Remembering toddowen

[Mace]

And the reason your "why" question is so stupid is because it doesn't matter.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

perhaps I'm too close to the situation, but the why does matter to me. perhaps if this had happened somewhere else, I wouldn't care enough to post about it.

don't take that admission as a white flag. you've shown your true colors, that of a sensationalistic dumb fuck more concerned with how people perceive you than you are the actual circumstances of the people affected.

Most people here fit that description, sad to say, and they may all get bent.

Is Dee Snutz your troll? I had to ask.

Look at the silver lining here, Wags, with all of the tax dollars that will be saved by not having a murder trial and the state of Missouri not having to house the worthless fucker for the rest of his life.

[R-Jack]

perhaps I'm too close to the situation, but the why does matter to me.

Too close to the situation? You're a fan of a sports team you ignorant shit. Outside of getting wasted in the same parking lot the killer wasted himself in, you have no connection to the situation whatsofuckingever.

Get a grip you habitually sanctimonious ballsucking idiot.

[War Wagon]

Dee may have you pegged, Mace.

start working on that annoying quote feature, that more than anything else shows how utterly lame you are.

and for mv... yeah, the last thing he thought of before pulling the trigger was how much attention he'd get on the internet.

[mvscal]

and for mv... yeah, the last thing he thought of before pulling the trigger was how much attention he'd get on the internet.

Certainly more attention than he ever got on his lamentably mediocre effort on the gridiron. Had you ever heard of his guy before he blew his braincell out?

[War Wagon]

R-Jack?

I'm really not afraid of you, you may take that out of your sig any day now.

[Mace]

Dee may have you pegged, Mace.

start working on that annoying quote feature, that more than anything else shows how utterly lame you are.

That's a little judgmental of you, don't you think?

He'd have gotten far less attention in here if you'd kept your fucking mouth shut and, in 30 days, no one outside of KC will even remember his name. He'll just be the dumbass who killed his girlfriend and himself.

[War Wagon]

mv

yes, I had heard of him. I watch every game until the bitter end and he has made a few tackles.

but I must admit that when this "breaking news" first came across the wire, I thought it must've been a practice squad player.

54th and Chrysler? My first thought was that was in the slums of Methdependence, not where a made NFL veteran player would reside.

[War Wagon]

Mace, you're the one who caused this thread to take a left turn and you think I should keep my mouth shut?

Go fuck your classless self, T1B tough guy.

[Mace]

Mace, you're the one who caused this thread to take a left turn and you think I should keep my mouth shut?

Go fuck your classless self, T1B tough guy.

Sorry that I interrupted your hand wringing. Carry on, dumbass, and cry yourself to sleep tonight, but don't ask me to sympathize with a murderer. Ain't gonna happen.

[ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2]

perhaps I'm too close to the situation, but the why does matter to me. perhaps if this had happened somewhere else, I wouldn't care enough to post about it.

It's fucking hilarious how you condemn JSC for 'murdering' his child and don't really give a fuck why he/the mother decided to terminate the pregnancy. Which, the last the last time I checked, is legal. However, some scumbag football player does commit murder, a REAL murder, and suddenly you're interested in the why.

Kasandra Perkins was a viable human being. There is no debate whatsoever that she was a living, breathing person. And she was terminated.

Care to explain yourself, you sick fuck?

[Smackie Chan]

You pass judgment on those who've been divorced without knowing why it happened.

divorce is an entirely different set of circumstances than murder/suicide but of course, you already knew that.

Right. And I would say on the scale of evil-doings, divorce ranks considerably lower than murder. So if someone were to pass judgment on one, but not the other, without knowing why either was done, I'll go out on a limb and say you're safer to judge the douche who offs his g/f, kills himself, and leaves a 3-yr-old parentless than to condemn someone who's been divorced. The "why" matters little, if at all, in the first case. There isn't a satisfactory argument I can think of that would justify a murder/suicide/orphaning. There are plenty of good reasons to justify divorce. Unless you're Judge Wags.

[Screw_Michigan]

Too close to the situation? You're a fan of a sports team you ignorant shit. Outside of getting wasted in the same parking lot the killer wasted himself in, you have no connection to the situation whatsofuckingever.

Wait, so you're telling me just because I was raised Catholic I'm not a "part" of the esteemed Notre Dame football program?

Sin,

Killitard

P.S. This board is so racist.

[Derron]

I watch every game until the bitter end and he has made a few tackles.

54th and Chrysler? My first thought was that was in the slums of Methdependence, not where a made NFL veteran player would reside.

Props to you for hanging in there with a 1-10 team. I like my favorite teams, but if your going 1-10, I am getting off the bandwagon and finding something else to do with my free time. Part of sports is competition, and 1-10 is not competition. Keep us posed on the KC news wire there Wags..I am thinking there is some ass clown in your hood who may go with the sympathy suicide or shower rod job, I mean with the team out of the play offs and all , there is always next year.

A " made veteran player" who has made a FEW tackles. 1-10, and at the end of the season and he has made a few tackles ?? Real made player there.

The guy was a real head case piece of shit. Why you ask ?

1. He lives in KC.
2. He plays for a bottom dwelling 1-10 team.
3. He has made a "few" tackles.
4. For an ugly bastard like him, he seemed able to pull a pretty good looking girl.
5. He did not want to let down the fans of a suck ass team, so he did something to take the spotlight off the suck ass team.
6. You can fill in the rest of the WHY reasons.

[Jay in Phoenix]

Wags' question of "why" is the correct one. The "why" will help everyone understand that the real problem here was mental illness and introducing moral relativist terms like "courage" is pointless at best.

He wasn't a "piece of shit", but what he did was definitely shitty.

Now, your nation can try and understand mental health issues that are becoming epidemic in our time, or you can just over-medicate the fuck out of the entire population.
One will lead you to a better understanding of the human condition...the other leads to peril.

I agree with you to a point Marty. The question of "Why?" is both relevant and correct, and mental illness was obviously a factor. Calling this guy a "piece of shit" however is not harsh enough a term. If he had simply taken his own life, so be it. That then might just make him stupid and a coward at worst. However...he murdered his girlfriend in cold blood. He left an infant parentless. That was a calculated act. No 'why' will make that excuseable. Attempting to understand the physical or environmental causes of suicide is a step in the right direction of enlightening the human condition. Yet, using Occam's Razor as analogy, the simplest, most basic reason is usually the correct one. In this case, a selfish and shitty, cowardly act is just that. I might have a degree of sympathy if it had just been a suicide. With the murder added in, all bets are off.

Fuck Jovan Belcher.

And Wags, your hypocritical and disgustingly blind defense of this asshole, just because he played for your abominable team is offensive. For once in your miserable inbred life, shut the fuck up and stick a fork in yourself.

You're done.

[smackaholic]

And Wags, your hypocritical and disgustingly blind defense of this asshole, just because he played for your abominable team is offensive. For once in your miserable inbred life, shut the fuck up and stick a fork in yourself.

You're done.

post of the week.

rack jay.

[War Wagon]

I'll say it again for those of you too stupid to comprehend the words I've posted from the start... there's no defense for what Belcher did, none. And no forgiveness will ever be possible. Doesn't matter who he was, that he played for the Chiefs or whatever. It simply drew more attention from me because he did.

What part of that don't some of you idiots get?

Instead, most of the ignorant comments were bad jokes about an extremely sad situation. Need I specifically point any of those out? Not worth my time but suffice to say that not a one of you trying to pile on were the least bit concerned about the girl or the baby, until you saw an opportunity to use that to your advantage.

[War Wagon]

You pass judgment on those who've been divorced without knowing why it happened.

divorce is an entirely different set of circumstances than murder/suicide but of course, you already knew that.

Right. And I would say on the scale of evil-doings, divorce ranks considerably lower than murder. So if someone were to pass judgment on one, but not the other, without knowing why either was done, I'll go out on a limb and say you're safer to judge the douche who offs his g/f, kills himself, and leaves a 3-yr-old parentless than to condemn someone who's been divorced. The "why" matters little, if at all, in the first case. There isn't a satisfactory argument I can think of that would justify a murder/suicide/orphaning. There are plenty of good reasons to justify divorce. Unless you're Judge Wags.

Being as how you're one of the few people in here i actually respect, I'll give this the response it deserves and even use the multiple quote feature, which I despise but which is sometimes necessary...

As for you're 1st statement/premise... I don't pass judgement on people who've been divorced. I just think divorce can and should be avoided by all means possible, same as abortion.

Alas, I know neither are unavoidable and many for good reason. But also that some times people use them for their own selfish reasons, a matter of convenience, rather than taking responsibility for decisions that got them there in the first place.

Neither of those involve a spur of the moment decision. A murder/suicide however, is most likely a reflexive act. I say "most likely" because I don't know what was going thru Belchers sick mind before he pulled the trigger and neither does anyone else.

[Diego in Seattle]

because I don't know what was going thru Belchers sick mind before he pulled the trigger and neither does anyone else.

I do....

Lead

Glad I could halp -

Are you saying there was a second gunman, or that your reading comprehension skills could use a little brushing up on?

:D

[Trampis]

Todd ,after he forgot to add oil to the gas of his Rd350

[Smackie Chan]

because I don't know what was going thru Belchers sick mind before he pulled the trigger and neither does anyone else.

I do....

Lead

The difference between before and after is kinda significant.

Glad I could halp

Me too. Not sure what halp is, but I'm sure I need all I can get.

[Smackie Chan]

A murder/suicide however, is most likely a reflexive act. I say "most likely" because I don't know what was going thru Belchers sick mind before he pulled the trigger and neither does anyone else.

He may have been thinking about the strange he got the night before.

[smackaholic]

Well, now it all makes sense.

He went out the night before with some skank and banged the shit out of her all night. Then that miserable little cunt had the audacity to nag him about it.

Justifiable homicide, no doubt.

[ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2]

KC/Self Depreciating humor is lost on T1B

I am not sure you have any value left to lose. You may want to junk yourself.

[Terry in Crapchester]

As for you're 1st statement/premise... I don't pass judgement on people who've been divorced. I just think divorce can and should be avoided by all means possible, same as abortion.

And murder-suicide should not?

I'm with Smackie here. In the pantheon of evil acts, divorce (and for that matter, abortion) rank considerably lower on the evil scale than does murder-suicide. Divorce, at least, leaves both parties alive.

[Smackie Chan]

Divorce, at least, leaves both parties alive.

Yeah, well, there's a downside to everything.

[Go Coogs']

toddowen loved Craig Biggio as a player.

Wags, lay down my friend.

[smackaholic]

Save your breath, rumps. wags wants to play board speedbag on this one.

[Derron]

A murder/suicide however, is most likely a reflexive act. I say "most likely" because I don't know what was going thru Belchers sick mind before he pulled the trigger and neither does anyone else.

Reflexive act my fucking ass. Complete and total premeditation. Dude planned it from the minute he decided to draw his steel and shoot her. Fortunately, he also planned to cap himself, of course to get away from the consequences of his premeditated action against her.

[R-Jack]

Divorce, at least, leaves both parties alive.

They're both dead to Wags. The only difference is that he won't wring his hands over the "why"