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They take an unsubstantiated claim by a nutcase commentator on Faux news and use it like it's some kind of vetted information?

This is just ridiculous and embarrassing on so many levels. Do we really have to put up with this for four years?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... 9080dc1921
Britain’s surveillance agency slaps down claim it was involved in Trump ‘wiretap’

During the briefing, Spicer cited claims made earlier this week by Napolitano, a former New Jersey Superior Court judge and a regular commentator for Fox News. He told Fox News that three intelligence sources had said that Obama "went outside the chain of command" and used Britain’s GCHQ so “there’s no American fingerprints on this.”

Spicer recounted that interview at the briefing, telling assembled reporters:

“On 'Fox News', on March 14, Judge Andrew Napolitano made the following statement, quote, 'Three intelligence sources have informed Fox News that President Obama went outside the chain of command. He didn't use the NSA, he didn't use the CIA, he didn't use the FBI and he didn't use the Department of Justice. He used GCHQ. What is that? It's the initials for the British intelligence finding agency. So, simply by having two people saying to them president needs transcripts of conversations involving candidate Trump's conversations, involving president-elect Trump, he's able to get it and there's no American fingerprints on this.”

The Daily Telegraph, a right-leaning British newspaper, said on Friday that intelligence sources told the paper that Spicer and Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster, Trump’s national security adviser, have apologized for the claims.
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I'm guessing your life is destroyed by this. T1B needs to set up a safe room for you all.
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You act as if this is something new we have seen since Jan. Time to pull your head out of the sand. The media isn't worried about facts, they are worried about ratings.
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Wolfman wrote:I'm guessing your life is destroyed by this. T1B needs to set up a safe room for you all.
Actually, I find it pretty amusing.

Seems like you take it personally, though, whenever somebody points out how stupid your heroes are.
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Left Seater wrote:You act as if this is something new we have seen since Jan. Time to pull your head out of the sand. The media isn't worried about facts, they are worried about ratings.
Nothing new as far as the media is concerned.

What's unprecedented is an administration that takes the media's misinformation and treats it like it's somehow legitimate, just because it lines up with Trump's delusions.
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Shortey was also the Oklahoma state chair for Trump's campaign.
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Mikey wrote:Do we really have to put up with this for four years?
Yep. You do.
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It was a rhetorical question.
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Left Seater wrote:You act as if this is something new we have seen since Jan. Time to pull your head out of the sand. The media isn't worried about facts, they are worried about ratings.
Nothing new as far as the media is concerned.

What's unprecedented is an administration that takes the media's misinformation and treats it like it's somehow legitimate, just because it lines up with Trump's delusions.

Yeah never mind the previous administration(s) feeding misinformation or outright lies to the media themselves. Then treating it like it is legitimate.
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Here's the thing: After eight years of Clintonian shading of what the meaning of "is" is, Bush's inept handling and prosecution of the war, and then eight more years of Clintonian re-definings and shadings of common words by the most transparent administration EVAH11!!, I am reflexively suspicious when anybody says there is no evidence based on (fill in the blank) alphabet soup agency or bureau that anything occurred.

Was a FISA request asked for by someone in the Obama administration? Yes. Was it granted? Not for the first two attempts at it, no. Was it ethical for someone in the Obama administration to ask for some form of surveillance on Trump's staff/property/campaign when they are a member of the opposition party and in close proximity to Election Day? No. Is there any agency or bureau that has not already been politically weaponized by the Obama administration that could be trusted to impartially investigate Trump or his concerns without bias? Not to my knowledge.

This much we do know: Gen. Flynn was caught in a surveillance operation as a private citizen and his participation in such an operation is supposed to be scrubbed from the raw intel that the surveillance produces. If it involves criminal activity, the proper authority is supposed to handle it, i.e. the FBI. They didn't handle it, instead it went outside the closed loop where Constitutionally it is suppposed to by law remain.

Now, as a former serviceman, I have strong opinions on this matter in regard to Flynn and his son, who I believe behaved in a manner unbecoming of an officer and possibly even engaged in treason. Certainly selling his influence to Russians and Turks is unethical despite any wiggle room the law might give him while acting on Trump's behalf.

So what occurred? At this point we don't know and may never know due to the nature of intelligence operations and the regular use of deception such matters employ. But it is not beyond the pale to think that if someone, be that in the Obama administration or an alphabet soup agency says, "There was absolutely no wiretapping going on of the Trump campaign and it is raining outside," I'd still want to go outside and check to see if water is falling from the sky. Why? Because we have been taught, lo, over these past 24 years that nothing means what we as ordinary citizens think words and such mean. Is the speaker using the term "wiretapping" in a strict sense? Or is he using it as a catch-all to signify all types of surveillance? Is surveillance a term we can all agree is the act of physically watching someone? Or does it include electronic and digital vacuuming of broad spectrum media? If Obama says he can unequivocally say he did not order surveillance on Trump, does that include any and all minions of his, either in his direct employment or by extension, some faceless bureaucrat who fervently desires to do what he thinks Obama would want and wishes for plausible deniability? Does having the Brits do his dirty work for him fall under this venue?

You see, it all comes back to Obama is utterly untrustworthy in thought, word, and deed. He directly ordered the killing of an American citizen overseas without due process. How much more proof do we need that he would have no qualms about the mere surveillance of someone who he deemed a dire threat to both his legacy and the trajectory BHO had set America on?

Napalitano hasn't been to date a wild eyed conspiracy theorist, but has been an openly critical observer of the lawlessness of the Obama administration. I'd be willing to concede that Napalitano is a full-on Trump supporter, which, for me, means I weigh his opinions carefully before subscribing to them. At this point I see nothing which is blatantly wrong or misguided. He may have sources that we are unaware of and has not disclosed them. I just don't know. But if he says GCHQ had a hand in the surveillance of Trump and the Brits deny it, that doesn't categorically end the discussion, it just could very well mean the Brits don't want to be embarrassed by having been Obama's snitches-- something he's been very good at getting nations to do (see the UN resolution against Israel).

(Edit: In regards to gathering intel on everyone other than his own IRS agents, DOJ officials, and ICE bosses, Trump made a joke of Obama's surveillance of Angela Merkel today at their press conference. She looked rather nonplussed at his sense of humor.)
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... istration/

That's where I am on all of this right now. With everything that Wikileaks has published-- and I don't necessarily believe a word of it yet --complete and full-on surveillance that just happens to suck up information on your political opponent unbeknownst to the president who just happens to come across this during his daily briefings and just happens to have bureaucrats leak to to the press... well, I was born, but just not yesterday.
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God damn lefty...thought you were smarter then that...
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03 ... -says.html

It's beginning to look like it was a FISA request that vacuumed up intel on private citizens and was improperly disseminated. The next question that'll need answering is who asked for the warrant in the first place. Obama? We'll see.
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Rooster wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03 ... -says.html

It's beginning to look like it was a FISA request that vacuumed up intel on private citizens and was improperly disseminated. The next question that'll need answering is who asked for the warrant in the first place. Obama? We'll see.
"This is a normal, incidental collection, based on what I could collect," Nunes said. "This appears to be all legally collected foreign intelligence under" the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
Sounds like quite the conspiracy.
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Except that the information it contained was broadly disseminated to people who had no business knowing it. So, who has the most to gain from such a happening? Obama, naturally. It doesn't mean it was him, but it sure looks like it'd benefit him and his "legacy" mostest.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03 ... -says.html

If this is true, this will rock the political world to its' core. Obama will have gone full Nixon and everybody knows you never go full Nixon.

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More fake news.
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Not likely to happen. Republicans aren't going to give ground to Democrats after they refused to give Trump his cabinet appointees. I'll say this much for the Dems: They certainly paid attention to the GOP's playbook when they were the minority party. But thanks to Harry "One Eye" Reid, the point is moot.

My prediction is that it'll all come down to the economy. Trump can do whatever he likes in regard to The Wall, regulations, immigrants, federal agencies, and the budget as long as when Election Day rolls around the economy is humming, people are employed, and pay raises are being handed out. It matters not one wit if Bush/Obama was or wasn't responsible for the past eight years. What matters is what is now.
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This administration is a weapons-grade dumpster fire. C'est tres amuse.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03 ... -team.html

BAM! The only remaining question is, did Obama order it himself or did others do it for him thinking that he'd want it done, or was this someone acting entirely on their own volition due to a severe case of Obama fervor?
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Sounds to me like they were doing their patriotic duty. RACK the Obama administration.
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RACK the Obama administration for violating the law? Hmmm, spoken like a true partisan. I suppose you approve of Mr. Obama's killing of American citizens without due process too then. After all, what's a mere breaking of the law in regard to Michael Flynn when compared to the stomping and shredding of an American's plainly delineated Constitutional rights as spelled by the Bill of Rights?

You see, there is nothing anyone can do to gainsay me when it comes to Obama's flagrant disregard for the law after he killed al-Waliki and his son.
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Rooster wrote:RACK the Obama administration for violating the law?
"This is a normal, incidental collection, based on what I could collect," Nunes said. "This appears to be all legally collected foreign intelligence under" the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
Who is al-Waliki? Google turns up nada.


Meanwhile...
Dana Milbank wrote:WASHINGTON -- This, Mr. Speaker, is what you get for embracing Donald Trump.

When Paul Ryan, after a long Hamlet routine, decided to get behind Trump last year, he took a calculated risk that the erratic presidential candidate could become a vessel for the conservative policies the House speaker long aspired to implement. Instead, Ryan has become an enabler of Trump's chaotic and ethically challenged governance.

Trump gave Ryan little help in the House GOP's effort to replace Obamacare, and when that project collapsed last week in the biggest legislative failure in more than a decade, Trump included Ryan in those he blamed. Trump tweeted a plug for a Fox News show hours before the host made an on-air call for Ryan to resign.

Ryan, meanwhile, finds himself shielding Trump from an investigation into Trump's and his top advisers' ties to Russia. Ryan stands by the House Intelligence Committee chairman, Devin Nunes, who canceled a public hearing that could have embarrassed Trump after the White House stated its objection; went on a secret trip to White House grounds to gather what he considered exculpatory material and then released it publicly while keeping fellow committee members in the dark; and quarreled with the FBI for investigating Trump's Russia ties.

Ryan now finds himself tethered to a president with a 36 percent approval rating, while the House's legislative and investigative functions have collapsed. And Trump is talking about bypassing House conservatives and working with Democrats.

"I have talked about the need to go from being an opposition party to being a proposition party and a governing party," Ryan told reporters after the House GOP caucus's health-bill postmortem Tuesday morning. Chuckling, he added: "It may take a little bit more time."

Ryan approached the microphones with exaggerated good cheer, voicing a hearty "Hey, guys!" and attempting to josh with photographers about the days of Polaroid cameras. Ryan assured everybody the GOP meeting was "very, very good," and his deputies dutifully echoed him.

Caucus Chairwoman Cathy McMorris Rodgers pronounced herself "very optimistic." Majority Whip Steve Scalise found matters "very encouraging," and Kevin McCarthy, the perpetually tongue-tied majority leader, declared: "We had a very good conference, a conference that from a microcosm, people on all sides."

But this, er, microcosm of confidence could not withstand scrutiny.

NBC's Kasie Hunt asked if Nunes should recuse himself and whether Ryan knows the source Nunes met at the White House.

"No, and no," Ryan replied, without elaborating.

PBS' Lisa Desjardins asked when Ryan expected to return to health care legislation.

"I'm not going to put a timeline on it," he answered.

And that was about all the exposure Ryan's aides were willing for him to risk. "Last question!" one of them shouted from the back of the room.

You can see why Ryan would be inclined to go to ground. A self-styled policy wonk and anti-poverty conservative in the model of Jack Kemp, Ryan put his name behind a bill that would have denied 24 million people health insurance and given tax cuts to the rich.

GOP lawmakers emerging from the caucus meeting didn't quite share their leaders' buoyancy. "This was more of a listening session, shall we say, than a progress session," reported Greg Walden of Oregon, one of the authors of the failed bill.

Trent Franks of Arizona said the caucus faced a "tremendous conundrum," stuck between what his colleagues want and what can get through the Senate.

And Florida's Brian Mast put things in perspective with a funereal reference: "Another day over the dirt -- that's how you do it."

Suddenly, there was a commotion in the Capitol basement. "Here comes Nunes!" And there he was: the Trump ally and member of Trump's transition leadership who is using his chairmanship of the intelligence panel, which had enjoyed a reputation for bipartisanship, to shield the president. He has even tried to justify Trump's groundless claim that President Barack Obama put a wiretap on Trump Tower.

Journalists pursued him through the Capitol's bowels and then through the tunnel underneath Independence Avenue, pressing him on the canceled hearing and clandestine White House meeting. Nunes kept complaining:

"You guys always interview me."

"How many questions are you going to ask?"

"There's like 20 questions every day."

"Are you just going to keep asking the same question?"

(Answer: Yes, until they get answers.)

And, while questions are being asked, here's one the speaker might pose to himself: If he knew back then what his embrace of Trump would get him -- a legislative shipwreck, a caucus in disarray and congressional oversight reduced to farce -- would he have made the same choice?
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Bad speeling on my part. Anwar al-Awlaki.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki
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So he was an al Qaeda terrorist? Rack Obama for taking out the trash.

BTW, looks like your boy Trump killed al-Awlaki's 8-year-old daughter.
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Yes, I'd RACK Obama for icing a terrorist if-- if --he'd had just put al-Awlaki on trial in absentia or through a military tribunal, but no, he couldn't be bothered to do that because maybe al-Awlaki might be found innocent before a trial of his peers, you know, one of those things that the Bill of Rights mandates the government give you. It wasn't like Obama and Eric Holder had the time to do their due diligence and build a case against him, right? After all, Holder was constantly busy hounding white policemen and various states for doing things like keeping illegal aliens out of the country. That takes time and energy, mister, let me tell you! No time for stuff like developing a prosecutorial file and trying a terrorist for blatant acts of treason and terrorist acts. We've got to kill him... let's see, um, immediately a few years into Obama's presidency. Yep, no time whatsoever to do a legally sanctioned killing. None whatsoever. Just drone the shit out him while we've got the chance to do it. After all, al-Awlaki became a dire and ever-present threat against the United States overnight. No previous reason to drone before that instant some faceless airman pressed the trigger on Obama's personal say-so.
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As for Trump killing al-Awlaki's daughter, you understand the concept of collateral damage, right? I assume you have a modicum of common sense and brain power, and so recognize that when attacking non-US citizens who are the target of an operation against terrorists and there happens to be US citizens there unbeknownst to intelligence prior to the attack, that changes things a bit, hmmm? Please tell me that you understand this, Goober. While I get that we may be on different sides of the fence politically, that your progressive views didn't somehow damage your critical thinking skills. I'd be sad to be have been unwittingly beating up a mental invalid. I'm not sure I could sleep at night knowing I'd behaved so badly against a handicapped man.
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Yeah, we probably should have arrested Bin Laden and brought him back for trial, too.
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That, actually, was the plan.
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We're at war. People gonna die.
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More great ideas from Trumpty-Dumpty.
Medical research, infrastructure and community grants would be cut to pay for the border wall that President Donald Trump promised for months during his campaign.

The president is proposing immediate budget cuts of $18 billion so taxpayers can make the down payment on the wall, which he also vowed would be paid for by Mexico.

The White House documents were submitted to Congress amid negotiations over a catchall spending bill that would avert a partial government shutdown at the end of next month. The package would wrap up $1.1 trillion in unfinished spending bills and address the Trump administration's request for an immediate $30 billion in additional Pentagon spending.

The latest Trump proposal, disclosed Tuesday, would eliminate $1.2 billion in National Institutes of Health research grants, a favorite of both parties. The community development block grant program, also popular, would be halved, amounting to a cut of $1.5 billion, and Trump would strip $500 million from a popular grant program for transportation projects. Some of that money would help pay for parts of the wall.

Like Trump's 2018 proposed budget, which was panned by both Democrats and Republicans earlier this month, the proposals have little chance of being enacted.

But they could create bad political optics for the struggling Trump White House, since the administration asked earlier for $3 billion to pay for the Trump's controversial U.S.-Mexico border wall and other immigration enforcement plans. During the campaign, Trump repeatedly promised Mexico would pay for the wall, a claim the country has disputed.

"The administration is asking the American taxpayer to cover the cost of a wall — unneeded, ineffective, absurdly expensive — that Mexico was supposed to pay for, and he is cutting programs vital to the middle class to get that done," said Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y. "Build the wall or repair or build a bridge or tunnel or road in your community? What's the choice?"

The roster of cuts were sent to Capitol Hill as a set of options for GOP staff aides and lawmakers crafting a catchall spending bill for the ongoing budget year, which ends Sept. 30.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04 ... ealed.html

The strange thing? The Feebs let him go, scot-free.
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I only skimmed the story (consider the source). So he was given a pass during the Bush administration and it was left to Obama to take out the trash?
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No, during the Bush years the FBI was building a file on him as al-Waliki was developing a radical following online. It was decided that a case should be made against al-Waliki. The Obama administration comes into office, al-Waliki is brought in, is let go, he moves to Yemen, Obama drones him, depriving him of his due process and his life.

The point of all this is that this was an extrajudicial killing. No question al-Waliki needed to die, but only after he received everything due him as required by the Constitution. Instead, the Feebs nab him and either decide they didn't have enough to go on or they let him go to see who al-Waliki would lead them to. But the fact is, he wasn't out of pocket and unreachable or unprosecutable. Instead, they let him go and then kill him with no trial, civil or military. And Obama personally is responsible for killing an American citizen since these kind of drone attacks were required to go through him before weapon release was authorized.

There's no mystery here. There's no whodunit going on. Obama took the law into his own hands and killed-- in the eyes of the law --an innocent citizen. And his son. And nobody gives a shit, until maybe next time it's you or your family. It simply doesn't get any worse than this.
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Rack Obama for cleaning up the mess. Pretty sure I don't have to worry about this process leaking down to my family.
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Ah, so as long as it doesn't happen to you and yours, it's fine? Let's hope we don't catch you getting upset about the various injustices going on since, after all, they aren't likely to occur to you. Because that'd be kinda hypocritical of ya.
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Re: These people are weapons grade stupid

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I'll just try not to join Al Qaeda.
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Seems they rather just lay there, get fucked and play victim
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Re: These people are weapons grade stupid

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Just tell that to the 21,587 people whose cases are being overturned. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 ... conviction

Meh. These people probably deserved it, right? Most of 'em were probably guilty and so a little jail time did 'em some good.
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Here's to you not getting somehow entangled in a corruption case. Ach, what am I talking about? That hardly ever happens, right? After all what is the odds of being one of 21,587 people in a country made up of 320 million? A 1:14,823 chance! You can't help but be lucky with those odds!
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Re: These people are weapons grade stupid

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worth 1,000 words...maybe more

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