Legal quandry, or maybe not

Roger_the_Shrubber · Post by **Roger_the_Shrubber** » Fri May 29, 2015 6:19 am

Having been in the 'business' for a short time with a badge, but years of running data and stats in criminal law, and all the reading, watching, studying and especially REALLY thinking about criminal law, from both sides, I have some questions for all, but especially lawyers about a few things. Moving Sale, etc. I really want your opinions. OK, in no particular order:

1. Defense attorney supplied for you.

Why are new arrestees told that if they can't afford a defense attorney one will be provided for you, but they forget to say that they will be charged per hour for even a public defender at the charges' disposition? Tacked onto court costs. Why hasn't Miranda been changed to tell people this?

2. Cops can lie.

Why is it legal for a cop, in questioning, to lie to an arrestee about what other people said, evidence found, etc., yet their word is literally 'law'? Anything you he/she says about your arrest, things you might have said, is BANG!...evidence. Your word - hearsay. The 12 year old kid in San Diego accused of killing his sister( they interrogated him for 14 hours i believe, without a lawyer and he signed a confession which was bullshit!), and in Jacksonville, Fla., the 15 year old kid charged with killing two German tourists, beaten into signing a confession after cops said someone identified him(a lie). I hate real bad guys too, but damn! Just cause you arrest someone doesn't make them guilty.

3. Drug fines etc. go to treatment cause one must pay for it himself.

The biggest reason I quit state law enforcement was because of the drug charges, and the fees that people on probation have to pay. They had to pay full amount for a 1 month treatment program. They can't afford THAT! I wrote the head of the DOC in Fla. telling him that all cost of supervision(now @ $50 a month, or more now) should go directly to Drug rehab programs, since they are paying in. Strange...never heard anything back. Why shouldn't these funds go to treating the people that need it?

4. Jury of peers is a joke. 85% morons

There should be a moderately difficult law /civics/non-moron test for potential jurors. Having served on 4 now, and with a lot of law involved jobs and education,.....85% of the people were absolute idiots. I mean, how did these people learn to tie their shoes? A jury of ones peers? You mean the 9 white people and 3 black? for a white defendant? Or 9 black and 3 white for a eskimo?(tried to throw ya there) Never mind about their IQ level or anything???? I had one 66 year old white woman that wanted to add on three....THREE!!! felony charges onto a black dude up for domestic violence. I was Foreman, and showed her the door. Judge replaced her with the alternate. Anyway...

5. Any child crimes is life without parole or death. Period.

I think that one of the worst things that can happen to any person(male or female) in the U.S. is being wrongfully accused of child molestation. I feel liars about such accusations should be penalized exactly the same as would happen to the people that actually committed those crimes. That said:

After attending a week training with the Florida Dept. of Law Enforcement in crimes against children training. 500 P&P officers, and they had a big screen setup for slide shows. Oh, and airline barf bags on all the tables. Now, I consider myself a Christian man, and in NO WAY perfect or with out sins(ya think?), but the things masquerading as humans that abuse children......in any form but especially sexual abuse......when you saw the ...things I saw, I want to kill every one of those non-human bastard pieces of filth!

No torture. Head meet bullet. Gonzo.

Just a rant, but intelligent responses accepted. I have no choice about the morons that respond with their usual razor wit.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri May 29, 2015 3:41 pm

Roger_the_Shrubber wrote:The biggest reason I quit state law enforcement was because of the drug charges.

Yes, abuse of prescription drugs is a crime. Were you surprised?

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Fri May 29, 2015 3:43 pm

Go back to sleep, stupid.

Roger_the_Shrubber · Post by **Roger_the_Shrubber** » Fri May 29, 2015 8:06 pm

I have no choice about the morons that respond with their usual razor wit.

The usual suspects.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Sat May 30, 2015 4:25 am

quandry

Prayers going out.

R-Jack · Post by **R-Jack** » Sat May 30, 2015 4:45 am

H4ever · Post by **H4ever** » Sat May 30, 2015 5:40 am

If deception leads to a confession... so be it. example: "Now your buddies have already told us what happened... do you want to give us your side of it now?" "Or do we let them describe your role in this without hearing your version?" hmmm? "And to be honest, they didn't give two shits about you and were only looking to save their own asses.... so here is your chance to tell us what really went down... unless you like being thrown under the bus" Now harping on a person for hours to wear them down to give a false confession is another story. There is a difference. Nobody is getting water-boarded here.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Sat May 30, 2015 6:19 am

Yes, Shrub, the cops lie--on every level..

Roger_the_Shrubber wrote: 2. Cops can lie.

Why is it legal for a cop, in questioning, to lie to an arrestee about what other people said, evidence found, etc., yet their word is literally 'law'? Anything you he/she says about your arrest, things you might have said, is BANG!...evidence. Your word - hearsay. The 12 year old kid in San Diego accused of killing his sister( they interrogated him for 14 hours i believe, without a lawyer and he signed a confession which was bullshit!), and in Jacksonville, Fla., the 15 year old kid charged with killing two German tourists, beaten into signing a confession after cops said someone identified him(a lie). I hate real bad guys too, but damn! Just cause you arrest (MURDER) someone doesn't make them guilty.

Notice how the official death photo (on the right) is an obvious fake, cheap slick mash-up

Experts agree...what's your excuse?

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Sun May 31, 2015 12:26 am

There never was any "official death photo," you cum-speckled fuck puppet.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Sun May 31, 2015 9:19 pm

"official" as far as what was released to the public. Just as with the video of the collapse of WTC7 (completely ignored in the 9/11 Commission report).

We notice you don't address the fact that the photo on the right was released--and is obviously a fake. We notice you don't actually attempt to explain any of the blatant holes in the "official" story, or for that matter to defend it. Your mewling comment in your "debate' was simply that you "hadn't heard anything" that would contradict, etc. Such squirming and evasive tripe is utterly shameless and hollow. Typical of you, in other words.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 1:27 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote:"official" as far as what was released to the public.

By whom? Certainly not the administration.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Mon Jun 01, 2015 2:58 pm

mvscal wrote:
LTS TRN 2 wrote:"official" as far as what was released to the public.
By whom? Certainly not the administration.

The Official Death Photo Committee.

Geez... where have you been?

Wakey Wakey Motherfucker.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 8:50 pm

mvscal wrote:
LTS TRN 2 wrote:"official" as far as what was released to the public.
By whom? Certainly not the administration.

The "official" photo as distributed by the muzzled and thoroughly controlled mainstream media. You know, the same mainstream institutions who have dutifully and unquestioningly accepted and forwarded the "official" story of 9/11 in the first place. The same ones who promoted the Popular Mechanics piece--but did not offer any of the massive and immediate refutation of that palsied fake propaganda vehicle.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Tue Jun 02, 2015 8:54 pm

It was all a massive hologram, Nikolai.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:02 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote:
mvscal wrote:
LTS TRN 2 wrote:"official" as far as what was released to the public.
By whom? Certainly not the administration.
The "official" photo as distributed by the muzzled and thoroughly controlled mainstream media. You know, the same mainstream institutions who have dutifully and unquestioningly accepted and forwarded the "official" story of 9/11 in the first place. The same ones who promoted the Popular Mechanics piece--but did not offer any of the massive and immediate refutation of that palsied fake propaganda vehicle.

Riiight.

While the "mainstream media" is by no means above reproach, you Nick are still babbling the same old tin-foil tinted rhetoric and "psycho"babble you always do without a single reputable source of information to back up your inanity.

The Popular Mechanics piece still stands. You've shown nothing to discredit it.

R-Jack · Post by **R-Jack** » Tue Jun 02, 2015 9:45 pm

Oh, the mainstream media released the death photo....

Pretty sure it would be a piece of cake for Frisco to link that up for us.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Tue Jun 02, 2015 11:49 pm

You guys were mean to hijack Roger's thread. Did we ever determine the legal quandriness of these various issues?

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:00 am

R-Jack wrote:Oh, the mainstream media released the death photo....

Pretty sure it would be a piece of cake for Frisco to link that up for us.

No problem

http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/world ... type=Image

As for the Popular Mechanics piece, there was immediately a broad curb stomping of this shameless propaganda bullshit from a variety of researchers..

here's a few..the researchers are a variety of engineers and similarly trained experts. Attempt to refute their observations if you think you can. Simply attempting to dismiss them out of hand of course is simply surrendering.

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=16171

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/gopm/indexg.html

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/gopm/indexg.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OumO4_e6KM8

R-Jack · Post by **R-Jack** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:24 am

LTS TRN 2 wrote:
R-Jack wrote:Oh, the mainstream media released the death photo....

Pretty sure it would be a piece of cake for Frisco to link that up for us.
No problem

http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/world ... type=Image

Hmmmm. No corpse photo there. Wanna try another one?

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:52 am

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:You guys were mean to hijack Roger's thread. Did we ever determine the legal quandriness of these various issues?

The biggest quandry I'm seeing right now, is the legal complexities involved in doing bodily harm to many of the players in this thread.

BTW -- I just noticed that we have an RTS and a LTS. Coincidence? I say y'all's should form your own opinions... not that you've exhibited any adeptness at it to date.

Roger_the_Shrubber · Post by **Roger_the_Shrubber** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 4:14 am

I just noticed that we have Dinsdale and people with an IQ below 80 in here. Coincidence?

And BTW, "y'all" is already plural shit head. A contraction of 'you' and 'all'. No 's' needed. But of course, you knew that. And the extra apostrophe at the end makes you just...precious.

Now, feel free to follow me around (like usual) when I have no interest in you at all. Kinda like the way your friends and family feel about ya. Or so I can guess, seeing how that they can't be more unintelligent as you. I could be wrong. You can't have any friends.

PS - Love ya buddy!

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:42 am

You're really working this "intellectual superiority" angle hard, aren't you?

Roger_the_Shrubber wrote:And BTW, "y'all" is already plural shit head. A contraction of 'you' and 'all'. No 's' needed. But of course, you knew that. And the extra apostrophe at the end makes you just...precious.

Since you want to go down that path, professor, the correct spelling is "quandary," dumbass. But I'm sure you knew that.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:14 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:But I'm sure you knew that.

Percocet_The_Shrubber was just testing you, bro.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:26 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote:
R-Jack wrote:Oh, the mainstream media released the death photo....

Pretty sure it would be a piece of cake for Frisco to link that up for us.
No problem

http://abcnews.go.com/topics/news/world ... type=Image

As for the Popular Mechanics piece, there was immediately a broad curb stomping of this shameless propaganda bullshit from a variety of researchers..

here's a few..the researchers are a variety of engineers and similarly trained experts. Attempt to refute their observations if you think you can. Simply attempting to dismiss them out of hand of course is simply surrendering.

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=16171

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/gopm/indexg.html

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/gopm/indexg.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OumO4_e6KM8

Ever notice how all of the websites Nicky links to look like they were put together by some ADHD meth freak?

FLAKEY FLAKEY

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:43 pm

Shlomart Ben Yisrael wrote:
MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:But I'm sure you knew that.

Percocet_The_Shrubber was just testing you, bro.

I figured shrubber was more of a klonopin-addled fucktard.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 5:53 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:

Ever notice how all of the websites Nicky links to look like they were put together by some ADHD meth freak?

FLAKEY FLAKEY

Absolute bullshit.

Check this out..
http://www1.ae911truth.org/faqs/676-deb ... anics.html

It's as professionally designed as any other site. And more to the point its sources are actual experts. And you can't refute any of it. What, are you ten years-old?

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 5:59 pm

Style over substance.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:03 pm

No, it's the substance that's right there--and which you can't begin to refute.

Same as here

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/gopm/indexg.html

Where do you get off dismissing an engineer who has carefully made his case? Who the fuck are you?

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:08 pm

Goober McTuber wrote: FLAKEY FLAKEY

nice

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 6:11 pm

Hey Slappy, your boy Jim Hoffman is a "website engineer".

You do understand the difference, don't you?

Of course you don't.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:12 pm

You tedious ankle biters are pathetic. The Architects and Engineers For truth site is comprised of experts in the respective fields. And you can't refute any of their findings. The PM debunking site (provided by Jim Hoffman) cites many similar experts. Hoffman is simply compiling them. Who do you suppose the "experts" were that PM relied on? A few paid shills--very similar to the whored-out "expert" Climate Change deniers.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:14 pm

Shlomart Ben Yisrael wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote: FLAKEY FLAKEY

nice

And you, you door-stop, what's "flakey" about architects and engineers calling bullshit on an obvious false "official" government narrative? Is this what you call "ribbed" humor? Are you really so dull?

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:29 pm

So the answer to the question was indeed, no. You don't understand.

Sleepy sleep.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:31 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:Ever notice how all of the websites Nicky links to look like they were put together by some ADHD meth freak?

Most of Nicky's links are loaded with spyware and viruses. You're one or two clicks away from being redirected to some donkey porn website. I wouldn't touch them unless your machine is operating under a full fortress of protection.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:35 pm

Absolute bullshit. There's nothing whatever like malware on any of the sites. Why are you so scared to acknowledge that your beloved government lied to you? Why are you scared to face the truth?

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:40 pm

So..."donkey porn" then?

ewwww

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:46 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:You're one or two clicks away from being redirected to some donkey porn website.

Also, the copy of Donk Blaster that came installed on my laptop ran out because it was only the "trial version".
Would you say that the $19.95 yearly subscription to Donk Blaster Pro is worth it? It doesn't come bundled with other crap-ware that I don't want, does it?

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:47 pm

...and does Donk Blaster Pro have a Mac version? Wolfman wants to know. TIA.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:03 pm

Donk Blaster Pro 5.0 is definitely worth it. But make sure you get the "9/11 Truther"extension for an extra $4.95.

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:09 pm

Could you hook up a bruthah with a cracked version? A torrent link maybe?