SEC - QB Conference?

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:35 pm

[quote="Sudden Sam"]
Okay. These arguments can't possibly be resolved, can they? Even at season's end, it'll be "there's no defense n the Big 12 or PAC 58, so anyone could put up big #s at QB" and "the SEC defenses are so fast and strong that no QB can put up good stats."
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Not enough inter-conference games...

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 5:57 pm

Sam wrote:Okay. These arguments can't possibly be resolved, can they? Even at season's end, it'll be "there's no defense n the Big 12 or PAC 58, so anyone could put up big #s at QB" and "the ~~SEC defenses are so fast and strong~~ SEC offenses are so primitive that no QB can put up good stats."

FTFY.

How nice of you, though, that even in your supposed attempt to be fair and reasonable you still framed it in such a way as to denigrate the Pac 12 and Big XII while praising the SEC. Your SECBSH-ism so firmly ingrained that apparently you're not even capable of giving a decent backhanded compliment to other conferences.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:31 pm

Before he blew his knee out, he was a Top Five QB. He was well above average.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:43 am

Well, as it turns out, it would appear that the SEC does indeed have the most depth...

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http://www.businessinsider.com/fattest- ... re-obese-9

And it's not just the Usual Suspects either, such as...

Tennessee...

...Kentucky (gotta respect dude's commitment to Truth in Advertising)...

...or Bama (obviously)...

No, the BCS isn't the only area where Dixie is sitting (very heavily) on six straight titles. Slap your asscheeks together for six-time defending champ...Mississippi, the Crown Jewel of Gluttony!

Seven out of the Top 10! Woohoo! SEC! SEC! SEC!

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:12 am

but none of them could beat Usain Bolt in a race...

so the B1G pwns all your asses...

actually I do like Murray and Tyler Wilson...and I think Zach Mettenburger will wind up being a stud...but Bray is coming off an injury...and McCarron will benefit from a HUGE OL and a B1G type of offense (POWER RUN and as stated don't fuck up intermediate passing)...

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:58 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Haven't seen much of Danny O'Brien yet, so I'm withholding judgement on him.

Threw over 300 times in practice before he got picked. Might say something about the defense, though.

Carson · Post by **Carson** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:12 am

Mid-season thoughts?

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:16 am

Carson wrote:Mid-season thoughts?

the Manziel kid at ATM is having a nice year...admittedly within "system"...but 11 td's and 2 ints. top 4-5 QB rating in the SEC. he's not mentioned in the thread as Tannehill's successor...unproven...but kid is doing a nice job. only the close loss to UF (at Kyle)....as a blemish to the Ag record...though they did struggle at Ole Miss (where UT had their way with the Rebs)....and i was hoping to pick against the Ags at La Tech this week but the rescheduled game didn't make the pickem.

Geno Smith's 24 TD's and 0 INTS is a pretty gaudy number.

David Ash leads Landy Jones in every category i think....

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/s ... =I-A_BIG12

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 2:57 pm

Sam needs to come eat some crow. The SEC QBs are shit, per the norm.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:22 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:
SunCoastSooner wrote:Sam needs to come eat some crow. The SEC QBs are shit, per the norm.
Really?

Mettenberger was over-hyped, for sure. He's a disaster and Nick's D will catch as many of his passes as Tiger receivers do.

McCarron is a top QB. As good as any in the country. Wouldn't trade him for anyone. He's accurate, makes no mistakes, and can read a defense as well as anybody. Great leader as well.

Bray is very good. Murray is very good. Wilson is very good. Russell (MSU) is good. The kid at A&M (Manziel) is great..so I hear. Haven't seen him at all. Driskel is really good. Getting better every week, too.

Shaw is meh. Rodgers is okay. Wallace is average or worse. Don't even know Kentucky's QB9Ss). Missouri's QB situation is a mess due to injuries. And Auburn's QBing? Ummmmm...maybe the worst in the country.

It's a shame these "duds" don't get to throw against defenses the likes of Baylor, West Virginia, Texas, etc. Then they could have the gaudy, shiny numbers that impress you folks. I'll take McCarron's passing efficiency #s any day.

7 or 8 very good to excellent QBs ain't too bad for a conference, is it?

Jesus Sam, you take SECBSHism to a whole new level each season . . .

Quarterbacks in the top 10 of QB rating:
SEC - 1
Big 12 - 5
Pac 12 - 1

11-20:
SEC - 2
Big 12 - 2
Pac 12 - 0

21-30:
SEC - 2
Big 12 - 1
Pac 12 - 1

31-40:
SEC - 1
Big 12 - 1
Pac 12 - 1

41-50:
SEC - 1
Big 12 - 1
Pac 12 - 3

Total in the top 50:
SEC - 7 (only half of the starting QBs in the conference)
Big 12 - 10 (as in every starting quarterback in the conference)
Pac 12 - 6 (half of the starting QBs in the conference)

The SEC barely has as many quarterbacks in the top 30 of quarterback rating as the Big 12 has in the top 10 alone!!!

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QBs in the top 10 of QB completion percentage:
SEC - 0
Big 12 - 3
Pac 12 - 0

11-20:
SEC - 2
Big 12 - 1
Pac 12 - 2

21-30:
SEC - 3
Big 12 - 2
Pac 12 - 1

31-40:
SEC - 0
Big 12 - 2
Pac 12 - 2

41-50:
SEC - 1
Big 12 - 2
Pac 12 - 3

Total in the top 50:
SEC - 6 (less than half the starting QBs in the conference)
Big 12 - 10 (every single starting quarterback in the conference)
Pac 12 - 8 (slightly more than half of the starting QBs in the conference)
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I think it is pretty freaking clear what conference is the quarterback conference . . . and it isn't even close. The SEC is comparable to the Pac 12 and that's about it.

SamUnwise, you have so much SEC cock and balls rolling around in your mouth you can't even think rationally. At best description the SEC is an average quarterback conference. The Big 12 is undoubtedly the best quarterback conference in the country and there isn't even a rational argument to be made otherwise.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:06 am

Papa Willie wrote:SCS - it's easy to have high QB ratings when you're playing defenses that give up 60 a game. Tell me you knew.

Funny . . . Teams in the Big 12 giving up more than 30 points a game, three. Teams in the SEC giving up more than 30 points a game, 3.

Teams in the Big 12 Giving up less than 21 points a game, five. Teams in the SEC giving up less than 21 points a game, five.

Feel free to remove your foot from your own ass anytime you like.

P.S. Texas wanted me to tell Oxford hi for them.

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:22 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:Texas A&M and Missouri are still Big 12 defenses (obviously). Without looking, I'm pretty certain those two teams are amongst the worst defenses in CFB. They are skewing SEC #s severely.

No, they're SEC defenses. The logo on the uniform proves it.

If it helps any, they weren't very good over there either...

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Mon Oct 15, 2012 10:09 pm

Papa Willie wrote:
SunCoastSooner wrote:
Papa Willie wrote:SCS - it's easy to have high QB ratings when you're playing defenses that give up 60 a game. Tell me you knew.
Funny . . . Teams in the Big 12 giving up more than 30 points a game, three. Teams in the SEC giving up more than 30 points a game, 3.

Teams in the Big 12 Giving up less than 21 points a game, five. Teams in the SEC giving up less than 21 points a game, five.

Feel free to remove your foot from your own ass anytime you like.

P.S. Texas wanted me to tell Oxford hi for them.

http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/ ... /team/1042

Why didn't you just go Top 10? Oh wait - never mind.

Wouldn't passing defense be a decent indicator?
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/ ... /team/1041

Big 12 - 3 in the top 50. SEC - 8 in the top 50.

Never mind - I'm sure you're going to respond with your typical B12BSH shit about "you're so SECBSH". We're pretty used to it.

http://www.philsteele.com/blogs/2012/Mar12/DBMar30.html

I'm shocked you have such great defensive statistics based on having five teams ranked below 50th in SOS currently and six teams ranked below the lowest SOS for a Big 12 school (Oklahoma State 28th). The SEC isn't even done playing Sun Belt teams this year either . . . that takes some serious scheduling talent.

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:31 pm

Papa Willie wrote:
SunCoastSooner wrote:
I'm shocked you have such great defensive statistics based on having five teams ranked below 50th in SOS currently and six teams ranked below the lowest SOS for a Big 12 school (Oklahoma State 28th). The SEC isn't even done playing Sun Belt teams this year either . . . that takes some serious scheduling talent.
You couldn't suck the Big12's cock anymore if you had to. And you guys aren't supposed to do that. Remember?

This thread is total proof of that, too.

SCS will suck anyone's cock. It's what cocksuckers do.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:47 am

Papa Willie wrote:Current starting QB's in the NFL (from the big conferences):

SEC - 7
ACC - 6
Big 12 - 6
Pac 12 - 5
Big 10 - 3

They didn't teach you to count in grade school did they?

Fitzpatrick - Ivy (1)
Tannehill - Big 12 (1) unless aTm switched conferences long before this season.
Brady - B10 (1)
Sanchez - Pac (1)
Flacco - FCS (1)
Dalton - MWC (1) See how that works?
Weeden - (Big 12 (2)
Roethlisberger - MAC (1)
Schaub - ACC (1)
Luck - PAC (2)
Gabbert - Big 12 (3) Oh you wanted credit for another transplant after the fact huh?
Hasselbeck - Big East (1)
Manning - SEC (1)
Quinn - Indy (1)
Palmer - Pac (3)
Rivers - ACC (2)
Romo - FCS (2)
Manning - SEC (2)
Vick - Big East (2)
Griffin III - Big 12 (4)
Cutler - SEC (2)
Stafford - SEC (3)
Rodgers - PAC (4)
Ponder - ACC (3)
Ryan - Big East (3)
Newton - SEC (4)
Brees - B10 (2)
Freeman - Big 12 (5)
Kolb -CUSA (1)
Smith - MWC (2)
Wilson - B10 (3)
Bradford - Big 12 (6)

Final Talley:
Big 12 -6
PAC - 4
SEC - 4
B10 - 3
Big East - 3
ACC - 3
Big East - 2
MWC - 2
FCS - 2
Indy - 1
CUSA - 1
Ivy - 1

Sit down and shut the fuck up Papamydickinyourmouthrollingaroundmybigtwelveballsuntilyoureyesswell.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:48 am

Mace wrote:
Papa Willie wrote:
SunCoastSooner wrote:
I'm shocked you have such great defensive statistics based on having five teams ranked below 50th in SOS currently and six teams ranked below the lowest SOS for a Big 12 school (Oklahoma State 28th). The SEC isn't even done playing Sun Belt teams this year either . . . that takes some serious scheduling talent.
You couldn't suck the Big12's cock anymore if you had to. And you guys aren't supposed to do that. Remember?

This thread is total proof of that, too.
SCS will suck anyone's cock. It's what cocksuckers do.

You can get in line behind your ass buddy. I'll free to let you up for air when you beat Oklahoma . . . or even a Big 12 team for that matter.

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:30 am

Sudden Sam wrote:Ask Gary Pinkel which conference is easier to compete in.

Injuries or not, he's seen enough by now to have a handle on it.

Get over yourself, Homer: Listening to Pinkel on the radio as I have every Monday night in-season over the past 10 years, I can PROMISE you I have never once heard the man utter anything that remotely suggested that conference play was easy.

You missed my point, Sammy... If Missouri played in the XII this year, their defensive stats would drag down conference numbers just as readily as they currently do in the SEC. Mizzou would suck in either league this season.

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:49 am

SunCoastSooner wrote:
Mace wrote:
SCS will suck anyone's cock. It's what cocksuckers do.
You can get in line behind your ass buddy. I'll free to let you up for air when you beat Oklahoma . . . or even a Big 12 team for that matter.

I see you didn't deny being a cocksucker. I'll give you credit for that much.

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:32 pm

Injuries happen.

If Gary Pinkel takes anything away from Mizzou's inaugural season in the SEC, it's this:

You might be able to account for an injury-or-six and finish a banged-up 7th or 8th in a league like the XII, but that dog won't hunt in the SEC. You better have some depth if you wanna play in this league.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:40 am

On a vaguely related note, re: SEC QBs...

So, my good buddy and work partner (semi-pro "superstar" RB) had a reunion game against the archrival high school (which would be Glencoe). Lo and behold, Glencoe kept their QB secret, who everybody thought wasn't coming...

But Erik Ainge, successful SEC QB and NFL clipboard jockey showed up...

And got his freaking clock cleaned. As the witnesses said, "Damn, I wouldn't want that guy starting for my high school team. What happened?"

Fucker got picked off by a 52 year old DB for 6 (dude should have kept running with the ball straight to his car, since he broke his ankle on the next play from scrimmage). I guess the best part was the old fucker outrunning Ainge on the runback.

Because SEC QBs just aren't athletic enough to play Out West, unless you pay them $180K.

BTW -- my buddy had 3 tuddies on 6 touches... about 100 rushing and 100 recieving out of the backfield... then coach benched him (making sure everyone got to play, since many traveled in addition to paying money to play)... then the AD offered him a coaching job. He wanted to line up at safety and take a crack at Ainge, too (who apparently is such a dick, he wasn't invited to the after-party... never knew that).

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:16 pm

Wait... QBs in feeble, Old Man dink-and-dunk offenses put up decent ratings?

Damn, who knew?

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:10 pm

Actually, of those guys, I'm off the PAC QB bandwagon... I think I'd take Steady Teddy Bridgewater over any of them.

Dude is quietly having an amazing season, and since he's in the Big Least, no one cares.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:37 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:Actually, of those guys, I'm off the PAC QB bandwagon... I think I'd take Steady Teddy Bridgewater over any of them.

Dude is quietly having an amazing season, and since he's in the Big Least, no one cares.
The little I've seen of him, he's darn good.

Don't mind me -- I'm going thrfough my midseason meaningless bandwagon phase, and exalting my new totally non-gay CFB mancrush.

Hell, the U of L fan I've been hanging with had to stream the freaking game, since out of the 11 channels showing games all day, Louisville wasn't an option. I think there might have een a Syracuse game on at some point, which is odd with 2 crappy BE teams, when Louisville is the class of the BE, with one of the very best players in the country leading the charge. Seems like the networks would be eager to hype another star, but Louisville gets no love.

Speaking of the anemic BE -- they've got 3 decent teams this season (arguably), and Bridgewater returns next season (most likely, although I believe he redshirted, so he could go), and the conference adds BSU and TCU, if'n I'm not mistaken. They won't be quite the laughingstock they have been of late.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:13 pm

I'll comment -- Murray is quite good.

If you think I'd (or any D1 coach) would take any of that SEC crop besides Murray over a Geno, Klein, Bridgewater, or maybe even Barkely, you're fucking nuts.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 9:54 pm

Steady Teddy went 23/28 (82%) against North Carolina, who was supposed to have a good defense this year.

But really, Louisville's schedule makes Oregon and Bama look like they've played the Giants and Patriots.

But if you get a chance, check him out. The couplefew UL games I've seen, they're unbeaten because the feeble freaking recievers on the feeble offense run a route, and the ball magically appears in their hands.

He might possibly get my Heisman vote, if I had one. Just a really good player... from Florida, I believe.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:04 pm

So my Hillsboro-area homies weren't lying about Erik Ainge's dickishness?

What a douche. Absolutely no place for that in any sport, much less NCAA football. We can go back and forth about McCarron's professional potential, but if shitbags go after his amateur knees, whatever professional potential he has takes a dump.

I'll make fun of McCarron and the Old Man offense he plays til the cows come home, but I'd never wish any harm on him.

Too bad my buddy didn't get the chance to back up his shit at that game -- on the webpage back-and-forth between the schools in the alumni game for months prior (I spend 24/7 with the guy when we work out of town, so I was well up on it), all the Glencoe people kept saying "If Erik Ainge plays, you guys have no chance."

His response was "If Erik Ainge shows up, I'll ask to play safety. Expect a lot of blitzes."

Maybe you or one of your buddies (I know how much you guys love Tenn) should call his show and ask how his HS alumni game went... and ask him if he got outrun by a 52 year old taking it to the house. Might be some good fun.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:21 am

Sam, you really need to calm down about McCarron. He's nothing special. Any QB worth a lick would excel playing in that offense under those conditions against those opponents. The guy has the biggest cushion in the entire sport. His defense makes sure that he's never playing from behind or even in a close game. He hasn't had to execute a single pressure-situation pass all season. His O-line and running game are so dominant that when he does have to throw of course his receivers are wide open. He's a major college QB so he can hit the side of a barn, and any play-action pass Bama attempts is a near certainty to succeed when they're up by thirty against some beaten-to-a-pulp outclassed opponent.

Think he'll be a high first-round draft pick, which is the true indicator of what people who are paid to evaluate talent think of a given prospect? He's not an option/spread QB so he doesn't even have that fallback as his reason for not being drafted highly. He operates a pro-style offense. If he was anything like a Matt Barkley, then guess what? He'd get drafted in the same basic neighborhood of the first round as Barkley will.

He won't. He's just the guy who was handed the keys this year to the easiest QB job in all of college football.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:18 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:He won't go first, but, if he is healthy after next season, top 10.

You mean the top 10 of quarterbacks...right?

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:25 pm

He'll be at least top 5 of quarterbacks. Alabama quarterbacks, that is.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:36 pm

Oh, well in that case:

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:49 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:
MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
Sudden Sam wrote:He won't go first, but, if he is healthy after next season, top 10.
You mean the top 10 of quarterbacks...right?
Nope. Barring any serious injury, McCarron will go in the top 10 overall.

Teams' needs may alter that a little, but I'll stick with that.

So you're assuming that the top 10 teams in the draft all need a quarterback?

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:04 pm

Nope, it pretty much is just your opinion of McCarron. Have you heard any chatter at all about the guy being a Top Ten pick in the draft? I mean from any reputable draft expert/talent evaluator, not from some drunk yahoo posting on sucktidechoad24/7.com?

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:17 pm

Sam wrote:I don't know why anyone doubts his abilities.

I suspect it has to do with the widespread 20-20 vision of NFL talent evaluators.

His passer efficiency rating this year is waaaay higher than Peyton Manning ever posted at Tennessee.

WGARA? What do you think Peyton's efficiency rating would have looked like had he played for this Alabama team with their schedule rather than for his much weaker Tennessee team with their schedule?

You're giving the QB waaaaaaay too much credit. Guys like McElroy and McCarron are not the reason Bama wins. All they're asked to do is not lose the game while completing two or three important short-to-medium pressure-situation passes per year. Any decent QB could "lead" these Bama teams to similar success.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:49 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:I don't know why anyone doubts his abilities.

I'm not doubting his ability to win a fuckton of games as quarterback at Alabama. I'm doubting he'll be drafted in the top 10.

His passer efficiency rating this year is waaaay higher than Peyton Manning ever posted at Tennessee.

Peyton also threw five picks in a game at Tennessee but that didn't stop him from being drafted #1 overall. Why? Because NFL scouts don't give two shits about college stats. They also don't care about MNCs and if a guy's a "winner." At football factories like Bama, all quarterbacks win.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:50 pm

Sam, where do you get that McCarron is anything like a Top Ten pick? Hell, he may not even be one of the first ten guys drafted from his own team.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:53 pm

Digging around, I was shocked to see a site that had him ranked as high as 6 on the NFL charts.

So if 6 of 10 NFL teams take QBs, I guess he coulod be top 10...

but wait...

That's over a year away. Some current underclassmen are GOING to pass him up.

And when McCarron finally plays against an actual defense (sup Geno McCarron), that stock might just drop a bit.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:54 pm

No, Sam, that's not what I'm asking you. You haven't watched 99% of the QBs out there, so you have no idea how he looks compared to nearly all the others.

Is that all you're going by? Your own Crimson-colored eyeballs test? See, 'cause no one else seems to agree with you. Or, if they do, I am not aware of it.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:02 pm

Wait... McCarron dinks and dunks behind "the greatest offensive line in history," and he's better than Teddy Bridgewater, who throws lasers to crap receivers behind a crap line?

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:16 pm

Papa Willie wrote:SS - While I think McCarron is a good QB, he ain't no top 10 pick.

It's not too hard to have good numbers when you ALWAYS have the lead, you have the best OL in the country, and you've got a good running game.

He sure as hell wouldn't have numbers as good as he does now if he was Auburn's QB!

You're obviously not talking about his bank account.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:01 pm

We shall see....if you ever get the joke.