SEC - QB Conference?

Van · Post by **Van** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:32 pm

There isn't a single guy on that list who scares anyone.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:36 pm

For realz?

The first 3 guys you mention are decent. Not "great," but decent.

If you're really going to compare that list to Jordan Wynn, Jeff Tuel (in Leach's system), Keith Price, and Matt Freaking Barkley... then you need help.

Hell, Zach Maynard, the guy who has M2 pulling his hair out on a weekly basis put up numbers that hang with the best the NOQB Conference has to offer.

Either of Oregon's inexperienced QBs are bettr than any of those guys.

SECBSH at his finest.

Van · Post by **Van** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:39 pm

Just because AJ McCarron can manage not to fuck up twelve completely unharrassed eight-yard curl routes, you think he's a "high quality QB"? Dude, it's the Tebow Factor all over again. When the defense is totally selling out to stop the run, it's not that difficult to complete the occasional low-risk pass to a wide-open receiver.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:42 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:A.J. McCarron (laugh if you want, but you're gonna be stunned at the #s he puts up this year)

Don't know about his upcoming numbers, but based on numbers we actually have, he would have ranked #11 in the PAC last season.

This thread is pure comedy.

Brag about your defenses, or your championships, or some area where you actually have some BODE... cause this one ain't it.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:46 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:The Oregon QBs haven't done a thing yet, so what are you basing your thinking on?

Bennett was arguably better than household-name Derron Thomas in his games last year... and it looks like he'll get beat out by the guy that's been groomed for the job.

Both of whom are better than any QB in the SEC. Murray is definitely the best of a very medicre crop.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:47 pm

BTW -- pass-happy Tyler Wilson would have been the 4th ranked PAC QB.

The more I think about this, the sillier it gets.

Van · Post by **Van** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:49 pm

As an aside...

Amid all the talk of scandals and sanctions and basic ugliness, how great is it to be talking actual college football again?

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:51 pm

Van wrote:There isn't a single guy on that list who scares anyone.

Yeah, Murray is probably the best of the bunch when you consider talent, experience and NFL potential, but MSU's D handled him pretty well.

Generally speaking, it seems like the Big 12 tends to produce the best QBs.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:55 pm

Van wrote:As an aside...

Amid all the talk of scandals and sanctions and basic ugliness, how great is it to be talking actual college football again?

Some of us are talking CFB -- Sam's letting his delusions manifest themselves on the interwebs.

BTW, Sam -- the B1G called, and they think you're thread is really funny, too.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:58 pm

Sam, YOU ROCK!!!!

Sin,
Landry Jones, Collen Klein, Casey Pachall, et al (all three would be the est QB in the SEC, if they played there)

Van · Post by **Van** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:04 pm

Papa Willie wrote:Barkley will go high in the draft and end up like the rest of the USC QB's - average at very best.

Until he blew out his knee against Pittsburgh, Carson Palmer was a multi-time Pro Bowler approaching elite status.

Go Coogs' · Post by **Go Coogs'** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:27 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Yeah, Murray is probably the best of the bunch when you consider talent, experience and NFL potential, but MSU's D handled him pretty well.

Generally speaking, it seems like the Big 12 tends to produce the best QBs.

Murray is legit. He'd be #2 playing against PAC12 competition and playing with PAC12 offenses.

It's an apples to apples comparison anyways. I'm sure if you traded out all PAC12 QBs with SEC QBs, all the former SEC QBs numbers would go up based on the style of play in the PAC12. And all the former PAC12 QBs numbers would go down based on SEC's style of play. The QB is not necessarily what makes them more talented than another QB in another conference.

I believe McCarron has the potential to be very good, but he isn't "scary" by any stretch.

My list of scary QBs in the entire nation:

Tajh Boyd - CLEM
Logan Thomas - VT
Teddy Bridgewater - LOU
Denard Robinson - MICH
Geno Smith - WVU
Landry Jones - OU
Collin Klien - KSU
Matt Barkley - USC
Keith Price - UW
Aaron Murray - Georgia
Tyler Wilson - ARK
Derek Carr - Fresno St
Brett Smith - Wyoming
Alex Carder - WMU

Van · Post by **Van** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:45 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:Sam, YOU ROCK!!!!

Sin,
Landry Jones, Collen Klein, Casey Pachall, et al (all three would be the est QB in the SEC, if they played there)
You just reinforced my point.

No, he basically destroyed your point.

I didn't say the SEC had THE best QB (Barkley) or even 3 of the best in the country. I suggested that no one has the numbers of quality QBs that the SEC finally enjoys this year.

Except you offered no evidence that the SEC actually has any quality QBs this year. All you did was list a bunch of names of QBs who haven't shown much in the way of quality QB play. Oh, and you mentioned that perhaps this year AJ McCarron might actually be allowed to do so.

Listen, I'm the first to admit the SEC hasn't been a QB-producing juggernaut for some time. But who has 6-8 guys the quality of the SEC this year?

Hmmmmmmm?

The Pac 12, the B1G, and the Big XII.

Van · Post by **Van** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:46 pm

Go Coogs' wrote:It's an apples to apples comparison anyways.

:doh:

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:26 pm

EJ Manuel, Taj Boyd, Logan Thomas, and Jacory Harris got a good laugh out of this thread.

Van · Post by **Van** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:31 pm

Well, sure, after they had someone else read it to 'em.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:34 pm

Thinking about this, Sam...

The SEC might be deeper at QB than the Big Least (since they only have about 7 of them).

Among the BCS conferences, that's the only one the SEC should be mentioned in the same breath as.

The other 4 all KILL the SEC in terms of QBs.

I looked at last year's stats, and couldn't stop laughing that you even thought to post such ridiculous tripe.

Go Coogs' · Post by **Go Coogs'** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:45 pm

Van wrote:
Go Coogs' wrote:It's an apples to apples comparison anyways.
:doh:

Bwah! I just realized what I did there.

Go Coogs' · Post by **Go Coogs'** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:46 pm

Dinsdale wrote:EJ Manuel, Taj Boyd, Logan Thomas, and Jacory Harris got a good laugh out of this thread.

You're an idiot if you think Boyd and Thomas don't scare you.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:47 pm

Last year the Big Ten was much stronger in the QB department. Wilson, Cousins and Persa all graduated. This year? Not so much. A lot of youth and a lot of girly-armed dual threat types. James Vandenberg and Andrew Maxwell (showing my bias) are probably the two best pro-style guys, and Vandenberg ain't gonna wow you with much of anything. Maxwell has been in the program for like 14 years but is still unproven as a starter. Haven't seen much of Danny O'Brien yet, so I'm withholding judgement on him.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:47 pm

Sam, click this:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/s ... 11&sort=21

Click on a category, any one you like, whichever QB measure you think means the most, then look down the list...

And then maybe you can figure out why you clowned yourself, and the rest of us are in utter disbelief that the SECBSH is such a deluded fuck.

Just... unbelievable.

But I'm sure SECBSH doesn't see this as a quintessential example of SEC perception clouding reasonable judgement, and the benefits they gain from such deluded thinking.

Again, why don't you brag up defenses, or some other area where you actually have a leg to stand on?

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:49 pm

Go Coogs' wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:EJ Manuel, Taj Boyd, Logan Thomas, and Jacory Harris got a good laugh out of this thread.
You're an idiot if you think Boyd and Thomas don't scare you.

Uhm...

I'd say listing those guys as evidence that the ACC is a better QB conference than the SEC is an apples-to-apples comparison.

Going to go for a trifecta in this thread? Trying to steal Sam's spotlight here?

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:56 pm

Jacory Harris fucking blows.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:57 pm

I thought Harris was returning?

Regardless, he's better than McCarron.

And you've done no such thing. You listed one good QB, two average ones, and a bunch of done-nothings.

Why don't you back this up with say... some facts? You know, like stats or something.

Oh, wait -- I already did that.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it think, I guess.

The only objective measure we have is last season's stats. LOOK AT THEM. SEC QB's are the laughingstock of the country... good thing there's great defenses and running games, or the Mountain West rolls you all day long.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:07 pm

I'm not going to base too much on speculative eyeball-tests (although it's August, so it's a good test).

I'm just going on factual data that's readily available... and it severely contradicts your claims... in epic fashion.

But that's some nice SECnology you have going there -- because you think the SEC might have 7-8 guys that play well, based on nothing but pure speculation, that means they're deeper than the PAC, which is bringing back depth at QB, yet SECBSH is unable to engage in the same speculation that maybe the less experienced guys in the PAC (or any other conference) will enjoy the same rise in stature that you're convinced the SEC QBs will.

Catching on to why we're laughing yet, SECBSH?

It would be a lot funnier if the media didn't suffer from the same logical fallacies that you do.

Van · Post by **Van** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:15 pm

Go Coogs' wrote:
Van wrote:
Go Coogs' wrote:It's an apples to apples comparison anyways.
:doh:
Bwah! I just realized what I did there.

Van · Post by **Van** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:17 pm

Go Coogs' wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:EJ Manuel, Taj Boyd, Logan Thomas, and Jacory Harris got a good laugh out of this thread.
You're an idiot if you think Boyd and Thomas don't scare you.

Going for the exacta of :doh: now?

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:52 pm

don't know how James Franklin will be for Mizzou this year. if he hadn't injured his shoulder in the spring, he'd knock every SEC defender into the second round of the draft. there would be shame across the south from people who couldn't hang with James. but hs injury got me worried. that and the fucking injury every single OLineman has right now.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:27 pm

Something else to keep in mind is that Jordan Jefferson wowed lots of people at last year's camps.

Sam, just about every QB at the D1 level can make the throws and look decent in shorts and a t-shirt. It's when the whistle blows, the defense comes at them and quick decisions need to be made that they have to shine.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:11 pm

OK, one more time for the SEC Folk...

Why is straight-up, pure speculation that some guys might play well this coming season only applicable to SEC QBs? Doesn't that same logic apply to... let's say... EVERY OTHER CONFERENCE?

Take your time, and think about your answer before you submit it, Sam (and I'll give you a hint -- there is no "good answer," except "I'm sorry, I was acting the SECBSH Idiot").

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:27 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:No conference has 6-8 QBs as solid as the SEC this year.

You know as much about QBs in other conferences as southerners do about diet & exercise.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:39 pm

"6-8 solid QBs" means that 2 pretty good ones return, one mediocre one returns, and some people think 5 of them might play well, even though they never have before?

But when some people think that conferences not named SEC might have some unknowns play well also, that's invalid, and they're not "deep" like the SEC, based on the exact same speculation, even though at least 4 other BCS conferences bring back much bettr QBs.

Am I mssing something here... like the SECBSHs' ability to put on the moron-colored glasses?

Van · Post by **Van** » Sat Aug 18, 2012 6:10 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:Jordan Jefferson wowed himself at the Manning Camp.

It was hardly just himself. Lots of people coming out of that one camp (I think it was even the Peyton/Eli camp) were singing his praises, warning of the monster year he was going to have.

Tyler Bray (a Cali kid) has all the potential in the world. Tyler Wilson is a stud. Mettenberger is GOD apparently. McCarron is going downfield this year with his repaired arm. Kiehl Frazier at Auburn is the second coming of Cam Newton...so I'm told by all the Aubs around here.

Nothing but potential. Every D1 QB has potential. Potential alone doesn't make them quality QBs.

No conference has 6-8 QBs as solid as the SEC this year.

Three or four do. The SEC's QBs haven't shown anything yet. If you're going to call them "quality" and "solid" just for their potential, then you have to do that for everyone else too.

The PAC has some excellent QBs. So does the ACC. But not the depth of quality QBing that you'll see this year in the SEC.

What we're going to see in the SEC this year is more of the same: primitive smashmouth football. The passing numbers SEC QBs put up will again be dwarfed by those put up by QBs in other major conferences, particularly the Big XII and Pac 12.

Is it the schemes? Is it the lack of quality QBs in the SEC? Chicken or egg? Regardless, we aren't going to see any unusual spike in the quality of play from SEC QBs. If anything, what with there being so many rookies taking over the position, we're going to see a marked drop-off in production.

This ain't SECBSHism!

Yes, it is. You're gushing over the quality of your QBs based on nothing but their perceived potential, even going so far as to say your conference has the best overall talent at the position, and you're not applying that same silly thinking to any other conference.

That's pure SECBSH-ism.

Why is any comment about something good about the SEC immediately dismissed as SECBSHing? :grin:

Because we're not idiots. It usually is precisely what it appears to be.

We actually have some good QBs for a change, goddammit!

That remains to be seen. Show it on the field. Put up some real numbers, then talk.

It's about fucking time. I'm gonna enjoy it.

What you're going to enjoy are a whole bunch of defensive struggles with inept offensive play featuring stone-aged passing attacks, the same as most every year. You're going to enjoy watching really big and fast defensive front sevens terrorizing those primitive offenses, the same as every year. You're going to get giddy at the mere sight of your QB completing two eleven-yard seam routes to the TE...the same as every year.

You're then going to gush over how much better they look this year and how much betterer they're going to be next year, exactly as you do every year.

M2 · Post by M2 » Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:42 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:
No conference has 6-8 QBs as solid as the SEC this year.

This ain't SECBSHism!

I'd think this is some sorta joke... but knowing it's coming from an SECBSH I know he's dead serious.

Do you even own a television set that carries games from other conferences ???

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:24 pm

I'm gonna defend Sam on this one...in the sweltering so cal heat, the levity he's providing is welcome.

I will put the stats at season's end of the RS Freshman Hundley against any of the SEC...finally rid of most of the Skippy stench, this kid was a nice 5* and the 3rd ranked nationally from his class...which combined with his speed and the hurry up offense, will make some in the U&L wonder how he got away....

Van · Post by **Van** » Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:45 pm

You know, I could be wrong, but that really didn't seem much like a defense of Sam.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:45 pm

Back to McCarron. It's not that he "sucks," it's that nobody really knows anything about him. Could he be some all-world stud? Maybe, but we don't know because he's never really had his mettle tested. He has the luxury of playing behind the best offensive line in college football, and his primary job is to receive the snap and place the ball into the RB's ribcage without fumbling, and occasionally complete a short pass to a wide open receiver out of play-action. Do that, and you can play QB at Alabama (Sup Greg McElroy?). In addition to that, he's got the luxury of a dominant defense that's rarely going to put him in tense situations. Let's see him run a two minute drill and go 80 yards for the go-ahead TD late in the 4th quarter, then I'll tell you what I think of AJ McCarron. But, he likely won't be faced with any such adversity this year, and maybe that's unfair to him, but it's also a pretty damn nice position to be in.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:50 pm

Wait. Aren't Greg McElroy and AJ McCarron the same person?

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 4:40 pm

We don't know that your guys are "super studs." You're still merely in the hoping stage. You haven't seen many of them throw a single pass during a game that counts.

Meanwhile, yes, we'll definitely be calling guys like Barkley and Landry the superior QBs because they've proven it time and again while handling much greater workloads including far more sophisticated passing attacks. There is zero doubt that those guys are better, the fact of which will be confirmed not only by their towering production but also by the clearly stated opinions of NFL GMs within the first dozen or so selections of the draft.

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:29 pm

Van wrote:
Sudden Sam wrote:Listen, I'm the first to admit the SEC hasn't been a QB-producing juggernaut for some time. But who has 6-8 guys the quality of the SEC this year?

Hmmmmmmm?
The Pac 12, the B1G, and the Big XII.

^^^^^^^^^^
This.

Spent some time out on the InterWebs yesterday looking to see if there was any validity Sam's contention. The consenus appears to be that, while better than in recent years, the quarterback play in the SEC will still finish a distant fourth to the three conferences you listed, Van.

Still trying to figure out how quarterback play, good or otherwise, even relates to the SEC. Hell, I'm not convinced these people even play offense in this league...

I was amused to read, however, the surprise of many who post on SEC homer-boards of James Franklin's production. Of course, none of his 36 tuddies last season came at the expense of an SEC defense...