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To give your bullshit take any consideration, one would have to believe that:

Someone (and likely many people) had the ability to obtain, arm, and control some sort of a missile and deliver it to the Pentagon disguised as an airliner sufficient to mislead a crew of a C-130 into believing that it was a 757.

Someone (and likely many people) would have had to right the WTC's with explosives or arrange similar missiles to fly into the WTC buildings on 9/11.

Someone (and likely many people) had the ability to commandeer Flight 77, take it somewhere else, and kill every single person on board.

Someone (and likely many people) would have had to do the same thing with three other airliners.

Despite the enormous cast and crew that would have to have been involved in such a conspiracy, none of them has spoken a single word about the conspiracy during the last 13 years.

That anyone could believe that such a conspiracy occurred boggles the mind.
A very good ploy in the FFO is to get people to believe that the operation would need to be larger than it actually needed to be. This is done by using plants to suggest a much more complicated conspiracy than necessary, thus duping people like 88 to become married to the government narrative. Once married to the government narrative most people will (unlike a real marriage) never let go, even in the face of unexplainable concepts in the government narrative. Once married to the GN, it doesn’t matter how stupid the GN is (folding wings, 100 foot airliner into 16 ft hole, fire melting steal and titanium, magic windows, and the like) the dupe is now a full-fledged (although still outside the loop) member of the GN and will defend it vigorously.
And this is an accurate take on the rigid denial of folks who are determined to believe the ludicrous official story.

As for the interesting claims of a seeming large number of people involved in such a conspiracy, this is rather misleading. This sort of false flag operation--like the Reichstag Fire--is pyramidal in structure. That is, no one knows what their superior knows--all the way up to the top. And in this case, let's be frank, the top is Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld, Dov Zakheim, and various PNAC swine like Wolfowitz. The control of the media was already in place, as the flood of false accusations and war hysteria was similarly planned well in advance.

And yes, the passengers on the four planes (each barely a third full) were murdered. Why would this be a surprise given the scope of the false attack?

And yes, the three towers were obviously fitted with demolition devices--not any sort of impossibility given the fact that Larry Silverstein had purchased them only several months prior. And I'm sure you've seen the video where Silverstein admits--astonishingly--that indeed WTC 7 had been "pulled" by necessity. Now this is absurd in the sense that a huge steel-framed building would be in any sort of peril due to a fire, but moreover that the building was already prepared for such an emergency demolition--as though this is somehow standard!!!

Here, let's hear it from Larry..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p34XrI2Fm6I

Now...why would he admit such a thing? because he's frazzled out of his tree at the fact that this thing is actually underway?

AS for the pentagon attack, the photo is real. The front of the building was obviously not struck by a 120-ton airliner...look..

This is the actual damage
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\And this is the official cause...
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Obviously no 757 slammed into the pentagon.

As to SS's claim of voluminous evidence, where is it? Any photos, videos? Any of the flight recorder data released? No? Nothing?
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You are not even trying, I hope. The engines are on the wings. They contain titanium. It doesn't disinigrate under those g forces.
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Indeed, and the wings on a 757 are in fact filled with fuel. And the official narrative asserts that these fuel-filled wings clipped several light poles upon the ground level approach. Of course an airliner's wings cannot withstand any such impact without breaking up and becoming inflamed. And despite the fact that a 757 cannot fly at 500-mph (not 350 as suggested) because of the heavy air at sea level, it would have scraped its massive engines on the lawn (and crashed right away). But...no, no marks at all on the lawn.

It looks ready for some golf.
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And notice that the huge plume of smoke is actually coming from a pair of burning dumpsters, not the hole of supposed 757 "disintegration"..
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Moving Sale wrote:Sure he mixes in too much ... Well I can't think of the right word but he mixes in to much something.
Bullshit is the word you're searching for.
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Moving Sale wrote:The engines are on the wings. They contain titanium. It doesn't disinigrate under those g forces.
Probably explains why they found parts of the engine inside the pentagon.

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LTS TRN 2 wrote:It looks ready for some golf.
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And notice that the huge plume of smoke is actually coming from a pair of burning dumpsters, not the hole of supposed 757 "disintegration"..
I also noticed that that isn't a picture of the impact point, you fucking idiot.
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Yes it is. The impact was just to the right of the flame. And ...where is the damage to the lawn?

As for the single chunk of turbine found inside, it matches the size of Golden Eagle (or perhaps an A-3 Skywarrior), but not a 757.

Here, have a look from another angle at the pristine lawn and the tiny hole
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And c'mon, babs, what about Larry Silverstein admitting the WTC 7 was "pulled"? How come you keep squirming away from one gaping hole in the story just to quibble on some fake point of objection?

What the fuck are you? :?:
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LTS TRN 2 wrote:And the official narrative asserts that these fuel-filled wings clipped several light poles upon the ground level approach. Of course an airliner's wings cannot withstand any such impact without breaking up and becoming inflamed.

This statement is exactly why you have zero credibility. You claim a 757 couldn't have hit the bldg because there are no wing or tail entry points on the super reinforced concrete building. Then you turn around and claim that a light pole would break the wings apart. Light poles that are designed to sheer the screws at the base if a small amount of force is applied.

It is clear that you have no understanding of much of what you speak. If you did you wouldn't keep contradicting yourself.
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No, pops, you're not babs. That's "mscval". You need to change your Depends.

SS, the falsity of the official story includes the snapped off light poles. Here, study this..
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And explain in your free time what Larry Silverstein meant by the need to "pull" WTC7.... :popcorn:
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Well, pops, why don't you trot out an explanation for Larry Silverstein's bizarre admission? Why don't you attempt to explain why all the videos have been impounded and sealed? In short, why don't you stop being a niggling little bitch, and try to address some of the many glaring holes in the official story? Are you saying you're smarter and better informed than a major general of the U.S. Army? Or hundreds of pilots and engineers? I'm not alone, you are.
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So when your contradictions are pointed out, you just roll on to another line?

Just throw a bunch of poop at the wall and hope something sticks, ehh?
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mvscal wrote:
Moving Sale wrote:The engines are on the wings. They contain titanium. It doesn't disinigrate under those g forces.
Probably explains why they found parts of the engine inside the pentagon.
You and 88 seem to differ on this point. That being said, I'll play. Where did they enter the building?
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You mean where did "it" enter the building. there was only one.

Fakeseater, you're the one running a marathon of denial here. Sure, explain how a 757's wing can hit a steel pole at 500-mph and not rupture. And why didn't the engines scrape the ground? And what the fuck was Larry Silverstein admitting? C'mon, you're really slow and out of shape.
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Back to the number of people needed.
If you assume three planes hit three buildings (and somehow also took out wtc7) then you have a few people at the top. This is no different than any other FFO. Next you have 3 people per plane and one dude with airport clearance to get them a gun or 10. That's about it if you believe the rest of the Government Narrative is true. So 12 dead guys, four mid level people and the people at the top. Hardly a boat load.
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Huh? Well, a colonel isn't a general, let alone a major general. Sure, no surprise he thought it was a plane. But..he didn't see it. He apparently didn't offer any follow=up recon, and he sure as fuck hasn't answered any of the myriad of questions that render the official story moot and lame.

What about Larry Silverstein? I notice no one wants to touch this curious and admittedly baffling admission of a planned demolition of WTC7. S'up? :wink:
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So..nothing about Larry?... :? .....Concerned people want to know...
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how does a thread about global warming devolve into another 9/11 conspiracy thread promulgated by a batshit crazy attention seeking lunatic?

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Felix wrote:how does a thread about global warming devolve into another 9/11 conspiracy thread promulgated by a batshit crazy attention seeking lunatic?

oh, LTS shows up.....
Your short-answer is spot-on.

The longer answer is, that 9/11 Guy and Global Warming Guy are pretty much one and the same.

I believe the psychologists refer to it as "cognitive dissonance." Their meaningless life would be so much better if these deeply held beliefs were true, and they'd fall on the side of The Enlightened, which of course makes them superior to the non-believers, "Deniers," what-have-you.

The problem being, there's very little evidence either is true, and that becomes more and more obvious as time goes by. But they're way too deeply invested emotionally to allow actual facts to disrupt their belief system, because that would be admitting to being wrong...

which is pretty much the same thing as Devout Christian Guy.
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LTS TRN 2 wrote:So..nothing about Larry?... :? .....Concerned people want to know...
Mr. Dara McQuillan, a spokesman for Silverstein Properties, on September 9, 2005 wrote:Seven World Trade Center collapsed at 5:20 p.m. on September 11, 2001, after burning for seven hours. There were no casualties, thanks to the heroism of the Fire Department and the work of Silverstein Properties employees who evacuated tenants from the building.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) conducted a thorough investigation of the collapse of all the World Trade Center buildings. The FEMA report concluded that the collapse of Seven World Trade Center was a direct result of fires triggered by debris from the collapse of WTC Tower 1.

In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the building.

Later in the day, the Fire Commander ordered his firefighters out of the building and at 5:20 p.m. the building collapsed. No lives were lost at Seven World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.

As noted above, when Mr. Silverstein was recounting these events for a television documentary he stated, “I said, you know, we've had such terrible loss of life. Maybe the smartest thing to do is to pull it.” Mr. McQuillan has stated that by “it,” Mr. Silverstein meant the contingent of firefighters remaining in the building.
Here is a link to a scientific report that examined the collapse of WTC7 and explains why it happened (note the consideration and confirmation that there is a lack of any evidence of intentional demolition).

http://www.nist.gov/customcf/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=861610

But let's say you are right. WTC7 was intentionally demolished by the NYFD or some other actor that day. What would that purport to prove, in your esteemed opinion? That a severely damaged building was intentionally demolished? So what?
Well, you've got cheek, SS, I'll say that. I mean if you can roll out this mewling effort with sincerity, you are truly "bold-faced." However, it's still utter nonsense from stem to stern. The notion that the (recently entirely overhauled and reinforced) steel-framed skyscraper would collapse from "a fire" under any conditions is utterly ludicrous. And the possibility of it simply collapsing in a perfect controlled demolition manner is similarly impossible.

As for Larry's quote, listen to it. He's not saying "pull them" at all. He very clearly denotes the meaning of a controlled demolition. Now, have you actually heard or read the official explanation for how this miraculous controlled demolition occurred? It's hilarious--and scary. The official--an Indian fellow who speaks poor English--announces an "unprecedented" event of spontaneous collapse. And then this ludicrous assertion was not followed up on by the diligent muzzled media. Nothing to challenge or examine the possibility of this "unprecedented" occurrence.

As for a "fire" somehow compromising hundreds of huge steel pilings at exactly the same time, well this is beyond absurd. What was supposed to be on fire in the first place? Some falling debris? What was supposed to be burning at such sustained high temperatures? Desks and chairs? Reams of typing paper?

And what about the numerous reports from police and firefighters and civilians of hearing explosions coming from the basement of WTC7 prior to the collapse?
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Felix wrote:how does a thread about global warming devolve into another 9/11 conspiracy thread promulgated by a batshit crazy attention seeking lunatic?

oh, LTS shows up.....
Your short-answer is spot-on.

The longer answer is, that 9/11 Guy and Global Warming Guy are pretty much one and the same.

I believe the psychologists refer to it as "cognitive dissonance." Their meaningless life would be so much better if these deeply held beliefs were true, and they'd fall on the side of The Enlightened, which of course makes them superior to the non-believers, "Deniers," what-have-you.

The problem being, there's very little evidence either is true, and that becomes more and more obvious as time goes by. But they're way too deeply invested emotionally to allow actual facts to disrupt their belief system, because that would be admitting to being wrong...

which is pretty much the same thing as Devout Christian Guy.
Nice projection. You sound like Rush Limbaugh throwing stones in his glass house.
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NO! YOU'RE projecting!!!

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88 wrote:In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the building.

Later in the day, the Fire Commander ordered his firefighters out of the building and at 5:20 p.m. the building collapsed. No lives were lost at Seven World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.

As noted above, when Mr. Silverstein was recounting these events for a television documentary he stated, “I said, you know, we've had such terrible loss of life. Maybe the smartest thing to do is to pull it.” Mr. McQuillan has stated that by “it,” Mr. Silverstein meant the contingent of firefighters remaining in the building.



You know, he didn't say pull them, he said pull... it.

And immediately after saying that, he said, "And then we watched the building fall."


I understand that the FEMA report has a conclusion about the fall of building 7, but isn't it true that in the *OFFICIAL* 9/11 Commission Report, building 7 is not mentioned?

Doesn't that seem odd?

Just asking.
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And who would have thought that Tart would be the first to see the light

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Goddamn right he said "pull it"


And while we're all now down by the river receiving the healing flow...let's just cut the bullshit entirely....

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I'm just asking normal questions.

Of course that clip with Silverstein is only :28 seconds long, so...
Take that into consideration.
We don't see what else was said -- and what the larger context might be.


But I've always wondered how it is that a building the size of building 7 could fall (along with the others) on 9/11, and not show up in the *OFFICIAL* 9/11 Commission Report.

What is that?
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What is that?
Bullshit.
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Moving Sale wrote:You are not even trying, I hope. The engines are on the wings. They contain titanium. It doesn't disinigrate under those g forces.
Are you familiar with titanium and it's properties?

Yes, there is titanium in a jet engine. Lots of small, light pieces spinning at a high rate of speed. These will do nothing more than scratch a thick concrete wall. They would do little more than your tin foil hat hitting it at speed, which is something I would pay good money to watch.
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Then how come they said they found engine parts inside the building? How did they get there? 88 thinks they vaporized? :doh:
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What utter bullshit. How dare you pretend to believe a word of the NIST nonsense? The notion that hundreds of huge steel beams could be heated to such a degree? By what? What was this supposed seven hour fire burning? What is in an office building that would generate a sustained fire of a couple thousand degrees?

Here's a takedown of that fatuous nonsense..from an MIT engineer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8W-t57xnZg

and another..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuyZJl9YleY

and another..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFpbZ-aLDLY


And there's lot's more.

And yet there's nothing whatever to back up the assertions of the NIST report. No scientists or engineers. Oh..didn't you know that no scrutiny or review was undertaken as to the NIST report? That the WTC7 wasn't even mentioned in the official 9/11 Commission Report?

Wake the fuck up and stop being a cowardly little bitch.

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88 wrote:I said the lightweight materials disintegrated, which is different than vaporized. Vaporized means that they underwent a phase change from solid or liquid to gas. That didn't happen. The lightweight metal parts disintegrated into very small pieces. Kind of like what a bullet does when it strikes reinforced concrete. Some of the metal parts of the airplane that had more mass retained enough integrity to be recognizable after the impact.
The engines are not lightweight so they didn't disintegrate? Right? You are still stuck with how the engines got into the building if you are going with the engines didn't totally disintegrate. How did those large pieces get into the building? The hole is like 20 ft. wide and the engines are 80 ft apart and weigh 5 tons.
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Huh? Do you mean what difference does it make if the whole 9/11 attack was an elaborate inside job? And since not one single aspect of the official story stands up to any sort of scrutiny, this seems the probable case. What difference does it make? Well, none, if they get away with it. After all, the Permanent War is well underway, the Enemies of Our Freedom are properly vague and infinite. The massive military spending is splurging along, as well as the shredding of the constitution and bill of rights.

It matters that the truth comes out...

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LTS TRN 2 wrote:Do you mean what difference does it make if the whole 9/11 attack was an elaborate inside job?
once again, how would you control the thousands of people it would be necessary to silence if in fact it was an "inside job"?
the federal government can't keep a secret from within a highly controlled enviornment (the NSA) and yet you expect us to believe they could keep the thousands of people needed to pull something like this off silent?

seriously, what kind of an asshole watches 3,000 of his fellow citizens die then automatically goes to the "the govenrment did it" card?
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First, let's not call it "the government" when in fact we're dealing with an effective coup of the supposed government. As to how this admittedly vast and years-in-planning operation has been effective muzzled, let's bear in mind that it was never merely a colossal theft (though it was that as well), but an ideological cause. If you actually study the PNAC agenda, its members, their actions and positions of power during the event, you'll see a glaring pattern emerge. As to the structure of the cover-up, let's consider that this was organized and conducted in a pyramid fashion, with no one knowing what their immediate superior knew. And this goes right to the top--Cheney, Rumsfeld, Dov Zakheim (comptroller of the pentagon "Hey, where did $2.6 trillion go?") and a variety of Zionazi fuckstains who enjoy a complete unaccountability. Consider, Feliz, if such figures in power--then and now--could successfully muzzle any meaningful revelations as to the actual murder of JFK (and RFK), well, it's not such a stretch to see how they might manage this one. Consider in this regard the unrelenting Support The Troops messages and ceremonial functions that are now a standard part of any holiday or football game. What..are we in WWII? Consider too that the utterly fatuous official investigation--the 9/11 Commission--was completely hamstrung, hobbled, restrained and muzzled before releasing its ludicrous report. I notice that you can't offer any support of any aspect of the official story--and that's not surprising since none of it stands up to basic scrutiny. All you're holding onto, in fact, is the terrified notion that something so vile and criminal simply couldn't occur because of the sheer depravity involved. Well, wake the fuck up.
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Re: Confirmed: No Global Warming for 17 Years and 6 Months

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'Scuse, me b-juice, is this just your patented attempt at droll humor? I mean, it is amusing. Especially when you suggest all that he's done "for his country" (which of course is Israel, right? :wink:) Please, remind us of some of the highlights of Rabbi Zakheim's contributions.
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Re: Confirmed: No Global Warming for 17 Years and 6 Months

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LTS TRN 2 wrote:...Rabbi Zakheim's...
Does Zakheim's alleged criminality emanate from his Jewishness? Is that why you're adding the title of "rabbi" in your aside?
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Re: Confirmed: No Global Warming for 17 Years and 6 Months

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sounds to me like you need to serve up a mazeltov cocktail or three to a ceetain tin foil hat wearing anti-semite.
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Re: Confirmed: No Global Warming for 17 Years and 6 Months

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No, it's because he's actually a rabbi. And a dual citizen. Tell me you didn't know--and then i'll deduce that you really know nothing of the ex-comptroller of the pentagon who somehow lost $2.3 trillion dollars. And..you're similarly in dim unawareness that as a member of the pernicious PNAC, it was he who actually spelled out the need for "a New Pearl Harbor" in order to initiate the group's drastic agenda. Are you similarly clueless to the fact that as a barnacle in the hall of power over the past twenty-five years it was he who arranged for Israel to receive squads of F-15' and F-16s and other classified U.S. army surplus at a fraction of their value? His father was an Israeli terrorist in a nasty little group called Betar. In short, he was up to his eyeballs in the direct implementation of the New Pearl Harbor on 9/11--and should be hanged after being drawn and quartered. Or what?
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