Why I Fist Bump 9/11

[Left Seater]

Why do you hate physics and history?

[LTS TRN 2]

History is to be preserved from bizarre disinformation served up by the likes of you.

In fact when the B-25 bomber flew into the Empire State Building in 1945 it left a hole 18-feet wide and 20-feet high, much larger than the basic cockpit. As for your suggestion that the "flight 77" just sucked entirely into the very small and narrow hole in the pentagon is something out of a Road Runner cartoon. You're a total joke. And why have all of the videos and pics been impounded and permanently sealed? You can't seem to look that one in the eye.

[Left Seater]

So, what is the fuselage diameter of the B-25 and what was its wingspan?

Further, what was the diameter of the hole in the Pentagon vs the diameter of a 757 fuselage and the length of its wingspan?


Again why do you hate physics?

[Moving Sale]

Oh, yours most certainly is.

I see so you get to decide if my job is important and you get to decide if yours is too. How yellow of you.

can't support your points

Concealing evidence is consciousness of guilt, p-e-r-i-o-d.

[Moving Sale]

Oh, so the government just happened to know of every business and individual that had CC recording system or was pointing a camera or phone at the AA 757?

I have an attempted murder case I'm getting ready to try and we had all the tapes from all the local businesses in less than 48 hrs.

You have zero facts or proof and yet claim you are the only sane individuals.

Are you claiming the spooks didn't take the tapes or not.

[Left Seater]

Oh, so the government just happened to know of every business and individual that had CC recording system or was pointing a camera or phone at the AA 757?

I have an attempted murder case I'm getting ready to try and we had all the tapes from all the local businesses in less than 48 hrs.

A murder didn't happen over a large distance. Hell a block or two would be a huge murder scene. A plane flying thru the air on the other hand covers 10 typical murder scenes every few seconds. Apples to Diet Coke, much?

[Moving Sale]

There were 21 businesses spread over more than a mile. Try again.
Are the concealed tapes evidence of guilt or not?

[Left Seater]

Negative.

[LTS TRN 2]

So, what is the fuselage diameter of the B-25 and what was its wingspan?

Further, what was the diameter of the hole in the Pentagon vs the diameter of a 757 fuselage and the length of its wingspan?


Again why do you hate physics?

The fuselage of the B-25 appears about four feet wide. It's tight in there. The engines spread out about eighteen-feet. Hmm..pretty much the exact size of the whole blasted through the side of the Empire State Building.

Now with "flight 77" we see that the fuselage is wider--probably about 8-10 feet. And too we notice that the heavy engines are much lower than the cockpit--and so the idea that the wings would instantly collapse and be sucked into the small hole without making a scratch on the pentagon's walls is so utterly absurd and ludicrous that once again we're left asking---what the fuck is your fake act all about?

This eight-foot high hole (right on the ground level)....


was caused by this?


And that massive airliner just all sucked into the eight-foot hole--and continued through three rings of steel-reinforced walls? Really?


Why do you insist on asking childish evasive questions--which increasingly make you look like a fool--instead of actually attempting to answer a plain and simple question? Such as Why Were All The Tapes And Videos Impounded And Permanently Sealed? Why can't you face that one?

What's wrong with you?

[Left Seater]

What's wrong with you?

That is quite funny coming from you.

Nice job trying to distort the record here. The photo you show is from the backside of the C ring, not the outside of the building as you attempt to show with your computer generated image. Further as you refuse to acknowledge the outer three rings had a common first floor and the plane didn't have to travel thru three rings of steel reinforced walls as you continue to claim.

So the real question here LTS is why do you feel you have to resort to lies?

[Smackie Chan]

The engines spread out about eighteen-feet. Hmm..pretty much the exact size of the whole blasted through the side of the Empire State Building.

When was the ESB hit?

[Python]

I miss Cinder.

[LTS TRN 2]

What's wrong with you?

That is quite funny coming from you.

Nice job trying to distort the record here. The photo you show is from the backside of the C ring, not the outside of the building as you attempt to show with your computer generated image. Further as you refuse to acknowledge the outer three rings had a common first floor and the plane didn't have to travel thru three rings of steel reinforced walls as you continue to claim.

So the real question here LTS is why do you feel you have to resort to lies?

And...why are you maintaining that the relatively soft nose of a 757 could punch through three rings of the pentagon in the first place? And why was there no debris from an aircraft at all? And how did the FBI claim to determine the identity of 60 some bodies if there was nothing whatsoever on the scene?

And once again--because it won't go away by ignoring it--Why Were All Videos and Pics Impounded and Permanently Sealed?

And why did the Empire State building crash result in a much bigger hole than the MUCH bigger "757"?

And why is the date wrong (9/12) on the ONLY security cam video provided (which shows NOTHING whatever of a 757)?

And many more clear questions which show that the official story cannot withstand basic scrutiny.

You still haven't actually said you believe the official story. What the fuck ARE you?

[Left Seater]

And...why are you maintaining that the relatively soft nose of a 757 could punch through three rings of the pentagon in the first place?

See you can't even go on sentence without a lie. It didn't go thru three rings. Those three rings shared a common first floor. It entered once and exited once.

This just further proves you are trolling or lack the IQ of even my dog.

[LTS TRN 2]

First of all, that's bullshit. It wasn't just one wall. That's just some disinformation to which you're clinging. The photos very clearly show it penetrated three rings. The official story maintains that the entry hole was basically on the ground--and that because the engines on a 757 are several feet below the cockpit a "100-foot crater" was made by the approaching "flight 77" so as to allow the (soft) nose to strike at ground level. There of course was no such crater on the lawn. Nothing. Moreover, the official story hedged a bit and also said the plane struck "between the first and second floors"--and yet there was no damage at all to the second floor. And too, even within the cartoonish notion of the plane "sucking in the wings" to the very small hole without leaving a scratch on the walls, why didn't the 44-foot high tail strike the upper floors upon impact and make a mark--any mark?

You see, the more one looks at the official story, the more it falls apart. Even if you are clinging to the thin straws of Popular Mechanics disinfo, you're still left with more and more obvious holes in the story. Why do you suppose it so improbable that the folks who openly pined for a New Pearl Harbor wouldn't pull it off?

[Killian]

And why was there no debris from an aircraft at all?

Come again?






And what were you saying about no human remains?

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/was ... n-usat.htm

[Derron]

I have an attempted murder case I'm getting ready to try and we had all the tapes from all the local businesses in less than 48 hrs.

Bullshit.

[Derron]

First of all, that's bullshit.

You would be the first one to recognize it, since that is all your cum soaked lips can produce.

[Moving Sale]

Negative.

I see so spoliation of evidence isn't a real thing? Funny how you know more about the law than Black's Law dictionary.

[Left Seater]

First of all, that's bullshit. It wasn't just one wall. That's just some disinformation to which you're clinging. The photos very clearly show it penetrated three rings.

The same photos also show a common first floor.

Second, please show us one photo of the entry hole. You keep claiming the exit hole in ring C to be the entry point which it clearly isn't.

[LTS TRN 2]

Notice the lack of any damage from the 44-foot high tail section. Notice too that you're once again squirming like a nervous little bitch when confronted with many more questions than you can begin to deal with. Like...why were all the videos impounded and permanently sealed? What's wrong with you? Why are you clinging to an obvious coverup?







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcWT2lQszEE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUmr9dFbf2c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypc4ieJO0pg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paWiZ2Y8fRg

And this is just ONE of basic assertions of the official story beaten flat like an abalone. And just think...you can't emerge from your fear cave to attempt to defend this or ANY of the many other fallacies of the official 9/11 Commission report. Do you even know what it was? Who convened it? Appointed the members? Who presided? Who determined the final conclusions?

[LTS TRN 2]

Sam, don't be a childish little dickwad gulping lard and buttermilk in your trailer. Your country has been hijacked. Wake the fuck up!

[LTS TRN 2]

Well if you're going to actually make such jokes, go ahead, but your piddling reference to the hog (of posted rump-up pics best forgotten) is just a distraction--and suggests you really have no idea or care as to what's really going on.

[Left Seater]

Notice the lack of any damage from the 44-foot high tail section. Notice too that you're once again squirming like a nervous little bitch when confronted with many more questions than you can begin to deal with.

Why do you feel the need to distort every single fact. Yes the tip of a 757 stabilizer is 44 ft above the ground, when the landing gear are fully extended.. You do know that a tall individual can easily walk underneath a 757 while it is sitting on the ground. So save us the 44 foot tall tail bullcrap.

Stop cutting and pasting because you look worse every day.

[LTS TRN 2]

What's this, more squirming? First, how does the 757 hit the wall at virtually ground level when the massive engines are a full ten feet or so below the cockpit? As I mentioned (and you squirmingly ignored) the official 9/11 Commission report actually states that a 100-foot crater was caused by this necessity. Of course we can see in subsequent photos that no such crater was caused at all. Where's your explanation of this obvious hole in the story?

Even with the landing gear up the tail was still at least 35-40-feet high, and yet absolutely no impact damage ? Why?

And why were all the videos impounded and sealed? Why do you think you can just squirm and parse and...defend what?

I've provided clear photos of the immediate impact area which demonstrate the total implausibility of the official story.

You provide nothing but backpeddling insults and squirming evasions. And you don't dare approach any of the basic questions provided.

What the fuck are you?

[Derron]

What the fuck are you?

I am pretty sure Lefty is an ATP rated commercial pilot. Which gives him major BODE over your mushroom induced fantasies that you can prove that multiple natural laws can be completely disregarded in your engineering thinking.

[Killian]

As I mentioned (and you squirmingly ignored) the official 9/11 Commission report actually states that a 100-foot crater was caused by this necessity.

No, it didn't. Link, or stfu.

[Left Seater]

Even with the landing gear up the tail was still at least 35-40-feet high, and yet absolutely no impact damage ?

I've provided clear photos of the immediate impact area which demonstrate the total implausibility of the official story.

And you don't dare approach any of the basic questions provided.

Yeah, with the gear up the top of the tail was 40 feet above ground. If the plane hit the ground before hitting the bldg, there is a good chance the vertical and horizontal stabilizers broke away from the rest of the plane at or near the aft bulkhead.

Your clear photos are a joke. What the hell is that blue area and why is it so obscured? But even with that the enlarged area is the top of the second floor.

I can't begin to approach any of your so called basic questions because you deal in make believe. You distort facts or outright lie, so we can't have a basic discussion.

[Moving Sale]

Negative.

I see so spoliation of evidence isn't a real thing? Funny how you know more about the law than Black's Law dictionary.

I'll just leave this right here, even though it's already a few posts up.

[Left Seater]

Evidence isn't guilt. I am guessing there is some sort of legal definition of evidence of guilt that you are going to fall back on. But your trying to jump from the government sealed the tapes therefore that proves a plane didn't hit the Pentagon.

If that is true, then why is there going to be a trial in the AH case in Attleboro? He destroyed the tapes so in your mind it proves his guilt.

[Moving Sale]

No I'm not saying that it's proof I'm saying it's evidence that tends to show guilt. Will you admit that or not?

[Left Seater]

Ok, in the AH case I would agree with you. But as you said it doesn't prove squat.

In the AH case I don't know of any other evidence. In the Pentagon case, there is plenty of other evidence that leans supports it being a 757. I don't know why the government would seal said tapes.

[LTS TRN 2]

Even with the landing gear up the tail was still at least 35-40-feet high, and yet absolutely no impact damage ?

I've provided clear photos of the immediate impact area which demonstrate the total implausibility of the official story.

And you don't dare approach any of the basic questions provided.

Yeah, with the gear up the top of the tail was 40 feet above ground. If the plane hit the ground before hitting the bldg, there is a good chance the vertical and horizontal stabilizers broke away from the rest of the plane at or near the aft bulkhead.

Your clear photos are a joke. What the hell is that blue area and why is it so obscured? But even with that the enlarged area is the top of the second floor.

I can't begin to approach any of your so called basic questions because you deal in make believe. You distort facts or outright lie, so we can't have a basic discussion.

Relax, your runnin' and squirmin' days are coming to an end.

You seem to be rather reluctant to acknowledge that the massive Rolls Royce engines of the (huge) 757 ride a good ten-feet lower than the cockpit And that if--as you squirimgingly spurt--"hit the ground before hitting the building"..that the rear tail section would have broken off.

Really? And so they would be properly strewn about the cratered pentagon lawn.

But there was no crater because of course the "flight 77" never hit the ground before the impact. Right? Or...there should have been a mark...a crater..any sort of mark on the grass? No, there was no mark on the grass at all. So...you've completely rolled over and are puking like a sick pup?

And there were no pieces of tail section on the lawn as you suggest would ensue. Or what?...was it all just swallowed and atomized like the massive Rolls Royce engines?

You see, your every mewling parsing pawing attempt to address--let alone defend--any of the claims of the official story just pull you down deeper into the slimy horrific truth.

And you really can't handle the truth. :wink:

(p.s. "Killian" no longer exists)

[Left Seater]

You seem to be rather reluctant to acknowledge that the massive Rolls Royce engines of the (huge) 757 ride a good ten-feet lower than the cockpit

You really have zero understanding of airliners or flight dynamics.

The Rolls Royce engines on the 757 are not huge at all. In fact the diameter of the fan is 6.1 feet. At its largest diameter the engine with cowling attached is 6.4 feet. Hardly huge or massive as you claim. Reality says the RB211-535 engine developed for the 757 is only slightly larger than the fan on a 737.

Further, you do know that to reach the cockpit of a 757 you have to step down from the main cabin. Oh, wait, of course you don't know that. You know zero about commercial airliners and flight. As you just learned the RB211-535 engines are not massive, so why are you making up crap about them extending 10 feet below the fuselage? Take a look at this photo from head on:



Since we know that the fan diameter is just over 6 feet and we can see that the center of the fan itself is even with the bottom of the fuselage, simple math tells us the bottom of the engine is just over three feet below the fuselage.

was it all just swallowed and atomized like the massive Rolls Royce engines?

Again with the massive Rolls Royce engines. Your own photo shows that the engines were not atomized. They clearly show in interior stages of the RB211. The rest of the plane will burn to damn near nothing, but not the engines since they deal with high heat throughout the flight. Go google yourself a photo of the Asiana 777 that crashed in SFO. Look at what fire did to that plane and then tell yourself that that happened within an airport.

And you really can't handle the truth.

The next time you post something truthful will be the first. Why not try it for once and then we will gauge my reaction.

[LTS TRN 2]

Oh, you've got lots of questions about the pentagon attack, Sam? Really? And I suppose you might have a couple questions about the controlled demolition of the three WTC towers? And maybe about those dancing Israelis? And the firefighters and police who reported explosions in the basements just before those collapses? But...you wouldn't bother to discuss those here. Surely you've some more prominent forum to discuss the hijacking of your country?

As for L-seat, the King of Squirm, who just doesn't know why the government would seal all hose videos, to see how desperate a man can get when cornered by clear facts (i.e., no "crater" on the pentagon lawn--which would have been necessary given the ground level entry hole, and no tail debris when it necessarily broke off), to see him daily twist more and more into a wound-up little parsing punk, is almost embarrassing.

The need for security, the need to believe in a stable protective government, is perhaps a primal aspect of a social creature. But this does not inany way avail you of your actual duty as an American--and a conscious world citizen--to want, need, and deserve the truth.

And if you think it was somehow just an anomaly that GW Bush was sitting walleyed in a Florida schoolroom reading My Little Goat as the New Pearl Harbor was delivered unto the nation amid the greatest stand down in military history , well...it's really time to

WAKEY WAKE :wink:

[Smackie Chan]

I'll be at the Pentagon tomorrow morning. I'll look into this.

[LTS TRN 2]

"Why yes. Yes, I do."

Really? Where?

And really, Sam, why is the greatest crime of all time a "mundane matter"? Or is it "serious shit"? Or are these the same in your lard-guzzling head space?

What's the deal? You seem confused? Or is that medicated?

[Left Seater]

LTS so now you are going to hang your hat on this crater. Keep grabbing for anything you can make stick, because everything else you have has been invalidated.

Two of my favorites are, a plane flying close to the ground with it's flaps deployed would immediately crash and there is no airplane debris at all around the Pentagon.

Those two will headline your exhibit at the Board Bitch Hall of Fame.

[LTS TRN 2]

No, L-seater, the crater--which by your own flimsy explanation would be necessary--was not there. So...what's your explanation? Your simply mentioning it and dismissing it--as though you've offered any explanation--is totally fake (as usual).

No, there's LOT'S of big problems with the official story, and you've yet to address any of them. That is, besides your mewling "I don't know why the videos are sealed." What is that supposed to mean? That your curiosity is similar to Sam's, just a lazy dog snoozin'?

What are you suggesting you've invalidated? That two 757 engines just atomized after being sucked into a small hole without leaving a scratch on the wall into which they'd just rammed at 400-mph?

But as you suggest--as per your expertise--these were actually rather small engines.

really?



And what about the tail debris that should have been strewn all about the pentagon lawn--as per your palsied support of a 757 disappearing into the small hole?

Why do you suggest and imply (though never actually stating) that you've even addressed any of the direct questions? You like to say "we've been all over this..", but in fact you've offered nothing but nervous niggling parsings, and some empty smears which again assume that you've got some support--that someone else is on your side. Who? And who and what are you?


If you can actually answer a direct question, trust me there's a lot more.

[Left Seater]

You can't post a single thing without lying or completely distorting facts.

I said it was likely the vertical and horizontal stabilizers broke off. It is also likely they were completely consumed in the fire that followed.

Please tell me why a crater is necessary? The plane was far more likely to skid along the ground given the speed it was flying at than to create a crater. Further the engines most likely broke up thru the wings.


If it wasn't a plane that hit the pentagon then explain how all the aircraft debris was moved into place after the impact?