Nice looking rig and the 3.7 V-6 makes 305 hp although you got to get to the fun side of 5 grand to wake it up. Not really thrilled with the interior to be honest but I ain't gonna be the one driving it every day. I'm just glad I was able to talk her into the 6 speed. Hope she lets me drive it now and then. I better get some oral for my damn near 16k (out the door) outlay.
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mvscal wrote:The only precious metals in a SHTF scenario are lead and brass.
Imus wrote:Felix are you chugging NyQuil this morning?
no I'm thinking about buying one of them....but not in black, in Arctic white
that is a bad ass car....I'd no doubt be ringing up speeding tickets by the bushel-full....
Don't think unleashing the OL in a hellcat challenger would be a wise idea. As for looks, I like all of the new pony cars. The OL preferred the stang. So she got it. She says she wanted one because her first ride was a mustang at which point I have to remind her that that POS mustang II was not a mustang. I was following a new ZL-1 the other day. He got on it going under a hiway overpass. Sounded pretty sweet
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mvscal wrote:The only precious metals in a SHTF scenario are lead and brass.
Yeah, the GT350R is nasty. Ford decided to pretend they were Ferrari with the motor. 8200 rpm of flat plane crank goodness. I really like the facelift they did in '15. After putting a down payment on the '12, I saw a bright red '15 with the same setup. Trouble is, it was about 400 miles away. I like the interior updates in the '15 as well. I am not really thrilled with the '12's interior. A tad too retro for me. But, it's nicer than the Camaro interior. Sitting in the Camaro is like sitting in a gun turret. Looks sweet from the outside though.
mvscal wrote:The only precious metals in a SHTF scenario are lead and brass.
The 2017 Camaro ZL1 will be able to properly handle any Hellkitten or Shelby GT350 wannabe that thinks it wants any part of it. 1/4 mile times in the high 10s says so.
Sorry Felix...the Mustangs are just too inferior to the new 6th Gen Camaros, in pretty much every way. Even the standard Camaro SS has 455hp and a 8-spd transmission and runs high 11s right off the showroom floor.
I'll take mine in red, of course.
Tiger Woods....ALLEGEDLY wrote:"Hey, it's, uh, it's Tiger. I need you to do me a huge favor. Um, can you please, uh, take your name off your phone. My wife went through my phone. And, uh, may be calling you. If you can, please take your name off that and, um, and what do you call it just have it as a number on the voice mail, just have it as your telephone number. That's it, OK. You gotta do this for me. Huge. Quickly. All right. Bye."
That new ZL-1 is gonna be badass. Will be interesting to see how it does at the strip against the Hellcat. The GT350R is more of a track toy, not a drag racer. I will reserve judgement on the look till I see one in real life, although I get what you are saying. It looks like they are trying to copy Honda/Toyota with the busy lines and giant ugly grills. I think the Mustang's recent facelift was better. A little more subdued.
mvscal wrote:The only precious metals in a SHTF scenario are lead and brass.
Paul wrote:.... and a 8-spd transmission and runs high 11s right off the showroom floor.
This is where they lose me.
Half the fun of driving these things is shifting them and seeing how many gears you can chirp the wheels in. But, if you have to do the auto, at what point is more gears just a big dick contest? 8 or even 9 gears in a high winding 4 cylinder might make sense. In a V-8 that pull like a freight train right off idle, I think it is just extra weight/expense. I doubt it affects performance or fuel mileage much at all. The negligible gains of always being at the perfect rpm for efficiency is countered by more weight and the fact that the engine is spinning more bits in the tranny which takes power. My guess is that anything past 6 is just showing off and possibly even lowers efficiency.
mvscal wrote:The only precious metals in a SHTF scenario are lead and brass.
Paul wrote:
Sorry Felix...the Mustangs are just too inferior to the new 6th Gen Camaros, in pretty much every way. Even the standard Camaro SS has 455hp and a 8-spd transmission and runs high 11s right off the showroom floor.
I never said I wanted a mustang, I said I was considering buying the Arctic White 707 hp hellcat.....I've had my turn with high powered mustangs (I had a 1998 S351 Saleen) that I sold for almost as much as I paid for it......now I want another high performance car and I took an SRT 392 out for a test drive and loved the car.....unfortunately they won't let you take the one hellcat they have in the store out for a test drive, so the 392 was the closest I could come to judging how the car looks, rides, and feels....I would definitely have to take a hellcat out for a test spin before I dropped $63K on one.....
Paul wrote:.... and a 8-spd transmission and runs high 11s right off the showroom floor.
This is where they lose me.
Half the fun of driving these things is shifting them and seeing how many gears you can chirp the wheels in. But, if you have to do the auto, at what point is more gears just a big dick contest? 8 or even 9 gears in a high winding 4 cylinder might make sense. In a V-8 that pull like a freight train right off idle, I think it is just extra weight/expense. I doubt it affects performance or fuel mileage much at all. The negligible gains of always being at the perfect rpm for efficiency is countered by more weight and the fact that the engine is spinning more bits in the tranny which takes power. My guess is that anything past 6 is just showing off and possibly even lowers efficiency.
Go drive one and get back to me...I think you'll have a different opinion.
Tiger Woods....ALLEGEDLY wrote:"Hey, it's, uh, it's Tiger. I need you to do me a huge favor. Um, can you please, uh, take your name off your phone. My wife went through my phone. And, uh, may be calling you. If you can, please take your name off that and, um, and what do you call it just have it as a number on the voice mail, just have it as your telephone number. That's it, OK. You gotta do this for me. Huge. Quickly. All right. Bye."
Paul wrote:
Sorry Felix...the Mustangs are just too inferior to the new 6th Gen Camaros, in pretty much every way. Even the standard Camaro SS has 455hp and a 8-spd transmission and runs high 11s right off the showroom floor.
I never said I wanted a mustang, I said I was considering buying the Arctic White 707 hp hellcat.....I've had my turn with high powered mustangs (I had a 1998 S351 Saleen) that I sold for almost as much as I paid for it......now I want another high performance car and I took an SRT 392 out for a test drive and loved the car.....unfortunately they won't let you take the one hellcat they have in the store out for a test drive, so the 392 was the closest I could come to judging how the car looks, rides, and feels....I would definitely have to take a hellcat out for a test spin before I dropped $63K on one.....
Not gonna lie...the Hellcat is worth EVERY penny. GOD DAMN those cars are fast, and the power even in the upper gears is just stupid, in a good way of course.
Tiger Woods....ALLEGEDLY wrote:"Hey, it's, uh, it's Tiger. I need you to do me a huge favor. Um, can you please, uh, take your name off your phone. My wife went through my phone. And, uh, may be calling you. If you can, please take your name off that and, um, and what do you call it just have it as a number on the voice mail, just have it as your telephone number. That's it, OK. You gotta do this for me. Huge. Quickly. All right. Bye."
Paul wrote:.... and a 8-spd transmission and runs high 11s right off the showroom floor.
This is where they lose me.
Half the fun of driving these things is shifting them and seeing how many gears you can chirp the wheels in. But, if you have to do the auto, at what point is more gears just a big dick contest? 8 or even 9 gears in a high winding 4 cylinder might make sense. In a V-8 that pull like a freight train right off idle, I think it is just extra weight/expense. I doubt it affects performance or fuel mileage much at all. The negligible gains of always being at the perfect rpm for efficiency is countered by more weight and the fact that the engine is spinning more bits in the tranny which takes power. My guess is that anything past 6 is just showing off and possibly even lowers efficiency.
Go drive one and get back to me...I think you'll have a different opinion.
I'm not questioning whether these things are amazing rides. I am just pointing out that 8 gears in a supercharged V-8 is a bit of overkill. I don't think they give up a damn thing, performance or efficiency wise if they go with a 6 speed. And it would be a few pounds lighter or stronger, depending on what they went for. I have driven 8 and 9 speed mopar rentals. The drop in revs from gear to gear is almost nothing. Almost like driving a CVT.
mvscal wrote:The only precious metals in a SHTF scenario are lead and brass.
Paul wrote:
Not gonna lie...the Hellcat is worth EVERY penny. GOD DAMN those cars are fast, and the power even in the upper gears is just stupid, in a good way of course.
like I said, it will run a 10.5 quarter right out of the box.....the guy driving it in this video pusses out
go to 1:38 of the video and you'll see my dream car (the 1971 Challenger with a 426 hemi but they sell for a lot more than the new hellcat does)....but the video puts the two side by side in a quarter mile race and see for yourself how the hellcat performs.....
It really is stupid how fast the new stuff is. The new Z06 with the 8 speed auto can break off a 10.4 on stock tires.
That is just fukking ridiculous. It is a few horses shy of the hellcat, but the hellcat is a lardass.
My fukking V-6 is only a few tenths behind the old hemi. That is absolutely ridiculous. A few mods and some sticky tires and a fukking modern secretary's car will run with the legend. And get 30 mpg if you keep your foot out of it.
The old saying is right. They don't make them like they used to. Thank g0d.
I suspect before long, somebody is gonna get into the 9s. I think the Porsche 918 is already there, but that thing costs a few trillion dollars. The goal should be under 10 seconds for under 100K.....and get 30 mpg! Maybe the coming Ford GT will get there, except for the under 100K part. I suspect we will soon see a vette with a hybrid drive similar to the 918 that will get there. Give it a twin turbo small block and about 400 horse worth of edrive and they should be there. Of course that would have a snowballs chance in hell of being under 100k.
mvscal wrote:The only precious metals in a SHTF scenario are lead and brass.
