2016: Obama's America

[Bizzarofelice]

Where do you see any evidence of 88 throwing a tantrum, or playing it any less cool than you are?

I felt no need to insult. then he did.

simple stuff.

Are you saying your usual 1-3 sentence responses are not lacking in depth?

For all the vitriol and bluster of the people here it doesn't take much judo to unravel their stupidity. I isolate specific items, address those, and show the remainder of their 500 word diatribe to be silly. Pretty easy considering most of the arguments here are usually ten words of an actual point, a hundred words of smack that was played out in 2002 and another three hundred of shit they heard on Hannity the other day.

[Bizzarofelice]

I'm not sure it's possible for any filmaker to produce an "unbiased" documentary

a cogent point from the other side of the state. I will mark my calendar with a star.

[Moving Sale]

How in the hell did this guy get elected President without the voters knowing these things, and what the fuck was the Press doing in 2008?

I knew those things because 'the press' I listened to is not a bunch of hacks, unlike 'the press' you listened to.
Nice right wing talking point though Counselor.

Nice post 8842. Care to mix in an actual take?

[Goober McTuber]

Looks like the AP decided to rebut/respond to the assertions made by D'Souza in the movie (surprisingly, without requesting comment from President Obama):

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... 8-03-20-56

Thanks for the link. Kind of reinforces the notion that this "documenatry" was nothing but a hatchet piece designed to appeal to right wing nutjobs.

[Sirfindafold]

Looks like the AP decided to rebut/respond to the assertions made by D'Souza in the movie (surprisingly, without requesting comment from President Obama):

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... 8-03-20-56

Thanks for the link. Kind of reinforces the notion that this "documenatry" was nothing but a hatchet piece designed to appeal to right wing nutjobs.

Cause your a Kool-Aid drinking fool.

[The Seer]

[Goober McTuber]

Looks like the AP decided to rebut/respond to the assertions made by D'Souza in the movie (surprisingly, without requesting comment from President Obama):

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... 8-03-20-56

Thanks for the link. Kind of reinforces the notion that this "documenatry" was nothing but a hatchet piece designed to appeal to right wing nutjobs.

I think that is precisely what the AP wanted you to conclude.

Do you dispute any of the points they made?

[Goober McTuber]

And you probably consider those to be documentaries, you wetbrained fucktard.

[The Seer]

Nah, but when you & your ilk get hot flashes because some renegade producer was able to get a movie made that wasn't the typical hollywood lefty mantra hit piece, you can consider it a gesture toward scale....and fortunately in your case you're old enough to not have to spend a fortune on tampons, last word cunt.

[Screw_Michigan]

No one from the Press has asked Obama any of the questions that D'Souza says the Press should have asked Obama.

So I guess if Orly Taitz says the "Press" should go ask Obama this, this and that, they should drop everything and do it?

[Goober McTuber]

Nah, but when you & your ilk get hot flashes because some renegade producer was able to get a movie made that wasn't the typical hollywood lefty mantra hit piece, you can consider it a gesture toward scale....and fortunately in your case you're old enough to not have to spend a fortune on tampons, last word cunt.

Hot flashes? You have a vivid imagination, to go along with the rest of your marginally functional brain lump. Ironic that one of the stupidest motherfuckers that posts here calls himself The Seer.

[Goober McTuber]

Do you dispute any of the points they made?

I can't. No one from the Press has asked Obama any of the questions that D'Souza says the Press should have asked Obama. Thus, in the absence of any facts that refute the admittedly speculative assertions made by D'Souza, I find the AP's response to be "almost entirely subjective and a logical stretch at best."

In Hawaii, D'Souza asserts with no evidence, Obama sympathized with native Hawaiians who felt they had been marginalized by the American government when Hawaii was becoming a state. D'Souza also asserts - again with no evidence - that Obama had been coached to hold those views at Punahou, the prestigious prep school he attended in Honolulu.

"Oppression studies, if you will. Obama got plenty of that when he was here in Punahou," D'Souza says, standing on the campus.

So you want the AP to ask Obama if he received "oppression studies?"

In Kenya, D'Souza interviews Philip Ochieng, a lifelong friend of the president's father, who claims the elder Obama was "totally anti-colonial." Ochieng also discloses some of his own political views, complaining about U.S. policy in Afghanistan and Iraq and saying the U.S. refuses to "tame" Israel, which he calls a "Trojan horse in the Middle East." D'Souza seems to suggest that if a onetime friend of Obama's late father holds those opinions, so too must the president himself.

And the AP should ask Obama if he's anti-colonial? And if a friend of your father believes unicorns exist, then you too, 88, must believe in unicorns. I never took you for one of the tin-foil hat brigade.


And what of these so-called facts. Aside from the first (Obama should be taken to task regarding the debt), do you really believe the press needs to ask Obama if any of these "facts" are true?

D'Souza then goes through a list of actions Obama has taken as president to support his thesis. Many of them don't hold water:

- D'Souza rightly argues that the national debt has risen to $16 trillion under Obama. But he never mentions the explosion of debt that occurred under Obama's predecessor, Republican George W. Bush, nor the 2008 global financial crisis that provoked a shock to the U.S. economy.

- D'Souza says Obama is "weirdly sympathetic to Muslim jihadists" in Afghanistan and Pakistan. He does not mention that Obama ordered the raid that killed Osama bin Laden and the drone strikes that have killed dozens of terrorists in the region.

-D'Souza wrongly claims that Obama wants to return control of the Falkland Islands from Britain to Argentina. The U.S. refused in April to endorse a final declaration on Argentina's claim to the islands at the Summit of the Americas, provoking criticism from other Latin American nations.

-D'Souza says Obama has "done nothing" to impede Iran's nuclear ambitions, despite the severe trade and economic sanctions his administration has imposed on Iran to halt its suspected nuclear program. Obama opposes a near-term military strike on Iran, either by the U.S. or Israel, although he says the U.S. will never tolerate a nuclear-armed Iran.

- D'Souza says Obama removed a bust of British Prime Minister Winston Churchill from the Oval Office because Churchill represented British colonialism. White House curator William Allman said the bust, which had been on loan, was already scheduled to be returned before Obama took office. Another bust of Churchill is on display in the president's private residence, the White House says.

I've read enough about the movie to have little faith in it as a documentary. You can find plenty to criticize Obama about without going down this path. But anything to get the party faithful into a lather, I guess.

[The Seer]

Nah, but when you & your ilk get hot flashes because some renegade producer was able to get a movie made that wasn't the typical hollywood lefty mantra hit piece, you can consider it a gesture toward scale....and fortunately in your case you're old enough to not have to spend a fortune on tampons, last word cunt.

Hot flashes? You have a vivid imagination, to go along with the rest of your marginally functional brain lump. Ironic that one of the stupidest motherfuckers that posts here calls himself The Seer.

Anytime you wish to contest cerebral dexterity, Gomer...

[Goober McTuber]

Nah, but when you & your ilk get hot flashes because some renegade producer was able to get a movie made that wasn't the typical hollywood lefty mantra hit piece, you can consider it a gesture toward scale....and fortunately in your case you're old enough to not have to spend a fortune on tampons, last word cunt.

Hot flashes? You have a vivid imagination, to go along with the rest of your marginally functional brain lump. Ironic that one of the stupidest motherfuckers that posts here calls himself The Seer.

Anytime you wish to contest cerebral dexterity, Gomer...

I thought that was what we've been doing for the past 7 years, dumbfuck. You're obviously one of the dimmer bulbs on the T1B Christmas tree. And too stupid to recognize that fact.

[The Seer]

I thought

:xxxl:







another last word opportunity for the bitch

[M Club]

I'm not watching the film either, but assuming the AP article frame the Hindu's arguments correctly: Errrr?

"Ann separates Barry from Lolo's growing pro-Western influence," D'Souza says in the film. Obama has said his mother had sent him back to Hawaii so he would be educated in the United States.

In Hawaii, D'Souza asserts with no evidence that Obama sympathized with native Hawaiians who felt they had been marginalized by the American government when Hawaii was becoming a state. D'Souza also asserts - again with no evidence - that Obama had been coached to hold those views at Punahou, the prestigious prep school he attended.

Shelter him from Western influence by....sending him to be educated in the west?

In Kenya, D'Souza interviews Philip Ochieng, a lifelong friend of the president's father, who claims the elder Obama was "totally anti-colonial."

Can't believe a guy who grew up under the wrong side of colonialism for didn't end up a fan of the system. You'd almost think our own founding fathers would have had similar opinions.

[M Club]

[ it should only make you question whether the Press has been doing its job in a "fair and balanced" manner). D'Souza explains that there is a huge difference between anti-colonialism (e.g., the desire of citizens of a colony to be independent of a colonizing nation) and anti-neocolonicalism (e.g., the belief that "superpower" countries unfairly utilize their economic power to force their world views and culture on third world nations, and also unfairly extract their natural resources, without actually taking colonizing the third world nations in the traditional sense, and should thus be brought down a peg so that it is more fair).

Is there really a difference from the POV of those on the wrong end of either colonialism or neocolonialism? Fucked in the ass or fucked in the butt, basically.

What is fair and balanced, exactly? Can't tell you of many progressives who are particularly enthusiastic about the MSM, unless you fully expect them to convene a panel of specialists to search Romney's past for psychological clues as to why he just can't lay out specific policy proposals.

[LTS TRN 2]

Do you dispute any of the points they made?

Indeed, their points are thoroughly disputed and refuted. I've watched it and it is of course shameless in its sprawling lies and rash conjectures. It's basically Karl Rove 101, where the ideology of the filmmakers justifies any sort of bald lying (repeatedly of course) and invention. While it's true that Barry is the most mysterious president, there's nothing whatsoever to suggest any of the implications in the film. The idea that he's a "socialist" is comical at best. In fact he's bent over for the insurance, oil, and military industries more than any other president in history. And that's a real fact. As it is the astonishingly stupid and dangerous robots like Mittens and Ryan are much worse if based only on what they promise.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

...Orly Taitz...

When you hear of a woman named "Orly Taitz", you instinctively reach for your zipper to give your sausage a good pummeling...


...but then you actually see her pic and...well...


...not so much.

:(

[Mikey]

...Orly Taitz...

When you hear of a woman named "Orly Taitz", you instinctively reach for your zipper to give your sausage a good pummeling...

No. You do.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

okay

[Screw_Michigan]

When you hear of a woman named "Orly Taitz", you instinctively reach for your zipper to give your sausage a good pummeling...

[M Club]

What is fair and balanced, exactly? Can't tell you of many progressives who are particularly enthusiastic about the MSM, unless you fully expect them to convene a panel of specialists to search Romney's past for psychological clues as to why he just can't lay out specific policy proposals.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestof ... ney-hs.cnn

Oh, they sat some psychologist down to justify Mitt's flat out lie that he doesn't remember constantly bullying some gay kid then organizing a mob to cut his hair. How very liberal of them.

It's an absolute myth that the press didn't investigate Obama's background. Say "we still don't know who Barack Obama is" enough times and you can pretend you can't find this after four seconds of Google:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01620.html


Or even a discussion of what clues his Constitutional Law courses might hold for guessing his stance on policies:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01620.html


Probably know more biographical information about Obama than just about any other POTUS.

[LTS TRN 2]

The mystery which still surrounds Barry is just who cultivated and raised him to the fast track to the White House. We know for example just who was pulling the strings on the hollow puppet of Reagan, and too the powers behind the chimp were fairly clear. In the case of Barry the image of a "progressive" was carefully rolled out and adorned, however his actions have proven this to be a startling fake out. And that's as unprecedented as anything in presidential history. The braying morons of the GOP nonwithstanding, it's clear that Barry is in fact a hardline corporate/militarist shill. He's initiated more oil drilling than any other president, given far more handouts to big business than any president ever, and has increased the military budget to its highest level in the history of our planet.

Okay? Barry is very mysterious. The hit piece by D'Souza is so utterly off the mark as to boggle the mind of a sponge. He's completely backwards and we really have to wonder if he's in any way serious--or just a shill himself.

[Goober McTuber]

Wow, 88, that link is much more interesting (and probably much more credible) than the cartoon you started this thread with. I will definitely be ordering that book. Thanks much.

[Goober McTuber]

Wow, 88, that link is much more interesting (and probably much more credible) than the cartoon you started this thread with. I will definitely be ordering that book. Thanks much.

I'm finished with my copy. If you want to save some ducats, PM me your addy and I'll send it your way free of charge.

Awfully generous of you, but I'll probably look to download it from my public library, in order to utilize my new tablet that I barely know how to turn on.

[Van]

Except for the Tolkein stuff I always part with my books, immediately exchanging them at the used book store for a stack of new ones. Why would I keep 'em? Where in the hell would I put 'em all?

[Screw_Michigan]

Except for the Tolkein stuff I always part with my books, immediately exchanging them at the used book store for a stack of new ones. Why would I keep 'em? Where in the hell would I put 'em all?

Exactly. Saving books is for women. But all those CDs and albums? Get them the fuck out of here now!

[Goober McTuber]

At my age, I now save any book I read and enjoy. A year from now I'll pick it up and it will seem to be a brand new book.

[Van]

Club was just plain nasty.

[Van]

Oui.

I mean, I get that.

[Goober McTuber]

Oui.

I mean, I get that.

Oh, please Oui was Club for your grandpa.

[LTS TRN 2]

I'm actually almost astonished as I watch this weird hit piece in detail. D'Souza's flaws are too many to list as far as basic journalism, but the main fault which clearly emerges is his own egotism. He basically makes the entire piece a comparison of Barry and himself. Utterly bizarre since D'Souza is a figure of no consequence at all. He's like a third-rate George Will. The tactics of the film are so slimy and sleazy as to be quite normal in the Tea Bagger agenda. But here's a question I can't figure out: why the title "2016"? What, when Hillary steps up for her turn?

[Goober McTuber]

Obama responds to D'Souza:

http://www.barackobama.com/truth-team/e ... s-record-a

The success of the film must be making his team feel a bit nervous.

Or perhaps they just want people to have a little context. You know, so people know that D’Souza is a lying fucking liar.

D’Souza’s “2016” draws largely from his 2010 book “The Roots of Obama’s Rage,” and related columns, writings that have also been extensively mocked and lambasted by commentators of all partisan stripes. Columbia Journalism Review described it as “the worst kind of smear journalism—a singularly disgusting work.” Conservative blogger and professor of theology R.R. Reno slammed D’Souza’s argument, which insinuates that President Obama is not a true American because he is “captive to the ideology of [Kenyan] Luo tribesman from the ‘50s,” as “both unwarranted and misguided.”

That his writings and film are based on lies should not come as a surprise to anyone given D’Souza’s long history of attempting to add a veneer of intellectual respectability to fringe theories, conspiratorial fear-mongering, and flat-out falsehoods. For example:

•D’Souza falsely claimed that President Obama said he didn’t believe in American exceptionalism—when in fact the President has repeatedly praised America’s exceptional identity and core values.

•D’Souza falsely asserted that President Obama funded $2 billion in Brazilian oil exploration even though numerous fact checkers and reporters have noted that President Obama had “nothing to do with the loan.”

•D’Souza falsely charged that President Obama backed Scotland’s release of the Lockerbie bomber only weeks after the Obama administration had put out a statement opposing Scotland’s decision to return Abdelbaset al-Megrahi to Libya and sent a letter to the Scottish government raising the administration’s strong objection.

•D’Souza even claimed that President Obama passed the bank bailouts when the facts clearly show that it was President Bush who signed the Troubled Asset Relief Program into law in October 2008.

[LTS TRN 2]

Yeah, I figured that's all he meant--what Barry hath wrought! But it's such a boulevard of fraudulent right wing hackdom eating its own vomit. There's too much to skewer but consider the piece's most inverted (diabolic, really) thrust--describing the development of the national security state following WWII as though Gore Vidal were writing it...and then slowly but steadily waltzing the whole proposition around to fully support the whole John Wayne American Exceptionalism bullshit as well as the entire proposition of America as the world's military empire. D'Souza and his demented ilk are completely insane, and while Barry has gone far beyond the wettest dreams of Cheney in terms of fellating the pentagon and dissecting the Bill of Rights, he's still better than the Robots. And that's quite fucked indeed.

[Goober McTuber]

88,

To address your points in order:

The fact that Obama says that the United States has used more than its fair share of the worlds resources would not necessarily contradict a viewpoint that America has an exceptional identity and core values. BTW, nice to see the obsession with Clinton continues.

Regarding the Brazilian loan, I don’t know whether to believe that Obama wrote the check, or simply did not oppose the loan. But why did “numerous fact checkers and reporters” find it necessary to determine that President Obama had “nothing to do with the loan”?

I think the Megrahi letter definitely opposed his release;

The United States is not prepared to support Megrahi's release on compassionate release or bail. We understand that Scottish authorities are ensuring that Megrahi receives quality medical treatment, including palliative care, while incarcerated. The United States maintains its view that in light of the scope of Megrahi's crime, its heinous nature, and its continued and devastating impact on the victims and their families, it would be most appropriate for Megrahi to remain imprisoned for the entirety of his sentence. This was the understanding and expectation at the time arrangements were made for his trial in Scottish Court in the Netherlands, were he or his confederate to be convicted and their appeals upheld.

Just to clarify your attemt at obfuscation, the TARP quote said nothing about Obama’s interpretation of TARP, just a correction as to who signed it into law. In no way did I ever support what they did with TARP. The banks should have been allowed to fail, and their officers sent to prison.

Again:

D’Souza’s “2016” draws largely from his 2010 book “The Roots of Obama’s Rage,” and related columns, writings that have also been extensively mocked and lambasted by commentators of all partisan stripes. Columbia Journalism Review described it as “the worst kind of smear journalism—a singularly disgusting work.” Conservative blogger and professor of theology R.R. Reno slammed D’Souza’s argument, which insinuates that President Obama is not a true American because he is “captive to the ideology of [Kenyan] Luo tribesman from the ‘50s,” as “both unwarranted and misguided.”

Sounds like many true conservatives recognize D'Souza as a nutcase. But he still appeals to the wild-eyed teabaggers.

And no matter what you say, I'm still voting for Romney.

[poptart]

Now Barry says he was born to a single mom.

ummm....










That's not what the supposed BC says - and that's not what the narrative has been.

[mvscal]

I think the Megrahi letter definitely opposed his release;

The United States is not prepared to support Megrahi's release on compassionate release or bail. We understand that Scottish authorities are ensuring that Megrahi receives quality medical treatment, including palliative care, while incarcerated. The United States maintains its view that in light of the scope of Megrahi's crime, its heinous nature, and its continued and devastating impact on the victims and their families, it would be most appropriate for Megrahi to remain imprisoned for the entirety of his sentence. This was the understanding and expectation at the time arrangements were made for his trial in Scottish Court in the Netherlands, were he or his confederate to be convicted and their appeals upheld.

That's pretty weak tea, I'd have to say. That's the most forceful protest we could muster?

Just to clarify your attemt at obfuscation, the TARP quote said nothing about Obama’s interpretation of TARP, just a correction as to who signed it into law.

And who voted it into law? He was a US Senator. I understand that it's easy to forget his occasional cameo appearances.

[Goober McTuber]

Well yeah, mvscal, I understand that had you written the response to Scotland, it would have been a lot more forceful and entertaining, calling the Scottish authorities gibbering dumbfucks and whatnot.