how soon we forget

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:09 pm

9/11 - the 11th anniversary.

Maybe people are tired of it, just ready to move on, let the wounds heal, all that happy horseshit.

Fuck that noise.

As long as I'm alive, I'll never forget... any more than I'll forget Pearl Harbor and that happened 20 years before I was born.

I hope 50-100 years from now, Americans won't forget - and as Derron might say, vow to send those who might try such an act again to hell with a slab of bacon wired between their teeth.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:22 pm

Who forgot?

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:26 pm

as Derron might say

Lost me.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:41 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
as Derron might say
Lost me.

No might say about it. I specifically said that and posted it on 9-11-2001, and Wags ran with it. Still mean it today.

Just got back from our local observance of 9-11 put on by the local Fire Department, of which I am a former member. Still pretty moving every year.

These police and fireman had brass balls to run into this danger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cJ-HQi4ZcI

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 5:44 pm

Indeed, how soon we forget that burning jet fuel doesn't melt steel, and that total incompetent novices can't suddenly fly a jetliner liner like Chuck Yeager, and that an unscathed passport of one of the alleged "terrorists" lying on the ground by the rubble is so absurdly impossible that one would need to be effectively hypnotized to believe it.

Wake the fuck up, we've been hijacked.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:01 pm

Derron wrote:I specifically said that and posted it on 9-11-2001

Yep, and every anniversary since.

One of the few things that you and I are in total agreement on.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:14 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Indeed, how soon we forget that burning jet fuel doesn't melt steel, and that total incompetent novices can't suddenly fly a jetliner liner like Chuck Yeager, and that an unscathed passport of one of the alleged "terrorists" lying on the ground by the rubble is so absurdly impossible that one would need to be effectively hypnotized to believe it

Even a tard like yourself could prolly fly a 767 into the WTC on a calm clear morning with just a few hours of Microsoft's Flight Sim time. Just dial in the altitude hold around 800 feet and with a little rudder work you go boom. What you wouldn't be able to do would be to introduce yourself to the waitstaff without wetting yourself.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:34 pm

88 wrote:To a group of families who lost loved ones on 9/11, Biden says "It is a bittersweet moment for the entire nation."

I wonder what he thinks the "sweet" part is/was.

When Obama exacted payback on Bin Laden.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:37 pm

88, my god, that is just embarrassing. Can these guys ever get a clue? I mean, seriously, all most politicians seem to live for is the opportunity to score points by marking somber occasions with saccharine speeches, so would it kill them to not completely screw the pooch once the cameras are trained on them during their blessed little moment?

Go Coogs' · Post by **Go Coogs'** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:40 pm

Left Seater wrote:
LTS TRN 2 wrote:Indeed, how soon we forget that burning jet fuel doesn't melt steel, and that total incompetent novices can't suddenly fly a jetliner liner like Chuck Yeager, and that an unscathed passport of one of the alleged "terrorists" lying on the ground by the rubble is so absurdly impossible that one would need to be effectively hypnotized to believe it

Thank you, Lefty.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 6:55 pm

Left Seater wrote:
LTS TRN 2 wrote:Indeed, how soon we forget that burning jet fuel doesn't melt steel, and that total incompetent novices can't suddenly fly a jetliner liner like Chuck Yeager, and that an unscathed passport of one of the alleged "terrorists" lying on the ground by the rubble is so absurdly impossible that one would need to be effectively hypnotized to believe it
Even a tard like yourself could prolly fly a 767 into the WTC on a calm clear morning with just a few hours of Microsoft's Flight Sim time. Just dial in the altitude hold around 800 feet and with a little rudder work you go boom. What you wouldn't be able to do would be to introduce yourself to the waitstaff without wetting yourself.

Actually flying even a smaller jet liner on a simulator is damn near impossible. And the so-called pilot of flight 77, 5' 2" Hani Hanjour, had NOT trained on a simulator and similarly had NOT even passed the simplest flight test of a small Cessna. The instructor--who is not dead or "off the record"--has maintained that he was skeptical that Hanjour could even drive a car. Okay? Now, let's consider the flight supposedly undertaken by Hanjour. After disposing of the 6'3" ex-marine pilot (and the co-pilot), presumably with a box cutter, Hanjour flew several hundred miles under the radar and without any maps--just eyeballing the trees and mountains--straight to the pentagon. But here it gets especially weird and impossible. Because of simply flying right into it Hanjour supposedly conducts an extremely difficult maneuver of a 360-degree loop so he can conveniently strike the part under construction on the other side. Supposedly he brings the plane in at fifteen feet off the ground right into the building--where a small hole is made which mysteriously consumes the entire plane--though one of the jet turbines is supposed to have penetrated fifty or sixty feet strait through several walls. Seriously, are you even aware of the basic impossibility of all this? Consider that a 757 CANNOT fly full speed so close to the ground (because of the lack of air pressure cause by the speed--it must brake and put the flaps up or it will immediately crash). And toss in the curious fact of all videos at the most secured area in the world being immediately and permanently impounded and sealed, and guess what....it's an inside job.

Now try to dispute this if you've got any sort of courage, or just curl up and pretend that Saddam was somehow behind it and we've basically done the right thing. Your choice.

ML@Coyote · Post by **ML@Coyote** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:20 pm

...Joe Biden is a fucking joke
Wow, I used to be able to drink
We got rained out, I mean shit
Why don’t you fuck off
Go suck dingleberry ass
A moment of silence please
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Check this graph out
Thank God for Carls Jr
I’d hire myself a good attorney
Kiss my ass, loser
With a slab of bacon wired between their teeth
He’s nothing but a fucking tea-bagger...

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:35 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote:
Actually flying even a smaller jet liner on a simulator is damn near impossible.

For a jerk off like you who has even mediocre motor skills, probably so.

supposedly conducts an extremely difficult maneuver of a 360-degree loop

Yeah, a real difficult process.

Consider that a 757 CANNOT fly full speed so close to the ground (because of the lack of air pressure cause by the speed--it must brake and put the flaps up or it will immediately crash).

Can you go ahead and explain this additionally ? Lack of air pressure because of speed ?? Really ?

Put the flaps up ? Brake ? You have a not surprising total ignorance of flight dynamics, but go ahead and rant some more. You are on the right troll track..

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:41 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote:
Now try to dispute this if you've got any sort of courage, or just curl up and pretend that Saddam was somehow behind it and we've basically done the right thing. Your choice.

Well since you have zero knowledge of what you pretend to be an expert in this will be quite easy.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Because of simply flying right into it Hanjour supposedly conducts an extremely difficult maneuver of a 360-degree loop so he can conveniently strike the part under construction on the other side.

First off there is a 5 year old in China that wants to help you with sentence structure. That aside, doing anything in 360 degrees would leave you on your original vector. So, no he didn't complete any 360 degree anything to impact the other side of the building.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Consider that a 757 CANNOT fly full speed so close to the ground (because of the lack of air pressure cause by the speed--it must brake and put the flaps up or it will immediately crash).

This is awesome. It must brake? Please tell us all how a 757 brakes.

Your lack of knowledge on slowing an airplane aside, you don't even understand basic flight physics. Flaps allow planes to lower the stall speed. So no pilot would "brake" and raise the flaps at the same time close to the ground. The next time (first time) you fly sit near the wing and watch what happens. As the plane approaches the runway the pilot will call for some degree of flaps and slats if so equipped. As the speed increases as the plane climbs the flaps will be retracted.

Furthermore there is something called ground effect. When flying at or below an altitude that is less than the plane's wingspan, there is a noticeable reduction in drag. Wingtip vortices are less common and the downwash is interrupted. The result is lower drag, which increases lift and speed of the plane.

So no a 757 flying fast near the ground will not immediately crash if it doesn't "brake" and put the flaps up. In fact the plane does just the opposite.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Actually flying even a smaller jet liner on a simulator is damn near impossible.

And you fail again on multiple levels. The larger the plane the easier it is to handle. A 757 will be much more stable thru light chop than will a 182 or Emb 145. As for flying a simulator without multiple emergencies, find a few elementary school kids and they will show you how it is done.

Hell, we knew you were a tard, but now we know you don't even have a basic understanding of physics.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:49 pm

War Wagon wrote:I hope 50-100 years from now, Americans won't forget - and as Derron might say, vow to send those who might try such an act again to hell with a slab of bacon wired between their teeth.

Sounds like shutyomouth heaven.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:51 pm

88 wrote:To a group of families who lost loved ones on 9/11, Biden says "It is a bittersweet moment for the entire nation."

I wonder what he thinks the "sweet" part is/was.

People coming together and working as a team. Especially in the two affected cities. Or did you miss that out in Ohio?

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 8:22 pm

We were supposed to see Gobbles McTubesteak on 9/11. We bought these by standing in line overnight for tickets, back when you could still do that.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:20 pm

88 wrote:To a group of families who lost loved ones on 9/11, Biden says "It is a bittersweet moment for the entire nation."

I wonder what he thinks the "sweet" part is/was.

He's probably looking forward to his afternoon pudding cup. Butterscotch on Tuesdays. Num, num, num...

ML@Coyote · Post by **ML@Coyote** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:01 pm

88 wrote:To a group of families who lost loved ones on 9/11, Biden says "It is a bittersweet moment for the entire nation."
I wonder what he thinks the "sweet" part is/was.

Thousands of once thriving human bodies crushed, burned, exploded, flying from windows to oblivian, over a decade of vile cancers, lung diseases, and post traumatic disorders, harrowing nightmares, year upon year of intensely destructive wars, young US servicemen being killed, burned, and dismembered, of innocent civilians being the same, zillions of precious US dollars being pissed away, unGodly loss of property and infrastructure, over and over tearful memorials where people recall the lives lost, never to be returned, a growing sum of thousands upon thousands of broken and battered lives, all supposedly rectified by the death of one fuckhead bearded kook...there has never been anything sweet about any of this. Nothing but bitterness as far as the eye can see.

Bucmonkey · Post by **Bucmonkey** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:02 pm

www.isidewith.com

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:07 pm

88 wrote:To a group of families who lost loved ones on 9/11, Biden says "It is a bittersweet moment for the entire nation."

I wonder what he thinks the "sweet" part is/was.

You missed the entire opening 30 second pre-amble where he explains how uplifting it is for Americans to be able to come together and show unity (sweet)...unfortunately as a response to a terrorist attack (bitter).

But I didn't miss it. Because I'm not a fucking imbecile.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:28 pm

Thanks for the cleanup on aisle seven, b-juice. Good job.

And props to SS for the nice spin job on Hanjour, the little pilot who really could if he just stuck with it.

Unfortunately his sudden ability to execute the 330 degree roll move is as ludicrous as the immediate permanent sealing of the videos surrounding the pentagon for their own protection, to preserve their "evidentiary value." And ...naturally no one will ever be allowed to see a single frame of a 757 actually striking the pentagon. And this is perfectly okay with you?

The interview with the flight instructor confirms Hanjour was NOT given any instruction following his being rejected back in '96, and conveniently leaves out his quote of doubting Hanjour's ability to drive a car. Go ahaed and root about some more and you'll find the actual instructor who DID give Hanjour a certificate--an Israeli fuckstain who disappeared for several years only to pop up and file a lawsuit. The more one looks at the whole event--every aspect--the more holes one finds in the official story. So don't pretend you've defended it or refuted anything. The innocent dead deserve your real vigilance.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Tue Sep 11, 2012 10:43 pm

So now LTS is attempting to educate an actual pilot...on the basics of flying planes.

Awesome.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:04 pm

Van wrote:Who forgot?

That was in reference to a NY Times article I read today that indicated many memorial events and observances had been scaled back or eliminated now that we're past the 10th anniversary.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:10 pm

88 wrote:Here is a video of the full speech. As is always the case, Biden comes off as a rambling idiot. He clearly recognizes that he is speaking at a solemn event. So he inserts his foot into his mouth much more slowly than is his custom.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/dorsey/joe-bide ... in-pennsyl

That is a fucking brilliant and moving oration. It was pitch perfect and absolutely appropriate. Only a moron would think it wrong on any level.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Sep 11, 2012 11:21 pm

Why do I doubt that you'd be giving it such flowery praise had John McCain, Sarah Palin or Paul Ryan made the exact same speech?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:32 am

Van wrote:Why do I doubt that you'd be giving it such flowery praise had John McCain, Sarah Palin or Paul Ryan made the exact same speech?

Why wouldn't I? It wasn't a political speech. It was like Reagan after Challenger. Low and gentle tones designed to evoke feeling. It was brilliant.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:08 am

https://vimeo.com/41369274

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:35 pm

Van wrote:Why do I doubt that you'd be giving it such flowery praise had John McCain, Sarah Palin or Paul Ryan made the exact same speech?

Why? You tired old moron, because they are incapable of expressing any real emotion or empathy--because they are toxic frauds of the first degree. Biden may make gaffes--like asking the wheelchair guy to stand up--but he can easily recover--as in that case--because his basic intent and approach is sincere and real. Unlike your idiotic and embarrassingly stupid comments.

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:35 pm

You're funny when you wildly flail about at phantoms.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:33 pm

Good stuff, "roach," but let's get back to remembering how much we've been asked to forget...

Like this..this testimony by two police officers undermines the official story, period. Dispute their credibility?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... lKov_UZDQE#!

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:19 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Good stuff, "roach," but let's get back to remembering how much we've been asked to forget...

Like this..this testimony by two police officers undermines the official story, period. Dispute their credibility?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... lKov_UZDQE#!

Your parody of reality is beyond overplayed - it's almost like you have to try to establish new boundaries of inanity....and I have to admit you are fighting the good fight....

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:56 pm

I watched a show on The History channel last night called "102 minutes that changed America". I think it had aired before but I had never seen any of it.

Basically, it was footage of 9/11 taken by average New Yorkers from different vantage points around the city. Pretty incredible stuff and they ran the entire 102 minute show sans commercials. I found it hard to tear myself away from the TV long enough to even take a piss.

Sure, it showed plenty of shots of the WTC burning, stuff we've all seen a thousand times by now. But what really struck me were the images taken of thousands of people looking up at the twin towering infernos, their horror stricken faces at what they couldn't believe they were witnessing. Looks of complete bewilderment and incomprehension, like it was all just a bad dream they couldn't wake up from.

1500 miles away, watching it happen on TV in the break room at work, I imagine I had the same sort of stupefied look on my face.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:06 am

The Seer wrote:
LTS TRN 2 wrote:Good stuff, "roach," but let's get back to remembering how much we've been asked to forget...

Like this..this testimony by two police officers undermines the official story, period. Dispute their credibility?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... lKov_UZDQE#!

Your parody of reality is beyond overplayed - it's almost like you have to try to establish new boundaries of inanity....and I have to admit you are fighting the good fight....

Well, Seer, beyond your rote and empty dismissal, I don't see you actually disputing that these are the real cops who witnessed the arrival of "flight 77" as described. Are you or not? You're vague. They're not. Nor are you acknowledging the significance of their observations. Wake the fuck up.

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:35 am

Yet another Kaczynski-style rant...

For the sake of the board, L-Ted...

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:03 am

War Wagon wrote:Basically, it was footage of 9/11 taken by average New Yorkers from different vantage points around the city. Pretty incredible stuff and they ran the entire 102 minute show sans commercials. I found it hard to tear myself away from the TV long enough to even take a piss.

Just as amazing to think about is how 9/11 was before the era of ubiquitous camera phones.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:43 am

88 wrote:What is the significance of their story?

C'mon tweedle dee, wakey wake. After properly laying the groundwork, starting at 6:00 the Official Story is revealed to be bullshit. And there are plenty more holes in the narrative besides this testimony. In fact, every single aspect of this astonishing crime is suspicious at best, from the stand down to the forensics, , buildings falling for no reason in controlled demolition, the lack of debris at the pentagon and the spread debris in Pa, the Magic Passport, the dancing Mossad operatives, the inside trading, the fact of Elliot Abrams and Henry Kissinger appointed to oversee the 9/11 Commission, and a hundred more. The obvious and rhetorical question now before us is..

Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?

Rooster · Post by **Rooster** » Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:59 am

Psssst! Hey LTN, listen up. We didn't land on the moon either. And Kennedy was shot by a second gunman. Just remember, you didn't hear this from me, ok? I gotta go-- the CIA is tracking me by my silver-mercury fillings and I don't like to stay in one place for very long. Catch ya on the flip side, Capricorn One.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Sep 13, 2012 11:20 am

LTS TRN 2 wrote:blah blah blah

seriously, what kind of an asshole thinks 9/11 was some conspiracy perpetrated by government officials to push an agenda?

and how would one go about keeping the ~~hundreds~~ ~~thousands~~ tens of thousands of people needed to pull off something like this quiet?

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Thu Sep 13, 2012 1:12 pm

War Wagon wrote:I found it hard to tear myself away from the TV long enough to even take a piss.

What do you think that 32 oz cup from Mickey D's is for, rookie.

War Wagon wrote:1500 miles away, watching it happen on TV in the break room at work, I imagine I had the same sort of stupefied look on my face.

I imagine you have that kind of look on your face often.