Turner Gill to Kansas.

[M Club]

M Club, are you even capable of making a post about me that doesn't mention "sociopath" or some bizarre reference to paragraphs? What, do you have a problem with proper paragraph spacing now too? What the hell is wrong with you? Why can't you ever simply stick to the topic, football, without pussing out on these lame tangents, the way you always do?

because you are a sociopath. it's clearly evident to everyone save...surprise, the resident sociopath. i mention your obsession with paragraphs because you somehow seem to think the line break is an adequate substitute for logic.

as for football, i took your pants off there as well and fucked you in the ass. clean the blood off the floor, svp. or are you going to bring up some more weak ass shit about the rose bowl you don't understand?

[mvscal]

This thread still makes me laugh. Only idiots thought an assclown with a losing record in a shit conference would somehow be successful at a higher level of competition.

I guess win-loss records matter after all. Who could have guessed?

[M Club]

I guess win-loss records matter after all. Who could have guessed?

great point.

signed,



totally surprised some racist went digging for a 20-year-old thread about a black guy.

[mvscal]

totally surprised some racist went digging for a 20-year-old thread about a black guy.

Does your anus moisten with indignation whenever you think of "racists"? It always has to be about race, right? I mean it couldn't possibly be because I read this article this morning, right?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/f ... t=cf_wr_a3

Looks like Turdner is hitting par for the course with an 0-4 start in his new gig. My opinion of him was never about race other than remarking that he was as obvious affirmative action hire given his track record of failure. He has had ONE winning season in his entire coaching career and that was 8-6, right? Impressive? No. He's a piece of shit coach and the only reason he is still working is because he's a turd colored piece of shit coach.

How many more times does he have to fail before you admit that he just sucks? I never said he sucks because he's black. You seem deeply insecure in your poutrage. Why is that?

[M Club]

Does your anus moisten with indignation whenever you think of "racists"? It always has to be about race, right? I mean it couldn't possibly be because I read this article this morning, right?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/f ... t=cf_wr_a3

Looks like Turdner is hitting par for the course with an 0-4 start in his new gig. My opinion of him was never about race other than remarking that he was as obvious affirmative action hire given his track record of failure. He has had ONE winning season in his entire coaching career and that was 8-6, right? Impressive? No. He's a piece of shit coach and the only reason he is still working is because he's a turd colored piece of shit coach.

How many more times does he have to fail before you admit that he just sucks? I never said he sucks because he's black. You seem deeply insecure in your poutrage. Why is that?

It doesn't have to always be about race, but it generally is when the same loser dropping mvscal all over the place finds some post hoc ergo propter hoc faux-justification for the piss poor reasoning he vomited all over this board three years ago, especially when had zero to say about the 6-29 good ol' boy getting hired at Auburn.

This is a whole lot of bwah:

My opinion of him was never about race other than remarking that he was as obvious affirmative action hire given his track record of failure.

Sort of like I don't hate Jews, I just wish the German Chancellor would put them all in ovens.

Nice record of failure, too: was the QB coach for two All-American QBs, one a Heisman winner; was the finalist for top assistant coach in the country; and took all of three years to turn one of the most dismal programs in the country into conference champions.

Guess I'll wait till he fails at Liberty to admit he can't coach. I'm sure you'll check back in with a mea culpa right after they blow through their conference schedule, right?

[Carson]

Turner Gill has a mudshark wife.

That's the main reason Auburn did not hire him.

Reality sucks, doesn't it?

[King Crimson]

Turner Gill has a mudshark wife.

That's the main reason Auburn did not hire him.

I assumed it was because his best team as a head coach lost 5 games.

and minus Cam Newton, how many winning seasons does Gene Gene the Dancing Machine have at the Barn?

his predecessor at ISU and his successor have both had more success in Ames than did the Chizz. Paul Rhodes and Dan McCartney.

ISU, for a complete doormat, has quietly been been tough to beat for a decade....minus the Chizik year.

interesting.

[Carson]

This season will be Chizik's first loser at AU.

It's also his first season without Gus Malzahn.

[mvscal]

the 6-29 good ol' boy getting hired at Auburn.

You mean 5-19. Why are you lying? Why are you ignoring the fact that he had a recent (and successful) tenure with Auburn as defensive coordinator?

Sort of like I don't hate Jews, I just wish the German Chancellor would put them all in ovens.

Actually it isn't anything like that at all. It's more like, "Hey, look! Water is wet." Or are you attempting to suggest that diversity hires are merely figments of my "racist" imagination?

took all of three years to turn one of the most dismal programs in the country into conference champions.

This is laughable. Buffalo caught lightning in a bottle (barely) for one single season. Actually, it was more like a single game than a complete season. They sucked before he got there, they sucked while he was there and they still suck today.

Guess I'll wait till he fails at Liberty to admit he can't coach.

0-4. No sweat, right? Turdner is just going to flip the switch and suddenly become an intelligent coach with suberb preparation and game planning. Granted he has never done any such thing at any point in his professional career but there's always hope for a first time, right?

Is that how you see it going down?

[M Club]

the 6-29 good ol' boy getting hired at Auburn.

You mean 5-19. Why are you lying? Why are you ignoring the fact that he had a recent (and successful) tenure with Auburn as defensive coordinator?

Mah bad. I used the record he would have had if Auburn didn't make him an affirmative action hire of their own. That or I wrote 6-29 off the top of my head. Is 5-19 all the more impressive to you?

I'm not ignoring his success as a defensive coordinator, though tell me: have you ever seen a wildly successful coordinator not do so well as as a head coach? Huh, huh? You're the one who was trumpeting W-L record as the end all, be all. Apparently that only applies to black folk if a comparable whitey is 5-19.

took all of three years to turn one of the most dismal programs in the country into conference champions.

This is laughable. Buffalo caught lightning in a bottle (barely) for one single season. Actually, it was more like a single game than a complete season. They sucked before he got there, they sucked while he was there and they still suck today.

They won 10 games in 7 years of D-1A ball before Gill got there and were barely competitive in any of their MAC games. It took him two years to change that. Kansas definitely played like Kansas while he was there, fair enough, but pretending like he didn't do a good job at Buffalo is just lalalalalalalalalblackguylalalalalala.

Guess I'll wait till he fails at Liberty to admit he can't coach.

0-4. No sweat, right? Turdner is just going to flip the switch and suddenly become an intelligent coach with suberb preparation and game planning. Granted he has never done any such thing at any point in his professional career but there's always hope for a first time, right?

Is that how you see it going down?

Seems like they were 1-3 last year at this time of year and ended up only losing the conference on the last game of the year. It's obvious you don't understand how CFB scheduling works so I'll just tell you there's an uneven competitive terrain and some teams have to schedule guaranteed losses just so they can keep their athletic departments afloat, while some schools just play tough OOC foes out of principle. But ja, that's how I see it going down.

[mvscal]

I'm not ignoring his success as a defensive coordinator,

Of course you are. You didn't even mention it until I brought it up and even now you're trying to minimize it by ignoring my key point which was the fact that he had had recent success as a defensive coordinator at Auburn. That is the reason Auburn took a shot on a guy with a losing record as a HC.

though tell me: have you ever seen a wildly successful coordinator not do so well as as a head coach?

Of course. Have I ever blamed any organization for taking a shot at such coordinators? The answer is no. In fact, I have stated my personal hiring preferences if I were an NFL GM or college AD many times.

They won 10 games in 7 years of D-1A ball before Gill got there and were barely competitive in any of their MAC games. It took him two years to change that.

What exactly has changed? They lost somewhat fewer games than they lost before? He's coached one good game in his life. Buffalo was and is a shit team in a shit conference. He changed nothing. Anybody can get lucky once.

Kansas definitely played like Kansas while he was there, fair enough,

You mean they played like a shit team with a shit coach. Honestly, did you ever see any signs of intelligent life on the sidelines when he was there? Did anything at all happen that suggested to you that somebody somewhere was providing these players with adequate preparation?

but pretending like he didn't do a good job at Buffalo

Now this is one of the most racist statements I've ever read on this forum. 20-30 is not a "good job" by any standard of measurement unless you are applying lower standards of achievement to black people. You could claim that he did a somewhat less shitty job than others at Buffalo but that's not saying much.

It's obvious you don't understand how CFB scheduling works so I'll just tell you there's an uneven competitive terrain and some teams have to schedule guaranteed losses just so they can keep their athletic departments afloat, while some schools just play tough OOC foes out of principle. But ja, that's how I see it going down.

You thought he was going to be great hire at Kansas. I told you he was a loser at Buffalo and would be a loser at Kansas and now you're trying to tell me that I'm the one who doesn't understand college football because he's (surprise, surprise) losing at Liberty?

The scoreboard says 25-53.

[mvscal]

I never have understood all the love for the 8-5 season at Buffalo. That impressed people?

8-6 actually.

They climbed the mountain by upsetting the collegiate powerhouse Ball St. in their cute little "conference championship" and were then promptly fistfucked the next week in the whatever bowl by UConn........in football.

[M Club]

I'm not ignoring his success as a defensive coordinator,

Of course you are. You didn't even mention it until I brought it up and even now you're trying to minimize it by ignoring my key point which was the fact that he had had recent success as a defensive coordinator at Auburn. That is the reason Auburn took a shot on a guy with a losing record as a HC.

though tell me: have you ever seen a wildly successful coordinator not do so well as as a head coach?

Of course. Have I ever blamed any organization for taking a shot at such coordinators? The answer is no. In fact, I have stated my personal hiring preferences if I were an NFL GM or college AD many times.

Why would I mention his time coordinating for Auburn when all you want to focus on is wins and losses? It's your metric. But duly noted, a hot-shot coordinator who gets his chance but only wins ~20% of his games (and underperformed his predecessors) deserves to have his peripherals considered while the guy who built the saddest D1 program into a conference champion should be judged solely by his W-L record since just anyone can flip a team averaging 1.2 wins/year into a 10-win machine their first year on the job.

Or in easy-to-read format:

A white guy who failed as a HC --> deserves new job because he coordinated once

A black guy who did a good job as an actual HC --> is black


I admittedly raised an eyebrow when Auburn hired the 5-19 guy, but I could understand their rationale that he was familiar with Auburn and knew the market rate for elite JUCO transfers. But I'm not arguing over whether or not Auburn should have hired him; I'm giggling at the tantrum you threw over wins and losses when you were clearly just sad a black man got a new job.

They won 10 games in 7 years of D-1A ball before Gill got there and were barely competitive in any of their MAC games. It took him two years to change that.

What exactly has changed? They lost somewhat fewer games than they lost before? He's coached one good game in his life. Buffalo was and is a shit team in a shit conference. He changed nothing. Anybody can get lucky once.

If it were so easy someone would have done it before, right?

Kansas definitely played like Kansas while he was there, fair enough,

You mean they played like a shit team with a shit coach. Honestly, did you ever see any signs of intelligent life on the sidelines when he was there? Did anything at all happen that suggested to you that somebody somewhere was providing these players with adequate preparation?

I don't watch Kansas football nor do I pretend that I've broken down their schemes or analyzed their fundamentals. All I know about them is they're a CFB wasteland that had one stretch of decent football that had already ended by the time Gill got there. But keep up this "coach" thing you have going.

but pretending like he didn't do a good job at Buffalo

Now this is one of the most racist statements I've ever read on this forum. 20-30 is not a "good job" by any standard of measurement unless you are applying lower standards of achievement to black people. You could claim that he did a somewhat less shitty job than others at Buffalo but that's not saying much.

I'm applying lower standards of W-L to coaches who inherited teams that were 10-69 before he got there. His line graph moved up. But using your very own logic I suppose Tampa Bay should have never hired Schiano since he was just some .500 coach in the Big East and was only 30-46 by the time he was Michigan's coach for all of five minutes in 2007. Mack Brown should have been out of coaching long ago as well since he was 26-51 five years into his tenure at UNC. Suppose you're also going to start a thread about Kansas' most recent hire since that guy couldn't turn Notre Dame into a winner and is off to a scintillating 1-3 start with losses to Rice and N.Illinois. But they're white so you haven't bothered.

It's obvious you don't understand how CFB scheduling works so I'll just tell you there's an uneven competitive terrain and some teams have to schedule guaranteed losses just so they can keep their athletic departments afloat, while some schools just play tough OOC foes out of principle. But ja, that's how I see it going down.

You thought he was going to be great hire at Kansas. I told you he was a loser at Buffalo and would be a loser at Kansas and now you're trying to tell me that I'm the one who doesn't understand college football because he's (surprise, surprise) losing at Liberty?

The scoreboard says 25-53.

Imagine that, via my casual interest in CFB teams I don't root for I thought the guy who turned around Buffalo and did well recruiting the Big XII for Nebraska was a good hire for...Kansas, a destination job and all that.

Your thinly-veiled obsession with W-L record is pretty humorous. Not unexpected for a guy who visits this forum only when his team is playing in the MNC game or a black guy gets a promotion.

[M Club]

Gill might be a great guy and all, but I never have understood all the love for the 8-5 season at Buffalo. That impressed people?

Wow, finally an over .500 season. Great. Do it again or lose 2-3 games one year...that woulda been impressive.

A 5 loss season wherever you're coaching isn't all that big a deal.

A 5-loss season in the SEC isn't that big of a deal since you get 3 free wins playing the same teams that get auto-losses playing you. There's a reason 3-5 SEC teams go to bowl games while MAC and Sunbelt champions lose four times every year.

[M Club]

As per usual, Milk Club got bounced in this thread. Funnier yet is his now obsessive hate towards Auburn. I guess there's a reason for that... :D

Oh look, Fatty McFat who can't string two sentences together before getting distracted by donuts is trying to ride the coattails of some other loser. Who said I have an obsessive hate of Auburn? I actually like them as far as SEC teams go.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Your thinly-veiled obsession with W-L record is pretty humorous. Not unexpected for a guy who visits this forum only when his team is playing in the MNC game or a black guy gets a promotion.

Or there's a thread about child molestation. Can't forget that one, either.

[mvscal]

But using your very own logic I suppose Tampa Bay should have never hired Schiano since he was just some .500 coach in the Big East

Time will tell whether or not they should have hired him but he had one thing going for him that Turdner Gill has never experienced: Success.

Schiano actually did turn a shit program around, had six winning seasons and was 5-1 in bowl appearances. He built a legitimate program while he was at Rutgers. Gill did no such thing at Buffalo. He didn't even come close. I never said it was easy. I said he didn't get it done.

[M Club]

Time will tell whether or not they should have hired him but he had one thing going for him that Turdner Gill has never experienced: Success.

Schiano actually did turn a shit program around, had six winning seasons and was 5-1 in bowl appearances. He built a legitimate program while he was at Rutgers. Gill did no such thing at Buffalo. He didn't even come close. I never said it was easy. I said he didn't get it done.

All that because he turned down the job offers that came before there was any sustained success there.

And tell me, how is a school like Kansas supposed to land an established coach like that anyhow? They don't, which is why they take flyers on all their hiring decisions. There's only three ways to get a HC gig in CFB: succession, coordinator du jour, or cut your teeth in the lower ranks. Kansas doesn't have a coaching tree, and I don't remember which coordinators were making the leap that year, but I do know a coach who just won a championship at a shit school probably appealed to the wealthier shit school who needed a new coach of their own.


Some other curious hires you started threads to criticize, no doubt:

Glen Mason - Two meh years at Kent State before getting hired at...Kansas.

Al Golden - 27-34 record at Temple so got hired at Miami.

Tim Beckman - Three mediocre years at a traditional MAC power so now gets to coach in the Big Ten.

Todd Graham - One 7-6 year at Rice got him the job at Tulsa where he basically held serve long enough to coach Pitt down to 6-6, in which case ASU fell all over themselves to hire him away. Why exactly? Because he's an affirmative action white guy hire.

Woody Hayes - Two years at Miami and then the OSU job? The outrage.

In his second year with the Redskins, Hayes led the 1950 squad to an appearance in the Salad Bowl, where they defeated Arizona State University. That success led him to accept the Ohio State head coaching position on February 18, 1951, in a controversial decision after the university rejected the applications of other more well-known coaches, including former Buckeyes' head coach Paul Brown, incumbent Buckeye assistant Harry Strobel and Missouri head coach Don Faurot.

Seems to me shitty programs like Kansas take chances on coaches like Gill all the time.

[Van]

Hayes led the 1950 squad to an appearance in the Salad Bowl

Now you're just being silly.

[Screw_Michigan]

Milk Club fails again. While everybody else here gets to watch football in real time, Milk has some slant dude smoking his pole in some gloomy South Hong Kong shithole while he's watching old Hong Kong Phooey reruns.

He probably doesn't have his own washer and dryer, either. Bode you, right, Tubby?

[M Club]

Somebody NOT having a washer & dryer on this board AUTOFUCKINGMATICALLY gives the rest of the board BODE on that individual. If Milk Club is down there with you, then he gets that dubious credit along with you.

Forced to live with the scat thoughts that take up most of your brain space > urban apartments that more often than not have shared laundry space

:?

One would think a person with gastrointestinal issues such as yours would benefit from a walk to and from the laundromat.

My laundry gets done within my own four walls, FWIW. I don't even fold them since that's my lady's job.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Woody Hayes - Two years at Miami and then the OSU job? The outrage.

If you want to go old school, fwiw Ara Parseghian was one game over .500 in eight seasons at Northwestern before he was hired at ND. He was also the first non-ND alum ever hired as head coach at ND (although that's since become the rule rather than the exception -- only Weis, among his successors, was a ND alum). And he was the one who led the program's (first) resurgence.

[M Club]

I suppose.

Number of your posts that are on-topic: 0

Number that are about me: All of them

[M Club]

Ran out of things to ctrl-shutyomouth so have resorted to ineffectual picture smack? If you keep throwing feces something should stick, eventually. You should go the mvscal route of getting your ass kicked and just slither away. Roll, in your case.

[M Club]

Says the cuckold whose confabs usually evolve thusly:

[Fat] That team's going to get their shit kicked in.

[Anyone else] Care to elaborate?

[Fat] Shit cum fag cockballs anal anal anal doodie


You're a soggy biscuit that's been passed around the board and back. Not a single person hasn't kicked your ass.

[King Crimson]

as far as ripping on Kansas....those losers have won a BCS bowl a lot more recently than many of the big talkers around here. a BCS Bowl Game. a Win.

i know a road game at Purdue is scary to some....around here. Northwestern, too. and expect we should all shake our heads about it...
:wink:

[M Club]

And you're an obsessive little cunt who rides in the wake of anybody you've ever had a conversation with. Your wife has more fun with used cans of grape soda than she could ever get from a pussy like you. Then again - she's probably got a little dick on her, so there's that.

At least we agree there's a causal relationship between me posting and you melting.

[M Club]

as far as ripping on Kansas....those losers have won a BCS bowl a lot more recently than many of the big talkers around here. a BCS Bowl Game. a Win.

i know a road game at Purdue is scary to some....around here. Northwestern, too. and expect we should all shake our heads about it...
:wink:

ja, i suppose that one year reprieve from not the absolute suck turned them into a cfb blueblood.

scary road game at purdue? you must have us big ten folk confused with the actual people spamming the board with their "no easy games in the sec" talk. that or you forgot to eat half your prescribed meds today. big ten fans are emo this year, remember?

[King Crimson]

ja, i suppose that one year reprieve from not the absolute suck turned them into a cfb blueblood.

wasn't it you who posted about Glen Mason getting the KU job after middling begins at a mid-major...?

he had a top 10 team at KU as well as the Fat Man. so, maybe you oughta look a little deeper before going emo?

winning at KU can be done.

[M Club]

wasn't it you who posted about Glen Mason getting the KU job after middling begins at a mid-major...?

it was. perhaps you should check the context. or jam another non-sequitur, either/or.

[King Crimson]

wasn't it you who posted about Glen Mason getting the KU job after middling begins at a mid-major...?

it was. perhaps you should check the context. or jam another non-sequitur, either/or.

or, you could check that while you are saying that KU having one season of success under Mangino (basically on his way out at OC from Oklahoma...to put it kindly...)....is not the single event you posted. KU had a top 10 team under Mason and another under the Fat Man. evidence of which was in two of your posts.

[M Club]

I said Kansas was a shit program that has to prospect when it comes to coaching hires. If you want to pretend they're some under-the-radar elite team then I suppose I won't argue with you.

wow, elite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ka ... ll_seasons

[King Crimson]

I said Kansas was a shit program that has to prospect when it comes to coaching hires. If you want to pretend they're some under-the-radar elite team then I suppose I won't argue with you.

wow, elite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ka ... ll_seasons

no one is saying Kansas is an elite program. under the radar is a cute phrase...for you.

but they do have a couple really good teams in the last couple decades. top 10 or BCS bowl winning type really good, not Purdue or NWestern 6 win type Jon "good".

if you wanna go the Jon Big Tenner route, that's on you.

[M Club]

I think you're having a conversation with that other dude in your head.

[King Crimson]

I think you're having a conversation with that other dude in your head.

no.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

but they do have a couple really good teams in the last couple decades. top 10 or BCS bowl winning type really good, not Purdue or NWestern 6 win type Jon "good".

if you wanna go the Jon Big Tenner route, that's on you.

I don't know why you continue to beat this horse, or where it comes from. I don't think any "Big Tenners" speak of Purdue and Northwestern in any context other than those being pesky road teams that can give you problems. These teams and dynamics exist in every conference. You know, because not every game you're "supposed" to win is going to be a 40 point beat down. You know, kind of like how you stress similar concern when playing a 7-5 Texas Tech team. But for some reason when you do it it's completely acceptable. Somebody else, and they're homering for their conference.

Just STFU already.

[M Club]

I think you're having a conversation with that other dude in your head.

no.

was that your answer or the one on meds?

[King Crimson]

. These teams and dynamics exist in every conference. .

that's exactly the point i've been trying to make.

thanks MGO.

[M Club]

great point. who was arguing with you?

[Terry in Crapchester]

[Some other curious hires you started threads to criticize, no doubt:

Glen Mason - Two meh years at Kent State before getting hired at...Kansas.

Al Golden - 27-34 record at Temple so got hired at Miami.

Tim Beckman - Three mediocre years at a traditional MAC power so now gets to coach in the Big Ten.

Todd Graham - One 7-6 year at Rice got him the job at Tulsa where he basically held serve long enough to coach Pitt down to 6-6, in which case ASU fell all over themselves to hire him away. Why exactly? Because he's an affirmative action white guy hire.

Woody Hayes - Two years at Miami and then the OSU job? The outrage.

In addition to Ara (whom I mentioned previously), you could also include:

Derrick Dooley: 17-20 at Louisiana Tech, then hired for the Tennessee job. Of course, being Vince Dooley's son, he was a legacy hire of sorts -- not Tennessee, of course, but SEC! SEC! SEC!

Lou Holtz: 13-20 in three seasons at William & Mary before being hired by N.C. State.

Of course, mvscal's won-loss record meme doesn't really apply to a white coach, now does it?