Sandy Bland

[smackaholic]

What do you dickslaps think about this case?

Should it be turned into something racial as the race pimps want?

I don't think so. I do think the cop gave a textbook demonstration on how to not handle a situation where the person being pulled over develops a bit of an attitude because they are pissed off that they've been pulled over. Does a cop have the right to demand someone put out their smoke, in their own fukking car? I don't think so. I think he has the right to ask her to. And she has the right to tell him to fukk the fukk off.

I was just watching a clip on fb by some interweb pundit, the "young turk" he brings up good points about how there are a-hole cops that will punish you for insufficient groveling. I am a fairly pragmatic person, so if I think it is in my best interest, I will grovel my arse off. This chick didn't. See simply answered his question about why she seemed pissed. So the cop, who up to that point was very polite went straight to the jackboot thug card.

This asshole should not be a cop ever again. Unarmed mall rentacop is about as high up the cop foodchain as this dweeb should be. Right along side Barney Fife from Ohio.

[Diego in Seattle]

Jack booted thugs killed her!!!

-moving fail & mvwhippedhusband

[Roger_the_Shrubber]

Here is a frightening bit of 'info', and I doubt it has improved. Yes, a nationwide assumption is not scientific, but, here is what I know.

In 1989, in Martin County Florida, the average education of the police, sheriffs, and highway patrol, was:

Ready?



Less than High School.

Yep, your average local badge has a GED....maybe.

I am quoting a probable cause on an arrest affidavit written by a 23 year veteran of said community, for an arrest for Fl. Stat. 893.13 - Possession of Controlled Substance, and again, it's a quote:

"I stop subject. he had drug. I arrest."

I am NOT making that up, and the judge called me in front of the bench to tear me a new one(which, trust me...they CAN!!!!!) and asked me if I thought that was funny. Rectum tight enough to make coal into diamonds, I said,"You Honor. You are a very handsome man, and the envy of all males on the planet as well as..OK, not really, but I WOULD have. I said, "Your Honor, I quoted verbatim from the arrest affidavit and probable cause." He found it, had the bailiff order the officer in question to appear immediately, and after finding out that he could barely write, let alone read, had the officer suspended, and put him in weekend in County for 4 weekends.

That being said, don't say anything to the cops if stopped, ever. Give ID, etc. Then zip your lip. No 'yes' or 'no'. Squat. All you will be doing is giving evidence against yourself. Re-read the 5th Amendment. It's well written, but not real understood.

Now...thank GOD, God and god there are cops, and some really really good ones. It's the other 90% one has to consider.

[Diego in Seattle]

Here is a frightening bit of 'info', and I doubt it has improved. Yes, a nationwide assumption is not scientific, but, here is what I know.

In 1989, in Martin County Florida, the average education of the police, sheriffs, and highway patrol, was:

Ready?



Less than High School.

Yep, your average local badge has a GED....maybe.

I am quoting a probable cause on an arrest affidavit written by a 23 year veteran of said community, for an arrest for Fl. Stat. 893.13 - Possession of Controlled Substance, and again, it's a quote:

"I stop subject. he had drug. I arrest."

I am NOT making that up, and the judge called me in front of the bench to tear me a new one(which, trust me...they CAN!!!!!) and asked me if I thought that was funny. Rectum tight enough to make coal into diamonds, I said,"You Honor. You are a very handsome man, and the envy of all males on the planet as well as..OK, not really, but I WOULD have. I said, "Your Honor, I quoted verbatim from the arrest affidavit and probable cause." He found it, had the bailiff order the officer in question to appear immediately, and after finding out that he could barely write, let alone read, had the officer suspended, and put him in weekend in County for 4 weekends.

That being said, don't say anything to the cops if stopped, ever. Give ID, etc. Then zip your lip. No 'yes' or 'no'. Squat. All you will be doing is giving evidence against yourself. Re-read the 5th Amendment. It's well written, but not real understood.

Now...thank GOD, God and god there are cops, and some really really good ones. It's the other 90% one has to consider.

Someone's off their meds....or taken too many of them.

[smackaholic]

Someone's off their meds....or taken too many of them.

My guess is a little of both. Prolly not taking the right ones and too many of the wrong.

This has nothing to do with how educated cops were 25 years ago.

It has nothing to do with the 5th amendment.

It is about a jack-booted thug who got annoyed because of someone's attitude.

The last time I checked, it was legal to be pissed that you got pulled over. I also believe that it is legal to smoke a cigarette in one's own vehicle.

[mvscal]

I do think the cop gave a textbook demonstration on how to not handle a situation

Hmmm. I think I'm beginning to detect a pattern.

For some unfathomable reason, poorly trained, low-grade morons juiced to the tits on steroids and their own perceived authoritah can't seem to make a routine traffic stop without it turning into some kind of life and death drama.

The little piggy in this drama should be stood against a wall and shot.

[smackaholic]

I do think the cop gave a textbook demonstration on how to not handle a situation

Hmmm. I think I'm beginning to detect a pattern.

For some unfathomable reason, poorly trained, low-grade morons juiced to the tits on steroids and their own perceived authoritah can't seem to make a routine traffic stop without it turning into some kind of life and death drama.

The little piggy in this drama should be stood against a wall and shot.

Yeah, the whole attitude of I am the cop and you will fukking grovel or else, thing is getting really fukking old.

I get that cops may be influenced in their level of infraction writing based on their interaction with their "customer", but they have no fukking right to tell them they can't do something which is legal and irrelevant. Don't like that she's smoking? Too fukking bad. She is in her car with her fukking smokes. If she were in his cruiser, he would have right to tell her she can't light up.

Wanna see how to do it right? This cop is awesome. His extreme level of calm just gets the crazy fukk to melt ever harder.

[BSmack]

If the state in question has a workplace clean air act, the cop may well be within his rights to ask her to put out the cancer stick.

[mvscal]

If the state in question has a workplace clean air act, the cop may well be within his rights to ask her to put out the cancer stick.

[poptart]

Too bad mvscal captured that gem and posted it before you came to your senses and deleted it, B.

People can post on message boards until 2065 and nobody will ever come across a more wack-a-doodle take than that one.


bwaaaa...

[Diego in Seattle]

mvsidiot's response was just as predicted.

If you're going to judge the traffic stop, try watching the video, numbnuts. If Officer Encinia was "juiced to the tits with steroids" he sure wasn't getting his money's worth. While he didn't look like he spent his days filling his piehole with donuts, he certainly didn't look like a gym rat.

While some might argue that the officer has a right to a smoke-free work environment, that's a secondary issue here. The primary issue is officer safety. An officer stays alive by being aware of what's going on at all times with the subject(s) in front of him/her as well as the immediate surrounding area. If a driver flicks a cancer stick into an officer's eyes it would, at minimum, be extremely distracting. If while the officer was leaning over to talk to the driver flicked their cigarette down the officer's shirt the officer would be consumed with the cigarette rather than what the driver, passengers (if any), and surrounding persons were doing. So the officer was making a legal request & then order when he told her to put out the cigarette.

And why would she need to smoke during a relatively short incident? Keep in mind that marijuana was found in her system. She very likely could have been smoking a cigarette in an attempt to mask any marijuana odor.

Officer Encinia used a pleasant tone of voice during the first portion of the stop. It was only when Bland started spazing out that Encinia started raising his voice (in an attempt to be heard). He did sound irritated, but he was still justified at yelling at her because she wasn't listening.

Finally (and most importantly), there was nothing in that video to indicate that Encinia had anything to do with her death. In fact, after she struggled with being cuffed she was seen by two EMS guys. The fact that they didn't cart her off is indicative that either she refused to be treated or that she was judged to be w/o injury. So I don't think any of you can present an argument that the officer had anything to do with her death.

[mvscal]

The primary issue is officer safety.

That isn't even a tertiary issue. The primary issue is the police officer conducting himself in a restrained and professional manner. Period. Full Stop

[Diego in Seattle]

The primary issue is officer safety.

That isn't even a tertiary issue. The primary issue is the police officer conducting himself in a restrained and professional manner. Period. Full Stop

Which he was doing. Period. Full Stop

Bland was being uncooperative & refusing to obey a lawful order from a peace officer. Period. Full Stop

[mvscal]

Which he was doing doing.

Yeah, uh no.

[Diego in Seattle]

Which he was doing doing.

Yeah, uh no.

Care to explain how he wasn't restrained & professional, slappy?

[Rooster]

Here's the thing: She was going to only get a warning. No fine, no points, no auto repair shop. Nothing. Instead she gets an attitude and kills herself in jail.
That's just stupid.
Be polite and compliant when a cop pulls you over if you have trouble obeying traffic laws and more often than not, you will be issued a warning. Full stop, end of story, all lives matter.

[Diego in Seattle]

Here's the thing: She was going to only get a warning. No fine, no points, no auto repair shop. Nothing. Instead she gets an attitude and kills herself in jail.
That's just stupid.
Be polite and compliant when a cop pulls you over if you have trouble obeying traffic laws and more often than not, you will be issued a warning. Full stop, end of story, all lives matter.

^^^^This.

I'm sure some will say that he never would have given a warning, but the dash cam video starts out near the end of the previous stop where he gave the driver a warning. She talked her way into being arrested.

[R-Jack]

I'll leave the human rights issues to the experts like the fist shaking tea-baggers and union dong slurpers on this board and just say not being a cunt decreases your chances of being arrested and found dead in your cell exponentially.

[BSmack]

If the state in question has a workplace clean air act, the cop may well be within his rights to ask her to put out the cancer stick.

So you dispute that workplace clean air rules apply to cops? Why should they have to breathe in 2nd hand smoke?

[smackaholic]

mvsidiot's response was just as predicted.

If you're going to judge the traffic stop, try watching the video, numbnuts. If Officer Encinia was "juiced to the tits with steroids" he sure wasn't getting his money's worth. While he didn't look like he spent his days filling his piehole with donuts, he certainly didn't look like a gym rat.

While some might argue that the officer has a right to a smoke-free work environment, that's a secondary issue here. The primary issue is officer safety. An officer stays alive by being aware of what's going on at all times with the subject(s) in front of him/her as well as the immediate surrounding area. If a driver flicks a cancer stick into an officer's eyes it would, at minimum, be extremely distracting. If while the officer was leaning over to talk to the driver flicked their cigarette down the officer's shirt the officer would be consumed with the cigarette rather than what the driver, passengers (if any), and surrounding persons were doing. So the officer was making a legal request & then order when he told her to put out the cigarette.

And why would she need to smoke during a relatively short incident? Keep in mind that marijuana was found in her system. She very likely could have been smoking a cigarette in an attempt to mask any marijuana odor.

Officer Encinia used a pleasant tone of voice during the first portion of the stop. It was only when Bland started spazing out that Encinia started raising his voice (in an attempt to be heard). He did sound irritated, but he was still justified at yelling at her because she wasn't listening.

Finally (and most importantly), there was nothing in that video to indicate that Encinia had anything to do with her death. In fact, after she struggled with being cuffed she was seen by two EMS guys. The fact that they didn't cart her off is indicative that either she refused to be treated or that she was judged to be w/o injury. So I don't think any of you can present an argument that the officer had anything to do with her death.

Using your fukked up reasoning, a cop would have the right to have any traffic stop spread eagle, face down, handcuffed behind the back to "have control" of the situation.

At no point did she indicate that she might be a threat. She was simply pissed off and a little mouthy. That is to be expected when one is about to have money taken.

And please save the workplace smoke free environment bullshit. He was not in the fuking car with her. If she was blowing smoke directly at him, he'd have a case. She wasn't, as best I can tell. As mvs said, she was guilty only of not respecting his authoritah with enough vigor.

[Screw_Michigan]

And why would she need to smoke during a relatively short incident? Keep in mind that marijuana was found in her system. She very likely could have been smoking a cigarette in an attempt to mask any marijuana odor.

Wow, that is one incredibly stupid statement.

[mvscal]

So you dispute that workplace clean air rules apply to cops?

Sure...at the station.

[BSmack]

So you dispute that workplace clean air rules apply to cops?

Sure...at the station.

And in the squad car and other situations that fall under normal work duties. Like say a traffic stop.

[mvscal]

Squad car, sure, but my vehicle is most certainly not Officer Roid McTwitchy's work space by even the most tortured deconstruction of the term.

[R-Jack]

So you dispute that workplace clean air rules apply to cops?

Sure...at the station.

And in the squad car and other situations that fall under normal work duties. Like say a traffic stop.

So it's cool for someone to arbitrarily decide your personal space is their work space?

I said I was staying out of this, but mother of fuck.......really?

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

If my dad was a cop when I was growing up, I'd probably lie to my friends and tell them he was a dish-washer.

"Marty, is it true your dad is a cop?"

"Fuck you, motherfucker! My dad scrapes plates and cleans out the grease trap at the IHOP...TAKE THAT BACK, YOU ASSHOLE!"

[Derron]

Here is a frightening bit of 'info', and I doubt it has improved. Yes, a nationwide assumption is not scientific, but, here is what I know.

In 1989, in Martin County Florida, the average education of the police, sheriffs, and highway patrol, was:

Ready?

And also in 1989 you probably had a job, regular pussy, did not smoke dope and your dick still got hard.

Amazing how things change how things can change so fast ??

[Derron]

The primary issue is officer safety. An officer stays alive by being aware of what's going on at all times with the subject(s) in front of him/her as well as the immediate surrounding area. If a driver flicks a cancer stick into an officer's eyes it would, at minimum, be extremely distracting. If while the officer was leaning over to talk to the driver flicked their cigarette down the officer's shirt the officer would be consumed with the cigarette rather than what the driver, passengers (if any), and surrounding persons were doing. So the officer was making a legal request & then order when he told her to put out the cigarette.

But it is much more fun to make this a smoke free work environment issue than what it is really about. How else can we watch B drop the ultimate smack line on liberal nanny state government bullshit reg's about smoke free work areas outside and then the usual's pile on ??

[Diego in Seattle]

If my dad was a cop when I was growing up, I'd probably lie to my friends and tell them he was a dish-washer.

"Marty, is it true your dad is a cop?"

"Fuck you, motherfucker! My dad scrapes plates and cleans out the grease trap at the IHOP...TAKE THAT BACK, YOU ASSHOLE!"

Trust me, a lot of cops instruct their children these days to say stuff exactly like that.

[mvscal]

If my dad was a cop when I was growing up, I'd probably lie to my friends and tell them he was a dish-washer.

"Marty, is it true your dad is a cop?"

"Fuck you, motherfucker! My dad scrapes plates and cleans out the grease trap at the IHOP...TAKE THAT BACK, YOU ASSHOLE!"

Trust me, a lot of cops instruct their children these days to say stuff exactly like that.

I can't say that I'm particularly surprised by your familiarity with the "stuff" that cops' children say. I take it that is before you silence them with a dirty sock and fuck them up the ass, yes?

[Diego in Seattle]

If my dad was a cop when I was growing up, I'd probably lie to my friends and tell them he was a dish-washer.

"Marty, is it true your dad is a cop?"

"Fuck you, motherfucker! My dad scrapes plates and cleans out the grease trap at the IHOP...TAKE THAT BACK, YOU ASSHOLE!"

Trust me, a lot of cops instruct their children these days to say stuff exactly like that.

I can't say that I'm particularly surprised by your familiarity with the "stuff" that cops' children say. I take it that is before you silence them with a dirty sock and fuck them up the ass, yes?

Is the reason that you're never in chat is that your wife spends an extra long time beating you? Are your sessions spent entirely on a rack, or does she also tie you up somewhere else in the house?

[smackaholic]

Here's the thing: She was going to only get a warning. No fine, no points, no auto repair shop. Nothing. Instead she gets an attitude and kills herself in jail.
That's just stupid.
Be polite and compliant when a cop pulls you over if you have trouble obeying traffic laws and more often than not, you will be issued a warning. Full stop, end of story, all lives matter.

I agree with everything you just said and is how I handle being stopped by the popo.

But, so fukking what. She has the right to not grovel. She did not assault him in any way. He had the right to turn up the penalty meter a notch when she got cunty, but, he had no right to make her put out her smoke. i am tired of the "Lawful order" bullshit card he went to. She wasn't harminganything beyond her own fukking lungs. Let her puff away.