You have the LTS Tard type and you have

[The Seer]

UC, Santa Cruz

Knowing he's spent time with your ilk suggests a broad base & well rounded foundation...

[Dinsdale]

Okay, to destroy this ass-clown in one easy sweep...

The so-called "confession tape video" is a complete joke which has been debunked up and down by a variety of experts. You'll notice that it's completely disappeared

Well, you did destroy an assclown in one easy sweep... I'll give you that. Same one you do every time you post...

Since there's about 500 copies of that video on Youtube at this very moment.

[ML@Coyote]

And here's the base of the right-wing contagion, balancing the fraudulent "intellectual" approach of the Hoover institute with good ol' fashioned bible thumping religious fanaticism. This guy is not only a united States congressman, but a high-ranking member of the Hose Science Committee (along with Akin, the expert on "real rape")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... ikEWuBrkHc#!

And here's your base of your left wing contagion...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUki-07sp2E

[Y2K]

I've been fortunate to meet VDH and hear quite a few of his town hall lectures during his time at Fresno State. His an amazing speaker and his knowledge of warfare and current events is amazing. Occasionally there would be the typical LTS Tard in the audience who wanted to challenge him and he always listened no matter how deluded or assinine the drivel spewed by said idiot was, he then commenced to wipe his ass with them and send them out the doors of the Campus Union building drowning in their own tears and piss running down their legs. A very nice guy as well. He a regular contributer for The Fresno Bee and always has the local liberals in full scale melt after his articles are printed. Ya gotta love it.

[LTS TRN 2]

Total bullshit, Y2, and it's pretty clear why. Hanson advances all of his positions and opinions upon the basic premise of what right-wing radio hacks call "American Exceptionalism." This simply means that America enjoys a distinct double standard of moral and ethical behavior in dealing with the world. For example, Hanson believes quite strongly in our essential rightness in invading and attempting to conquer Vietnam. He has no apologies at the disastrous failure of this effort, and like many deluded sorts around here insists that we could have "won" in Vietnam if we'd really wanted to. Similarly, while droning platitudes of Western enlightened degrees of tolerance and benevolence, he has no qualms about America's 20th century record of invading South and Central American nations, murdering duly elected leaders, inciting horrific wars which kill hundreds of thousands, and installing ruthless dictators which are friendly to the American corporate interests. In short, he is a vile hypocrite on par with Kissinger and Pearle. And of course like those international war criminals, Hanson is an Israel-Firster. Do you know what this is, Y2? Of course it means that he'll ignore any of the critical problems caused by the installation of a Zionist state 65-years ago into the heart of the Arab world. He instead robustly assumes that this was a good and proper event and that the Arab world has the obligation to accommodate the ruthless race-state experiment as well as the millions of Palestinian refugees. To appreciate how skewed is his--and the typical Zionazi's--perspective on the Zionist experiment, notice that he ignores that Jews in fact lived peacefully and productively throughout the Middle East before 1948. The ensuing expulsion of Jews from those Arab states was a direct result of the similar expulsion of the millions of Palestinians. Where did the Jews go? To the Zionist experimental state, of course. EXACTLY where the Zionists wanted them to live. You see? This accusation against the Arab nations--Hanson calling them out on being intolerant--was in fact the precise goal of the Zionazis in the first place. It was exactly the same when tens of thousands of Jewish refugees were refused entrance to the U.S.--under the direct pressure of the Zionist groups here and in Europe. The Zionazis wanted them of course to have no choice but to come to the Zionist state.

Of course no one likes fanatical religious types, whether Islamic, Christer, Jewish, or Mormon. And by the way, these are really the only toxic and dangerous ones. But Hanson offers only a blustering, blindered view of some demented John Wayne fantasy imposed upon the world. He's straight out of PNAC. And like those loons, Hanson has no qualms about our destruction of Iraq. He decries Islamic acts of violence--killing grand nephew of Van Gogh--but blithely ignores the killing of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and displacing millions. You see, he's a lying piece of shit who only gives lectures to friendly prepared audiences, and of course never actually debates anything. He's like Krauthammer without the bed pan.

[mvscal]

UC, Santa Cruz

More like

[LTS TRN 2]

And moreover, douchbags like Mall Cop are given some false sense of support in their toxic puppet parrotings. you see?

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

5. If not, then how to we ensure that they will not be harmed by those who surround them and openly speak of their destruction?

Why is that any of America's business?

Israel has nukes and a powerful air force and army. I'm sure they can take care of themselves.

[LTS TRN 2]

As I've often suggested, the model of fixing the quagmire of the "Holy Land" is basically that of the same class of '48 apartheid state experiments, South Africa. The list of direct similarities is very long. The criminality and ruthlessness of the Zionist experiment, of course, has proven much deeper and horrific. But I remain committed to a non-violent conclusion to this untenable race-state experiment. Where would they go? Well, it's not up to "us" to move them anywhere. As with South Africa, they can go wherever they like. They could stay, but without the racist double standards, etc. Believe it or not--and folks like Hanson really don't want you to know this--but the Palestinians and Jordanians and Egyptians and Libyans--you know, the hundreds of millions of actual Semitic residents of the area--really don't hate Jews at all. Sure, the hard line muzzies--just like Hanson and the Tea Baggers--are intolerant. But the Islamic fundamentalist rhetoric and actions have always been due to the fact of the hyper-military race-state experiment being installed right in their land in the first place. The question remains...besides the demented Christers who see the establishment of "Israel" ( a total anachronism, btw, it should properly be called "Judea" if it's going to go all retro and pretend to be connected to the long suffering shithole colony of antiquity), why would any sane modern person accept any part of the Zionist premise? This is the real question. We all know how the Zionists shamelessly exploited the horrors of WWII, but this is a false and cheap excuse for ruthlessly enacting a race-state of their own. The list of criminal acts by the Zionazi government alone should horrify any American. What's your excuse?

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

You make some good points...and then you drop this tidbit of retardation:

The list of criminal acts by the Zionazi government alone should horrify any American. What's your excuse?

Zioinism is no more "criminal" or "ruthless" than anything in the American experience.
As a matter of fact, I'd go so far as to say less so.

But you're an American...and you love America...so you can't get past that.

[LTS TRN 2]

You make some good points...and then you drop this tidbit of retardation:

The list of criminal acts by the Zionazi government alone should horrify any American. What's your excuse?

Zioinism is no more "criminal" or "ruthless" than anything in the American experience.
As a matter of fact, I'd go so far as to say less so.

But you're an American...and you love America...so you can't get past that.

By horrific acts, I'm talking for starters about the Lavon Affair, the attack upon the U.S.S. Liberty, and the massive theft of nuclear secrets by Pollard. As for you claim that ... "Zioinism is no more "criminal" or "ruthless" than anything in the American experience. As a matter of fact, I'd go so far as to say less so."

Is this even fucking English? I mean what is this statement supposed to say? Look, first of all, Zionism isn't an American experience at all. Rather, it is a racist doctrine of a bunch of seething right-wing National Socialists who desperately wanted their own race state. In fact, its most famous advocate, Herzl, was according to his own diary, completely devoted to the music of Wagner as he plowed ahead with his bitter tracts and bile. What a hoot. As for the Zionists using the American experience, this is simply the shaeless exploitation of the Christers' panting for Apocalypse.

You'd do much better elaborating on the "good points' I make.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Because the U.S. has considered Israel to be an important ally

...with no treaty of defense. You have more of an obligation under NATO to defend Canada than Israel.

Be careful of what you wish for.

I'm calling Israel's bluff. They'll fold.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

...the massive theft of nuclear secrets by Pollard

Nuclear secrets?
You mean nuclear secrets that can develop a nuclear weapons program?
That can create a nuclear payload that is capable of obliterating a civilian target?
Like you did in August '45?


Go fist yourself.

[LTS TRN 2]

As I've often suggested, the model of fixing the quagmire of the "Holy Land" is basically that of the same class of '48 apartheid state experiments, South Africa. The list of direct similarities is very long. The criminality and ruthlessness of the Zionist experiment, of course, has proven much deeper and horrific. But I remain committed to a non-violent conclusion to this untenable race-state experiment. Where would they go? Well, it's not up to "us" to move them anywhere. As with South Africa, they can go wherever they like. They could stay, but without the racist double standards, etc. Believe it or not--and folks like Hanson really don't want you to know this--but the Palestinians and Jordanians and Egyptians and Libyans--you know, the hundreds of millions of actual Semitic residents of the area--really don't hate Jews at all. Sure, the hard line muzzies--just like Hanson and the Tea Baggers--are intolerant. But the Islamic fundamentalist rhetoric and actions have always been due to the fact of the hyper-military race-state experiment being installed right in their land in the first place. The question remains...besides the demented Christers who see the establishment of "Israel" ( a total anachronism, btw, it should properly be called "Judea" if it's going to go all retro and pretend to be connected to the long suffering shithole colony of antiquity), why would any sane modern person accept any part of the Zionist premise? This is the real question. We all know how the Zionists shamelessly exploited the horrors of WWII, but this is a false and cheap excuse for ruthlessly enacting a race-state of their own. The list of criminal acts by the Zionazi government alone should horrify any American. What's your excuse?

I'm trying to be fair, here. So correct my errors below, which I entered based on your response above:

1. What is the solution to the problem of Israel, in your opinion?

Treat Israel as South Africa was treated during Aparthied.

2. Should we ethnically cleanse the Middle East of persons who claim to be Jewish?

No cognizable response.

3. If so, where do we relocate them to?

WGARA

4. And what if they refuse to leave?

No cognizable response.

5. If not, then how to we ensure that they will not be harmed by those who surround them and openly speak of their destruction?

WGARA

Bullshit, SS, I clearly address each of your questions. I assume your second question, "should we ethnically cleanse, etc" is ludicrous and of course doesn't warrant a response--especially in light of my very clear basic approach of an anti-apartheid transition of power. As i said very clearly, I support a non-violent approach. So...can't you connect the dots? I've also addressed very clearly the false notion of some "extermination plan" lurking in the neighboring nations. This is as false now as it was before the 1948 invasion. You seem to be in total denial as to acknowledging any fault of the Zionist experiment, and as such you are tedious and a real drag.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

So, as a Canadian citizen, you think the best course of action would be the US not to support Israel going forward, and just let the chips fall where they may. Do you have any predictions

I'll ask you again...why is it worth a single drop of American blood?

If Israel folds, what do they fold back to? Non-existence?

Pre '67 borders. Every rational player in the region finds that acceptable. Even Hezbollah and Fatah.

[LTS TRN 2]

...the massive theft of nuclear secrets by Pollard

Nuclear secrets?
You mean nuclear secrets that can develop a nuclear weapons program?
That can create a nuclear payload that is capable of obliterating a civilian target?
Like you did in August '45?


Go fist yourself.

Yes, those secrets exactly. That we should keep this technology as sealed as possible makes sense, no? And what do you suppose the seething and totally unapologetic Zionazi Pollard did with at massive amount of top-secret data? What, do you suppose he secreted it away to his beloved little Democracy so she could defend herself from those drooling Muslims? No, he sold it directly to the fucking Russians! Why? Now follow this carefully, because we can see you're a bit slow.... Because..above all the Zionazi experiment wants a general state of crisis in the air. And of course delivering the latest nuclear technology to the Soviets served this purpose perfectly--plus raising a whole bunch of cash.

As to your insipid--and really very weird--accusation of my loving America as some kind of fault, well fuck you, you putrid little puke stain. It's not just that you are a complete fraud--not Canadian of course, etc--but that you are genuinely hollow. Do you know what this means?....

"For Which It Stands..."

You stand for nothing. Got it?

[LTS TRN 2]

In fact the "majority" of Jews in Israel is a bizarre definition of that political fact. Sure, about 20% of the official Israeli population is Arab. And they are effectively shut out completely from political power. Yes, just as in South Africa, they have token representation in the Knesset, but this representation is by law restricted completely. There is no Palestinian lobby within the Knesset, for example. No, 20% is just sitting there getting ignored. As for the 2.5 to 3 million Palestinians living in the occupied territories and Gaza, this brings the overall "one-state" ratio just about even. And if you count the few million refugee Palestinians still waiting to return to their property, the idea of "democracy" disappears completely from the Zionist platform.

As to why anyone--'cept a Christer expecting the Return--would accept the basic concept of Zionism remains a mystery. I mean sure, there were lots of folks who thought thre overt racist platform of the South African model to be perfectly appropriate, just as freaks like Hanson fully support the Zionist racism. o...what's your excuse again?

[The Seer]

88, while I applaud your noble civil gesture to crack that shell that encompasses where a brain might've been for the LTS TARD, others (such as MVSCAL) have spent pages upon pages putting irrefutable facts in front of it but to no avail. It will simply ignore your point or your question and go to some other erroneous fable.

You'd have better luck with:



(the one with the saddle)

[mvscal]

the Palestinians and Jordanians and Egyptians and Libyans--

"Palestinians" are Egyptians and Jordanians, you fucking moron.

you know, the hundreds of millions of actual Semitic residents of the area--really don't hate Jews at all.

This is pretty funny actually. So you've been there? Talked to them? No? Well, I have and I can say without any fear of contradiction that you are completely full of shit.

[mvscal]

the massive theft of nuclear secrets by Pollard.

He didn't steal nuclear secrets, fucktard.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

We've sold Israel advanced weapons systems...

I know. They keep showing up in Chinese military parades.

[LTS TRN 2]

Again...what's your excuse for supporting the basic premise of Zionism? Isn't that a clear and fair question?

What's got you sooooooo panty-wadded that you can't conceive of this demented Zionazi dream ending?

The Soviet nightmare lasted 75 years or so...the South African trip went for a bloody 50 or so...the Algerian experiment of France lasted a good few years.

Oh that's right, the huge illegal nuke stockpile and the twisted willingness to use it...right..... :doh:

[LTS TRN 2]

Your shrugged shoulders acceptance of the Zionist state is far too easy and unquestioning. First, your curious description of the "on land they mostly purchased in arm's length transactions,".. is bizarre and makes no sense whatever. In fact the Zionists--not the "Jewish people"'--somehow got the mealy Brits to betray the promises they'd made to the Palestinians for their aid in defeating the Ottomans in WWI. This led to the Balfour amendment, a land grant, basically, which is certainly not a purchase at all. Following WWII--in which the Zionists worked hand in glove with the Nazis to further their mutual twisted aim (all Jews out of Europe) the Zionists were able to work on the very weak and unqualified Harry Truman in gerrymandering a United Nations decree of legitimacy for their race-state experiment. Ironically, the only world body which has bestowed legality to the Zionist expropriation of Palestine has become the pariah of Israel, and is regularly spurned and ignored by the Zionzais--as you're well aware. From the moment they got the UN sanction, the Zionazis have proven ruthless, murderous, larcenous, and utterly amoral in doing whatever to whomever no matter what. Basically, it's been 65 years of lies, theft, and murder. The list of horrific crimes is long and unabated.

If you can look over the Lavon Affair and somehow believe that this race-state is our ally, you must be in some serious denial.

As for the Pollard theft, this too is shocking and utterly abhorrent. Can you imagine any other real ally doing anything even remotely close in betraying America? Who? When?

And the deliberate attack on the U.S.S. Liberty was a direct act of murder-and an attempt of another utterly treacherous false fire scenario.

The fact that its minions--and that's PNAC as well as other prominent neocon groups--like Hanson and his Hoover Institute cohorts--initiated and fomented the attack and destruction of Iraq is just another level of its utter duplicity and extremely dangerous and desperate agenda. The sheer wall of lies and propaganda blathering unabated from right-wing hackdom is unprecedented since Goebbels.

Now, cleaning out this geo-political nightmare is not going to easy or nice. Of course these Russian immigrants are fanatical and disposed to violence. And of course Bibi and the mad-dog Likud are panting for war. They need it.

But...the world's newly realized state of complete interdependence demands that we put aside pet preferences and so-called "allies" as far as maintaining some measure of economic and social stability. The Zionazis pushing for an attack on Iran are now clearly positioned all by themselves as a rogue element. And it's time to scour off. Your only concern seems to be for Rhoda from Queens or whatever as she has to give up her West bank settlement home and private roads and stolen wells. Frankly, the record is very clear that the invading Zionists in 1948 slaughtered, raped, and despoiled with impunity. They shouldn't expect--nor do they deserve--some kind of kid glove treatment in ending their ghastly experiment.

[mvscal]

And they are effectively shut out completely from political power.

A lie.

[LTS TRN 2]

Bullshit, Mall Cop. You insipid punk.

In fact , there are 12 Arab members of the 120 member Knesset. They have no lobby or power, and eight of them have been beaten by the police in demonstrations. Several others have been arrested and harassed for going to visit with "bad" people. The 1.5million Arab Israeli are basically treated as second-class citizens by way of a long list of laws and restrictions designed to preserve the "Jewish identity" of the race state experiment. For example, if a Palestinian Israeli whose descendants have lived in Jerusalem for 1,000 years wants to rebuild his house, his standard building permit will stalled and denied for years, if allowed at all. But if Rhoda from Queens, or Ivan from Minsk, wants a brand new condo--no problem because the government is building them as quickly as they can--illegally, and with American tax dollars--in the occupied West Bank, complete with private roads, etc.

[The Seer]

Bullshit, Mall Cop. You insipid punk.

In fact , there are 12 Arab members of the 120 member Knesset. They have no lobby or power, and eight of them have been beaten by the police in demonstrations. Several others have been arrested and harassed for going to visit with "bad" people. The 1.5million Arab Israeli are basically treated as second-class citizens by way of a long list of laws and restrictions designed to preserve the "Jewish identity" of the race state experiment. For example, if a Palestinian Israeli whose descendants have lived in Jerusalem for 1,000 years wants to rebuild his house, his standard building permit will stalled and denied for years, if allowed at all. But if Rhoda from Queens, or Ivan from Minsk, wants a brand new condo--no problem because the government is building them as quickly as they can--illegally, and with American tax dollars--in the occupied West Bank, complete with private roads, etc.

Tsk Tsk Tsk....

In comparison, how have the Jews been treated in the territories and in Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc. etc. etc.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

In comparison, how have the Jews been treated in the territories and in Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc. etc. etc.

Pretty good, actually.

Jews and Muslims have been allies on many occasions throughout history. Especially as intermediaries during the Conquest (as slave traders of White Europeans).

[mvscal]

In fact , there are 12 Arab members of the 120 member Knesset.

Why lie about such an easily verifiable fact? Do you just not know what the fuck you're talking about? Or what?

For example, if a Palestinian Israeli whose descendants have lived in Jerusalem for 1,000 years wants to rebuild his house, his standard building permit will stalled and denied for years, if allowed at all.

And if a Jordanian in the West Bank wants to sell his property to a Jew, he will be immediately lynched, torn to pieces and his entrails paraded about town. Assuming he avoids summary mob violence, he will be formally executed as selling land to Jews is a capital crime.

What's your point? Or what?

[LTS TRN 2]

In comparison, how have the Jews been treated in the territories and in Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc. etc. etc.

Pretty good, actually.

Jews and Muslims have been allies on many occasions throughout history. Especially as intermediaries during the Conquest (as slave traders of White Europeans).

As usual, B-juice is weirdly hovering around a valid point, but is confused, very much like McCain as he wandered around behind Barry at their last debate in '08.

Prior to the Zionist invasion of 1948, Jews lived peacefully and productively throughout the Middle East. A full third of Baghdad's population was Jewish. The expulsion was in direct retaliation of the expulsion of millions of Palestinians by the Zionazis. And the Zionazis made sure that as many of the Middle Eastern Jews had no choice but to move to the new race-state experiment--where they continue to this day to be treated like second-class citizens by the white non-Semitic Ashkanazi.

As for Mall Cop denying the Israeli Arab participation in the Knesset--and their lack of power--we notice he offers nothing whatever to back up his juvenile gibberish. Typical and tedious. Of course a Palestinian would never sell to the Zionazis, though there was a strange case of an Israeli settler making a bushel of shekels by selling bullets to the PLO. That was a stereotypical joke in the making.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

As usual, B-juice is weirdly hovering around a valid point, but is confused...

I'm not hovering around anything, you stupid cunt.

Try this. Instead of shrieking like an under-medicated, escaped lunatic and insulting people...why not calmly try engaging them with point/counterpoint arguments?

Oh yeah...you can't. Your tiny little psyche can't comprehend the notion that you exist on this planet with anyone of an opposite opinion to yours.
In psychology, we learned that this is indicative (but not conclusive to) of sociopathic behaviour.

Is that you, Felchco?
Have you ever been jabbed with a big ol' syringe, dripping with Thorazine? Spent any time in the "puzzle factory"?

[LTS TRN 2]

Well look at the post above your confused reply and read my take, you'll see the reasoned point by point analysis you claim to crave.

Now...would you like to actually dispute any of the points I've raised concerning the establishment of the Zionist state? Because if you do it would be the first time you've ever attempted to actually discuss anything. And make no mistake, I know damn well you won't because you are a complete and utter fraud. Who do you think you've been fooling, comrade? :wink:

[The Seer]

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[Dinsdale]

So, I guess in conclusion, we can take from this discussion that there's consequences to losing wars, and ceding land is often one of them.

Damn, I think we've really made a sociopolitical breakthrough here. RACK us.

[Arch Angel]

I come to the conclusion that LTS Tard is the great nephew of Hitler.