Obama's Gun Talk

[Derron]

That's because whack jobs bent on killing people always do it in 'self-defense free zones' like schools and malls, you fucking idiot.

always?

lets take a look





so there were sixteen multiple shootings and of those, seven occurred in gun free zones

those are just the multiple shootings that occurred in 2012, should I go back a few years or would you care to retract your idiotic statement now.....

So what the fuck is your point? Oh, mv said all the shootings occurred in gun free zones, so you needed to prove him wrong.

So out of 16 shootings, 7 were in gun free zones. Almost half of them then. The rest were perped by criminals in "non gun free zones".

Why were there shootings in the gun free zones then ?? I mean, the laws say those zones should have been free of guns. The criminals did not obey those laws. Shocking. That would lend credence to the fact that gun free zones are complete horseshit then.

So since all you liberal handwringers understand that gun free zones are horseshit, then just make every place a gun free zones. I see you working. Gun free zone....what a fucking crock of shit and complete waste of words.

How are you proposing to make sure the criminals understand and respect these gun free zones ?

[mvscal]

That's because whack jobs bent on killing people always do it in 'self-defense free zones' like schools and malls, you fucking idiot.

always?

Yes, always.

February 22, 2012—Five people were killed in at a Korean health spa in Norcross, Georgia (not a gun free zone)

Prove it.

February 26, 2012-multiple gunmen shoot up a nightclub crown in Jackson, Tennessee (not a gun free zone)

Since when are you allowed to carry firearms in an establishment that sells alcohol?

February 27, 2012—Three students at Chardon High School in rural Ohio were killed (gun free zone)

Check.

March 8, 2012—Two people were killed and seven wounded at a psychiatric hospital in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania (unknown but likely a gun free zone)

Psychiatric hospitals? Do you even have to ask? Check.

March 31, 2012—A gunman opened fire on a crowd of mourners at a North Miami, Florida, funeral home, killing two people and injuring 12 others. (not a gun free zone)

Prove it.

April 2, 2012—A 43-year-old former student at Oikos University in Oakland, California, walked into his former school and killed seven people, “execution-style.” Three people were wounded. (gun free zone)

Check

April 6, 2012—Two men went on a deadly shooting spree in Tulsa, Oklahoma, shooting black men at random in an apparently racially motivated attack. Three men died and two were wounded. (not a gun free zone)

Not a mass shooting.

May 29, 2012—A man in Seattle, Washington, opened fire in a coffee shop and killed five people and then himself. (not a gun free zone)

Prove it.

July 9, 2012—At a soccer tournament in Wilmington, Delaware, three people were killed, including a 16-year-old player and the event organizer, when multiple gunmen began firing shots, apparently targeting the organizer. (unknown, but likely not a gun free zone)

Not a mass shooting and sporting events are always gun free zones, so stop trying to pretend they might not be.

July 20, 2012—James Holmes enters a midnight screening of The Dark Knight Rises and opens fire with a semi-automatic weapon; twelve people are killed and fifty-eight are wounded. (gun free zone)

Check

August 5, 2012—A white supremacist and former Army veteran shot six people to death inside a Sikh temple in suburban Milwaukee, Wisconsin, before killing himself. (unknown, but probably not a gun free zone)

Do Sikhs go to church strapped? Probably not.

August 14, 2012—Three people were killed at Texas A&M University when a 35-year-old man went on a shooting rampage; one of the dead was a police officer. (gun free zone)

Not a mass shooting and incident didn't even happen on campus. The man was being evicted and snapped.

September 27, 2012—A 36-year-old man who had just been laid off from Accent Signage Systems in Minneapolis, Minnesota, entered his former workplace and shot five people to death, and wounded three others before killing himself. (unknown, but probably not a gun free zone)

Certainly a gun free zone. Prove otherwise.

October 21, 2012—45-year-old Radcliffe Frankin Haughton shot three women to death, including his wife, Zina Haughton, and injured four others at a spa in Brookfield, Wisconsin, before killing himself. (not a gun free zone)

Prove it.

December 11, 2012—A 22-year-old began shooting at random at a mall near Portland, Oregon, killing two people and then himself. (gun free zone)

Not a mass shooting because a vigilant citizen ignored the 'self-defense free zone' signage.

December 14, 2012 twenty-six people killed in Newtown, Connecticut, including twenty children, before killing himself. (gun free zone)

Check.

so there were sixteen multiple shootings and of those, seven occurred in gun free zones

So you say. Your claim was in reference to "whack jobs bent on killing people" and then you make totally unsupported claims of whether or not firearms were permitted in these various establishments and then you attempt to blend in work place shootings and crimes of passion into a conversation about stone psychopaths who just start mowing people down out of the blue.

Not even a nice try. Fuck off and give it another go, asswipe.

[mvscal]

I don't know how anyone who has ever owned firearms, much less sold and worked around them could have that opinion

That would be because feelsdicks is a lying sack of shit. The only gun he's ever fired had a pair of balls bouncing off his chin.

[Felix]

I don't know how anyone who has ever owned firearms, much less sold and worked around them could have that opinion

what opinion is that scott?

I'm not against owning firearms, I'm not against concealed weapons permits, I'm a big supporter of hunting even though I don't hunt myself....the only thing I'm not in favor of is private citizens owning weapons with high capacity magazines....I think it's pretty pointless but not as pointless as passing more gun laws that will never be enforced

February 22, 2012—Five people were killed in at a Korean health spa in Norcross, Georgia (not a gun free zone)

Prove it.

you can carry a concealed weapon almost any place in Georgia....there are nine places where carrying a concealed weapon is not allowed, but business establishments aren't one of them....

February 26, 2012-multiple gunmen shoot up a nightclub crown in Jackson, Tennessee (not a gun free zone)

Since when are you allowed to carry firearms in an establishment that sells alcohol?

you can in Tennessee

1. It is lawful to possess a firearm on the premises of a public place where alcoholic beverages are served as long as such individual is not consuming alcoholic beverages.

look it up for yourself....

March 31, 2012—A gunman opened fire on a crowd of mourners at a North Miami, Florida, funeral home, killing two people and injuring 12 others. (not a gun free zone)

Prove it.

same thing with Florida as with Georgia you can carry a concealed weapon pretty much anywhere there are some restrictions, but funeral homes aren't on the list

May 29, 2012—A man in Seattle, Washington, opened fire in a coffee shop and killed five people and then himself. (not a gun free zone)

Prove it.

the guy that shot the place up had a concealed carry permit

October 21, 2012—45-year-old Radcliffe Frankin Haughton shot three women to death, including his wife, Zina Haughton, and injured four others at a spa in Brookfield, Wisconsin, before killing himself. (not a gun free zone)

Prove it.

the same story, wisconsin doesn't have a lot of restrictions on where you can carry a concealed weapon

That would be because feelsdicks is a lying sack of shit.

apparently I've hurt your feelings......

[Goober McTuber]

A gift for mvscal's spank-bank:

[Felix]

You have to change who has control of the situation and if you have to kill someone to do it , so be it. Much better off to plan reasonable scenarios that you can react too.

so you're in a crowded, dark theater....the shooter has just thrown a canister of some type of tear gas, he's just fired a couple of rounds from a shotgun which he subsequently drops and turns to his assault rifle, your adrenaline would be redlining about this time.....you're going up against a guy wielding a S&W M&P15 with a 100 round magazine and a glock .40 semi-automatic.....you've got people running in every direction trying to get out of line of fire and you've got a 9mm....given that you've said you generally sit at the back of the theater, you're probably 100 to 150 feet away from him....

maybe you could explain how you would have controlled this very real situation.....

[Felix]

This one

in a situation like Aurora, it's impossible to know how even the most highly trained individuals might react...

there aren't any examples of your every day concealed weapons carriers getting into shootouts with people packing high powered weapons in closed quarters like a movie theater......but if you come across any, let me know....

That doesn't sound like someone " not against concealed carry"

why would that make you think I'm against carrying concealed weapons?

What is your definition of a high capacity mag?

in rifles anything over 5, in handguns anything over 10

Is it confined to just assault rifles or do you include handguns?

handguns aren't nearly as accurate as rifles, so I think a 10 round limit for handguns is acceptable....

[Derron]

You have to change who has control of the situation and if you have to kill someone to do it , so be it. Much better off to plan reasonable scenarios that you can react too.

so you're in a crowded, dark theater....the shooter has just thrown a canister of some type of tear gas, he's just fired a couple of rounds from a shotgun which he subsequently drops and turns to his assault rifle, your adrenaline would be redlining about this time.....you're going up against a guy wielding a S&W M&P15 with a 100 round magazine and a glock .40 semi-automatic.....you've got people running in every direction trying to get out of line of fire and you've got a 9mm....given that you've said you generally sit at the back of the theater, you're probably 100 to 150 feet away from him....

maybe you could explain how you would have controlled this very real situation.....

A quick situational analysis would tell me the odds are way against me in that fight, and I would probably make for the exit. If I have to fight, I am not afraid of a 100 foot shot with my 9mm if I have the shot. Our theaters are much smaller around here. I routinely practice out to that range twice a month. I can easily put 6 of 10 in the mass at that distance. One of the reasons I would carry the 9mm over my .380 is the need to get that range in that situation.

Not going to be able to help everybody every time, and if the odds are like that, the best fight is one you run away from.

[mvscal]

the shooter has just thrown a canister of some type of tear gas, he's just fired a couple of rounds from a shotgun which he subsequently drops and turns to his assault rifle, your adrenaline would be redlining about this time.....you're going up against a guy wielding a S&W M&P15 with a 100 round magazine and a glock .40 semi-automatic.....you've got people running in every direction trying to get out of line of fire and you've got a 9mm....given that you've said you generally sit at the back of the theater, you're probably 100 to 150 feet away from him....

maybe you could explain how you would have controlled this very real situation.....

Very real situation?



Maybe in some greasy-knuckled Hollywood jerkfest you'll be up against some mastermind psycho with a "particular set of skills," but the reality is that you will be up against a pasty, drug addled tosser in the midst of a full blown psychotic breakdown. Not exactly Jason Bourne.

[Felix]

Very real situation?



Maybe in some greasy-knuckled Hollywood jerkfest you'll be up against some mastermind psycho with a "particular set of skills," but the reality is that you will be up against a pasty, drug addled tosser in the midst of a full blown psychotic breakdown. Not exactly Jason Bourne.

yeah a full blown psychotic packing some heavy fire power....he managed to kill a shitload of people and that's exactly what happened at aurora idiot....the only reason more weren't killed is because the assault rifle jammed on him after expelling about 30 rounds.....would have a concealed carry owner made a difference? maybe but probably not.....if there had been six concealed weapons owners in that theater, three of them would have immediately shit their pants, one would have been shooting indiscriminately, two might have kept their head, but if your taking shots from 100 feet with a 9mm, the odds of you hitting the shooter in order to completely stop him would be long indeed.....more than likely, he'd turn one of the two level headed ones into swiss cheese before they could get off the third miss.....

[Felix]

Because your arguing against the very reason cc laws exist - to use against a predator in a situation like a movie theater shooting

I'm arguing that in the case of the movie shooter, a CCW holder wouldn't have made much of a difference.....in the case of an armed robbery where the perpetrators are caught off guard, it can make all the difference in the world

BTW - your tear gas grenade scenario has NEVER occured in any active shooter other than Call of Duty or Grand Theft Auto

you should familiarize yourself with the events that took place in Aurora, because that's exactly what happened

Interesting since the majority of the shooter incidents you cited involved handguns - not assault weapons

As for the accuracy issue - the shooters in Newton and the Aurora killed their victims at close range. The same effective distance as a 10 round handgun.

bullshit....at Aurora people were being shot from all sorts of distances.....once the rifle jammed on him then he began walking the aisles shooting people with the glock...the whole fucking thing took place over about a 3 minute time span

at newton, nobody knows how close the guy was when he was killing those kids....but I seriously doubt he could have killed that many simply using pistols....

Do you see the absurdity of this argument?

yeah you're absolutely right....everybody should be packing intratech 9s with 30 round magazines into movie theaters in the off chance some idiot starts shooting the place up....what could possibly go wrong?

hey did you know that for about $400, you can turn an ar-15 or m-4 into essentially a full auto mode? and it's perfectly legal.....check out the SSAR bump fire stock

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/slide-f ... ice-ar-15/

all we need is a few whack jobs to get a hold of these, then the real carnage can begin.....

[smackaholic]

Because your arguing against the very reason cc laws exist - to use against a predator in a situation like a movie theater shooting

I'm arguing that in the case of the movie shooter, a CCW holder wouldn't have made much of a difference.....in the case of an armed robbery where the perpetrators are caught off guard, it can make all the difference in the world

nice KYOA there skippy. do you suppose maybe that fukking whack job might have been "caught off guard" when all of a sudden, one of the sheep starts shooting back in a gun free zone?

BTW - your tear gas grenade scenario has NEVER occured in any active shooter other than Call of Duty or Grand Theft Auto

you should familiarize yourself with the events that took place in Aurora, because that's exactly what happened

Interesting since the majority of the shooter incidents you cited involved handguns - not assault weapons

As for the accuracy issue - the shooters in Newton and the Aurora killed their victims at close range. The same effective distance as a 10 round handgun.

bullshit....at Aurora people were being shot from all sorts of distances.....once the rifle jammed on him then he began walking the aisles shooting people with the glock...the whole fucking thing took place over about a 3 minute time span

yup, that POS jammed as "mega clips" tend to do. but he continued to shoot fish in a barrel with a handgun, the very thing you fukks seem to think is not very effective at murdering innocent victims. i'll put my money on derron and his 9 mm over whack job that used to have an assault weapon since derron now has the advantage of surprise

at newton, nobody knows how close the guy was when he was killing those kids....but I seriously doubt he could have killed that many simply using pistols....

then you are a seriously stupid motherfukker. 9 mm handgun rounds kill cowering 6 year olds every bit as well as .223 rounds do.

Do you see the absurdity of this argument?

yeah you're absolutely right....everybody should be packing intratech 9s with 30 round magazines into movie theaters in the off chance some idiot starts shooting the place up....what could possibly go wrong?

hey did you know that for about $400, you can turn an ar-15 or m-4 into essentially a full auto mode? and it's perfectly legal.....check out the SSAR bump fire stock

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/slide-f ... ice-ar-15/

all we need is a few whack jobs to get a hold of these, then the real carnage can begin.....

[smackaholic]

... three of them would have immediately shit their pants, ...

Not Derron. I can guaran-g0d-damn-tee ya.

[BSmack]

President Obama: "Second: Congress should restore a ban on military-style assault weapons, and a 10-round limit for magazines."

Right...because it accomplished so much the first time.

Of course this is all theater for low synaptic function shiteaters like S_M. It won't prevent jack shit but it will present the appearance of the political class "doing something about the problem."

True, what would be really effective would be to actually empower the ATF to do it's job. Yet for some reason when it comes time to enforce those laws that republicans always bitch that we should enforce first, it is Republicans slipping Amendments into budget bills stripping the ATF of the power to track firearms sales, require dealers to keep inventories or, even to inspect a dealer more than once a month. So go fuck yourself.

[Cuda]

True, what would be really effective would be to actually empower the ATF to do it's job. Yet for some reason when it comes time to enforce those laws that republicans always bitch that we should enforce first

it is Republicans slipping Amendments into budget bills stripping the ATF of the power to track firearms sales, require dealers to keep inventories or, even to inspect a dealer more than once a month...

Shut the fuck up, you dong-huffing idiot.

1. Tracking sales & maintaining information on the buyers is specifically prohibited by the GCA of 1968, the McClure-Volkmer Act of 1986, and even the fucking Brady Law of 1993. The most congress has ever done is require the fucking FBI and the fucking BATFE to obey the fucking law instead of doing whatever the fuck they please.

2. The BATFE has the authority to enter & inspect any licensed FFL dealer's records at any time, for any reason, with no warrant required- it's one of the conditions of licensing that the FFL has to agree to when applying for the license. Inventory records and transfer records are required to be 100% up to date and 100% accurate or else the licensee can be immediately arrested, and/or have his license revoked, and/or have his inventory confiscated.

[Felix]

just got back from the Guns Across America rally at the statehouse......what a fucking hoot
sure, the majority were clueless fucking imbeciles who believe obama is sending the blackshirts out to grab all their guns....they were generally dressed in dirty levis with holes in their shirts and coats, but they were proudly carrying their WASR AK-47's and Chinese made SKS's (both of which are steaming piles of shit...you couldn't pay me to shoot either of those accidents waiting to happen)

at the same time, there were quite a few intelligent, reasoned individuals there as well.....ironically if those people brought weapons, most were good quality 9mm's or .40's.....saw a couple of somewhat exotic semi automatics I'd never seen before.....an H&K MR556 (a very well designed and built weapon) and a Sig Sauer 716 (another really nice gun).....

by the end of the rally, my mindset was exactly the same as it was before.....but I came away with the realization there are a lot of scary people out there that shouldn't be allowed to own a bb gun more-less a semiautomatic assault style rifle.....

[Derron]

by the end of the rally, my mindset was exactly the same as it was before.....but I came away with the realization there are a lot of scary people out there that shouldn't be allowed to own a bb gun more-less a semiautomatic assault style rifle.....

So still just take the guns away rather than keep the crazy mofos from having guns ?

[Derron]

More ignorance. An unlicensed individual can't legally build a fully auto weapon

Here's the law

And I am sure you cannot find the parts or expertise on the black market to do that illegally either.

Just like the criminals obey the gun free zone laws, I am sure no one would circumvent the Federal gun laws.

[Felix]

I actually did look up the account of the shooting after the tear gas comments. He opend up with a a 12-gauge Remington before pulling out an MP15 which malfunctioned after reportedly firing fewer than 30 rounds. According to first hand accounts it's then he took out the Glock 22 going up and down the aisles.

no shit really....that sounds kind of familiar

so you're in a crowded, dark theater....the shooter has just thrown a canister of some type of tear gas, he's just fired a couple of rounds from a shotgun which he subsequently drops and turns to his assault rifle, your adrenaline would be redlining about this time.....you're going up against a guy wielding a S&W M&P15 with a 100 round magazine and a glock .40 semi-automatic

More ignorance.

you're right....once again, maybe you should familiarize yourself with what you're blathering on about before you start pounding out stupid statements......look up bump fire stock then get back to me

it's not a full auto.....

And I am sure you cannot find the parts or expertise on the black market to do that illegally either.

for being someone who knows about guns, you display an uncanny ignorance of how complex and costly it would be to convert a AR-15 semi automatic to a full auto......

Just like the criminals obey the gun free zone laws, I am sure no one would circumvent the Federal gun laws.

perpetrators committing your everyday robbery or assault with a deadly weapon crimes seldom use assault style rifles.....I think it's like 1 or 2 percent

no, semi auto rifles are the preferred weapon of choice for nut jobs bent strictly on killing people

[mvscal]

he managed to kill a shitload of people

Not too tough to do when nobody is shooting back.

[mvscal]

then the real carnage can begin.....

Not really. You have obviously never fired an M-16 in full auto. It's a good way to waste shitloads of ammo. You can burn a 30 round mag in seconds. Not at all efficient.

You are a hysterical ninny. Get a fucking grip, nancy.

[LTS TRN 2]

No, get a grip, "Marty," as you curl another fold. Guess what?

[Felix]

then the real carnage can begin.....

Not really. You have obviously never fired an M-16 in full auto. It's a good way to waste shitloads of ammo. You can burn a 30 round mag in seconds. Not at all efficient.

no I've never fired a full auto M-16 so I'll defer to your experience...obviously you're going to lose a lot of accuracy.....but if you're 20 or 30 feet away from a room full of victims (as scott alleges) accuracy is not going to matter much

[Felix]

Why do you have a CCW?

I've been around guns since I was born....my grandfather and my father both hunted....when I worked at the gun store, I developed a love of quality made firearms....shooting is one of my favorite past times....as for why I have a CCW, dude, this is the wild fucking west....Idaho has terrible gun laws and given that I travel to some remote areas known for a population base of crazy fucks (s'up northern Idaho) as well as traveling into areas where the predominant population is wild animals, I carry a weapon with me for self preservation.....I've never had to pull it out, but it's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it, know what I mean? typically the only time I carry a weapon when I'm home is when I'm headed out shooting or when I'm venturing into shady areas of town.....if crazy meter starts ratcheting up around here, I'll probably carry it more often......

You've made it clear in an active shooter situation you don't think you or anyone can adequatley neutralize the shooter

I'm all about self preservation and preservation of my family.....in a fight or flight situation, I think I would almost always choose flight if that option is available.....I don't think I have the hero gene in me, but I've never been in that situation so I don't know how I'd react.....but if I were carrying a weapon and flight is not an option, I'm going to do everything in my power to protect myself and my family.....if faced with a threat of being gunned down, I wouldn't hesitate to pull my weapon and shoot to kill....but I'm a realist too....I'm not going to start shooting at somebody in a darkened, crowded movie theater that's more than 50 feet away.....from 25 yards in, I'm confident I could drop the shooter with one shot.....

but I don't carry a handgun when I'm going to a movie or to the mall so I can't see myself ever being in that situation.....

[smackaholic]

I carry a weapon with me for self preservation.....I've never had to pull it out, but it's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it, know what I mean?

Yes, we know exactly what you mean. The trouble is, you've been arguing against this point of view the entire fukking thread.

Nice of you to come around though. Better late than never, I recon.

[Derron]

but I don't carry a handgun when I'm going to a movie or to the mall so I can't see myself ever being in that situation.....

This is beyond understanding here with your double meaning. Just because you don't carry the gun, you will never be in that situation. And if you do not carry the gun, you would not be able to respond to that situation, so you won't be able to respond??? :doh: :doh: :doh:

So what would you do if you were in that situation and had no gun ? Cower like a little bitch ? Run if you could ? Wish you had a gun if the opportunity presented itself to save your ass or some one else ? Just throw your CCW away dude. A man has to know his limitations, and you certainly seem to well understand yours. Props to you.

If I am breathing, I am carrying.

[mvscal]

no I've never fired a full auto M-16 so I'll defer to your experience...obviously you're going to lose a lot of accuracy.....but if you're 20 or 30 feet away from a room full of victims (as scott alleges) accuracy is not going to matter much

It's got nothing to do with accuracy. You would kill way more people on semi-auto. Why do you think the Army went to the 3 round burst setting for M16A2?

You've seen too many action movies.

[Derron]

no, semi auto rifles are the preferred weapon of choice for nut jobs bent strictly on killing people

The FBI says you are completely full of shit, and just not a little bit full of shit, but a lot.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... ta-table-8

[Derron]

I carry a weapon with me for self preservation.....I've never had to pull it out, but it's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it, know what I mean?

Yes, we know exactly what you mean. The trouble is, you've been arguing against this point of view the entire fukking thread.

Nice of you to come around though. Better late than never, I recon.

That is why he does not carry it when he goes to the mall or the movies.

[Cuda]

More ignorance. An unlicensed individual can't legally build a fully auto weapon

Here's the law

And I am sure you cannot find the parts or expertise on the black market to do that illegally either. .

expertise, perhaps, but not the parts. Under the NFA, full-auto parts (trigger, safety, sear, hammer, disconnector, etc) are themselves considered "machine guns" and their manufacture and sale are extremely tightly controlled

[LTS TRN 2]

Good stiff stuff, prick. Gosh knows we need "expertise" in our gun-saturated culture--especially when it comes to school safety. The children are our future, after all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSbOMzzXamY

[Felix]

This is beyond understanding here with your double meaning. Just because you don't carry the gun, you will never be in that situation.

you're right, this beyond understanding.....you want to try that sentence again in some comprehensible form?

And if you do not carry the gun, you would not be able to respond to that situation, so you won't be able to respond???

yeah, it's pretty tough to respond with return fire to a shooting situation when you don't have a weapon......

So what would you do if you were in that situation and had no gun ?

keep my wits about me....if you don't, the odds are much higher you're going to lose your life....

Cower like a little bitch?

if you consider seeking cover "cowering like a little bitch"

Run if you could?

absolutely.....you said you'd do the same thing

Wish you had a gun if the opportunity presented itself to save your ass or some one else?

sure, if I were trapped I'd be kicking myself for not having a weapon

Just throw your CCW away dude.

they'll have to pry my CCW from my cold dead fingers.....

A man has to know his limitations

okey doke clint....

The FBI says you are completely full of shit.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... ta-table-8

huh? I said earlier that assault style rifles represent about 1% to 2% of the capital crimes attributable to weapons...so lets look at your chart

according to those tables, in 2011 there were 8,583 people murdered with guns...of that total, those killed with rifles represent about 3.8%.....now not all of those killed with rifles were of the assault style used in Newtown, Aurora, Geneva, Columbine, etc. lets assume it's half, that would put the total right at what I said that being 1.9%....and that's only murders...if you consider all other capital crimes, the percentage would be lower.....

but lets take a look at some well known mass shootings in the US
Geneva County Alabama-11 killed, 6 wounded-primary weapon-SKS, AR-15
Tuscon Arizona-6 killed, 14 injured-primary weapon-9mm glock
Beltway Sniper-10 people killed, 3 injured-primary weapon AR-15 (while not technically a mass shooting, it's included because of the effectiveness of the AR-15 at a distance)
Fort Hood-13 people killed, 29 wounded-primary weapon-FN Five-seveN pistol (the perpetrator asked the sales clerk for the most technologically advanced gun with the highest magazine capacity)
Texas University Massacre-16 dead, 32 injured-primary weapon-Remington 700, M-1 carbine, Remington 141 (as close to a civilian assault style rifle as there was back in 1966)
San Ysidro massacre-21 dead, 19 injured-primary weapon-Uzi Carbine
Aurora massacre-12 people dead, 58 wounded-primary weapon-S&W M&P15, Remington Model 870 12 ga. shotgun, glock 22 .40 S&W (unknown how many were killed with which weapon, but likely the shotgun caused most of the deaths and injuries)
Luby's massacre-23 dead, 20 injured-primary weapon-Glock 17, Ruger P89
Virginia Tech massacre-32 dead, 23 injured-primary weapon-Glock 19, Walther P22
Columbine massacre-13 dead, 21 injured-primary weapon-Intratec TEC-DC9, Hi-Point 995 Carbine
Binghamton massacre-13 dead, 4 injured-primary weapon-Beretta 92FS, Beretta Px4 Storm
GMAC massacre-9 dead, 6 injured-primary weapon-M-1 carbine
Edmond Oklahoma post office massacre-14 killed, 6 injured-primary weapon-Remington M1911, Ruger.22-caliber

okay so of the above noted 13 mass shootings 7 of those (53%) involved a type of assault type rifle...now remember back that of the total murders in the US in 2011, roughly 2% were via an assault style rifles.....

now you sure you don't want to rethink that asinine assertion that the FBI says I'm full of shit

[kcdave]

If I am breathing, I am carrying.

Ever consider moving somewhere a little safer?

[Left Seater]

And now the states are responding to Obama's executive orders. 13 states have started the process to outlaw many of the Executive orders and preserve the manufacture and sale of weapons completely within their state boundaries.

http://www.abc17news.com/news.php?id=8790

[mvscal]

now you sure you don't want to rethink that asinine assertion that the FBI says I'm full of shit

I certainly wouldn't. You had to carefully cherry pick a number of statistically meaningless incidents going back as far as 1984 in order to arrive your asinine and totally irrelevent point...assuming you even have a point.

What is your point anyway, Mr. 'Oh, I've Been Around Guns My Whole Life Lying Bag of Fuck'?

[smackaholic]

A small lilly white peaceful country opens it borders to refuse from all over the world and their violent crime rate skyrockets?

No fukking way!!!!!

Have fun celebrating diversity canuckleheads.

[Mikey]

You really need a semi-automatic rifle to kill lots of hogs at once?

Pretty damn pathetic.

Sin,
Hawkeye

[mvscal]

Turns out there is a very specific hunting need the AR-15 fills:

Hunting Feral Hogs -

The .223 is a great round for varmint plinking. Coyotes, feral hogs, armadillos you name it.

[Felix]

Turns out there is a very specific hunting need the AR-15 fills:

yeah, because there is such a plethora of wild boar hunters, and armadillo killers running around is Aurora Colorado and Newtown Conneticut.....

fuck dude, have you ever seen an armadillo? you could probably kill them with a well placed shot from a pellet gun

[Cuda]

Turns out there is a very specific hunting need the AR-15 fills:

Hunting Feral Hogs -

The .223 is a great round for varmint plinking. Coyotes, feral hogs, armadillos you name it.

pretty good for shooting cans...


mexi-Cans & Afri-Cans...