Christians among us...

[poptart]

Take your time and read the Scriptures within this post.


God does not, and can not lie. Titus 1:2 and Hebrews 6:18, among others.
And we can see what the value of His Word is.

Isaiah 40:5-8
[5] And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
[6] The voice said, Cry. And he said, What shall I cry? All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field:
[7] The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: because the spirit of the LORD bloweth upon it: surely the people is grass.
[8] The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.


God's Word very clearly and plainly tells us in many places that He established the earth such that it can not move, and never will move.

Psalms 104:5
Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

1 Samuel 2:8, Job 38:4-6, Psalms 93:1, 1 Chronicles 16:30, and others.

The earth DOES NOT ROTATE, and it DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND THE SUN.


God made a firmament which covers the earth - and called it Heaven.
Genesis 1:6-8
Think about this.

Within the firmament God placed the sun, moon and stars.
Genesis 1:14-18

God placed waters above this firmament.
Yes, there are waters above the sun, moon, and stars.
Think.
The waters were still there at the time that God inspired His Word through King (and Prophet) David.
Psalms 148:4.

The firmament is not space.
It is a tangible thing.
Job 37:18
- The sky is strong and is as a molten looking glass -


There is a tangible firmament above the earth, where God has placed the sun, moon and stars for us. With water above that firmament.
A dome, if you will, with water above it.
Isaiah 40:22


Read the following passages and decide if they describe a "flat" earth or a ball earth.
Daniel 4:10-11, Matthew 4:8, Revelation 1:7, Isaiah 40:22.

Heavens as a curtain, a tent over the earth. A dome, with God sitting atop the circle.





God utterly destroyed the words, idols, thinking, greatness, and systems of Egypt - by the blood of the Lamb.

If you place your roots in the words of people or their systems, you will continue to be at a very big loss.
They have established corrupt systems, corrupt "knowledge," and they worship a god(s) of their imagination.
They are fools.

All that they have lied about -- their system and their establishments, will be destroyed.
In devastating and comprehensive fashion.

2 Thessalonian 2:7-12
[7] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
[8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
[9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
[12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.



All will go bye-bye, but God's Word endures eternally. Isaiah 40:8.
Jesus Christ IS the Word.
John 1:1,14

[smackaholic]

Ahhh fukkkk it! I'm tapping out.

your batshit craziness has runned me.

rack you.

[poptart]

Christians among us...



The thread is not for you, and I solicited no thought or comment from you.

[Goober McTuber]

The earth DOES NOT ROTATE, and it DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND THE SUN.

Hey, pops, Matthew chapter 7, verse 6.

[poptart]

Consider the Pope

I have.

I've posted Scripture in this thread as THE basis for saying what I am saying.
I have no idea what Scriptural basis the "Holy Father" (rotf...) was using to make his determinations.

[mvscal]

God does not, and can not lie.

Neither does Santa Claus.

[Mikey]

T.R.O.T.S. is among us.

[Jay in Phoenix]

[poptart]

your interpretation of Scripture is flawed

Oh, by all means, start posting the Scripture which refutes any point in my original post.

[poptart]

You saying the things that you have causes people to dismiss you as a fool. And that hurts your real message, which is simply dismissed as well.

Yes, sure, because we know how well you responded to the Gospel message in all the years before anything was ever said about the shape of the earth, etc.
lol

You are THE biggest liar and hypocrite on the board.

[Jay in Phoenix]

Watch it there Jsc, once you have the judgmental taint o' tart on you, well that stench is a bitch to scrub off.

Tomato soup and vinegar baths, is what I am told.

That, or a pine scented air freshener. The kind you can hang from your flat, plastic Jesus.

Ahh, you can smell the sweet piney goodness of redemption.

[poptart]

The thread is for Christians.
And it's to discuss what the Bible says about the nature of the earth, etc.

You two are very desperate and very frightened.

[Jay in Phoenix]

This thread is for whoever choses to respond.

Deal with it.

Or just quit.

Again.

[poptart]

Psalms 96:10
Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.



The earth is not whizzing through space. lol
It is not moving.
It is not rotating.
The sun, moon and stars move around the earth, just as we observe and just as the Word of our God tells us.





God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

[Jay in Phoenix]

Psalms 96:10





God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Indeed, He called it the Bible.

Glad you're finally on board.

Welcome to the real, round world brother poptart.

You are forgiven.

[poptart]

Through pride, you cannot see that your interpretation of the Scripture is flawed

If you (and the pope) say I am misinterpreting the Scripture, then by all means, post Scripture.

Show me how God's Word speaks contrary to what I've posted.

[Jay in Phoenix]

Actually poptart, to break character for just a moment, there is a very important point that Jsc is bringing up.

To whit, the Bible has been translated and retranslated dozens of times, for political and spiritual excuses reasons.

So which version is the true "Word of God" version. Also, what makes the version of the Book you adhere to better or more true than all the rest.

When did God specify this exact copy.

Please specify this in exact scripture. Show us where He prefers King James, Old Testament, New Testament or any of the other variants out there. It might help Metatron get things straight,

[poptart]

As you know, the Bible wasn't written in English, it was copied by hand and translated many times over hundreds of years. With that, as well as your interpretation, it is safe to say that your conclusions are not identical with the original Word of God

I've posted 20 passages of Scripture in this thread and have asserted that through these passages (and MANY others, btw), we can clearly see that...

- God can not lie
- His Word will stand forever
- He established the earth so that it can not and will not move, ever
- He created the firmament, and placed the sun, moon and stars within this firmament
- He placed waters above the firmament - above the sun, moon and stars
- The firmament is a tangible thing
- Earth is referenced such that it seems to be "flat"
- The evil one will come and deceive those who choose unrighteousness -- and God Himself will send them a strong delusion, so that they may believe a lie
- Jesus Christ IS the Word of God



Now you're selling that due to "translation issues," we have a misunderstanding -- and all of this information which has been given to us should be reversed?

Pardon me...


bwaaaa...

[poptart]

No, Jay, not here.

You and Jsc want to divert and try to muddy the waters.
It is a desperation tactic, and I understand your need to do this.
No sale.

We won't be addressing your questions here.
I'm speaking in this thread about the issues I laid out in my first post.

Start a different thread, or ask me those things another time.

[Goober McTuber]

Whackjob or troll? My money's still on troll. If 'tart was really as totally unhinged as he's been pretending to be this week, he would have gone off the rails years ago.

[poptart]

Gobbler, this thread was not started to talk about whether or not science and tech has disproved flat earth, moving earth, firmament, etc.

It was started so that I could post what THE BIBLE says about these matters.

You grew up in the Church, I think.
So you're familiar with the Bible to some extent.

If you think THE BIBLE tells us something different than what I put up in my first post in this thread, go ahead and post the Scriptures.
I'll be glad to look at them.

misinterpretation is what you're doing with this flat and still earth nonsense.

There is no misinterpretation, Jsc.

God's Word says what it says.
Maybe you've noticed that nobody has yet posted anything FROM SCRIPTURE to refute what I've said.

So-called "science" has a long history of wavering and changing course.

My conclusion is that God's Word is the authority -- and that conclusion is not based on whim.

God is my God.
NASA and "science" are not.
Their lies are overwhelming evident, imo, and the integrity of God's Word stands firm.

[poptart]

haha

Yes, I did note that in my thread at ,net.

[mvscal]

God is my God.
NASA and "science" are not.
Their lies are overwhelming evident, imo, and the integrity of God's Word stands firm.

The first Christians knew and understood that the world was round nor did they reject science. What the fuck is your malfunction?

[Goober McTuber]

Gobbler, this thread was not started to talk about whether or not science and tech has disproved flat earth, moving earth, firmament, etc.

It was started so that I could post what THE BIBLE says about these matters.

You grew up in the Church, I think.
So you're familiar with the Bible to some extent.

If you think THE BIBLE tells us something different than what I put up in my first post in this thread, go ahead and post the Scriptures.
I'll be glad to look at them.

You are trying to spin a document that has been translated numerous times, into factual support for your flat earth troll job. I am not a buyer.

[poptart]

You keep avoiding the issue.

Not at all.

This thread is not for the science angle.
It's to talk about what the Bible says.

If you want to talk more about the science angle, take it to the Rod of God thread and ask me.
It's 7 pages long and I've answered an avalanche of questions and protests there.
I've not avoided anything and have done the best I can to explain my position.

The first Christians knew and understood that the world was round nor did they reject science. What the fuck is your malfunction?

There is no Biblical reference at all which tells us that the early church members went around talking about the shape of the earth.
We're told that they went around proclaiming that Jesus is the Christ.
Likewise, when I go about my daily life, and go into the dying fields, I never speak about the shape off the earth to anyone.
lol
I give them their Life answer.
You people here have heard the Life answer from me for many years now, and some here have come to Live because of it.
This topic came up, so I'm certainly not afraid at all to speak about it.

You are trying to spin a document that has been translated numerous times, into factual support for your flat earth troll job. I am not a buyer.

This is the same silly take Jsc posted.
Scroll back about halfway up the page and you can see how I responded to him about it.

[Goober McTuber]

You're asking for scripture which refutes your interpretation of scripture. Which you will then undoubtedly misinterpret.

[Goober McTuber]

I'm not reading all of that.

[poptart]

I'm pointing out that what the Bible says and your interpretation of what it says are not the same,

Then tell me what the Bible says.
That's what this thread is for.

Tell me what the Bible says about the earth moving or not.
About the firmament.
About it's shape.

I've posted plenty of Scripture to show you what I base my conclusions on.


Unless you can do this, I rest my case.

I am NOT misinterpreting what the Word says.

The Word just does not match with what other sources (you, people, NASA, "science," media, etc). are saying about these things.

[Jay in Phoenix]

Point one: By your own admission, the Bible says nothing about flat Earth, so why belabor the point?

Point two: as such, your opinion is neither right or wrong, it is just opinion, rendering it meaningless in light of provable fact.

Point three: You have posted plenty of scripture, though you have failed miserably to tie it into relevant context or import as to your flat Earth mythology.

Point four: Your interpretation is just that. A close minded interpretation based on sources without science, fact or photographic evidence. it is simply what you feverishly want it to be, nothing more.

Point five: The Word doesn't match any aspect of your flat Earth argument. The Word(s) of all faiths have been abused and misunderstood since the beginning. That you read and understand or misunderstand them the way you do, simply makes you one in a billion of other folks, grasping at straws, hoping they hold up to a little breeze of scrutiny.

Straw arguments, like structures, collapse under a breath. As you are running on fumes, you may want to save your last one.

[Dinsdale]

the Bible says nothing about flat Earth

He just hasn't hit the right parts yet.

It actually says it's square, which would lead one to conclude that it's also flat.

[poptart]

Point one: By your own admission, the Bible says nothing about flat Earth, so why belabor the point?

Your first point is off base, Jay.

Read the following passages and decide if they describe a "flat" earth or a ball earth.
Daniel 4:10-11, Matthew 4:8, Revelation 1:7, Isaiah 40:22.

Heavens as a curtain, a tent over the earth. A dome, with God sitting atop the circle.



- Earth is referenced such that it seems to be "flat"

Did you read the Scriptures there?

Each passage gives us imagery which aligns with the earth being "flat."
Certainly not a round ball.

[poptart]

Your points 2, 3 and 4 are similarly dismissed by what I just posted -- and are just your own mutterings.

Point four: Your interpretation is just that. A close minded interpretation based on sources without science

I somehow have had to tell you over and over that this thread is not FOR science.
It's for God's Word.

I've invited Jsc multiple times to post Scripture which shows that my Biblical interpretation is off -- and he's failed.
He just mutters, as you do.

Point five: The Word doesn't match any aspect of your flat Earth argument.

Good grief.

THEN POST THE SCRIPTURE which refutes my conclusions.

As I said, I've posted 20 passages (and there are many more) which tell us these things...

- God can not lie
- His Word will stand forever
- He established the earth so that it can not and will not move, ever
- He created the firmament, and placed the sun, moon and stars within this firmament
- He placed waters above the firmament - above the sun, moon and stars
- The firmament is a tangible thing
- Earth is referenced such that it seems to be "flat"
- The evil one will come and deceive those who choose unrighteousness -- and God Himself will send them a strong delusion, so that they may believe a lie
- Jesus Christ IS the Word of God

If I've misinterpreted Scripture, please correct me.
Show me Scripture which refutes my assertions.

[poptart]

Joshua 10:13
And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.


Ecclesiastes 1:5
The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.



The sun moves, not the earth.

[poptart]

God created the earth on day 1 -- and created light for it.
He created the sun on day 4.

If the earth is supposedly revolving around the sun, what was the earth orbiting for 3 days before God created the sun?


Genesis 1 clearly describes an order where the earth is stationary and the other objects move around it.

[poptart]

Deuteronomy 28:64
And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other


From one end to the other, not one side of the globe to the other.
The visual clearly lends itself to the earth being flat.

See also Deuteronomy 28:49 for something nearly identical.

[Goober McTuber]

The sun moves, not the earth.

[Jay in Phoenix]

Point one: By your own admission, the Bible says nothing about flat Earth, so why belabor the point?

Your first point is off base, Jay.



Read the following passages and decide if they describe a "flat" earth or a ball earth.
Daniel 4:10-11, Matthew 4:8, Revelation 1:7, Isaiah 40:22.

Heavens as a curtain, a tent over the earth. A dome, with God sitting atop the circle.

How you read that and come to a flat planet is proof positive of your own biased and flawed interpretations. It speaks of God sitting on top of a circle (that's gotta be uncomfortable), with the heavens being both a curtain and a tent. Really? Last time I checked a curtain and a tent are two very different things. As is a dome, so which is it?

How you arrive at a description of a flat Earth, goes to explaining a he'll of a lot about your rather curious perspective.

Did you read the Scriptures there?

Each passage gives us imagery which aligns with the earth being "flat."
Certainly not a round ball.

No, they don't, as shown above by that silly Biblical analogy. As already mentioned, I have read numerous variants of Scripture and each and every theologian I have spoken with would laugh out loud at your speculation. That's because many people of faith actually think for themselves sometimes and fully embrace science and faith together. Open minds and eyes and all that. You should try it sometime.

[poptart]

How you read that and come to a flat planet is proof positive of your own biased and flawed interpretations. It speaks of God sitting on top of a circle (that's gotta be uncomfortable), with the heavens being both a curtain and a tent. Really? Last time I checked a curtain and a tent are two very different things. As is a dome, so which is it?

How you arrive at a description of a flat Earth, goes to explaining a he'll of a lot about your rather curious perspective.

Okay, you want to look at one of the verses, which, btw, is perhaps the only verse in the Bible I've seen anyone use to try to say the earth is round.

Isaiah 40:22
It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:



The Scripture exactly describes this picture.


Then let's look at the other three I posted...


Daniel 4:10-11
Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great.
The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth:

Matthew 4:8
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;

Revelation 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


All of the passages lend themselves to the earth being FLAT.
Clearly.

every theologian I have spoken with would laugh out loud at your speculation.

Those who have surrendered to "science" and NASA.


Romans 11:4
But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

[poptart]

Christians, I highly recommend you take time to watch this Rob Skiba video.

He is a Christian and is very balanced and rational in his approach.

The video is a little long, and the "intro" is longer than it might need be, but the video is a GREAT watch.

I consider this very important.





There is some very good info within the last 20 minutes of this video.

If you watch and somehow skip past some of it, don't miss the latter part.

[Jay in Phoenix]

Poptart, I'll accept this here as your answer to the question I just asked in another thread.

While you have answered, your response is once again, not just flawed, but outright false.

Not a single one of those lines say "flat Earth". Not one.

You are taking those words and using them...are you ready...as METAPHORS!

Not fact. YOUR metaphors to be exact.

In other words, epic fail.

Go to bed pops, you're drunk.