The Rod of God -- (!) Pages 33 and 34 (!)

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:27 am

Smackie wrote:Is it not a photo at all, or is it a doctored photo?

I don't know.
I just know I don't believe it.

You believe NASA photographed something 13.1 billion LIGHT YEARS away?

Do you really believe this?

Amazing.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:40 am

Smackie wrote:Again, why can't it be? I'm sure you'll claim you've answered my questions, but you've dodged them. What distances fall within a range you'd be able to buy, and where in the Bible would you find reinforcement for that belief? Why couldn't the outer edge of the firmament be quadrillions of light years away?

Genesis 1:14-18
[14] And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
[15] And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
[16] And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
[17] And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
[18] And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:6-7
[6] And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
[7] And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

The sun, moon and stars are IN the firmament.
And notice it says that there are waters above the firmament - not beyond the firmament.

Also, the Hebrew word for firmament (Raqia) means a tangible structure.

One would have to twist and torture Scripture and logic to imagine that Genesis 1 is speaking about the firmament being something that is billions of light years away from earth.
lol

Such a reading of the Scripture is only done because people approach it thinking they have some information which trumps what the passages clearly tell us.

My own opinion is that the Sun is not even as far away from us as we are told the moon is.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:41 am

Smackie wrote:Your arguments - all of them - are completely devoid of reason, logic, substance, or rationality.

My "arguments" align with what the Bible directly says.

I consider it completely irrational to think man went to the moon.
It's stunning to me, actually, that people can be so foolish as to believe this fantasy.

Oh well...

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:49 am

Smackie wrote:You use junk science

poptart wrote:Based on the earth supposedly being 25,000 miles in circumference and curving 8" per mile, an object should be 522 ft below the horizon if a 6 ft tall man is viewing it from 31 miles away.

http://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/index.html

This is Toronto viewed from 31 miles away, in St. Catharines.

Street level is supposed to be 174 yds below the horizon.

Is it?

:)

Don't think this is an isolated picture, btw.
There are MANY such pictures from many locations like this.
And more will continue to come.

What's your explanation?

And what explanation do you have for the lunar wave?

People just barking, "Oh, you're crazy" doesn't cut it.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:52 am

poptart wrote:
Smackie wrote:That's been established. What hasn't been is why you don't believe it. Because you don't trust the messenger (NASA)?
Because I've already seen overwhelming evidence (to me) that we absolutely never went to the moon.

Whatever NASA pumps out has ZERO credibility in my eyes.

If you believe it, that's up to you.

Everyone can think as they wish.

Gee thanks pops, that's swell.

No, seriously, everyone is entitled to think and believe as they wish, that is true. But thinking requires independent thought, not sticking like gum on a shoe to one source of "information". Pops, NASA is not what they used to be. Politics, not science and exploration are more paramount to them now, but they still perform amazing and important work.

I will not sit by and allow you to diminish what my uncle provided to NASA as a chemical engineer in helping design the fuel systems of the Apollo missions. Again, I've seen photos and physical evidence from a number of visits to their facilities. He happened to be a devout Christian, and his work never, ever conflicted with his faith.

To call him a liar is vulgar and offensive. It is your own intellectual dishonesty, or simple ignorance, as AP has pointed out, that is the problem here. Until you can counter with anything other than Scripture to back up your ideas and opinions, and I mean hard factual proof, you have nothing of substance to offer.

I wish you well poptart, but we have reached a point of diminishing returns with your efforts.

When you can counter with hard fact, the sort that I have seen with my own eyes, then we can talk with candor and good will. Until then, you are on an island my friend, alone and isolated from the truth.

The conspira-sea is no place to be.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:56 am

Smackie wrote:So the only reference books and evidence you'll believe are the Bible and anything that agrees with it. Got it

I posted the Toronto pic as evidence that the earth does not curve as we're told it does.

I also posted Dr. Rowbotham's experiments -- and linked to many others.
I've also posted posted these two videos...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VHkthO9vII
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhWYP1Gej2k

There is a shitload of flat earth info out on the web.

If you don't SEE anything, you're not looking.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:59 am

As to that picture you just added, come on man, do you even know what point of perspective means? That is a pic from the ground, or water if you will. You cannot see the curvature of the planet until you ascend. As in the sky and space.

Try again.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:02 am

Jay wrote:I will not sit by and allow you to diminish what my uncle provided to NASA as a chemical engineer in helping design the fuel systems of the Apollo missions. Again, I've seen photos and physical evidence from a number of visits to their facilities. He happened to be a devout Christian, and his work never, ever conflicted with his faith.

To call him a liar is vulgar and offensive. It is your own intellectual dishonesty, or simple ignorance, as AP has pointed out, that is the problem here. Until you can counter with anything other than Scripture to back up your ideas and opinions, and I mean hard factual proof, you have nothing of substance to offer.

When did I ever say your uncle is lying?
lol

I think there are thousands of good people who work for/with NASA who work in their own department and do their own job, and probably very well.

I have posted MANY things of substance within this thread.
I have no doubt that people simply have chosen to scroll it.

So be it.

That's your deal.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:06 am

Jay in Phoenix wrote:As to that picture you just added, come on man, do you even know what point of perspective means? That is a pic from the ground, or water if you will. You cannot see the curvature of the planet until you ascend. As in the sky and space.

Try again.

Picture I just added??
lol

I posted that at least a week ago.

Are you seriously dense or something?

Based on the supposed curve of the earth, street level in Toronto there, from 31 miles away, needs to be 174 yds BELOW THE HORIZON.

We CAN NOT SEE THIS picture if the earth curves as we are told it does.

Good grief.

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:18 am

poptart wrote:
Jay in Phoenix wrote:As to that picture you just added, come on man, do you even know what point of perspective means? That is a pic from the ground, or water if you will. You cannot see the curvature of the planet until you ascend. As in the sky and space.

Try again.
Picture I just added??
lol

I posted that at least a week ago.

Are you seriously dense or something?

Based on the supposed curve of the earth, street level in Toronto there, from 31 miles away, needs to be 174 yds BELOW THE HORIZON.

We CAN NOT SEE THIS picture if the earth curves as we are told it does.

Good grief.

Your source for how much the earth curves is running consistent with all your other scientific information.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:29 am

Diego in Seattle wrote:
poptart wrote:
Jay in Phoenix wrote:As to that picture you just added, come on man, do you even know what point of perspective means? That is a pic from the ground, or water if you will. You cannot see the curvature of the planet until you ascend. As in the sky and space.

Try again.
Picture I just added??
lol

I posted that at least a week ago.

Are you seriously dense or something?

Based on the supposed curve of the earth, street level in Toronto there, from 31 miles away, needs to be 174 yds BELOW THE HORIZON.

We CAN NOT SEE THIS picture if the earth curves as we are told it does.

Good grief.
Your source for how much the earth curves is running consistent with all your other scientific information.

You have nothing to offer.

Thanks for stopping by.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:32 am

poptart wrote:Picture I just added??
lol

I posted that at least a week ago.

Are you seriously dense or something?

You have posted a shit storm over the last few days, that pic I don't remember seeing.

As it is, that is an irrelevant response.

You have repeatedly called me a liar, so in turn, that included what I mentioned about my relatives work. You can't have it both ways poptart. His truth and integrity is mine as well, so to diminish my words are to diminish him. Not acceptable dude, you need to slow your crap, right now.

Based on the supposed curve of the earth, street level in Toronto there, from 31 miles away, needs to be 174 yds BELOW THE HORIZON.

We CAN NOT SEE THIS picture if the earth curves as we are told it does.

Good grief.

Proving once again, your complete and utter lack of knowledge on photography, perspective and basic physics. Horizon versus space and sky, remember? Until you ascend into the sky high enough, that is what you are going to see. It is impossible to see the curvature from the ground, or as you insist, from below.

Below? Congratulations on completely kicking your own fools ass.

You are dismissed. Stay after class and clean the erasers.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:41 am

poptart wrote:
Smackie wrote:You use junk science

poptart wrote:Based on the earth supposedly being 25,000 miles in circumference and curving 8" per mile, an object should be 522 ft below the horizon if a 6 ft tall man is viewing it from 31 miles away.

http://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/index.html

This is Toronto viewed from 31 miles away, in St. Catharines.

Street level is supposed to be 174 yds below the horizon.

Is it?

:)
Don't think this is an isolated picture, btw.
There are MANY such pictures from many locations like this.
And more will continue to come.

What's your explanation?

And what explanation do you have for the lunar wave?

People just barking, "Oh, you're crazy" doesn't cut it.

That pic is taken from a good number of feet above lake level and there is no way of guessing what the minimum viewable height is in Toronto, in this pic.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:54 am

Jay wrote:You have posted a shit storm over the last few days, that pic I don't remember seeing.

LMAO!!

You've been continually sobbing because I am not answering quickly enough.
Now you're making excuses about not seeing what I've posted -- because I've posted a "shit storm."

You are a mess, Jay.
A TOTAL and COMPLETE mess.

Jay wrote:Proving once again, your complete and utter lack of knowledge on photography, perspective and basic physics. Horizon versus space and sky, remember? Until you ascend into the sky high enough, that is what you are going to see. It is impossible to see the curvature from the ground, or as you insist, from below.

Below? Congratulations on completely kicking your own fools ass.

You are dismissed. Stay after class and clean the erasers.

I must say, this has got to be THE most incredible thing I've ever seen posted on any board.
Just incredible.

Jay...

There is NO WAY we can see that Toronto pic if the earth curves as we are told it does.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon

-- For example, for an observer with a height of 1.70 m standing on the ground, the horizon is 4.65 km away. For a tower with a height of 100 m, the horizon distance is 35.7 km. Thus an observer on a beach can see the top of the tower as long as it is not more than 40.35 km away. --

THINK, Jay... THINK.
lol

Wiki says that standing at a height of just under 6', once you are get to 25 miles away from a tower which is 109 yds high, you can NO LONGER SEE ANY PART OF THE TOWER, because it goes under the horizon - due to earth curvature.

Yes, you are not smart.

Incredible.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:55 am

smackaholic wrote:That pic is taken from a good number of feet above lake level and there is no way of guessing what the minimum viewable height is in Toronto, in this pic.

Stop with stupid bullshit and read what I just posted for Jay's dumb ass.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:02 am

KC Scott wrote:Tart - I want to summarize your positions - please correct any I have wrong

- the earth is flat
- The Sun and Moon revolve around the earth
- The moon is self illuminating
- You do not know what the stars are but acknowledge they exist
- The Earth, moon, sun & stars sits under a firmament covered by water - a dome in other words
- NASA didn't go to the moon
- NASA does not currently have an explorer unit on Mars
- All NASA photos of and from Space are fake

You go foul on pt #1 and it's incredible that after saying it SO MANY times, you still cite it wrong.
lol

I don't know for sure what the shape of the earth is.

Yes, sun and moon move around the earth, I think.
Yes, I think the moon produces it's own light.
Stars exist and are IN the firmament - which is covered by water.
NASA did not go to the moon.
No current explorer unit on Mars.
Not all space photos are necessarily fake, imo. Not sure.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:14 am

Complete and utter fail tard. Using a wiki sight for your proof?

Fucking hysterical.

It doesn't matter that you don't understand what the fuck you are typing here with your ignorant, arrogant deficiency, but your concept of perspective is less than kindergarten level.

Until you actually get into a plane, or rocket and ascend high enough into the sky to see the curvature for yourself, you seriously need to sew your blubbering, crying piehole shut. Physical proof or shut this foray into idiocy down.

You have now gone from sailing the conspira-sea, into diving pinhead first into the luna-sea.

Unbelievable.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:23 am

Jay wrote:Complete and utter fail tard. Using a wiki sight for your proof?

LOL

It's Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon

Read it again.

-- For example, for an observer with a height of 1.70 m standing on the ground, the horizon is 4.65 km away. For a tower with a height of 100 m, the horizon distance is 35.7 km. Thus an observer on a beach can see the top of the tower as long as it is not more than 40.35 km away. --

If you're 6' tall and are viewing a tower which is 109 yds high, once you get to 25 miles away from the tower, ALL OF IT has gone under the horizon and is NO LONGER VISIBLE to you - due to earth curvature.

You came in lecturing, flailing, and calling me names, but what you said is -----> COMPLETELY WRONG.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:31 am

Once again poptroll, with feeling.

Either go high enough into the sky to see the truth for yourself, or stuff your bullshit back up your ass.

Your choice.

But I know you are too gutless to do this, what with reality and visual evidence getting in the way of your delusions.

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:06 am

Jay in Phoenix wrote:Once again poptroll, with feeling.

Either go high enough into the sky to see the truth for yourself, or stuff your bullshit back up your ass.

Your choice.

But I know you are too gutless to do this, what with reality and visual evidence getting in the way of your delusions.

I'm sure that even if he was able to hop on a jet that went up to 41,000'+ he'd just blow it off as a mirage of some sort.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:30 am

Diego wrote:I'm sure that even if he was able to hop on a jet that went up to 41,000'+ he'd just blow it off as a mirage of some sort.

lol

And what exactly are you people doing with this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon
-- For example, for an observer with a height of 1.70 m standing on the ground, the horizon is 4.65 km away. For a tower with a height of 100 m, the horizon distance is 35.7 km. Thus an observer on a beach can see the top of the tower as long as it is not more than 40.35 km away. --

If you're 6' tall and are viewing a tower which is 109 yds high, once you get to 25 miles away from the tower, ALL OF IT has gone under the horizon and is NO LONGER VISIBLE to you - due to earth curvature.
So we are told.

It's 31 miles away.

oops!

No more question and answer time, fliends.
This is enough.

it's difficult to come to terms with a lie this large.
I was there.

Go back and read my posts.
I know you've come with your own assumptions and have scrolled past very important things.
You did the wrong thing.

Don't pre-judge, but just READ and watch.

That's my advice.
Take it or leave it.

I might check back in this thread at some point.

Happy reading!

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 3:37 am

I guess no one can answer my questions. At least AP tried. Oh well carry on...

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 4:07 am

poptart wrote: I know you've come with your own assumptions and have scrolled past very important things.
You did the wrong thing.

Don't pre-judge, but just READ and watch.

I might check back in this thread at some point.

Pop the same applies to you here. You have not answered easy questions about nonstop flights that happen on a daily basis. You have also come with your own assumptions and ignore first hand observations. You keep wanting documentation but have ignored plenty of documentation.

I do hope you come back because there is much to be learned by both.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 4:40 am

poptart wrote:
And what exactly are you people doing with this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon
-- For example, for an observer with a height of 1.70 m standing on the ground, the horizon is 4.65 km away. For a tower with a height of 100 m, the horizon distance is 35.7 km. Thus an observer on a beach can see the top of the tower as long as it is not more than 40.35 km away. --

If you're 6' tall and are viewing a tower which is 109 yds high, once you get to 25 miles away from the tower, ALL OF IT has gone under the horizon and is NO LONGER VISIBLE to you - due to earth curvature.
So we are told.

It's 31 miles away.

Stupid is as stupid posts.

Wiki, short for wikipedia, is simply put, a sight that any dumb ass can post to and edit on a whim. The simpleton fact that this is your current source of "information" is a joke. Congratulations on crashing head first into a brick wall of idiocy.

No more question and answer time, fliends.
This is enough.

it's difficult to come to terms with a lie this large.
I was there.

Go back and read my posts.
I know you've come with your own assumptions and have scrolled past very important things.
You did the wrong thing.

We have read your posts. It's unfortunate you cannot come to terms with your own, uninformed fallacies. The only things anybody has scrolled past is your garbage, misinformation and religious claptrap. If you wish to address liars and lies, look in the mirror.

You were where exactly? Head up your sorry, delusional ass? Yep, that's about right.

Don't pre-judge, but just READ and watch.

That's my advice.
Take it or leave it.

No pre-judgement. Have read and watched. It's just as stupid now as it was the first time. Unless you are willing and able to put yourself out there as a true witness, your words and refs are merely dust in a windstorm. Live and watch for yourself poptart, get information from the real, visible world, not an ancient moldy questionable text.

The Bible is a great work of writing and art, but as a historical text of facts...not so much.

Since you cannot separate fiction from truth, then reality is lost for you.

I might check back in this thread at some point.

Happy reading!

Not a single person will be holding their breath on that account.

However, we all know as the official new Last Word Whore, you haven't got the ability to resist responding to a single word I have written here. If " at some point" is anything other than a couple of days at least, you stand revealed...again, as a fraud.

Prove me wrong pustart. I dare you.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 5:07 am

Jay wrote:Wiki, short for wikipedia, is simply put, a sight that any dumb ass can post to and edit on a whim. The simpleton fact that this is your current source of "information" is a joke. Congratulations on crashing head first into a brick wall of idiocy.

LOL

Well then go ahead and post the REAL rate of curvature, SuperJay.

Face it, your keyboard ran WAY ahead of your brain, and you pwnt yourself.

You can't hide it and you can't delete it.
Anyone can look at it.

Left Seater wrote:
poptart wrote: I know you've come with your own assumptions and have scrolled past very important things.
You did the wrong thing.

Don't pre-judge, but just READ and watch.

I might check back in this thread at some point.
Pop the same applies to you here. You have not answered easy questions about nonstop flights that happen on a daily basis.

Probably because you don't read my posts.

poptart wrote:And for Left Seater, don't think I've forgotten about your last post.
I continue to look into flights in the Souther Hemisphere, etc.
I will comment more on this sometime in the future.
Not sure when.
I don't have much to add right now.

This is EXACTLY why I am not taking any more questions in this thread - and won't be responding to protests.
I have posted a PLETHORA of information and have taken a TON of time to respond to you people -- and yet I have no doubt that almost all of it has been scrolled by most.

So talk amongst yourselves.
Scroll BACK to page 1 -- and begin reading/watching things I've posted.
That's my recommendation.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 1:20 pm

Jay in Phoenix wrote:
mvscal wrote:
poptart wrote:The Bible says in Genesis 1:6-8, 14-18 that there is a firmament -- and within the firmament are the sun, moon and stars.
And there is water above the firmament.

I say this is true.
AP says I am wrong.

That means he is saying the Bible is wrong.

What's the other choice, oh wise one?
The other choice is that you are totally clueless and, quite honestly, sound like some kind of Islamic whackjob. "The Bible" doesn't say shit. It's a fucking book, dumbass. It "says" whatever the person who wrote it wanted it to say.
Which is the fundamental point behind all of this. 'tart is so befuddled and drunk on Jesus jizz that he cannot see how he is mirroring Islamic extremists. Instead of practicing tolerance and understanding of his fellow man, he eschews hatred and prejudice to anyone who dares to disagree with his loopy ideology.

I would just like to point out that this looks to be a misuse of the word "eschews". Everything else in this thread appears to be in order.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:05 pm

Pop. I have been reading your posts. And I reading them you posted that you were done with the tread and you might be back. How am I to know that you weren't really do e and are still pondering my question? I know what you wrote a few days ago, but that wasn't mentioned when you pulled the rip cord.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 9:28 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:I would just like to point out that this looks to be a misuse of the word "eschews". Everything else in this thread appears to be in order.

Bwah! Long fucking night. The thesaurus part of me was shutting down about that time. Good call Goober, I appreciate you pointing that out.

The best part though was that pops took the bait and posted about a half hour after my post, even though he said he was done. Sorry Goobs, but the Last Word Whore Crown belongs to him. I knew he couldn't stop himself.

Looks like his liar accusations fall back on him.

Awesome.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:07 pm

Let's go back to the beginning of this thread.

Brian posted this very real, very untouched photo, taken with a film camera.

Poptard said "this does not dispute my statements in any way."

Since no photoshop, cgi, or any other manipulations are applicable, how does this NOT dispute his oblivious opinion?

Real picture, real evidence.

In turn, poptard only offers his biased and Scripture based, self admitted lack of knowledge.

"I don't have all the answers." he says. He doesn't have ANY answers. He doesn't have any logical response. He hides behind his Book like a cringing, hand wringing pussy, ignoring the proof staring him right in his black, rodent eyes.

Here we have verifiable, physical evidence of a round planet.

He counters with stupid graphics, bad animations and conspiracy driven tripe and Biblical fantasy.

It is game over on this alone.

Yet, watch him come whining and crying back in, spewing the same exact nonsense, backed up with nothing.

Enough is fucking enough.

Either bring any, real verifiable evidence to support your "opinions", or shut it down 'tart.

You are done.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 4:24 am

Jay in Phoenix wrote:The best part though was that pops took the bait and posted about a half hour after my post, even though he said he was done. Sorry Goobs, but the Last Word Whore Crown belongs to him.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:44 am

Jay wrote:Either bring any, real verifiable evidence to support your "opinions", or shut it down 'tart.

I did.
And I've posted many many things in support of my view.

Click the earth curve calculator link below, put in the numbers, and see what you see.

Based on the earth supposedly being 25,000 miles in circumference and curving 8" per mile, an object should be 522 ft below the horizon if a 6 ft tall man is viewing it from 31 miles away.

http://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/index.html

This is Toronto viewed from 31 miles away, in St. Catharines.

Street level is supposed to be 174 yds below the horizon.

Is it?

To which you posted this fantastically ridiculous take.
Perhaps the DUMBEST take I've ever seen on any board, anywhere.

Jay wrote:Proving once again, your complete and utter lack of knowledge on photography, perspective and basic physics. Horizon versus space and sky, remember? Until you ascend into the sky high enough, that is what you are going to see. It is impossible to see the curvature from the ground, or as you insist, from below.

Below? Congratulations on completely kicking your own fools ass.

The dynamic is the exact OPPOSITE of what you said.
And a child just out of pampers would be keen to it.

Imagine I am at point A, and looking at point O.
It's hidden from me - under the horizon.
But if I go UP HIGHER, along the B line, up to the yellow line, I can finally see it.

Jay, if you ascended higher, you would see MORE of the Toronto building view.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:51 am

There's your guy, people.
lol

Seater, I WILL almost certainly revisit the thread in the future.
The Southern Hemisphere flights are one aspect of this that I am exploring.
I have some initial thoughts about it, but will refrain from comment for now.
There are many other things, as well, that I am exploring.

m0ds, please don't lock the thread, but as I said, there is a lot that I posted that I honestly think/wish people would look at and think about.
So go back and explore yourself.

Or don't.
Wave it off.
It's your call.

As always, I shoot straight here.

Now I really am done for now.
No more questions or answers.
Look around on your own.
You seriously should.

Peace.
Out...

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:43 pm

It would be nice if someone could answer the question as to when a flat water surface starts to bend over the earth's (roundish) surface.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:48 pm

poptart wrote:

This is Toronto viewed from 31 miles away, in St. Catharines.

Street level is supposed to be 174 yds below the horizon.

Is it?

Here's a closer photo of that shoreline. look to the left of the tower. There's some stuff there that you don't see in pop's photo, because you can't see the actual shoreline, because it's below the horizon. And it's hard to tell from pop's photo how far above the water line it was taken.

Sorry, pops, but if you look at these two pictures objectively, your photo actually supports the curved earth theory.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:50 pm

Moving Sale wrote:It would be nice if someone could answer the question as to when a flat water surface starts to bend over the earth's (roundish) surface.

Probably at the point the earth's surface starts to curve. Which is like immediately, even if imperceptibly.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 5:45 pm

Roach, I get you racking 'tart, but option number 1 is more than likely not the case. If he has been trolling, it is an excellent effort.

However, putting that MUCH effort into it belies a very disturbing condition, worse yet if this has been the real deal.

poptart has got some way serious issues. Option 2 is likely the case. Religious indoctrination can be pretty insidious. We wouldn't have ISIS extremeists running around killing people in the name of their pervert god. I know poptart has a good heart and is a good guy, but this flat Earth and other crap he's spouting shows his mind has been comprimised. He's swallowing this garbage hook, line and sinker. He won't even remotely consider other sources of information to contrast his own, just dismisses them outright.

At this point though, who cares, right? It's been an entertaining run. Probably not over, not by a long shot.

Whatever the case, I have no ill will for pops, just sympathy.

Be at peace pops, but for the love of God and god, seek counsel.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:08 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:
Moving Sale wrote:It would be nice if someone could answer the question as to when a flat water surface starts to bend over the earth's (roundish) surface.
Probably at the point the earth's surface starts to curve. Which is like immediately, even if imperceptibly.

A) I'm sorry I was talking actual math.
B) Then why can't I see it? Remember I'm lower to the ground. It's easier for me to do this experiment.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:22 pm

Moving Sale wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:
Moving Sale wrote:It would be nice if someone could answer the question as to when a flat water surface starts to bend over the earth's (roundish) surface.
Probably at the point the earth's surface starts to curve. Which is like immediately, even if imperceptibly.
A) I'm sorry I was talking actual math.
B) Then why can't I see it? Remember I'm lower to the ground. It's easier for me to do this experiment.

OK, Tiny, picture this. You're standing on a tennis ball (as only you could) looking at a straight line on the surface of the tennis ball that stretches for a length equal the size of a grain of sand. Can you sense the curvature?

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:27 pm

Yea that's not math. Nice try dolt.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:46 pm

It's a simple experiment. Should be right in your wheelhouse.