Oh no, you will NOT whip their ass like that!

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:32 pm

I know there are some (good?) youth sport coaches on the board.

Weigh in on this.

Anything more than a 5 TD romp can result in a coach being fined
and/or suspended.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/09 ... 35-points/

If they are constantly getting beat, who wants to play anymore? We
lose kids all season long because of that.

- League Commissioner

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:53 pm

On that basis, I'm surprised there's anyone left on the Raiders' roster.

R-Jack · Post by **R-Jack** » Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:29 pm

What's the Packers record you stupid old fuck?

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Thu Sep 26, 2013 4:46 pm

For many reasons, I never officiated youth football. Last Saturday I attended a game in Vestal NY where my 10 year old grandson played. They played 12 minute quarters. What moron has little kids out there for that long, most playing both ways due to such small rosters? I kept my mouth shut. Mercy rules are a good idea, but should involve a running clock and game termination if the score exceeds a certain point differential.

Smackie Chan · Post by **Smackie Chan** » Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:00 pm

Wolfman wrote:Mercy rules are a good idea, but should involve a running clock and game termination if the score exceeds a certain point differential.

Not sure how good an idea mercy rules are, but where they exist, I agree that once the point differential is reached, the game ends. Punishing a team for doing what they're supposed to do is no way to enforce the rule. My grandsons play in a youth football league that has a mercy rule, and unfortunately, their team is gonna end up on the mercy end of the rule often this year - they suck out loud. Kinda sad to hear them after the game is over wishing the other team had scored again so they could have gotten a mercy win.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:32 pm

Schmick melt in...3...2...1...

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:54 pm

R-Jack wrote:What's the Packers record you stupid old fuck?

We're three games into this season. I was considering that premise over any the past 20 or so seasons.

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:05 pm

Yer a Fuckin Goober McTuber wrote:
R-Jack wrote:What's the Packers record you stupid old fuck?
We're three games into this season. I was considering that premise over any the past 20 or so seasons.

Ah. The History card. A complete break-down of the Pack's 13 championships to come, Jack.

:bode:

RaiderFan

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:47 pm

Truman wrote:
Yer a Fuckin Goober McTuber wrote:
R-Jack wrote:What's the Packers record you stupid old fuck?
We're three games into this season. I was considering that premise over any the past 20 or so seasons.
Ah. The History card. A complete break-down of the Pack's 13 championships to come, Jack.

Nonsense. Only a couple of those 13 NFL Championships have come in the last 20 years.

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:09 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:Nonsense.

After 16,986 posts, Goober finally acknowledges his 16,985 previous...

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:48 pm

FHSAA (Florida high School Athletic Association) current rules:

In Florida high school baseball and softball, the game ends if a team is ahead by 10 runs or more after 5 innings (4 1/2 for the home team). Also, the game ends if a team is ahead by 15 runs after three innings (2 1/2 for the home team). Mercy rules for other Florida high school sports:
Football: Optional running clock can if a team is ahead by 35 points or more at halftime, mandatory after three quarters.
Basketball: After halftime, mandatory running clock once a team takes a 35-point lead.
Soccer: Game ends if a team is ahead by eight goals at halftime or any point in the second half.
Flag football: Game ends if a team is ahead by 19 points with two minutes to go in the second half.
Water polo: After third period or during fourth, mandatory running clock if a team has a 10-goal lead.
Boys lacrosse: Mandatory running clock once a team takes a 12-goal lead. If differential becomes less than 12, normal play resumes.
Girls lacrosse: Same rule as boys, with 10-goal differential.

I still umpire softball and love the 15 run rule. There are only a few schools here that have any talent. When they play the others, it is typically a couple innings of BP for them. When you get two crappy teams, pack a lunch.

trev · Post by **trev** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:14 am

I think it should be up to the coach. And a stand up coach isn't going to run up the score. I realize there are plenty of asshole coaches out there that have no problem doing that.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 2:09 am

Truman wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:Nonsense.
After 16,986 posts, Goober finally acknowledges his 16,985 previous...

Weak. Even by your "standards".

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 2:35 am

In college football, so I'm told, there is an unwritten rule about this. If your team is getting killed, you must face it and put in your scrubs. The winning team should follow suit. Coaches that leave in the starters in that situation are tagged for future retribution. I worked a high school game years ago in Syracuse when Dorsey Levens played. He scored like 4 times in the first quarter. He didn't get a touch for the rest of the game.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Fri Sep 27, 2013 2:40 am

Watching a kid toy with the defense and rip off a 20 yard run then pull up and half-ass it to the sideline looks sadder and more disrespectful to the opponent than actually trying. You should always want the opponent's best shot and if you get pummeled, so be it. Then again, we're talking about kids and kids are pussies.

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 3:02 am

Did you ever play football? I made the U of Maine team as a walk on. I wasn't very good, but I do know it requires a lot of effort. I had the utmost respect as an official for the kids who practiced every day, played, and tried hard even though they were on the short end of the score. Some of the best games I worked were cross over games at the end of the season, featuring teams that were 0-9 who got a chance to play each other when the better teams went on to the play-offs and the Dome. I also worked around 25 play-off and inter-sectional games in the Carrier Dome during my 32 years in CNY.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 3:12 am

Mgo wrote:Watching a kid toy with the defense and rip off a 20 yard run then pull up and half-ass it to the sideline looks sadder and more disrespectful to the opponent than actually trying. You should always want the opponent's best shot and if you get pummeled, so be it. Then again, we're talking about kids and kids are pussies.

Yeah, most of the young ones don't give a shit what happens.
They're just puttin' their 3 hours in because mom and dad said so -- and then it'll all be a blur because they're back in their comfort zone in front of the Xbox.

I agree, it's more disrespectful for the dominator to pull up.

B-Ball team is up 54-9 in the 3rd qtr. -- dominator steals the ball and takes it down for his 15th uncontested layup of the game, and he does this...

Disrespect.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Fri Sep 27, 2013 3:55 am

Wolfman wrote:Did you ever play football? I made the U of Maine team as a walk on. I wasn't very good, but I do know it requires a lot of effort. I had the utmost respect as an official for the kids who practiced every day, played, and tried hard even though they were on the short end of the score. Some of the best games I worked were cross over games at the end of the season, featuring teams that were 0-9 who got a chance to play each other when the better teams went on to the play-offs and the Dome. I also worked around 25 play-off and inter-sectional games in the Carrier Dome during my 32 years in CNY.

With that introductory prose, seemed like you were about to dive into some interesting perspective, not c&p the wikipedia entry you created for yourself. I get it, gramps. You're more in tune with 12 year olds than I am.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:12 am

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
Wolfman wrote:Did you ever play football? I made the U of Maine team as a walk on. I wasn't very good, but I do know it requires a lot of effort. I had the utmost respect as an official for the kids who practiced every day, played, and tried hard even though they were on the short end of the score. Some of the best games I worked were cross over games at the end of the season, featuring teams that were 0-9 who got a chance to play each other when the better teams went on to the play-offs and the Dome. I also worked around 25 play-off and inter-sectional games in the Carrier Dome during my 32 years in CNY.
With that introductory prose, seemed like you were about to dive into some interesting perspective, not c&p the wikipedia entry you created for yourself. I get it, gramps. You're more in tune with 12 year olds than I am.

Well, so is Diego.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:08 am

You know what?

I played (and coached) youth tennis -- and there is absolutely NO mercy rule at all.
I have never heard of it being implemented in youth tennis.

- If the superior physical specimen is up 6-0, 3-0 and he still wants to crack his serves at 90 mph past his hapless foe, so it is.
- If he decides he wants to dial it down and show "mercy" for his opponent, so it is.
- If he (perhaps being a baseliner) decides at 6-0, 3-0, he will take the opportunity to practice a little serve and volley -- just using his opponent as a sparing partner, so it is.

I've been on both ends of all three of these scenarios.

It's entirely up to the dominator how he wants to handle his business.

Tennis players have these things called nuts.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:09 am

poptart wrote:You know what?

I played (and coached) youth tennis -- and there is absolutely NO mercy rule at all.
I have never heard of it being implemented in youth tennis.

- If the superior physical specimen is up 6-0, 3-0 and he still wants to crack his serves at 90 mph past his hapless foe, so it is.
- If he decides he wants to dial it down and show "mercy" for his opponent, so it is.
- If he (perhaps being a baseliner) decides at 6-0, 3-0, he will take the opportunity to practice a little serve and volley -- just using his opponent as a sparing partner, so it is.

I've been on both ends of all three of these scenarios.

It's entirely up to the dominator how he wants to handle his business.

Tennis players have these things called nuts.

No, dumbass, tennis has built in mercy. It is called its scoring system. You play until you reach a score and then it is over. Most every other sport has a time basis or in the case of baseball, innings. There is only one situation in tennis where you play to a higher score, its called tiebreakers, not really applicable here. If I play Federer tomorrow, he is gonna win 6-0, 6-0, 6-0, the same score he would have against you, anyone else on this board or 99.999% of the rest of the planet. He will not win a set 12-0 because there is a built in mercy rule.

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:31 am

Wolfman wrote:In college football, so I'm told, there is an unwritten rule about this..

Never heard anything about that.

Sincerely,
Steve Spurrier

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 2:35 pm

smackaholic wrote:No, dumbass, tennis has built in mercy. It is called its scoring system. You play until you reach a score and then it is over. Most every other sport has a time basis or in the case of baseball, innings. There is only one situation in tennis where you play to a higher score, its called tiebreakers, not really applicable here. If I play Federer tomorrow, he is gonna win 6-0, 6-0, 6-0, the same score he would have against you, anyone else on this board or 99.999% of the rest of the planet. He will not win a set 12-0 because there is a built in mercy rule.

It's an interesting perspective.

I would argue that by the same token, football and basketball have a built in mercy rule.

It's called... THE CLOCK, and it will run out.

In youth tennis, especially in early round matches, a lot of kids get the shit kicked out of them, are toyed with, and humiliated.
Any spectator who wanders by to watch a few minutes of the action can eyeball a total mismatch easily.
In most of the cases like this, the match is obviously over from 3-0 in the first set.
It's just batting practice for basically the entire match.

But nobody steps in to stop the action, because poor little Timmy's self of steam is taking a battering.
No, he has to stay out there, sack up, take his lumps, and go the distance.

The issue here for those who are too butthurt to accept that beatings are part of sports, is the dreadfully painful SCOREBOARD.
It just hurts too much to look at it.
35-0 is acceptable to the self of steam, but 57-0 isn't. lol

I find that funny.

Get over it.
The clock's going to run out.
You got your ass kicked all around no matter what the numbers on the scoreboard say, and anyone who watched it knows it.
And the dominator hopscotching out of bounds -- instead of taking it in for the 7th TD is only more of an insult.

Also, as Scott and trev noted, coaches know how to deal with beatings in a dignified manner.
And those coaches who don't... well, people can judge them as assholes or however else they want.

... or not.

It's life, and it comes without a protective container.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:05 pm

Jesus Christ. It's just tennis.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:30 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Then again, we're talking about kids and kids are pussies.

Wrong. Kids have parents who are pussies. Kids didn't create soccer leagues where they don't keep score and everyone get a trophy. Kids have parents who make excuses for them instead of holding them accountable.

Kids are taught to be pussies.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:48 pm

You're right. I blame your generation.

Pussies.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 5:16 pm

poptart wrote:I would argue that by the same token, football and basketball have a built in mercy rule.

It's called... THE CLOCK, and it will run out.

You don't see the difference?

Let's say tomorrow we field the T1B deers and play ANY NFL team. Yeah, there is a clock, but, the score is gonna read something triple digits to zero. The actual NFLteam will score on every play. It will be seriously ugly. if we play tennis, we lose 6-0 all three sets, which is something that actually happens even in pro mismatches. You can't win a set 194-0 simply because it ends at 6. This is pretty much a mercy rule.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 5:53 pm

This is pretty much a cripple fight.

Smackie Chan · Post by **Smackie Chan** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:33 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:This is pretty much a cripple fight.

Show some mercy.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:39 pm

KC Scott wrote:
When we were up big, we'd run the same 21 / 22 Dive play after play after play

eggzactly.....keyrist I coached little league for 13 years and if we ever got up on a team like that a few key substitutions can slow an offense down to a crawl.....same thing defensively.....put in a few daisy pickers and the opposing team will look like an offensive juggernaut.....

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:27 pm

Worst bitch move by a defense ever?

The U.S. Army in the Battle Of The Bulge.

You guys are lucky the Krauts ran outta gas and ending up punting...

...but then again, the Germans could never win on the road. They just weren't a cold weather team.

Carson · Post by **Carson** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:54 pm

Watch it, asshole.

Now that you're a Jew, don't bite the hand that feeds...

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 1:51 am

smackaholic wrote:You don't see the difference?

Let's say tomorrow we field the T1B deers and play ANY NFL team. Yeah, there is a clock, but, the score is gonna read something triple digits to zero. The actual NFLteam will score on every play. It will be seriously ugly. if we play tennis, we lose 6-0 all three sets, which is something that actually happens even in pro mismatches. You can't win a set 194-0 simply because it ends at 6. This is pretty much a mercy rule.

The only difference is that you are hung up on what the scoreboard says.

To me, an ass-kicking is an ass-kicking -- and my eyes can recognize it.
I don't need to see a gaudy scoreboard to make it true for me.

Example:

The Raiders and Chiefs have played many times, and Oakland has won it's share.
They've piled up pts on KC before.
But probably THE greatest ass-kicking I have ever seen the Raiders deliver to KC was a mere 24-0 game in December of 2002.

It was played in the rain and Oakland simply dominated the line of scrimmage all day long, got up 14-0 in the 2nd quarter, and just kept plodding away.
The Griefs could not do anything to stop Oakland from running.
The Raiders piled up 280 yds rushing and just kept grinding out first down after first down.

They did not jack up the scoreboard, but they beat the shit out of KC that day.
Anyone who watched the game knew it - and nobody needed to see a 52-0 scoreboard to have it verified.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 5:04 pm

smackaholic wrote: Let's say tomorrow we field the T1B deers and play ANY NFL team. Yeah, there is a clock, but, the score is gonna read something triple digits to zero. The actual NFLteam will score on every play.

not if josh freeman is the QB.....

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:38 pm

schmick wrote:

It is why I put my kid in travel baseball at 8 and never looked back at LL or PONY. In travel ball, only the best play, there are no mercy rules and the only crying you hear from parents are the ones whose kids are on buy on teams and still arent getting much PT.

Ohh.. the "travel" teams. The elite 8 year old team....

Travel away while every body else in town is laffing at you assholes for your "elite" teams and your $$$$ fees. The best at 8 years old???......you fucking morons. We had these teams, they drafted the "best" 8 year to 12 year olds so they could be " competitive". Not one of these " elite" teams went to a playoff game or title of any kind.

There is a pitcher on the Chicago Cubs roster today that played on my youngest sons HS team. Never played a day of "club" ball, but managed to get to the show.

So do you hire agents and shit for your "travel teams" ???

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 1:22 am

poptart wrote: To me, an ass-kicking is an ass-kicking -- and my eyes can recognize it.
I don't need to see a gaudy scoreboard to make it true for me.

And these mercy rules you are laughing about are based on what?

The fukking scoreboard. They are not based on how dominant the better team is or how many fukking first downs they made.

Nice KYOA, tart.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:16 am

smackaholic wrote:
poptart wrote: To me, an ass-kicking is an ass-kicking -- and my eyes can recognize it.
I don't need to see a gaudy scoreboard to make it true for me.
And these mercy rules you are laughing about are based on what?

The fukking scoreboard. They are not based on how dominant the better team is or how many fukking first downs they made.

Nice KYOA, tart.

Of course the mercy rules are based on the scoreboard.

I openly acknowledge it.

I think it's silly.

Perhaps baseball can use a mercy rule, but basketball and football?
No, I think trev is right.
It should be up to the coaches to handle their teams.

Football and basketball have a clock... which will expire.

That's the mercy.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:00 pm

Wolfman wrote:In college football, so I'm told, there is an unwritten rule about this. If your team is getting killed, you must face it and put in your scrubs. The winning team should follow suit. Coaches that leave in the starters in that situation are tagged for future retribution. I worked a high school game years ago in Syracuse when Dorsey Levens played. He scored like 4 times in the first quarter. He didn't get a touch for the rest of the game.

I was just talking with my hometown's varsity coach a couple of weeks ago. He's was steamed because after his squad was up 33-0 in the 3rd, he started to yank his starters. The other team's coach kept his 1st team in and scored 3 TDs over about 12 minutes of play. So our coach put his 1st team D back in for the duration, shut them down cold and won the game 39-19. The other team's Schmick errr coach never yanked his starters. I guess some folks just don't have any class.

Smackie Chan · Post by **Smackie Chan** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:17 pm

Wolfman wrote:there is an unwritten rule

What I love about unwritten rules is that the only ones who seem to know about them are the ones who cite them, and they never cite them as something THEY were following, but rather as something SOMEONE ELSE was breaking. Of course, the parties who are accused of breaking them always claim ignorance about their existence.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 6:26 pm

Smackie Chan wrote:
Wolfman wrote:there is an unwritten rule
What I love about unwritten rules is that the only ones who seem to know about them are the ones who cite them, and they never cite them as something THEY were following, but rather as something SOMEONE ELSE was breaking. Of course, the parties who are accused of breaking them always claim ignorance about their existence.

Alls I knows is Carlos Gomez took unwritten rule breaking to a new level last week.