Thoughts and prayers in MCO

[BSmack]

People are generally more polite to one another if they suspect each other may be armed.

Uh no

Uh - yeah:
http://rense.com/general9/gunlaw.htm

Except even your link says that just about anyone could get out of having to own a gun.

[smackaholic]

The only logical way to defend public places is to give the public the ability to protect themselves. I think this goes for any place, including bars.

Uh, no.

I'm betting that most gun owners don't spend all that much time on the range. And hitting a live, moving target that is firing back is a lot harder than hitting a stationary paper target. Now you want to add alcohol to the mix of people shooting in a public place? Gee, I wonder what could go wrong?

Ask the folks that died cowering in the shitter in that club in Orlando. Oh wait, don't bother, they're kind of dead. But I'm guessing that if you took a poll in there as they were living out their last few minutes, they might think that having a gun or three might have been a good idea. And yes, being a little buzzed and scared to death might not help marksmanship much, it does give you somewhat better odds. Also, that fukk was a loser faggit himself. I suspect that if he heard hot rounds coming back at him, he might have pissed down his leg and ran away.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

As far as I know, there is no statistical evidence to support that a well legally armed citizenry creates massive gun shootings. It's the criminals who don't give a rat's ass about the law. It actually was the same even back in the old west. Movies and TV westerns would have you believe that all people did back then was going around shooting at each other.

Any potential lives saved from mass gun shootings as a result of a "well legally armed citizenry" would be dwarfed by the increased number of lives lost from gun related accidents and incidents as a result of having more guns on the streets and in homes.

You guys watch too many action flicks.

[Diego in Seattle]

As far as I know, there is no statistical evidence to support that a well legally armed citizenry creates massive gun shootings. It's the criminals who don't give a rat's ass about the law. It actually was the same even back in the old west. Movies and TV westerns would have you believe that all people did back then was going around shooting at each other.

You guys watch too many action flicks.

Yippee Ki Yay, motherfucker!

[Screw_Michigan]

Ask the folks that died cowering in the shitter in that club in Orlando. Oh wait, don't bother, they're kind of dead.

Only a true coward tries to prove a point by referring to dead people. You sometimes make cogent points, but suggesting arming people in bars will make them more respectful to one another might just be the most ignorant take I've read on this board since the last Wolftard take.

Props, I guess.

[Carson]

Only a true coward tries to prove a point by referring to dead people.

Tell that to the gun control crowd, you stupid fuck.

[Screw_Michigan]

Nice half IWYABWAI. I'm surprised you're even witty enough to wipe your ass.

[Carson]

I'm both surprised and dismayed that you can remember to breathe.

[Left Seater]

Any potential lives saved from mass gun shootings as a result of a "well legally armed citizenry" would be dwarfed by the increased number of lives lost from gun related accidents and incidents as a result of having more guns on the streets and in homes.

You guys watch too many action flicks.

Link? So we should see an increase in accidents after mass shootings since gun sales surge after said shootings. Hook us up the the stats proving your theory.

[Screw_Michigan]

I'm both surprised and dismayed that you can remember to breathe.

:?

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Link? So we should see an increase in accidents after mass shootings since gun sales surge after said shootings. Hook us up the the stats proving your theory.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/fire ... e-gun-use/

Do you honestly believe that a substantial increase of guns in society would somehow result in a decline of accidental gun deaths? I didn't figure even the most ardent gun guy would argue with basic arithmetic.

[atmdad]

I'm both surprised and dismayed that you can remember to breathe.

:?

Fortunately for Screwey, breathing is generally an autonomic bodily function.

[Screw_Michigan]

Don't forget I breathe through my mouth, too.

[Left Seater]

Link? So we should see an increase in accidents after mass shootings since gun sales surge after said shootings. Hook us up the the stats proving your theory.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/fire ... e-gun-use/

Do you honestly believe that a substantial increase of guns in society would somehow result in a decline of accidental gun deaths? I didn't figure even the most ardent gun guy would argue with basic arithmetic.

My bad, I incorrectly read your statement of accidents to mean mistaken identity and citizens playing cops. Not jr gets his hands on Dad's piece and shoots his sister.

But while accidents go up, murders and violent crime go down when the citizens are well armed, at least in Texas.

[Go Coogs']

Terms don't kill people. Morons with AR-15's and high capacity magazines do.

And before you get your panties in a wad, I will confess to owning three AR-15's. One is configured as a National Match Rifle. The other two were gifts to me from a close family friend, who wanted me to give them to my sons (which I will do, when they are out of college and own a gun safe).

I've been a member of the NRA since before I could drive a car. I understand the notion that Americans should be able to keep and bear arms. They should be able to do so for the protection of their homes and family, and possibly to thwart tyranny from their government (ignoring, of course, that that train left he station around 1937 or so).

If you've been to a gun show in recent years (I have, many times), and you are sane (which I am), you come away with a mixed feeling on things. In one sense, it is good to know that if you think you need weapons to secure the safety and well-being of your own person and family, you can get them. Easily. But in the other sense, you look around the facility and notice that there are a lot of seriously fucked-up people buying incredible amounts of lethal weaponry. And that is unnerving. At least to me.

Several years ago, I stood in line at a gun show to buy some .223 ammunition. I shot quite often back then. So buying 10,000 rounds was not unusual. But the guy in front of me that day was talking about the amount of ammo he had in 30-round magazines. He was buying rounds by the tens of thousands, and packing them in 30-round magazines for the zombie apocalypse (a guess) his tiny mind could only see. He was scary.

I've seen people buy .50 caliber rifles as long as a kitchen table. For what? You cannot hunt with them. I do not know of any gun ranges (and I am a member of six) that allow them. They are basically a 2-mile accurate artillery piece that the common Joe can buy. Why?

And don't even get me started with the myriad of other "street-sweeper" types of guns that get sold at gun shows. It is insane what we tolerate being distributed within our society. And this is coming from an NRA member that has shot at every National Match (except one - 'sup Alaska) since 1991.

What is your grand solution, aside from arguing about terminology? Do we arm every citizen to the teeth with weapons that can bring hundreds of rounds onto target in a matter of minutes (select fire, whatever)? Or, do we consider restraining the ownership and possession of firearms a little bit? I haven't drawn any final conclusions on this issue myself, other than to conclude that there are a (freaking) lot of people who possess firearms lawfully in this society that I personally find scary as shit.

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[Mikey]

The only logical way to defend public places is to give the public the ability to protect themselves. I think this goes for any place, including bars.

Uh, no.

I'm betting that most gun owners don't spend all that much time on the range. And hitting a live, moving target that is firing back is a lot harder than hitting a stationary paper target. Now you want to add alcohol to the mix of people shooting in a public place? Gee, I wonder what could go wrong?

Ask the folks that died cowering in the shitter in that club in Orlando. Oh wait, don't bother, they're kind of dead. But I'm guessing that if you took a poll in there as they were living out their last few minutes, they might think that having a gun or three might have been a good idea. And yes, being a little buzzed and scared to death might not help marksmanship much, it does give you somewhat better odds. Also, that fukk was a loser faggit himself. I suspect that if he heard hot rounds coming back at him, he might have pissed down his leg and ran away.

Even the NRA says you're full of shit.

[BSmack]

Errr not exactly. Blame the Mongols for fucking up their sense of dignity beyond all repair.

The Mongol invasion wasn't until the late 1100's to 1200's.....Muhammad was born in 570AD and ripped off the bible for stories about how Islam was the way to truth.....really, it was a way in which to justify his pedophilia as he "married" a nine year old girl and allegedly had sex with many similarly aged girls and teens....the guy created a cult that got out of hand and now it's become what you see it is today......like I said, I reread the Quran and found it most interesting that it was more about muslims sex life than it was about brotherhood and universal love.....

the guy was a fucking perv and convinced others that being a perv was okay.....

Whatever about Muhammed. Persia was one of the great cultural and intellectual societies of the ages. Then the Mongols came

[Go Coogs']

The only logical way to defend public places is to give the public the ability to protect themselves. I think this goes for any place, including bars.

Uh, no.

I'm betting that most gun owners don't spend all that much time on the range. And hitting a live, moving target that is firing back is a lot harder than hitting a stationary paper target. Now you want to add alcohol to the mix of people shooting in a public place? Gee, I wonder what could go wrong?

Ask the folks that died cowering in the shitter in that club in Orlando. Oh wait, don't bother, they're kind of dead. But I'm guessing that if you took a poll in there as they were living out their last few minutes, they might think that having a gun or three might have been a good idea. And yes, being a little buzzed and scared to death might not help marksmanship much, it does give you somewhat better odds. Also, that fukk was a loser faggit himself. I suspect that if he heard hot rounds coming back at him, he might have pissed down his leg and ran away.[/quote]

Even the NRA says you're full of shit.
[/quote]

This ^^^

I'm a member of the NRA and own many guns, but a bunch of drunk people strapping is a terrible idea. If any of you ever took a CHL class you'd know everything there is to know about gun safety and responsibility. Mrs. Rumps and I take it very seriously and do not believe, under any circumstances, that alcohol and guns mix. You're begging for trouble.

'Holic, I suggest you to shut the fuck up as you're making us republicans look like a bunch of dumb rednecks. Please refrain from being baited into dumb Facebook posts that are copy and pasted from the Conservative Tribune.

I also don't want to see right wing red neck post something about Radical Islam not needing to kill a mass of people with just guns because they killed 3000 people with airplanes. Well, if I'm not mistaken didn't the government make it harder for us to get on planes after 9/11?

I can't believe my red nation brethren have become so consumed with propaganda and gotcha headlines. It's so fucking sad to see these simpletons bite so god damn hard on created news and social media opinion nowadays. They are most certainly sheep. MSNBC and FOX News do not report ANY news. They are only interested in money and ratings. And with that comes mind manipulation.

I wish our dumb conservatives were a lot like dumb liberals; can't read and don't own to a computer.

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[Goober McTuber]

dumb conservatives

Redundant.

[Screw_Michigan]

I wish our dumb conservatives were a lot like dumb liberals; can't read and don't own to a computer.

The irony is overwhelming.

[smackaholic]

There are some common sense proposals for regulating gun sales I'd support

* Background Federal and State DB checks at gun shows (or if you to make it easier, set up an easy system to get a pre-registration card similar to TSA pre-check)
* Ban anyone on No Fly lists from purchasing guns
* Ban anyone treated for mental illness from buying guns

Unfortunately none of these will ever be enacted because the NRA views any new gun law as opening the door for further laws

Their argument is there's already ____ laws on the books that aren't being enforced, so why add more legislation that in reality only makes it tougher for honest citizens to buy guns?

I see the issue from both sides, and there's no easy answer

There are no easy answers. And allowing dumbfukks to carry can go badly, but, the fact of the matter is that "gun free zones" aren't. They are places where evil assholes can go to shoot fish in a barrel.

I agree that we do need to get a handle on batshitcrazy people being allowed to wander around freely. And if you have a habit of going out, getting hammered and throwing punches, you prolly should leave your gun home. But some of us, believe it or not are responsible for our actions, even if we do go out and get hammered. I have never carried in public and maybe I never will, but, given the fact that there are increasing numbers of evil shitstains out there looking for a barrel full of fish to shoot, I think that law abiding citizens should have the right to carry, pretty much anywhere in public. And then there is that little thing they put in the constitution that ensures this right. Don't like it? Ammend the constitution.

[Mikey]

I have never carried in public and maybe I never will.

Figured as much.

x 1,000,000

So you're expecting some other limp-dicked John Wayne / Clint Eastwood wannabee to save your worthless ass when the time comes. Good luck with that.
If "gun-free" zones are so dangerous, maybe you should just avoid them.

[smackaholic]

I have never carried in public and maybe I never will.

Figured as much.

x 1,000,000

So you're expecting some other limp-dicked John Wayne / Clint Eastwood wannabee to save your worthless ass when the time comes. Good luck with that.
If "gun-free" zones are so dangerous, maybe you should just avoid them.

No, I expect nothing from LDJW. I just think mandating that public places be defense-free killzones is kinda stupid. better to have the potential assbag at least think he may meet resistance.

[Bucmonkey]

No easy answers, so cruise along and let the debate die till the next mass shooting, then rinse/repeat...fucking brilliant. Fuck the NRA and the slippery slope bullshit they feed to the mouth breathers...