Conn. school shooting

[Mikey]

So there's nothing between an AR16 with a 100 shot barrel magazine and a flintlock muzzle loader?

Maybe you should learn the name of the rifle before you spout your expertise.

Never claimed any expertise, dolt.
So why don't you explain where I went so wrong? Is flintlock supposed to be two words?
Do you have anything to actually refute my point or are you just going to display your anal retentiveness for the world to see?

[smackaholic]

So there's nothing between an AR16 with a 100 shot barrel magazine and a flintlock muzzle loader?

You're a hysterical idiot. You really should go turn one of those on yourself.

There is a hell of a lot of difference. The trouble is you fukkers claim you don't want to intrude on the rights of people for self defense purposes, claiming you are not against them having certain guns for this purpose, which anyone with the slightest clue would assume means normal modern semi-auto handguns. And to be quite honest with you, there is not a huge difference between that AK15 ('sup bill o'reilly) and a 9 mm pistol, when going up against unarmed 6 year olds.

So tell me then mikey. What weapons would you ban?

[mvscal]

Never claimed any expertise, dolt.
So why don't you explain where I went so wrong? Is flintlock supposed to be two words?
Do you have anything to actually refute my point or are you just going to display your anal retentiveness for the world to see?

Well, yes, it is important to have at least some general idea of the subject material before you pop off on the topic. And, yes, there is no functional difference between an M-16 and a flintlock musket. Both were considered state of the art "assault weapons" in their respective times. So, yes, the founders clearly envisioned Americans having access to the best weapons they could desire and/or afford including artillery.

The AR-15 is NOT an assault rifle. It's a semi-automatic rifle in .223 caliber. An assault rifle is a select fire weapon and they are already tightly restricted and have never been used in any of these massacres.

[Mikey]

And to be quite honest with you, there is not a huge difference between that AK15 ('sup bill o'reilly) and a 9 mm pistol, when going up against unarmed 6 year olds.

That's where you and I disagree, and all the arguing back and forth in the world isn't going to change either one of our opinions.

But your argument that if we ban even one type of weapon or ammo loading device we might as well ban all of them (except for the muzzle loaders) is complete and utter hogwash. In my opinion.
I'm pretty sure citizens aren't allowed to own howitzers, or even RPGs, for self defense. Do you think we should lift those unreasonable bans too?

And...if you can't get the name of the weapon right you might as well just eject anyway.
sin
dins

[mvscal]

And to be quite honest with you, there is not a huge difference between that AK15 ('sup bill o'reilly) and a 9 mm pistol, when going up against unarmed 6 year olds.

That's where you and I disagree,

What the fuck would you know about it? Here's your chance. Lay out the big difference.

[Mace]

Rack Roach.

[smackaholic]

And to be quite honest with you, there is not a huge difference between that AK15 ('sup bill o'reilly) and a 9 mm pistol, when going up against unarmed 6 year olds.

That's where you and I disagree, and all the arguing back and forth in the world isn't going to change either one of our opinions.

Disagree all you want. They work exactly the same way. Pull trigger, it goes boom. Each is magazine fed. Each is more than capable of blowing lethal holes in little kids at close range. The AR is better if you are plunking them from 50 yards, but then again, a hunting rifle is better yet for that chore.

So if it's the "maxi clip" think that gets your panties up in a wad, save it. As I said before, it ain't hard to just carry extra clips and they take 2-3 seconds to re-load. Pretty much a non-issue when we are talking about armed nutjobs vs unarmed people.

[LTS TRN 2]

Both were considered state of the art "assault weapons" in their respective times. So, yes, the founders clearly envisioned Americans having access to the best weapons they could desire and/or afford including artillery.

The AR-15 is NOT an assault rifle. It's a semi-automatic rifle in .223 caliber. An assault rifle is a select fire weapon and they are already tightly restricted and have never been used in any of these massacres.

Do you really ever dare to look in the mirror? Or is it just straight from the right-wing radio prep session to the liquor cabinet and to the 'puter?

Because if you really pretend to believe this sort of dented version of idiocy that passes for a "founders' intention" line of interpretation of the 2nd amendment, it would stand to reason that you are either a total fraud--a shill, really, hired to flood boards with a steady drone of extremist bile, or that you are a truly demented "prepper" who should be considered a ticking sort of weirdo ready to blow.

To suggest some parsed difference between an "assault rifle" and, oh, a standard weapon of choice for nut-jobs gone wild, this tech -9



is so pathetic and weaselly as to defy belief...except that you're a.....of course :wink:

[smackaholic]

So what is the difference between that scary pic and say a regular old timey semi-auto like the colt 1911 .45 which, in case you hadn't figured it out yet has been around since 1911?

Not much, aside from the larger capacity clip, which, once again, doesn't matter much when it is armed nut job vs unarmed person. And that is the type of altercation that we are talking about here.

Personally, I'll take the old school 1911. Empty that motherfukker into someone's chest at close range and he will be guaranfukkinteed deader than ted kennedy. Those newer scarier looking semi-autos, not so much. You could ask pope john paul, but he's kinda dead now. He played 9mm sponge and lived to tell about it.

[Rooster]

This needs to be said in contrast to those sexy "assault weapons" ie black plastic-y firearms: An old fashioned wheel gun with a speed loader is equally as fast, if not faster in some situations as a magazine-type fed weapon. It generally holds 6 rounds and can be fired, reloaded, and fired as often and as quickly as one may have them in his possession. Note that number-- 6. Not 10, not 15, not 30, or 100. 6. The size or capacity of a weapon is not indicator of its' lethality. The skill level of the shooter is.

In sheer terms of deadliness a shotgun-- something which can be purchesed anywhere --is a far more effective a killing device than any other projectile weapon in moderate ranges other than a claymore mine or maybe foo gas. It requires no particular technique, it only needs to have the trigger pulled with the barrel pointed in the general direction of that which you want to shoot, and does a fairly effective and efficient job of blasting holes in one or more targets per shot. Why are not these terrible weapons being hunted down as vigorously as AR-15s and Tech9s? I suspect two reasons: one, they aren't all that sexy when compared to those "evil" looking plastic guns LTS despises. And two, Hollywood doesn't use them as standard props like in movies such as The Expendables where the actors hold high tech rifles on their hips and look all badass.

But don't let reality slap you in the face while you anti-gun nuts feverishly try to stop honest American citizens from owning relatively non-deadly semi-automatic weapons. Just remember that you can purchase a shotty from nearly any Five & Dime around the nation.

[Derron]

Rack Roach.

Double rack Roach.

[Derron]

In sheer terms of deadliness a shotgun-- something which can be purchesed anywhere --is a far more effective a killing device than any other projectile weapon in moderate ranges other than a claymore mine or maybe foo gas. It requires no particular technique, it only needs to have the trigger pulled with the barrel pointed in the general direction of that which you want to shoot, and does a fairly effective and efficient job of blasting holes in one or more targets per shot.

A common weapon of choice if facing multiple targets inside 50 yards. Double 00 buck shot in a tactical 12 gauge with 18inch barrel. 6 in the magazine, 1 in the chamber, and however many more you can get on the sling holder and buttstock holder. That gives you 63 rounds down range before you reload. But it is not "high capacity. "

I "might" own one or more or none of those guns.

[Derron]

a standard weapon of choice for nut-jobs gone wild, this tech -9

Link ?

[smackaholic]

a standard weapon of choice for nut-jobs gone wild, this tech -9

Link ?

prolly from the same site he gets his metallurgical info from.

[mvscal]

a standard weapon of choice for nut-jobs gone wild, this tech -9

Link ?

We should be so lucky. The tec 9 is a complete piece of shit.

[Mikey]

Disagree all you want. They work exactly the same way. Pull trigger, it goes boom. Each is magazine fed. Each is more than capable of blowing lethal holes in little kids at close range. The AR is better if you are plunking them from 50 yards, but then again, a hunting rifle is better yet for that chore.

So if it's the "maxi clip" think that gets your panties up in a wad, save it. As I said before, it ain't hard to just carry extra clips and they take 2-3 seconds to re-load. Pretty much a non-issue when we are talking about armed nutjobs vs unarmed people.

So, if the clip size doesn't matter then why does anybody need the large ones? It's just as easy to carry around a bag full of the small ones, right?

[smackaholic]

If you had bothered to read any of my earlier posts, you'll notice that I said smaller clips will due fine when your opponent has nothing to return fire, so a 3 second delay is not that big a deal. And this is the situation in these massacres. In a different scenario where an armed person is defending himself against an intruder who may also be armed, having the ability to keep shooting without interuption comes in handy.

Anyway, since you have pretty much admitted that clip size is no obstacle to mass killers, WTF is to be gained by making them illegal.

Face it mikey, this is nothing more than another political football to be kicked around

To bad pols can't get together and focus on the real problem which is dealing with batshit crazies before they kill.

[mvscal]

So, if the clip size doesn't matter then why does anybody need the large ones?

Who gives a fuck? Maybe they miss a lot. Maybe they don't fucking feel like carrying around a bag of small mags. You just admitted it doesn't matter, so fuck off and mind your own goddamn business.

[Mikey]

So, if the clip size doesn't matter then why does anybody need the large ones?

Who gives a fuck? Maybe they miss a lot. Maybe they don't fucking feel like carrying around a bag of small mags. You just admitted it doesn't matter, so fuck off and mind your own goddamn business.

I didn't admit shit, you stupid fucking moron. Try reading and then thinking for once in your miserable life.

[smackaholic]

I didn't admit shit, you stupid fucking moron. Try reading and then thinking for once in your miserable life.

You more or less did here in your rather weak ass argument against large clips.

So, if the clip size doesn't matter then why does anybody need the large ones? It's just as easy to carry around a bag full of the small ones, right?

[Mikey]

In a different scenario where an armed person is defending himself against an intruder who may also be armed, having the ability to keep shooting without interuption comes in handy.

So, if there's an intruder in your house are you going to pick up a 9 mm automatic with a normal size clip, the ARK15-16-17 with a 100 round can or the M60 and sling the ammo belt over your shoulder.

I know you picture yourself as Tony fucking Montana but be realistic.

[Mikey]

I didn't admit shit, you stupid fucking moron. Try reading and then thinking for once in your miserable life.

You more or less did here in your rather weak ass argument against large clips.

So, if the clip size doesn't matter then why does anybody need the large ones? It's just as easy to carry around a bag full of the small ones, right?

Bullshit. I said IF it doesn't matter than why does anybody need the large ones?

I say it DOES matter and the only reason anybody really needs them is either to kill a lot people at once or because they got a little teeny dick and still like to play army.

I'm about 110% sure mvscal fits the second description. Which one are you?

[mvscal]

I say it DOES matter and the only reason anybody really needs them is either to kill a lot people at once

Or maybe you're a korean who owns a store in LA. I guess that's kind of the same thing, though. Oh, BTW, why would police need such magazines then? Do the police need to kill a lot of people at once? Is that something we really want them doing? Has "Protect and Serve" become "Bag 'em and Tag 'em"?

The bottom line remains. There are lots of people out there who need killing and some day you might have to kill them in bunches.

[Diego in Seattle]

I say it DOES matter and the only reason anybody really needs them is either to kill a lot people at once

Or maybe you're a korean who owns a store in LA. I guess that's kind of the same thing, though. Oh, BTW, why would police need such magazines then? Do the police need to kill a lot of people at once? Is that something we really want them doing? Has "Protect and Serve" become "Bag 'em and Tag 'em"?

You should take your own advice & not mash your keyboard over subjects you have no knowledge about.

[mvscal]

I couldn't help but notice you didn't answer the questions posed. Were your hands full with a small boy's cock?

[Diego in Seattle]

I noticed that you couldn't come up with a logical post regarding LE. Did your wife give you another concussion during last night's beatings?

[Mikey]

In a different scenario where an armed person is defending himself against an intruder who may also be armed, having the ability to keep shooting without interuption comes in handy.

So, if there's an intruder in your house are you going to pick up a 9 mm automatic with a normal size clip, the ARK15-16-17 with a 100 round can or the M60 and sling the ammo belt over your shoulder.

I know you picture yourself as Tony fucking Montana but be realistic.

So if there's an intruder in your house (and if you HAD a gun, you had to turn it into Barry) with a gun, and he's beating up one of your family members, which way would you feel better - "Oh hell - I'd better call the cops" or "Smile, motherfucker - I'm about to blow your fucking brains out"?

I'm gonna go with option #2.

There you go again with the strawman. You just can't help it, can you?

But to answer your question, if somebody was beating up one of my family members I probably wouldn't start shooting at him, especially with a rifle. Would you? Really. Think about it.

[smackaholic]

I noticed that you couldn't come up with a logical post regarding LE. Did your wife give you another concussion during last night's beatings?

goddammit, dago, that's terry's meme. mvscal is the beaner. sheeeesh.

[Diego in Seattle]

I noticed that you couldn't come up with a logical post regarding LE. Did your wife give you another concussion during last night's beatings?

goddammit, dago, that's terry's meme. mvscal is the beaner. sheeeesh.

It should be mvscal's as well. The reason is obvious from his postings.

[smackaholic]

It should be mvscal's as well. The reason is obvious from his postings.

yeah, well, it's not. if you would simply put that 7 year old's dick down for a minute and read the T1B user's manual, you'd realize it.

[Derron]

But to answer your question, if somebody was beating up one of my family members I probably wouldn't start shooting at him, especially with a rifle. Would you? Really. Think about it.

Of course you would not do it. You are a pacifist liberal who is unable to protect or defend himself or those dependent upon you. You expect others such as LE, to do it for you. You would most likely say, stop doing that or I am going to call the police, while the perp continues to beat your old lady or kids senseless. Probably walk over, load and spark the bong, pour a glass of wine, and wait at the front door for "help". Don't bother being responsible for yourself.

Could I do it ? Mother fucker is never getting 5 feet in my house alive. Decision made that fast. Well ahead of the time of needing to make that decision.

[Mikey]

There you go again with the strawman. You just can't help it, can you?

But to answer your question, if somebody was beating up one of my family members I probably wouldn't start shooting at him, especially with a rifle. Would you? Really. Think about it.

If they're in my house, uninvited, and beating one of my family members - and I have one of my guns - without hesitation, I aim at their head and blow it off. There's a law in Georgia now saying if somebody comes onto your property and is doing something like that - you can shoot.

Man - seriously. We're past the point of no return. There are TOO many guns in America. If there were 1/4 of the guns - there might be a little hope. Now there's not. You and I both know the crooks aren't going to turn their guns in.

I guess people with guns will generally go for the gun first. That's probably why people with guns in their house statistically are more likely to die from getting shot.

I don't own any but, even if I did, in that situation I'd probably go for the 24 oz. milled face framing hammer and put a few waffle marks on the back of his head (or maybe break a kneecap). The hammer is about as effective, probably more accurate at close range and a lot less likely to ventilate your loved one's cranial cavity by mistake.

You must be pretty confident in your shooting abilities.

[Mikey]

But to answer your question, if somebody was beating up one of my family members I probably wouldn't start shooting at him, especially with a rifle. Would you? Really. Think about it.

Of course you would not do it. You are a pacifist liberal who is unable to protect or defend himself or those dependent upon you. You expect others such as LE, to do it for you. You would most likely say, stop doing that or I am going to call the police, while the perp continues to beat your old lady or kids senseless. Probably walk over, load and spark the bong, pour a glass of wine, and wait at the front door for "help". Don't bother being responsible for yourself.

Could I do it ? Mother fucker is never getting 5 feet in my house alive. Decision made that fast. Well ahead of the time of needing to make that decision.

Gosh Derron, your're a real man, aren't you? I mean a real MAN'S man.
I sure wouldn't want to get on your bad side.





Tell me something, do you get together with mvscal and trade Axe products?

[Derron]

I don't own any but, even if I did, in that situation I'd probably go for the 24 oz. milled face framing hammer and put a few waffle marks on the back of his head (or maybe break a kneecap). The hammer is about as effective, probably more accurate at close range and a lot less likely to ventilate your loved one's cranial cavity by mistake.

You must be pretty confident in your shooting abilities.

Glad to see you want to take that up close step and go hand to hand with the perp. Are you going to bash his brains in before or after he knifes you from your dick to your throat ? Getting up close and in physical contact with the perp is a very last resort form a tactical stand point. Tell me you knew that...

[Derron]

I don't own any but, even if I did, in that situation I'd probably go for the 24 oz. milled face framing hammer and put a few waffle marks on the back of his head (or maybe break a kneecap). The hammer is about as effective, probably more accurate at close range and a lot less likely to ventilate your loved one's cranial cavity by mistake.

You must be pretty confident in your shooting abilities.

Glad to see you want to take that up close step and go hand to hand with the perp. Are you going to bash his brains in before or after he knifes you from your dick to your throat ? Getting up close and in physical contact with the perp is a very last resort from a tactical stand point.

Letting the perp get in your house is the first mistake, then letting him make physical contact with you or a family member is the second mistake, then going hand to hand will probably be your third mistake and then your dead.

Oh..and that knife the perp just stuck in your gut while you were raising your fearsome hammer to smite him..well that knife wound is probably going to be fatal, and you will have a few minutes to contemplate that before you die. Tell me you knew that...

[Derron]

But to answer your question, if somebody was beating up one of my family members I probably wouldn't start shooting at him, especially with a rifle. Would you? Really. Think about it.

Of course you would not do it. You are a pacifist liberal who is unable to protect or defend himself or those dependent upon you. You expect others such as LE, to do it for you. You would most likely say, stop doing that or I am going to call the police, while the perp continues to beat your old lady or kids senseless. Probably walk over, load and spark the bong, pour a glass of wine, and wait at the front door for "help". Don't bother being responsible for yourself.

Could I do it ? Mother fucker is never getting 5 feet in my house alive. Decision made that fast. Well ahead of the time of needing to make that decision.

Gosh Derron, your're a real man, aren't you? I mean a real MAN'S man.
I sure wouldn't want to get on your bad side.





Tell me something, do you get together with mvscal and trade Axe products?

Nice deflect attempt there Mikey. Letting one of your family members or yourself get into the position of being "beaten" by a perp, shows what a real fucking pussy you are. Going to weak Rambo and faggy hygiene products confirms that. Carry on.

[Mikey]

I don't own any but, even if I did, in that situation I'd probably go for the 24 oz. milled face framing hammer and put a few waffle marks on the back of his head (or maybe break a kneecap). The hammer is about as effective, probably more accurate at close range and a lot less likely to ventilate your loved one's cranial cavity by mistake.

You must be pretty confident in your shooting abilities.

Glad to see you want to take that up close step and go hand to hand with the perp. Are you going to bash his brains in before or after he knifes you from your dick to your throat ? Getting up close and in physical contact with the perp is a very last resort form a tactical stand point.

Letting the perp get in your house is the first mistake, then letting him make physical contact with you or a family member is the second mistake, then going hand to hand will probably be your third mistake and then your dead. Tell me you knew that...

You might try reading the entire discussion before putting your dick in your mouth. The premise that shutyomouth presented, and I was responding to, was that somebody was beating up a family member.

It wasn't somebody breaking into the house.
It wasn't jack-booted government agents breaching your security perimeter.
It wasn't somebody coming at you with a knife.
It was some intruder beating on a family member. Try to remember this.

So, if you come home, or wake up, or whatever, and find an intruder beating up a family member are you going to pull a out an M16 or even a 9 mm and start shooting? Good luck with that and be prepared to kiss your family member goodbye. Yeah, I know, you can shoot with pinpoint accuracy and can hit a 4 inch circle on a moving target from 10 or 15 feet 100% of the time. Most people probably can't though. Even if you do you'd better make sure your loved one isn't behind the perp when you shoot.

So, yeah, I'll go after the intruder with the framing hammer or if I don't want to get so up close and personal maybe I'll pull out the closest Louisville Slugger or 9 iron.

isn't it time for you to go and check your security cameras? I think a possum may have triggered one of your trip wires you fucking hysterical paranoid freak.

[Derron]

You might try reading the entire discussion before putting your dick in your mouth. The premise that shutyomouth presented, and I was responding to, was that somebody was beating up a family member.

It wasn't somebody breaking into the house.
It wasn't jack-booted government agents breaching your security perimeter.
It wasn't somebody coming at you with a knife.
It was some intruder beating on a family member. Try to remember this.

So, if you come home, or wake up, or whatever, and find an intruder beating up a family member are you going to pull a out an M16 or even a 9 mm and start shooting? Good luck with that and be prepared to kiss your family member goodbye. Yeah, I know, you can shoot with pinpoint accuracy and can hit a 4 inch circle on a moving target from 10 or 15 feet 100% of the time. Most people probably can't though. Even if you do you'd better make sure your loved one isn't behind the perp when you shoot.

So, yeah, I'll go after the intruder with the framing hammer or if I don't want to get so up close and personal maybe I'll pull out the closest Louisville Slugger or 9 iron.

isn't it time for you to go and check your security cameras? I think a possum may have triggered one of your trip wires you fucking hysterical paranoid freak.

Lay out all the alternative scenarios you want to Mikey, and all the " but I said this" bullshit, but the fact is you are still going hand to hand. Let's look at your scenario, which you will change of course to suit your needs...

So, if you come home, or wake up, or whatever, and find an intruder beating up a family member are you going to pull a out an M16 or even a 9 mm and start shooting?

Yes I am. 9 mm for your information. That would be the tactical choice for that situation. Living in a rural area, Even though that person maybe just "beating " my family member, I am going to assume he may have other deadly weapons. Assuming he is just "beating" them could be a fatal assumption. Felony physical assault can be met with deadly force.

I have multiple driveway alarms. They trigger when ever someone drives in walks in or other wise breaks the infrared plane. This then allows me to see who or what has entered my property. If some one got into my house, past the door locks, got past the German Shepard, and assaulted a family member, then I am going to shoot them, with the gun I carry or have within arms reach at all time. If the family member has not shot them first.

Yeah, I know, you can shoot with pinpoint accuracy and can hit a 4 inch circle on a moving target from 10 or 15 feet 100% of the time. Yeah, I know, you can shoot with pinpoint accuracy and can hit a 4 inch circle on a moving target from 10 or 15 feet 100% of the time.

Don't have to hit a 4 inch circle. 3 rounds into a 16 inch body area is going to stop the threat. And to your surprise, since I train and practice, a 4 inch moving circle from 10 or 15 feet is really not that hard.

Even if you do you'd better make sure your loved one isn't behind the perp when you shoot.

No fucking shit. Training, training, training.

So, yeah, I'll go after the intruder with the framing hammer or if I don't want to get so up close and personal maybe I'll pull out the closest Louisville Slugger or 9 iron.

So you carry a framing hammer and 9 nine iron with you, or have them placed in your home where you can get to them in under 10 seconds ? In your car ? On your person walking the dog ? Still going hand to hand even with a weapon. Getting inside the perps circle that close is going to dramatically increase your odds of being injured or killed, rendering you useless of any further assistance to your beaten family member.

Make fun of all my shit as much as you want there pacifist Mikey. Those who can do, those who can't call 911 and wait for help.

[smackaholic]

I don't own any but, even if I did, in that situation I'd probably go for the 24 oz. milled face framing hammer and put a few waffle marks on the back of his head (or maybe break a kneecap). The hammer is about as effective, probably more accurate at close range and a lot less likely to ventilate your loved one's cranial cavity by mistake.

You must be pretty confident in your shooting abilities.

Glad to see you want to take that up close step and go hand to hand with the perp. Are you going to bash his brains in before or after he knifes you from your dick to your throat ? Getting up close and in physical contact with the perp is a very last resort form a tactical stand point. Tell me you knew that...

Apparently he is unfamiliar with the "don't bring a claw hammer to a gun fight" rule.

Also, we have old fat mr bionic hip dude. let's say the perp is 24, 6' 1, 215 lbs and probably just a little more practiced in the art of hand to hand combat.

What then?

I'll tell you what, he drops your OL, turns around and prolly jams that 24 oz milled face framing hammer up your ass sideways.

As for how good a shot Derron is, I am going to go way out on a limb and guess he's adequate. And adequate is plenty good enough for popping the gourd of some fukk feet away.

Nice KYOA, btw with the rambo pic. Rambo actually could use the claw hammer or pretty much anything at hand to buttfukk mr perp in the mouf. A sensible middle aged dude, especially one broke down enough to have a fukkin' C-bag knows better. He rather have his friends Mr Colt and Mr Smith give him a hand.

[smackaholic]

shooting a douchebag with a 9 mm, center of body mass (a pretty easy shot) will not harm the person behind them. It is a slow round. Shooting them with your 30-06 rifle might not go as well.