Opinions on the Mike Rice Firing

R-Jack · Post by **R-Jack** » Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:42 pm

Truman wrote:Where are his players complaining about his behavior? Every account I've read has them having his back.

Why should anyone give a flying fuck what they think? These are punk kids who were so stupid they needed blunt force trauma to their heads so they can remember their spot on the floor, right?

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Apr 06, 2013 7:18 pm

Truman wrote:Coach gets 20 hours a week to practice his team in a season that runs from August to March, and two minutes of video has you peeing down your leg in righteous indignation.

I suppose the entire history of his melts could have been confined to that two minute clip. Sounds reasonable.

Look, coach can do whatever he damn well pleases and I don't care if he gets shit-canned or not. It's up to the university to set their own standards on what they feel is acceptable behavior. My take is three-fold:

a) If you can't "get through" to your players without acting like a petulant little child who just got his Xbox taken away from him then you're a shitty communicator and a shittier coach. Dial up Coach K if you need some pointers.
b) Being forceful and tough are good things. I don't see those things when I watch that vid, I just see a sad little man power-tripping over a bunch of kids whose lives, scholarships and futures rest entirely in his hands. You apparently see something else.
c) I'm not impressed by your phony machismo, so fuck the fuck off. This shithole only has room for one mvscal and you don't put on a very good imitation.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Apr 06, 2013 7:23 pm

d) if Toejam disagrees with me, that gives me 100% assurance I am right. Sort of like YaFJ picking against your team.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:20 pm

Rutgers doesn't win because they can't allure decent coaches. tantrum boy, with his 16-38 conf record, was no exception.

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:20 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:This shithole only has room for one mvscal and you don't put on a very good imitation.

Room for only one mvscal but apparently more than enough room for a whole lot of pussies.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:27 pm

Ohhhh look, another tough guy. Why don't you go kick your dog so you can feel like a real man.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:37 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Rutgers doesn't win because they can't allure decent coaches.

Okay, fess up. Screwball wrote that one for you, didn't he?

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:40 pm

schmick wrote:no wonder rutgers sucks

Rutgers sucks because they hired a shitty coach and will have to pay out millions because they were too stupid to fire the SOB when they had the chance.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:42 pm

Mace wrote:Room for only one mvscal but apparently more than enough room for a whole lot of pussies.

That's cool. Babysitting felons is about a half-step up from jizzmopping, anyway.

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:48 pm

R-Jack wrote:I guess you and I will just have to respectfully disagree on this point, you stupid son of a bitch.

:grin: Okay, that one made me laugh.

You could be right, but then again, I played for a buncha sons of bitches. Coaches that would give you swats with a paddle for missing free throws, or rock two-hoppers with a fungo into a crowd if he thought you weren't paying close enough attention to the drill. Guess what? Nobody died. That-which-does-not-kill-you-only-makes-you-stronger n' junk.

R-Jack wrote:16-38 in conference. Can you figure out that it wasn't working on your own, or do you need a basketball chucked at your head to help you?

Good point. I'll bet if Rice had promised Mary Kay makeovers to his players every time they set a screen correctly, he would've finished 38-16.

You wanna can Rice for his record? I'll listen to that. Hell, I'd listen to termination-for-cause if he wore a clown suit instead of a coat and tie on the sideline. But don't you try to tell me that Rice's behavior in a two minute clip was SO egregious that he needed to be shit-canned on the spot. You act as if this were an isolated incident. It isn't. I've read too many accounts from too many programs of how coaches send a message. The difference is that it's never been captured on video for panty-~~waists~~ wastes like you to get their shorts in a wad.

The only thing Rice hurt with his kids were their feelings. If you can't recognize a ball flung in exasperation as a message, then maybe you oughtta go sell ties for a living...

Mace · Post by **Mace** » Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:59 pm

Screw_Michigan wrote:
Mace wrote:Room for only one mvscal but apparently more than enough room for a whole lot of pussies.
That's cool. Babysitting felons is about a half-step up from jizzmopping, anyway.

:roll: Hey, if the tampon fits, wear it.

Dr_Phibes · Post by **Dr_Phibes** » Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:01 pm

But that's not pre-meditated discipline from authority, it's frustration and hysteria. He's lashing out :?

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:15 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:I suppose the entire history of his melts could have been confined to that two minute clip. Sounds reasonable.

Look, coach can do whatever he damn well pleases and I don't care if he gets shit-canned or not. It's up to the university to set their own standards on what they feel is acceptable behavior.

Or it could be the only instances where his melts occurred. One of the two. I don't disagree with your "standards" take, btw...

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:a) If you can't "get through" to your players without acting like a petulant little child who just got his Xbox taken away from him then you're a shitty communicator and a shittier coach. Dial up Coach K if you need some pointers.

Don't necessarily disagree with you here either. He very well may be a shitty coach and a shitty communicator. A 16-38 record pretty much plays that out. But if you truly believe that Coach Kreshewski or Bill Self sing the Messiah while leading their kids to 30-6 records, then you are painfully naïve.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:b) Being forceful and tough are good things. I don't see those things when I watch that vid, I just see a sad little man power-tripping over a bunch of kids whose lives, scholarships and futures rest entirely in his hands. You apparently see something else.

I see a coach trying to send a message, and a message board poster that has issues with his manhood. So how many kids did he kill, Blue? Wally Judge transferred to Mike Rice's program. Apparently, Judge had no problem placing his life, his scholarship, and his future in the Mike Rice's hands.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:c) I'm not impressed by your phony machismo, so fuck the fuck off. This shithole only has room for one mvscal and you don't put on a very good imitation.

That's okay, because I'm not impressed with your femininity on this topic. As for phony machismo : You're from Michigan, right? That's practically Canada. How tough does anyone really need to be?!

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:09 pm

Truman wrote:I see a coach trying to send a message, and a message board poster that has issues with his manhood.

Manhood, I have no problem with. I didn't see any manhood, that's my point. I saw a little bitch flailing about with zero control over the situation. The fact you found that as a display of "manhood" is amusing. Maybe it's just a generational thing. I see through that kind of once-bullied, ego-tripping insecurity.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:31 pm

KC Scott wrote:
schmick wrote: The next day at practice the coach took him to the cages and pointed the pitching machine at him, he had to allow himself to get hit by 5 pitches, every time he got out of the way of one he had to do 50 push ups and run a lap around the out side of the baseball stadiums. After about 9 total pitches he was hit by the 5th one.
I've been coaching baseball for 10 years and that's the single most fucked up coaching story I've ever heard

You're his dad and you support a coach doing that shit?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

The head coach in the third base coaches box yelled "you gotta wear that".

Well, he's right. How else do you get a player over that fear? Backrubs and reacharounds? It's not that big of a deal. A ball player should be over the fear of getting beaned in Little League. I was pitching leaning into motherfucker when I was in Little League. Of course that was mostly because I couldn't hit for shit so I was stoked to take any opportunity to get on base.

At the high school level of competition, the kids should have an understanding of the game and be playing it the way it should be played and playing it to win. If that means taking one on the shoulder or the leg, then grab your pouch and get on base. It's only gonna sting for a bit.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:47 pm

mvscal wrote:It's not that big of a deal.

No, it's not, especially since the whole story was a lie.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:49 pm

KC Scott wrote:You don't coach kids to get HBP idiot

By sophmore year they're throwing 70s - and misjudging "taking one for the team" means breaking a finger or a wrist

Worth it then?

So you coach them to dive out of the box? How do you ever get them on base without tripping over their tampon strings? Have you ever even played baseball?

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:21 am

KC Scott wrote:You don't need to coach a kid to move if a fastball is headed towards his head - it's a natural reaction

Who the fuck is talking about letting yourself getting beaned in the head? Nobody. So you can leave the strawman out of it.

And the "natural reaction" to a fastball flying at any of your extremities is to get out of the way. That is exactly why some kids need to be coached out of it unless, of course, your objective is to field a team of frightened pussies who will let the pitcher completely dominate the plate and the situation.

Any player worth even half of a fuck knows enough to do a little ole dance, get tagged and take a base. Nobody is asking a kid to facefuck a fastball. Obviously if the ball is coming at your head, you get the fuck out of the way.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:10 am

KC Scott wrote:And again this is you showing everyone you have no clue what the fuck you're talking about

In Little league - Every pitch is a fucking fastball. No one coaches or teaches change ups till at least 14

In Little League the batter has approx .5 second to try and pick up the ball and decide if he's swinging or it's a ball

In Little League there's No Kid picking up the path of the ball from the pitchers hand and in that half second deciding this fastball is coming in at waist level so he's turning a hip into it

There are a couple things here. The first being that schmick's kid wasn't playing Little League and the second being that, for some bizarre reason, you claim that a kid playing Little League can't see a pitch thrown by a Little League pitcher. It's not like they're getting brushed off the plate by Bob Gibson or Nolan Ryan.

Face it. You are a pussy who coached pussies to be even bigger pussies. Stop acting like these kids are going to have their legs blown off if they turn into a pitch.

R-Jack · Post by **R-Jack** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:11 am

Of course you would think that schmick. That is to be expected of someone who is goddamn stupid enough to create two seperate trolls and give them the exact same bullshit persona and backstory.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:13 am

KC Scott wrote:
mvscal wrote:I was pitching leaning into motherfucker when I was in Little League. Of course that was mostly because I couldn't hit for shit so I was stoked to take any opportunity to get on base.
And in 10 years of coaching little league through 2 sons - I've yet to see any kid lean into any pitches trying to get beaned.

You are a pussy coaching pussies. That's why you've never seen it.

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:18 am

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Manhood, I have no problem with. I didn't see any manhood, that's my point.

Of course you don't. Tough to recognize that which has clearly escaped you. You wanna mince through life dumber than a box of Screweys, be my guest..

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote: it's a generational thing. I see through that kind of once-bullied, ego-tripping insecurity.

Of course it's generational. My generation raised men. Yours has clearly raised a hand-wringing faggots. We get it. It's all good...

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:19 am

schmick wrote:When my son was in 10th grade he was up to bat in the top of the 7th with the bases loaded and his team down a run. The pitcher threw a curve ball and my son moved his leg to get out of the way of the ball. The head coach in the third base coaches box yelled "you gotta wear that". The next pitch my son hit a fly ball to right center that was caught and the game was over. The next day at practice the coach took him to the cages and pointed the pitching machine at him, he had to allow himself to get hit by 5 pitches, every time he got out of the way of one he had to do 50 push ups and run a lap around the out side of the baseball stadiums. After about 9 total pitches he was hit by the 5th one. Coach started him again the next day and my son learned the lesson.
That's coaching. Calling players names or throwing a basketball at them at 15 MPH is coaching, thats what it takes to play these sports, if you dont like it, play soccer with the rest of the girls

Why am I not surprised Schmick has zero confidence in his son to learn the lesson without taking a beating. Most kids would have learned that lesson well enough on the walk back to the dugout. Doesn't feel too good letting your teammates down when you know the game would have been tied had you taken a pitch in the leg. Of course Schmick's kid never got to show he learned that lesson without the corporal punishment.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:31 am

KC Scott wrote:
mvscal wrote:
KC Scott wrote: The level of pathetic you reach in trying to impress this board never ceases to amaze me

Oh, THIS is fresh.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:37 am

KC Scott wrote:No, I'm a coach talking reality

No, you aren't. You're a frightened little man teaching frightened little boys to be afraid of a little sting.

I played Little League three years. Pitchers didn't have much control and I got beaned a bunch of times. So did anyone else who played. I make no claims of being Barny Badass but after the first couple times it really wasn't that big of a deal. Take a pitch to the shoulder or leg to get on base? You fucking bet I would. Every time.

Your attitude is, quite honestly, completely bewildering to me. Why do you and your little skirt wearing nancy boys even bother playing playing sports at all? Don't you know you might get some scrapes and bruises?

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:45 am

Truman wrote:Of course you don't. Tough to recognize that which has clearly escaped you.

It was only a matter of time until you showed your true KC colors.

Truman wrote:Yours has clearly raised a hand-wringing faggots.

You had to edit that twice and still fucked it up? What's the matter, can't post through your manly seething rage?

If my generation is full of pussies, then you should blame your generation for raising them that way, moron.

The tougher you try to portray yourself the more pathetic you actually look.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:58 am

If a kid can't hit you teach him how to hit, you don't teach him how to take one to the flesh. If Johnny Strikeout is super excited to show up to the ball field that day to take one to the ribs because he sucks ass, good for him, but I never saw that in my time playing LL. Sounds pretty odd. All the kids I knew who couldn't hit or sucked in general didn't really enjoy playing, just did it to appease their Toejam father.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:16 am

Van wrote:
MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Rutgers doesn't win because they can't allure decent coaches.
Okay, fess up. Screwball wrote that one for you, didn't he?

What was wrong with it?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:21 am

I only played against one pitcher in Little League who I couldn't pick up. He was a flamethrower and a half. Fortunately he couldn't throw anything but his 60mph heat. When we played his team and he was pitching I would just throw my bat out and hope I made contact. The day I got a single off him was one of the highlights of my LL career. But everybody else I could hit. I batted somewhere in the .400 area. And I wasn't any great shakes, just a banjo hitter with a decent eye. My OBP was somewhere over .500.

So I ask, why the fuck would I ever stand in front of a pitch when I have a better than 50/50 chance of standing on first anyway?

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:26 am

KC Scott wrote:I don't coach any of them to try and get HBP

Who gives a fuck what you coach in Little League? Of course you don't have to coach it, they're getting pegged all the time regardless.

The question at hand is what are you going to do when they're playing varsity ball and still scared to get hit? You can't play at that level if you're scared of the ball. You either master that fear or you quit playing.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:27 am

what in the Sam Hill is going on here?

pretty simple, really. If a hard thrown object is coming your way, you naturally try to avoid said object.

Anybody who says otherwise is a dimwitted dullard due for a visit from Darwin.

My daughter was one helluva' good hitter, now she coaches and people pay her $20 an hour for hitting lessons. I never once saw her get hit by a pitch.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:31 am

BSmack wrote:So I ask, why the fuck would I ever stand in front of a pitch when I have a better than 50/50 chance of standing on first anyway?

Good for you. I was pretty good behind the plate on defense but I couldn't hit for shit. Getting beaned didn't bother me at all, though. I don't know. Maybe it's just a catcher thing.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:34 am

War Wagon wrote:pretty simple, really. If a hard thrown object is coming your way, you naturally try to avoid said object.

Anybody who says otherwise is a dimwitted dullard due for a visit from Darwin.

The thing is, Wags, nobody is saying otherwise. The whole point of coaching and discipline is overcoming natural instincts. Oh, and nobody gives a fat, hairy rat cock about softball.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:49 am

actually, a lot of people care about softball, mv. Those girls have as much heart and will to win as any boy. More, probably

War Wagon wrote:I never once saw her get hit by a pitch.

actually, she did get hit this one time when she played kid pitch baseball. She played with the boys from 6-11 years old before I forcibly moved her to competitive softball after some politician of a baseball coach decided to draw names from a hat for what position they played for a game. She drew 3rd base. She's a lefty and a 1st baseman. That was her last baseball game.

Anyways, this one time when she was 7 years old or so, some wild big kid who had no business pitching hit her in the stomach and knocked the wind out of her. I was so pissed, I wanted to beat that kids ass and then his stupid coach for letting him pitch in the first place. I'm still pissed about that.

After that, she never got hit by another pitch.

Dr_Phibes · Post by **Dr_Phibes** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 3:16 am

War Wagon wrote:what in the Sam Hill is going on here?

pretty simple, really. If a hard thrown object is coming your way, you naturally try to avoid said object.

But what's getting confused here is punishment as opposed to negative reinforcement when you've lost control of a situation.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 3:56 am

schmick wrote:you wanted to beat up a 7 year old kid?

He hurt my daughter, you're damn right I did.

He was probably 9, anyway.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 4:40 am

This thread is like visiting the Twilight Zone. I played ball against the same teams Shmick is talking about. I played in roughly the same era that mvscal played. I had an "old school" coach when I played for one of the highest ranked high school teams in the country.

I hardly recognize a single thing I'm reading here. Mgo and KC Scott are the only ones making sense, and they're the only ones describing anything close to the day-to-day reality I witnessed.

Being taught to get beaned? Forcing kids to stand in front of pitching machines in order to get beaned? Little Leaguers gleefully trying to get beaned?

On what planet is this taking place again? Did all you Patton-esque fucks play Little League in North Korea, or something?

And hell, maybe the rules have changed (I believe they have), but when I was in Little League we certainly threw more than just fastballs. That little dick Jack McDowell was absolutely throwing hooks at me, and vice versa, and we all threw change-ups. There sure weren't a whole lot of kids getting beaned, though, and certainly no one ever tried to get drilled.

I don't know. Maybe mvscal played in a league stocked with the least naturally talented kids ever, to where getting beaned afforded people a better chance of getting on base than simply waiting for such a wild pitcher to walk them or, god forbid, surrender a base hit.

Weird stories all the way around. Kind of fun reading, though. Mind-boggling, but fun.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:07 am

We see guys in Major League baseball duck away from getting hit in the leg even when the bases are loaded...during the World Series.

Buncha pussies.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:19 am

It happens all the time. Guys jerk their back leg out of the way even when it's just a curveball that might plunk them on the foot. Every time I see that when the bases are loaded I think, what the fuck?

But no, at no point did I ever witness any situation whereby a coach had players practice getting beaned, and I can't even imagine such a thing occuring with Little Leaguers. Well, okay, maybe in Taiwan, but not here.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:32 am

Schmick wrote:The next day at practice the coach took him to the cages and pointed the pitching machine at him, he had to allow himself to get hit by 5 pitches, every time he got out of the way of one he had to do 50 push ups and run a lap around the out side of the baseball stadiums. After about 9 total pitches he was hit by the 5th one.

"Hey, folks, pleased to meet you. I'll be your son's coach. Name's Mengele. Lombardi Mengele."