--less than a drop required--on the fatuous claim that this would weaken him. Okay? Any dispute? And this was the ONLY stumbling block in the deal which was otherwise set to go. So, please don't just bullshit completely and pretend to make sense.

You obviously know nothing as well of Mayweather and his previous two fights, because if you'd watched them closely you wouldn't dare bet a drachma on Pac.

[Van]

Are you still doped up on meds? Look, Pac refused to take a simple blood test--less than a drop required--on the fatuous claim that this would weaken him. Okay? Any dispute? And this was the ONLY stumbling block in the deal which was otherwise set to go. So, please don't just bullshit completely and pretend to make sense.

Bullshit. Manny agreed to that one eons ago, at which point Mayweather dutifully came up with more transparent obfuscations.

Their last go around came to a halt when Mayweather couldn't even agree to a 50-50 split. Then Manny offered winner-takes-all, and of course "Money" balked at that. No matter what, Mayweather refuses to step into the ring with Manny.

You obviously know nothing as well of Mayweather and his previous two fights, because if you'd watched them closely you wouldn't dare bet a drachma on Pac.

Mayweather's last fight was one of the few where he actually bothered to fight at all, and Cotto managed fairly well against him. That was the same Cotto who was thoroughly destroyed by Manny.

All Mayweather cares about his retiring with a -0 on his record. He knows full well that Manny is the one guy who could prevent that from happening. He even spoke of his fear of fighting Manny; fear of getting hurt. Manny is that guy to Mayweather. Give Manny the fight of his life, which is what Manny vs Mayweather in Vegas for all the marbles would be, and Manny will unleash a full-on assault on Mayweather the likes of which "Money" has never even imagined.

Mayweather is a cynical, calculating businessman. He wants no part of Manny's sort of crazy.

[LTS TRN 2]

And you saw Marquez reaarange Pac's face for the third time and get jobbed as usual? And...you saw Mayweather destroy Marquez? And..you think Cotto was somehow washed up when Mayweather reaaranged his face? Bottom line is that Pac pulled out of the deal, not Mayweather. Right now Mayweather is apparently remanded to 23-hr seclusion from the general population--and his spokesman insists this could end his career. Sounds silly but it's beside the point that you clearly don't understand just how great a phenomenon he is. So is pac, but there'll be no more wading in like Ricky Hatton--so the devastating rocket attack KO parade of Pac is over--if you hadn't noticed.

[Van]

Mayweather is simply attempting to pull a Leonard.

[LTS TRN 2]

I see your boxing acumen is about that of your guitar appreciation. Leonard didn't dodge Hagler, first, you've got that mixed up. The lighter guy can't be accused of dodging in the first place, especially when it's a whole division. But more, it's apples and oranges--and you don't seem to acknowledge that Pac's game is great but can be largely neutralized by not wading in. And you seem to be in stubborn denial over the freakish level of Mayweather's whole game. What, his silly character? His ugly girlfriend?

This is how big Pacman's package is..(don't drop the soap, honey)...

[Van]

Leonard has admitted on many occasions that he dodged Hagler for quite a long time, waiting until Hagler showed signs of slowing down before he would even attempt to tangle with him.

Nick, don't bother. Not with sports, not with guitar, not with common sense or basic critical thinking. You get curbstomped every time. Just stick to what you do best: amorphous aphorisms resplendent of nothing. Maybe you can mix in another "palsied forum" reference to bewitch the easily bedazzled.

[LTS TRN 2]

Let's see where Leonard admitted any such thing. Total bullshit. He may have avoided Prior, but you seem in some drugged lock-step denial of the basic fact that Leonard was in no way obligated to move up--no fighter is. How plastered are you? What about the previous fights of Pac and Mayweather--oh yeah, you saw nothing, know nothing and have only your usual tired pawings. How fucking sad.

[Van]

If you're not even aware that Leonard admitted to it in his tell-all book where he admitted to his childhood abuse and drug abuse during his career, well, just move along. You're not worth the time. Hell, apparently your TV doesn't work either.

[LTS TRN 2]

Look, "Van," you're pissing on your own leg. Sugar Ray Leonard has nothing to do with the basic matter at hand--that Mayweather will destroy Pac and that's why the FIX WAS IN..or are you really not paying attention. One more fight from Pac, very similar to this one but with the correct decision. That's it. Now go listen to Govan--I dare you.