Notre Dame at Oklahoma

[King Crimson]

my granddad was at the game in 1956 when ND broke the 47 win streak.

lotta history here. ND is one of a precious few programs that have had OU's number. USC is the other. Texas is dead even since WWII.

Sooner fan is pretty hyped for this one.

Brian Kelly has been to Norman before with Cincy....in 05 or something.

good Bearcat team.

it's on.

[Moby Dick]

Myself and a few buddies made the road trip to South Be nd in 99 to watch OU against ND...was a GREAT atmosphere...goosebumps as the band came thru campus and into the stadium.

Usher who was at LEAST in his late 70s said it was the first time he'd ever heard Notre Dame boo'd coming out of their own tunnel :twisted:


REALLY wish i could attend this game...should be pretty epic.


early call



OU 32
ND 12

[King Crimson]

Myself and a few buddies made the road trip to South Be nd in 99 to watch OU against ND...was a GREAT atmosphere...goosebumps as the band came thru campus and into the stadium.

Usher who was at LEAST in his late 70s said it was the first time he'd ever heard Notre Dame boo'd coming out of their own tunnel :twisted:


REALLY wish i could attend this game...should be pretty epic.


early call



OU 32
ND 12

i'll take the 1 point win right now....but that 99 game was weirdly formative even though OU lost and ND wasn't that good under Davie. something iconic about that Brandon Daniels kickoff return that made OU fan believe again. that's where the Stoops era began.

somehow.

[Moby Dick]

Hell. Yes.

[King Crimson]

Hell. Yes.

patrick fletcher sighting at about .31. guy was a great PAT holder. him congratting Daniels is some kind of weird Blake era QB metaphor i don't want to think about too much. all that's missing is jake sills. sorta miss the thin double stripe on the pant....the "Oklahoma" on the road jersey i don't remember from 99. doesn't look right.

13 years ago today as a matter of fact.

[Terry in Crapchester]

This seems to be one of the rare occasions where ND's opponent's fanbase is looking to the history of this series moreso than ND's fanbase is. A lot of history in this series, as King Crimson mentioned, but then again, these two teams have only met once since I started school.

For ND, there's the opportunity to match their longest season-opening win streak since 2002, and their longest win streak of any sort since 2006.

Our defense is good enough to keep this one close, but we're facing our sternest test yet, and I don't think we have the horses to match up when push comes to shove. Heart sez ND 24, Oklahoma 10. Head sez Oklahoma 21, ND 17.

[King Crimson]

This seems to be one of the rare occasions where ND's opponent's fanbase is looking to the history of this series moreso than ND's fanbase is. A lot of history in this series, as King Crimson mentioned, but then again, these two teams have only met once since I started school.

For ND, there's the opportunity to match their longest season-opening win streak since 2002, and their longest win streak of any sort since 2006.

Our defense is good enough to keep this one close, but we're facing our sternest test yet, and I don't think we have the horses to match up when push comes to shove. Heart sez ND 24, Oklahoma 10. Head sez Oklahoma 21, ND 17.

yeah, it's all old timey stuff....but, if anything, Oklahomans are bull-headed and know how to hold a grudge. across generations even. like i say, not many teams have the ups on Sooner football, ND is kind of one of them. USC is the other, head to head.

there's also that play like a champion thing. it ain't ND's, it's our sign. Bud brought it from Minnesota...so, kinda the Gophers but ya know....they are Gophers.

don't like everyone picking OU.....Sooners are not a great frontrunner in the Landry Jones era (except against Texas).

true or not, i think there is a perception in OK that ND tried to wiggle out of a return game for 99. now, that the best ND team in the last decade finally makes a trip to Norman...is serendipitous for ND. any number of the White or Bradford Sooners would have lit up Ty or Charlie in a big big way.

[Terry in Crapchester]

yeah, it's all old timey stuff....but, if anything, Oklahomans are bull-headed and know how to hold a grudge. across generations even.

ND fan is the same way. During the Miami week, I had the misfortune (or perhaps stupidity is the better word) to visit one of the ND homer board sites and come across a youtube video of the '85 ND-Miami game. Then I compounded that misfortune/stupidity by clicking on the video. Ripped open an old emotional scab.

There's also that whole Big Ten thing.

like i say, not many teams have the ups on Sooner football, ND is kind of one of them. USC is the other, head to head.

For ND, among opponents with at least 10 games vs. ND all-time, only Michigan and Nebraska have better than a .500 record vs. ND. LSU and Penn State are exactly at .500 all-time vs. ND, as is Tennessee (although Tennessee has only played 8 games vs. ND all-time).

Though with Michigan, the grudge stems more from their efforts at blackballing ND than from their success against us. In fact, since 1978 the series is deadlocked at 14-14-1, whereas Michigan had a 9-2 lead prior to that time (that's probably the only aspect of ND football which has been more successful since 1978 than prior to 1978).

[KumquatOne]

Fuck Notre Dame.

That's all.

(Ducks back in his hole)

[War Wagon]

OU at -10.5 :?

I'll take NDM and the points every damn week.

I watched KSU handle them in Norman, I don't see the domers being much more or less than KSU.

Of course, if OU is really back, it'll be a blowout... but I don't see it happening.

NDM 24
OU 23

[Dinsdale]

.

I watched KSU handle them in Norman, I don't see the domers being much more or less than KSU.

Because we all know the Transitive Property of CFB is a sure-fire, foolproof method of predicting games.

[Left Seater]

the Transitive Property

I was told there would be no math.

[Dinsdale]

the Transitive Property

I was told there would be no math.

There is in fact math, but by using advanced calculus, you can take many short cuts to simplify getting the results of the final equation.

Here, I'll help you out, since this Transitive Property shit can be tricky...

There's 125 D1 teams.

Each team plays 12 regular season games.


Using these figures, if we take the square root of 125, and multiply it by 12 factorial, then mutiply Pi times the radius^2, it looks something like:













Kal (4-8), National Champions

[King Crimson]

OU at -10.5 :?

I'll take NDM and the points every damn week.

I watched KSU handle them in Norman, I don't see the domers being much more or less than KSU.

Of course, if OU is really back, it'll be a blowout... but I don't see it happening.

NDM 24
OU 23

not sure what "handled" means here...to be honest. 24-19 Darth S. OU made mistakes, RZ fumble, short field for KSU, Cats took advantage. Sooners turn it over 3 times. KSU zero. that's the old man's game, sure....but OU outgained KSU, had more first downs...etc. to me "handled" is like you are running the dive play up the middle the last half of the 4th. it's 33-10 or something. or one of time the Chase Daniel teams played in Norman. that was always a "handling". and not like the handling Tiger fan wanted to give Chase in the shower.

back on side here, not sure what to make of this game. 10.5 does seem like a lot though, to me. i know how the spread works....but just on the basis of it. i liked "attitude" Kelly's Cincy teams played with and OU gets soft sometimes. we have these crisis games where for a quarter and a half the whole team is confused for a while. fugue states. then they can't come back and rally enough. KSU game is kinda like that. last year's Tech game in Norman.

on the tradition angle, i know i'm pissing in the wind in today's BTPCF TV world....but a game with this kind of trad should be played in the afternoon....Owen Field and the 1:30 kickoff. screw the 4 hours of commercials interspliced with football in prime time.

best to the Irish fans among us and Boomer Sooner. i'll take the one point win no questions asked.

no injuries and a good clean football game after which both fanbases can drink together at O'Connells.

[Killian]

on the tradition angle, i know i'm pissing in the wind in today's BTPCF TV world....but a game with this kind of trad should be played in the afternoon....Owen Field and the 1:30 kickoff. screw the 4 hours of commercials interspliced with football in prime time.

best to the Irish fans among us and Boomer Sooner. i'll take the one point win no questions asked.

no injuries and a good clean football game after which both fanbases can drink together at O'Connells.

Agree with this. I'm sick of night games. This is ND's fourth with the USC game all but guaranteed to be the fifth.

Heard this morning that ND's kick returner and fastest running back, George Atkinson III didn't make the trip dur to an illness that is making it's way through the team. Awesome. Regardless, I think OU will pull away in the fourth after a close game. I think there will be a break down or two in the Irish secondary, and Jones won't short arm the ball like BYU's QB.

Good luck.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Looks like . . . the all-too-predictable ND meltdown will begin.

If by "meltdown" you mean 10-2 season, then yeah.

Take a look at ND's remaining schedule. I'm pretty sure that 10-2 represents the worst-case scenario, at this point.

Recall that in Mgo's preseason thread, I saw a 9-3 season as the most likely outcome, with 7-5 being the low-end outlier and 10-2 being the high-end outlier. Further recall that Van spent a page plus chastising me over that prediction (curiously, there were crickets from Van when M-Dub gave Colorado a ghost of a chance to finish 9-3, but that's another story). Barring the wheels falling off the rest of the way, I'm pretty sure that ND already has exceeded the expectations of most for this season.

Agree with this. I'm sick of night games.

3th. Night games are fine -- for the Arkansas State's of the BTPCF world. But ND should not be playing night games, period. I know that's just a tad unrealistic of me, but hey, I can dream, can't I?

This is ND's fourth with the USC game all but guaranteed to be the fifth.

I suppose we're fortunate in that regard that Fredo has looked like ass so far this year -- one win all season, that coming against a 1-AA team (Maine), and the only team to lose to Army so far this season. If they had even the makings of a 7-5 season, I'd expect this to be a night game too.

I'm also fortunate in that that game probably will still at least merit regional coverage including the area where I live. You might not be so fortunate, although it's at least possible that this will be one of those reverse mirror games televised on ABC and ESPN2.


And rack King Crimson.

[Van]

I'm pretty sure that ND already has exceeded the expectations of most for this season.

Yes, they have, including yours.

[Killian]

I still wouldn't be surprised to see a "step on your dick" type game, and it wouldn't surprise me if it was Pitt.

I'm not worried about any type of melt down while Kelly is there. Regardless of what happens today and the rest of the year, you can see Kelly building a program

[Truman]

early call



OU 32
ND 12

This. I keep scratching my balls head trying to figure out how this one is even gonna hold an audience past half-time. No doubt, the Irish have a nice team this year, but I have a hard time seeing them scoring points in THAT atmosphere while trying to keep pace with the 5th best (and 3rd in the XII) scoring team in the country.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

No doubt, the Irish have a nice team this year, but I have a hard time seeing them scoring points in THAT atmosphere while trying to keep pace with the 5th best (and 3rd in the XII) scoring team in the country.

Not to go all transitive property but I think KSU proved that with good defense you don't need to beat OU in a shootout. And I think ND's defense is a little better than KSU's.

I do think OU wins but that 10.5 spread is kinda crazy. I'll say OU by a TD.

[Dinsdale]

Not to go all transitive property but I think KSU proved that with good defense you don't need to beat OU in a shootout. And I think ND's defense is a little better than KSU's.

While I can't disagree with any of your analysis, my train of thought is taking me a different direction:

Points will be scored. And ND does have what has so far been a stifling defense (against mostly subpar offenses). OU doesn't have a subpar offense, they have a strong offense that had a subpar game against KSU. That said, I don't see ND having the offensive firepower to keep up in a shootout. And with Gameday in Norman, and that jacked-up late-season crowd, OU's offense will show up... likely big.

I see lots of possessions, and OU coming out ahead on the majority of them.

But whatever way I expect a ame to go, it usually goes the opposite, so it'll probably be 9-6 OU, since I think it should be 45-16.

[Truman]

No doubt, the Irish have a nice team this year, but I have a hard time seeing them scoring points in THAT atmosphere while trying to keep pace with the 5th best (and 3rd in the XII) scoring team in the country.

Not to go all transitive property but I think KSU proved that with good defense you don't need to beat OU in a shootout.
And I think ND's defense is a little better than KSU's.

Turning the ball over three times and twice in your own end doesn't exactly help your cause either.

We're gonna hafta agree to disagree, Mgo. Again, Notre Dame has a nice team this year. But they ain't K-State. I've watched both teams closely, and it ain't close. And while the Irish would easily be the best team in the B1G this season, they don't exactly strike fear in the hearts - much less wake up the ghosts - for those who follow the game west of the Mississippi or south of the Mason-Dixon. A win in Norman tonight will go a long way towards improving that attitude...

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

I'm not saying ND is a great team. I'm saying give me that 10.5 all day long.

[Truman]

I see the other Oklahoma decided to show this evening...

[Killian]

Yep, nothing has to do with the way ND is playing defense.

[War Wagon]

not sure what "handled" means here...to be honest.

10-6 at the half, while not exactly being "handled", Domers are using the same game plan KSU did, stout D backed up with just enough O to keep it close.

OU hasn't lost 2 homes games in a season under Stoops, ever. Not saying they will tonight, but it could happen.

And then we'll get to hear Sooner nation cry about that late holding call (and there was quite the blatant hold that occurred) for the next 20 years.

And to quite honest, any team that walks out of Norman with a W "handled" them.

and not like the handling Tiger fan wanted to give Chase in the shower.

nice.

and Tru? You should listen to me more often. :wink:

[Dinsdale]

Domers are using the same game plan KSU did, stout D backed up with just enough O to keep it close.

So, you contend that Snyder and Kelley's "game plan" was to play medicre offense?


Want another shot at that one?

[Dinsdale]

BTW -- Bama is going to slaughter LSU. They just execute every single play, both sides of the ball.

Not always dazzling, but amazingly consistant.

[Truman]

and Tru? You should listen to me more often. :wink:

So they award points at half like they used to do in the XFL?

BTW, Tehc was covering at half, too.

[King Crimson]

would have liked to have that TD before the half.

[War Wagon]

So they award points at half?

umm...

I keep scratching my balls head trying to figure out how this one is even gonna hold an audience past half-time.

perhaps a little bit more ball scratching, less head scratching.

[King Crimson]

ND FG is probably ballgame. two score game.

props to Terry and Killian.

don't ever like losing but you guys are a good bunch.

[Truman]

Yep. Made a Believer outta me. ND is for-real. Props for a great win.

[Dinsdale]

Awesome defensive effort on the road.

Funny what a superstar will do for a team.

What the hell happened to Landry Jones? Went from superstar to average in a hurry.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

But whatever way I expect a ame to go, it usually goes the opposite

:grin:

[DiT]

real classy bitch move by Stills at the end of the game

[Shoalzie]

Props to the Irish...they shut a lot of people up last night.

[Killian]

real classy bitch move by Stills at the end of the game

You mean this guy?


I'd say the "bitch" label is perfect for him.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Tha fuck?

[Terry in Crapchester]

real classy bitch move by Stills at the end of the game

You mean this guy?


I'd say the "bitch" label is perfect for him.

For his sake, I hope that picture got taken on Halloween night. Otherwise, perhaps he should hook up with AP (who happens to claim OU as one of the dozens of schools he's attended).

And to DiT's larger point, yeah, Stills did cost his team a TD late in the game. It wouldn't have affected the outcome, but if dude doesn't grow up in a hurry, sooner or later he will cost his team a game.

Funny what a superstar will do for a team.

Te'o is a superstar, yes. But he'd be the first to tell you that this has been anything but a one-man effort.

I'd take ND's defensive front seven over any other unit in the country. Even Alabama's. Even Oregon's. And Te'o is only a 1/7 component of that.

What the hell happened to Landry Jones? Went from superstar to average in a hurry.

Jones came out looking awfully sharp on OU's first drive, and my first thought was that we were in for a long evening. I think that botched snap on the first drive rattled him a little, he didn't look quite the same afterwards.

Wood's 62 yard TD run following OU's first FG showed OU that ND could take a punch, get back up, and deliver a punch of its own.

I also think an unheralded part of the game for ND was their time of possession dominance in the third quarter. ND held the ball for something like 13-14 of the first 16 minutes in the second half. Granted, only three points resulted from that, but after OU had dominated time of possession in the first half, I think that went a long way toward negating the board consensus, i.e., that OU would wear ND down in the fourth quarter.

I don't think Jones had a horrible game. The one INT he threw was on a tipped ball, and OU certainly gained a ton of yardage through the air. Unfortunately for Jones, though, that didn't translate into a lot of points.