Dins - let's talk about piss.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 4:24 pm

What a friggin waste. That would only be done in an area where it rains every other day, and/or Portland.

Fact is most of us are drinking some sort of recycled water. See San Diego where 85% of their water comes from NoCal or the Colorado River. When you flush your toilet in Las Vegas guess where that water eventually ends up? Yep, the Colorado River.

The facts are that the water coming out the back end of the treatment plant is almost always cleaner than the water that comes in the water treatment plant. The EPA and others make sure of this by testing discharge in rivers above and below discharge points. Rivers are often cleaner below the discharge point than above it.

So if San Diego needs more water they just need to tell Vegas to flush more.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:00 pm

Left Seater wrote:What a friggin waste. That would only be done in an area where it rains every other day, and/or Portland.

Portland's water doesn't come from Portland. There's a huge restricted (as in only water bureau employees can enter) chuck of forest west of Mt Hood that collects in impoundments, which leads to the bottom one (Bull Run #3), which is kind of the water treatment plant -- it filters through silt in an earthen dam. They add a touch of ammonia (ph buffer to save the pipes), and a bit of chlorine, and call it done. Pump it down the mountains and into the city. The slope/valley where the water comes from averages about 180" of precip a year(lots of snow), so no lack of water there. Portland doesn't get nearly enough rain to sustain their water use.

The feds HATE the Mt Tabor reservoirs (sitting atop a volcano that's within city limits). The city had covers made for them, but the... whatever faction of Greenies they are were outraged. Someone pisses in them every couple of years (cameras everywhere, they get caught), and a big deal is made. Yet no one ever says a word about the hundreds of ducks and geese that call the reservoirs home, pissing and shitting in them all day long.

That's just one of the reservoirs up there. They all need to be covered. Hard to replace that capacity with steel tanks, since 4 million is a pretty huge tank. But they could cover the existing ones. And you should hear the mewling from the... transplants, or whatever they are every time the subject comes up.

As an aside, there's a ballot measure to take control of the water bureau away from the worthless city council. I have a hunch that'll get the Mt Tabor Reservoirs fixed in a hurry.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:01 pm

Left Seater wrote:What a friggin waste. That would only be done in an area where it rains every other day, and/or Portland.

Fact is most of us are drinking some sort of recycled water. See San Diego where 85% of their water comes from NoCal or the Colorado River. When you flush your toilet in Las Vegas guess where that water eventually ends up? Yep, the Colorado River.

The facts are that the water coming out the back end of the treatment plant is almost always cleaner than the water that comes in the water treatment plant. The EPA and others make sure of this by testing discharge in rivers above and below discharge points. Rivers are often cleaner below the discharge point than above it.

So if San Diego needs more water they just need to tell Vegas to flush more.

I'm thinking about calling the Mayor of Tank Town.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gys8n75yfNY

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:16 pm

Lots of new homes around here have rain water collection systems. Most don't use them for drinking water, but for landscape irrigation when we are in the July and August months.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:18 pm

What exactly is the problem here?

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:22 pm

Left Seater wrote:Lots of new homes around here have rain water collection systems. Most don't use them for drinking water, but for landscape irrigation when we are in the July and August months.

Plenty of that here. With the city council in charge, water is so expensive that people collect it for irrigation in summer. Usually just simple barrels or small tanks.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:50 pm

We installed four barrels on our downspouts a couple of months ago as an experiment. Total capacity of 200 or so gallons, though, isn't really much and they get filled in an hour or less then it rains.

Huge potential on our lot (an acre on a slope, house 2/3 of the way up) because the landscape and hardscape drains from the pad are already piped to one spot at the bottom of the driveway. The challenge will be to collect the water at the bottom and find a way to pump it to a holding tank at the top, and then use gravity.

It'll be a good project to keep me occupied if and when I retire.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:55 pm

I have two rain barrels. One sits next to my row of tomato plants. And yes, a good rain fills that 65 gallon barrel in no time. Late last summer, I got some PVC, drilled a series of holes in it, and hung it on the back side of the tomato cages, to spread the barrel overflow to the plants. We’ll see how it works this year. During dry spells I can just water the maters from the barrel.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:12 pm

Mikey wrote: Huge potential on our lot (an acre on a slope, house 2/3 of the way up) because the landscape and hardscape drains from the pad are already piped to one spot at the bottom of the driveway. The challenge will be to collect the water at the bottom and find a way to pump it to a holding tank at the top, and then use gravity.

Polly a tax subsidy available. Check with 'Holic.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:21 pm

We got a $300 check last week from the Water Authority for installing the barrels. I think they cost about $120 each, so that's a pretty good rebate.

Thanks a bunch suckers.

BTW, I already have a 35,000 gallon open air storage tank in my back yard. Too bad the water's too salty to use in the garden. Might come in handy, though, if we get any more wild fires around here.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:24 pm

Mikey wrote: Thanks a bunch suckers.

Are there other posters that live in the same water authority? Unless the WA is getting federal dollars not even 'Holic will care about that refund.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:33 pm

Mikey wrote: BTW, I already have a 35,000 gallon open air storage tank in my back yard. Too bad the water's too salty to use in the garden. Might come in handy, though, if we get any more wild fires around here.

Why is it salty?

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:52 pm

Moving Sale wrote:
Mikey wrote: BTW, I already have a 35,000 gallon open air storage tank in my back yard. Too bad the water's too salty to use in the garden. Might come in handy, though, if we get any more wild fires around here.
Why is it salty?

He's obviously been pissing in it.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:55 pm

Left Seater wrote:

Polly a tax subsidy available. Check with 'Holic.

They don't have subsidies around here, but they'll discount some of the "stormwater runoff fee" in the water bill if a person installs rain collection, the size of which depends on the amount of roof and pavement on the property. Because saving a few hundred gallons of runoff out of billions going into storm drains (the cost of which doesn't change with the volume of water down them) surely must make a difference.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:56 pm

BTW -- if I had rainwater barrels, I could fill them in milliseconds right now.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:05 pm

Moving Sale wrote:
Mikey wrote: BTW, I already have a 35,000 gallon open air storage tank in my back yard. Too bad the water's too salty to use in the garden. Might come in handy, though, if we get any more wild fires around here.
Why is it salty?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_water_chlorination

Salt concentration of 2700 to 3400 ppm makes the water feel very soft; the system produces almost no chemical odor, and doesn't turn anybody's hair green.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:17 pm

Could be they need to maintain their system of storm drains and they want to distribute the cost equitably among those whose properties are shedding the water.

Yes, water will find its way to the ocean no matter what, but not always the way you want it to.

Draining that entire lake is pretty fucking stupid, though.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:19 pm

Papa Willie wrote:Point is, the Portland gov't (I'm sure they're liberal - they have to be) will drain it all for a guy pissing in it, but animal piss and shit is okay. Just fucking wow.

The Tabor Reservoirs are home to literally hundreds of ducks and geese, year round. A goose shits quite a bit -- straight into the water supply.

But this time of year, water is spilling out of Bull Run at quite a clip, so replacing the 38 million gallons isn't a big issue -- out a few bucks in chemicals. I'm sure they'll spray it down with chlorine and pressure-wash it before they refill it (which is work I've done, in years past. Pretty brainless way to spend a day or two, which puts it right in my wheelhouse).

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:26 pm

Mikey wrote:
Draining that entire lake is pretty fucking stupid, though.

As I mentioned (sort of), that might hold true with a more conventional treatment system. With Bull Run, there's no RO, UV, or any other conventional system -- just filters through a huge bed of glacial/volcanic silt. The water either goes into the mains and gets a little chlorine/ammonia, or just flows into the Bull Run River, which dumps in the Sandy River, then the Columbia. The same amount of water is coming out, either way. In July/August/September (the Sahara Season), when they start hoarding the water in the drainage a bit, they might have made a different decision. But this time of year, there isn't enough impoundment capacity to hold all the snowmelt and the rain that comes down through Bull Run.

They can refill that sucker in a few hours this time of year.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:26 pm

Mikey wrote:
Draining that entire lake is pretty fucking stupid, though.

As I mentioned (sort of), that might hold true with a more conventional treatment system. With Bull Run, there's no RO, UV, or any other conventional system -- just filters through a huge bed of glacial/volcanic silt. The water either goes into the mains and gets a little chlorine/ammonia, or just flows into the Bull Run River, which dumps in the Sandy River, then the Columbia. The same amount of water is coming out, either way. In July/August/September (the Sahara Season), when they start hoarding the water in the drainage a bit, they might have made a different decision. But this time of year, there isn't enough impoundment capacity to hold all the snowmelt and the rain that comes down through Bull Run.

They can refill that sucker in a few hours this time of year.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:39 pm

Mikey wrote: Salt concentration of 2700 to 3400 ppm makes the water feel very soft; the system produces almost no chemical odor, and doesn't turn anybody's hair green.

Gross. Do you brush your teeth with that shit?

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:40 pm

Too bad you can't ship some down here.

Too bad you can't ship some down here.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:40 pm

Moving Sale wrote:
Mikey wrote: Salt concentration of 2700 to 3400 ppm makes the water feel very soft; the system produces almost no chemical odor, and doesn't turn anybody's hair green.
Gross. Do you brush your teeth with that shit?

It's a swimming pool, moron.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:00 pm

I know it's a pool. The question is would you brush your teeth with it and if not why don't you use a better system to clean your pool water since you live in an arid climate?

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:21 pm

Moving Sale wrote:I know it's a pool. The question is would you brush your teeth with it and if not why don't you use a better system to clean your pool water since you live in an arid climate?

If I brushed my teeth with it I'd have to drain it.

I guess you know of a "better" (you'll need to define "better") system, even though I seriously doubt you actually own a pool, so...what is it? UV? Magical incantations? Midget piss?

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:25 pm

Papa Willie wrote: Have you started having troubles with it? I know several folks that made the conversion over to salt a few years back, and now all their shit is rotting out. Salt water takes no prisoners. It will fuck everything up that it touches eventually...

No problems at all with it, except that I need to replace the cell periodically at $300 to $400 a pop. Every 2 to maybe 5 years depending on how diligent I am at maintaining the water chemistry and cleaning the cell when I backwash the filter.

My pool is now about 13 years old. Salt isn't too bad with plaster, ceramic tile or PVC. I don't have much of anything metal coming in contact with the water.

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:29 pm

I set up a 35 gallon barrel for collecting rain water from my front down spout. MrsO uses it to water her plants. Has never run dry.
BTW---human urine is sterile. In an emergency, a better choice for washing out wounds than any water you might have at hand.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:31 pm

Wolfman wrote:
BTW---human urine is sterile.

Good thing to, seeing as how Moving Sale brushes his teeth with it.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:53 pm

If you are one of the morons who buy bottled water because you think you're getting some "purified" product "enhanced" with minerals or what not, check the label for the source. I don't know about all the brands of bottled water foisted on suckers, but Nestle, one of the huge brand names, gets most if not all of their bottled water from public water systems like Dallas or Nashville. Says so right on the label.

What a scam, what a waste. Fill a bazillion plastic bottles with $0.002 cents worth of water (the bottle and label cost more) pack them up and ship them all over the place (more cost, more waste) where the trash winds up in the landfill or the ocean. If the green freaks want to get worked up about something, there you go.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:30 pm

Most enlightened people use ozone treatment for their pools and spas which is what I use in my spa.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:36 pm

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:50 pm

Moving Sale wrote:Most enlightened people use ozone treatment for their pools and spas which is what I use in my spa.

Ozone is an oxidizer and does not replace chlorine in a pool. Possibly reduces the required concentration, but does not replace it.

Nice try.

I keep my chlorine levels in my pool very low anyway because we haven't yet invited smackaholic or any of his ilk over to use it.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 11:53 pm

BSmack wrote:

Turk... did you cum?

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:20 am

MS, you really are a weapons grade stupid fukk. Those salt chlorine generators are the way to go. If I had plans on keeping my above ground pool more than a few more years, I think I'd invest in one. Are the salt levels high enough to make it harmful to plants? I wouldn't think so, but maybe prolonged exposure would do it.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Fri Apr 18, 2014 12:49 am

Mikey wrote: Ozone is an oxidizer and does not replace chlorine in a pool. Possibly reduces the required concentration, but does not replace it.

Possibly? How about my spa is rarely above 200 ppm. Low enough to use on plants or brush your teeth if need be, but then I'm smarter than you it would appear.

Holic,
How is the 20th century treating you?

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:18 am

I think I'll take another hour long shower tomorrow morning.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:19 am

We had this thread a few months ago...

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=43619&hilit=piss

Water Supply Cut Off After Man Urinates In Reservoir

Carson · Post by **Carson** » Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:36 am

Moving Sale wrote:
Mikey wrote: Ozone is an oxidizer and does not replace chlorine in a pool. Possibly reduces the required concentration, but does not replace it.
Possibly? How about my spa is rarely above 200 ppm. Low enough to use on plants or brush your teeth if need be, but then I'm smarter than you it would appear.

Spas and pools are two different environments because of the total water surface area, circulation patterns, and solar exposure.

But I'm sure for you, a spa is equal to an Olympic-size pool.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Fri Apr 18, 2014 2:02 pm

Carson wrote: But I'm sure for you, a spa is equal to an Olympic-size pool.

Almost every pool in the Olympics has used ozone since 1984 you stupid fucking cocksucker. Geeze you fuckers are dumb.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Fri Apr 18, 2014 3:20 pm

Moving Sale wrote:
Carson wrote: But I'm sure for you, a spa is equal to an Olympic-size pool.
Almost every pool in the Olympics has used ozone since 1984 you stupid fucking cocksucker.

And absolutely not a necessary or efficient system for a residential pool, you ankle nibbling gerbil. Geeze you are dumber than a bag of fucking road apples.