Man, created in God's image

[poptart]

God created us in His image -- Genesis 1:27.

What is God's image?

John 4:24
God is a Spirit...

Deuteronomy 33:27
The eternal God is thy refuge...

Man, like God, is a spiritual and eternal being.


Prior to corruption through the event of Genesis 3, man was comfortably oriented spiritually, with God.
But as soon as we lost hold of God's Word and became captive to satan, we became physically oriented.

Genesis 3:7
And the eyes of them both were opened...

We see things with our eyes, and we desire things.
We seek to gratify our flesh.

Genesis 6:3
My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh...


Christ of course is the one way we can be restored and we can find rest. Matthew 11:28.
At that moment of belief in Christ, God's very Spirit enters a person and will never leave.

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth


There is a spiritual world, well beyond the tiresome flesh world we live in.
It is a tremendous thing.

Psalms 34:8
O taste and see that the Lord is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him.

Taste and see.
I promise you will never be sorry.

[Goober McTuber]

I think man created God in his own image.

[Dinsdale]

Pop... seriously dude, give it up. As men of logic, we have definitive, indisputable proof that man was absolutely NOT made in God's image.












































Do us all a favor, and don't try to spin this one, okay?

[poptart]

haha!

[poptart]

I am a missionary and an English teacher.

[Goober McTuber]

Missionary? That's not a bad position.

My dad was a Lutheran missionary. I spent my grade school years in New Guinea.

[poptart]

I was also dragged to a Lutheran Church as a boy.


I thought I might be coming back to the U.S. last November, but it didn't work out that way.
I'll probably be here at least another year.
Maybe 2 or more...

Not sure.

[Dinsdale]

Since when did "missionary" become a job (besides with Goob's Ol' Lady)?

[poptart]

Genesis 12:1-3
Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

[Goober McTuber]

Since when did "missionary" become a job (besides with Goob's Ol' Lady)?

[poptart]

God created man in His own image - and gave us all blessings and peace.

Genesis 1:27-28
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 2:19
And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Man left God and the void and darkness of Genesis 1:2 returned.
Death.
Chaos, such as we see surrounding us (and on us) today.


God gave the Gospel immediately.
Genesis 3:15.

Not the offspring of man.
It will be God Himself Who comes to you.


Take it and the fundamentals of Genesis 1:27-29, 2:9 are restored.

[poptart]

Daniel 7:24-27
And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

[poptart]

I don't cherry pick it because I believe all of it.

Just from a standpoint of being intellectually honest, one could look at prophecy fulfillment and take note that it is quite interesting.
For just one instance (of many, many), as I've noted, the man Jesus came directly through the VERY narrowed down family line that was predicted by numerous individuals writing hundreds of years before he was born.


- Moses "predicted" the Messiah would be of the seed of the woman (Genesis 3:15). The virgin birth.

- Moses predicted which of Noah's three sons the Messiah would come from. Shem (Genesis 9:26,27). 2/3 of humanity was eliminated.

- Moses predicted the Messiah would come from Abraham. (Genesis 12:1-3)

- Abraham had two sons, and Moses predicted which son the Messiah would come from. Isaac. (Genesis 26:3,4)

- Isaac had two sons and Moses predicted which son the Messiah would come from. Jacob. (Genesis 35:11,12)

- Jacob has 12 sons, and yet Moses predicted which son the Messiah would come from. Judah (Genesis 49:10)

- There were many family lines in the tribe of Judah, yet Isaiah predicted which one would produce the Messiah. Jesse. (Isaiah 11:1)

- Jesse had at least eight sons, yet Jeremiah predicted the Messiah would come through David. (Jeremiah 23:5)

- The Messiah's birth city (Bethlehem) was also predicted by Micah. (Micah 5:2)


Jesus came exactly this way.

We could take note of this, and if we are intellectually honest, realize that it is really VERY compelling.


Foolish and delusional?

[poptart]

I get that you want to believe. I get that you don't want to critically examine your own faith, for you have to realize that it can't withstand scrutiny, and that is something you don't want to deal with. So you accept fiction as fact.

I have always been willing to answer any question anyone in here wants to pose to me about the Bible, my belief, etc.


I'm curious.
Why do you scroll past (and apparently just wave off) what I posted about Jesus uniquely, completely, and incredibly fulfilling the lineage that was predicted for Him -- hundreds of years before He was born?

The claim is that He is the Christ, the Savior of mankind.
This evidence I cited supports the claim.

You could look at it.

[poptart]

But there isn't even any evidence that Jesus existed

I must ask at this point...

Are you really a lawyer?
Do you know what evidence is?
Do you honestly think there is no evidence that Jesus existed?

I can't imagine such a take is intended to be taken seriously.

Your "fulfilled prophecy" is fulfilled like horoscopes and fortune cookies

Of all the millions upon millions of possible family lines, the one which Jesus came through (as well as city of birth) was NAILED by the Prophets -- hundreds of years in advance.

"Horoscopes and fortune cookies" is your reply?

None, as in zero, contemporary writers of his day wrote about him. If a guy was going around the country performing miracles, don't you think that someone would have mentioned it?

They did.
We've discussed this before, so I will leave it alone.

Jesus, who clearly and repeatedly told his followers that he would be returning in their lifetimes.

He did not tell them He would return in their lifetimes.


- Luke 9:27
But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.

Read the rest of the chapter.
v. 27-36
The transfiguration incident. The Kingdom of God.
Peter, John, and James ("some standing here") saw the Kingdom of God before they tasted death.


- Matthew 24:34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Again, read the chapter.
v.3, the disciples asked what the signs would be for His 2nd coming.
He went on to tell of the signs - v.4-31.
Then at v.32, 33, He stops and speaks the fig tree parable, and how WHEN these things happen, it is near.
Speaking then of WHEN it is near, He says (v.34) "this generation shall not pass"...

"This generation" is speaking of the generation that sees the signs.


- 1 Peter 4:7
The end of all things is near.

Peter also writing...
- But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. -
2 Peter 3:8

Believers are always encouraged (in many passages) to sober, vigilant, and prepared for the 2nd coming.


- 1 Corinthians 7:27-31
Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.
But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.
But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none;
And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not;
And they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world passeth away.

This isn't saying anything about Jesus 2nd coming.

[Dinsdale]

None, as in zero, contemporary writers of his day wrote about him. If a guy was going around the country performing miracles, don't you think that someone would have mentioned it?

Matter of fact, there's no historical mention of Jesus in any writing until decades after his alleged death... which means after his alleged contemporaries would have died.

[Dinsdale]

Are you really a lawyer?
Do you know what evidence is?

EPIC fail.

Classic.

You DO know what "hearsay" is, right?

It's third-party testimony. And even if it happened yesterday, it's rarely admissible in court. Much less 2000 years ago, translated from a different language, then rewritten multiple times.

But let's say it is "evidence"? What corroboration is there?

That's right... absolutely NONE.


Go ahead and believe what you want to believe. But don't insult everyone by claiming to know of "evidence," which is merely perverting the word "evidence."

[poptart]

Among so many other things, we have... Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

If this is not admissible as evidence, I really have no idea what in the world you could be thinking about.

[Dinsdale]

Among so many other things, we have... Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

If this is not admissible as evidence...

And your corroboration is?

Backed by any other historical text from the time?

Oh, wait -- it was decades before any of the alleged figures you refer to were ever mentioned in any history book.

So, it's like "corroboration," except the exact opposite.

Again, hearsay isn't admissible as evidence.

[poptart]

And your corroboration is?

What we have are -- FOUR -- separate written accounts of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

These accounts were put together into one Book called the Bible -----> later.


http://www.patheos.com/blogs/standingon ... historical

Something to read through if you have interest.

[Dinsdale]

So, that's a "no" on corroboration?

And there is very strong evidence that the "books" you refer to were written long beyond any reasonable life expectancy than any contemporary of Jesus... which actually has a degree of "corroboration."

What else you got?

[poptart]

Four separate written accounts = no corroboration?
Four separate written accounts (along with so much more) = no evidence Jesus existed?

Oh well.

As always, people are free to think what they will about Gospel accounts -- but I would recommend you look at the link.
It addresses some things you have in mind.