Doesn't this strike y'all as odd---

ML@Coyote · Post by **ML@Coyote** » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:09 pm

schmick wrote:If it was caused by their experience in our country, why do they behave the same way in African countries? Why do they kill each other in higher rates in Somalia, Nigeria, South Africa?
Or explain why the murder rate is so high in Jamaica? Or even why new immigrants to South Florida from Haiti are so violent towards each other? They weren't subject to Jim Crowe, segregation laws, Haiti had no boogeyman rednecks in white sheets.

You can not blame the plight of the black people on white people worldwide just because some blacks were slaves in the US 155 years ago

How come there were 5 million deaths in the Napoleonic Wars? Why did 600,000 die in our Civil War? How come there were 41 million casualties during the four years of World War I? How come there were 60 million deaths in World War II? And don't forget all the other wars white men have waged throughout history, most often against themselves. I don't think blacks have a monopoly on violence and murder. Maybe whites have proven themselves to be a little better organized over the years, but certainly no less violent.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:36 pm

ML@Coyote wrote:
schmick wrote:If it was caused by their experience in our country, why do they behave the same way in African countries? Why do they kill each other in higher rates in Somalia, Nigeria, South Africa?
Or explain why the murder rate is so high in Jamaica? Or even why new immigrants to South Florida from Haiti are so violent towards each other? They weren't subject to Jim Crowe, segregation laws, Haiti had no boogeyman rednecks in white sheets.

You can not blame the plight of the black people on white people worldwide just because some blacks were slaves in the US 155 years ago
How come there were 5 million deaths in the Napoleonic Wars? Why did 600,000 die in our Civil War? How come there were 41 million casualties during the four years of World War I? How come there were 60 million deaths in World War II? And don't forget all the other wars white men have waged throughout history, most often against themselves. I don't think blacks have a monopoly on violence and murder. Maybe whites have proven themselves to be a little better organized over the years, but certainly no less violent.

Whites have demonstrated that they are better at running functional societies, but it doesn't make them perfect by any stretch.

The question is, WTF do we do about it? Regardless of what you think about balcks, they are here in considerable numbers and unlike those goddamn pepperbellies, they didn't hop the fence. They were brought here in chains.

What we can do is treat them fairly, but when they act like savages, treat them as savages, just like we do savage folks of any skin pigment. If we continue to point the finger in every other direction, the problem will grow worse.

Joe in PB · Post by **Joe in PB** » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:15 pm

What we can do is shut down the NAACP who do nothing but make excuses and set the bar low for intercity blacks. Then fix the school system so all public schools are at a National standard. Things should improve over time, but it will be a while before all the lazy useless bums who think Americans owe them something just because they're black, die off.

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Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:18 pm

Joe in PB wrote:Then fix the school system so all public schools are at a National standard.

Yeah, FUCK that whole Tenth Amendment thingy.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:33 pm

schmick wrote: Name a city full of white residents where the white residents are constantly killing each other at the rate the blacks are in shitcago.

I live in the whitest major metro area in the country. Most of the homicides are committed by... blacks.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Oct 04, 2017 10:59 pm

schmick wrote:they have so few shootings in Australia since banning guns

Not "banned," but supposed to be stored at a gun club. There's just as many guns there now as there was before the buyback. They also really like to lie about "haven't ad a mass shooting since"... even though they've had plenty.

They're an arrogant lot.

ML@Coyote · Post by **ML@Coyote** » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:12 pm

Unless you simply believe that blacks are incapable of improving because they are inherently violent, you have to believe there is a way for them to improve their statistics. I live in a predominantly white county, so my own dealings with blacks is very limited. I will soon be moving to South Carolina where there a lots of blacks. Maybe my outlook will change then? I kind of hope not. The people I've met and talked to there so far don't lead me to believe my viewpoint will change much. But time will tell. Who knows? Maybe a year from now I'll be racking schmick and mvscal and chasing mvscals off my property.

Joe in PB · Post by **Joe in PB** » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:14 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
Joe in PB wrote:Then fix the school system so all public schools are at a National standard.
Yeah, FUCK that whole Tenth Amendment thingy.

There's a reason why the United States keeps failing behind scholastically, obviously what we're doing now isn't working.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/ ... ng-science

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/20 ... t-students

If I'm in the Navy stationed aboard a ship in Norfolk and transfer to San Diego on a different ship, with a different Captain, its same ole' Navy. That's the way public school should be.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:15 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
schmick wrote: Name a city full of white residents where the white residents are constantly killing each other at the rate the blacks are in shitcago.
I live in the whitest major metro area in the country. Most of the homicides are committed by... blacks.

And why do you think that is?

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:17 pm

Welfare society forced upon them by so called balck leader and Dems. What do I win?

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:18 pm

Dinsdale wrote: They also really like to lie about "haven't ad a mass shooting since"...

Use your words Grammar tard.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:19 pm

Left Seater wrote:Welfare society forced upon them by so called balck leader and Dems. What do I win?

Not even close. Let me guess, you voted for the orange pedobear.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:33 pm

"What we can do is treat them fairly, but when they act like savages, treat them as savages, just like we do savage folks of any skin pigment."
Fairly? When was that?
We treat all people acting savagely the same? Link?
So you recap: You are a racist POS.

ML@Coyote · Post by **ML@Coyote** » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:34 pm

Moving Sale wrote:
Left Seater wrote:Welfare society forced upon them by so called balck leader and Dems. What do I win?
Not even close. Let me guess, you voted for the orange pedobear.

Maybe LS is a lot closer than you think. Name some popular black leaders who encourage rather than complain. Describe how welfare teaches a work ethic, self worth and independence.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:37 pm

ML@Coyote wrote:
Moving Sale wrote:
Left Seater wrote:Welfare society forced upon them by so called balck leader and Dems. What do I win?
Not even close. Let me guess, you voted for the orange pedobear.
Maybe LS is a lot closer than you think. Name some popular black leaders who encourage rather than complain. Describe how welfare teaches a work ethic, self worth and independence.

Describe why they need it in disproportionate numbers? Lights turning on yet?
Describe how welfare teaches corporations a work ethic?

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:47 pm

Joe in PB wrote:There's a reason why the United States keeps failing behind scholastically, obviously what we're doing now isn't working.

So, since the Carter Administration said "FUCK the Tenth Amendment," education results have been slipping. And your solution is to keep doing the same thing, but double-down on it?

Unsmart.

How many students graduated from the US Department of Education High School last year? Same number as every year since its inception, right? Still sitting at exactly zero. But diverting funds from the states, so they can skim some off the top, then send whatever they see fit back to the states is a great idea.

If I'm in the Navy stationed aboard a ship in Norfolk and transfer to San Diego on a different ship, with a different Captain, its same ole' Navy. That's the way public school should be.

What a complete civics FAIL. One is in the US Constitution, one isn't. In fact, I can cite the part of the Constitution that says the feds controlling education is bullshit (but has yet to be challenged).

I'm of the mind that the people of **insert state name here** are quite capable of deciding what's best for their children, and how to fund it.

ML@Coyote · Post by **ML@Coyote** » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:52 pm

Moving Sale wrote:Describe why they need it in disproportionate numbers? Lights turning on yet?

The last time I was in South Carolina, we were watching the eclipse outside of our hotel and met a black woman and her son. The woman worked at the hotel, and her son was going to college to learn how to operate CAD systems. Should I have asked them why they weren't on welfare?

Describe how welfare teaches corporations a work ethic?

This has nothing to do with what we were talking about. You could just as well have asked, "How does welfare teach your dog to stop shitting in the laundry room?"

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:02 am

They might have been nice about you asking that but I doubt it. Not sure what your point is. As for CW, the point was that work ethic and welfare are independent. Sounds like you agree.

ML@Coyote · Post by **ML@Coyote** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:21 am

Moving Sale wrote:Not sure what your point is.

My point was that you don't have to be on welfare. This mother and son weren't looking for excuses, or complaining about how unfair everything was. They were simply looking for a way to find success in their lives.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:22 am

Dinsdale wrote:
Joe in PB wrote:Then fix the school system so all public schools are at a National standard.
Yeah, FUCK that whole Tenth Amendment thingy.

Wurd.

This country had a pretty Epcot school system before it got saddled with national standards.

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ML@Coyote · Post by **ML@Coyote** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:47 am

schmick wrote:
ML@Coyote wrote:Unless you simply believe that blacks are incapable of improving because they are inherently violent, you have to believe there is a way for them to improve their statistics. I live in a predominantly white county, so my own dealings with blacks is very limited. I will soon be moving to South Carolina where there a lots of blacks. Maybe my outlook will change then? I kind of hope not. The people I've met and talked to there so far don't lead me to believe my viewpoint will change much. But time will tell. Who knows? Maybe a year from now I'll be racking schmick and mvscal and chasing mvscals off my property.

I do not believe that race has anything to do with a races capability for improvement. There is no difference between a black person and myself besides the tone of a few mm of epidermis, and where the skin is the thickest, our skin is closer in color.
My issue is that certain members of the black community constantly enables idiotic behavior by others within that community by constantly blaming whitey. And worse than those black enablers are the white enablers who handcuff the black community through the racism of low expectations and then disguise themselves as friends of the black community.
Tough love is what's needed, treat people like you expect them to be equal instead of coddling them like you know they're not equal and let them step up.

I agree with that.

ML@Coyote · Post by **ML@Coyote** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:20 am

Good point. Here are some more. Don't know what their politics are, and a few I don't care for, but many seem like they're finding success in their chosen fields and passing their optimism along.

Softball Bat · Post by **Softball Bat** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:55 am

mvscal wrote:And, yes, blacks are inherently stupid.

Hint: You're not exactly a shining example of intelligence.

A person is stupid because he has black skin?

lol

Really?

Since you are a believer in evolution, tell us how it is that a given skin pigment development made people of this pigment... stupid.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:42 am

Moving Sale wrote: Describe why they need it in disproportionate numbers?

So called black leaders and Dems. This isn’t hard to follow.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:48 am

How is that even possible?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:52 am

schmick wrote:Blacks in Africa kill each other at the same rate if not higher than blacks in the US. That's supposed to because of racism too?
Somalia, Nigeria, South Africa, Swaziland.... some of the highest homicide rates in the world, white people to blame for that according to brain dead liberals

Apparently you never heard about the ill effects of 100 Years of colonialism and 300 years of the slave trade.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:55 am

BSmack wrote:
schmick wrote:Blacks in Africa kill each other at the same rate if not higher than blacks in the US. That's supposed to because of racism too?
Somalia, Nigeria, South Africa, Swaziland.... some of the highest homicide rates in the world, white people to blame for that according to brain dead liberals
Apparently you never heard about the ill effects of 100 Years of colonialism and 300 years of the slave trade.

Shhhh. That was the past. History doesn't matter.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:57 am

BSmack wrote:
schmick wrote:Blacks in Africa kill each other at the same rate if not higher than blacks in the US. That's supposed to because of racism too?
Somalia, Nigeria, South Africa, Swaziland.... some of the highest homicide rates in the world, white people to blame for that according to brain dead liberals
Apparently you never heard about the ill effects of 100 Years of colonialism and 300 years of the slave trade.

I was trying to ignore the stupid here.

But...

Somalia -- British
Nigeria -- British
South Africa -- Dutch/British
Swaziland (good pull) -- British

ML@Coyote · Post by **ML@Coyote** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:48 am

Moving Sale wrote:
BSmack wrote:
schmick wrote:Blacks in Africa kill each other at the same rate if not higher than blacks in the US. That's supposed to because of racism too?
Somalia, Nigeria, South Africa, Swaziland.... some of the highest homicide rates in the world, white people to blame for that according to brain dead liberals
Apparently you never heard about the ill effects of 100 Years of colonialism and 300 years of the slave trade.
Shhhh. That was the past. History doesn't matter.

For me it's like watching the Dr Phil show and listening to some middle aged woman cry and whine about her bad childhood and complain about how it has ruined every aspect of her life. Sure some people have had it tough. Some, very tough. And there's nothing wrong with recognizing one's history. But there comes a time when you just have to look forward and get on with your life. That isn't being callous. That's just being realistic.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:37 am

Not the best analogy but why stop there? Got PTSD? Rub some dirt in it and walk it off.
Some can of course. Some can't. But back to the actual topic. There are plenty of institutions and whatnot that perpetrated racism that still lingers. Buying and selling humans breaks up families. Families are the most important institution there is.
Something more current? Redlining built vast wealth for whites but not for blacks. Money matters. The ripple effect of redlining is seen today.
More current? Drug laws. People kill for drugs more when they are illegal than when they are legal. Chicago was a dangerous place in the 30's for this very reason. Cops don't investigate drug disputes. You handle them with a tommy gun.
And racist fucks like Mvspedokkkal and schdick are just more in a long line of POS racist whites. Well mvs isn't exactly white he is more of mutt, his racism speaks more to his self loathing than anything else.

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:09 am

Softball Bat wrote: A person is stupid because he has black skin?

No, their pigmentation is irrelevant. However, it is beyond any dispute that blacks are, on average, the dumbest fucks on planet earth. I understand the genetic deck is stacked against them but that is no excuse to act like wild animals. Yes, some people will have to work harder than others to overcome their inferior culture and genetics.

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/do ... 1&type=pdf

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... ou-smarter

mvscal · Post by **mvscal** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:21 am

ML@Coyote wrote:Unless you simply believe that blacks are incapable of improving

Of course they're capable of improving. Anybody is. Just stop fucking up. Stop murdering, raping, beating and stealing. Go to school, shut your monkey ass up and pay attention to the material. Get a job. Show up on time to your job. Actually do your job when you do show up.

This is really the bare minimum to function in our society and I don't think it's all that tough, do you? Or are we asking too much here?

Softball Bat · Post by **Softball Bat** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:52 am

mvscal wrote:No, their pigmentation is irrelevant. However, it is beyond any dispute that blacks are, on average, the dumbest fucks on planet earth. I understand the genetic deck is stacked against them

lol

Let's see.

In mvscalworld...

The genetic deck is stacked against blacks.
Blacks are the dumbest.
Skin pigment is irrelevant.

Skin pigment is irrelevant, yet mvscal, in his brilliance, has determined that it is those who have -----> black skin <----- who are genetically inferior.

The mvscal is very gifted at making a flaming dumb@ss of himself.

Innocent Bystander · Post by **Innocent Bystander** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:22 am

mvscal wrote:
ML@Coyote wrote:I thought my question was pretty clear. I asked, "Do you think there are problems because blacks are inherently bad, stupid, violent, and lazy? Or do you think it might have something to do with their unique experience in our country?"

I'm not expressing an opinion. I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from.

they are ignorant, fucked up pieces of shit who embrace a dysfunctional subculture that does not equip their children with competitive values. Education is despised, work ethic is nonexistent and their problems are blamed on everything and everybody except themselves.

Which portion of that do you not understand. And, yes, blacks are inherently stupid. That has been conclusively determined by IQ testing. That isn't a show stopper or an excuse for rolling around in your own shit as they do, though. It's not hard (even for idiots) to make a decent and respectable living in this country.

Their problem is that they have no values. They have no respect for anything yet will commit murder at the drop of a hat if they perceive themselves to be disrespected...as if they're entitled to any respect. The American niqqer is a worthless, fucking disgrace and THEY own that. Not "the white man." Whitey isn't stacking bodies like cordwood in the hood. Niqqers are. Dirt grubbing pepper bellies sneak across our border without even speaking the language and kick the economic shit out of your average ghetto rat.

Stop making excuses for these fuck ups.

Unban Pickle. Or ban mvscal.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:26 pm

Innocent Bystander wrote:Unban Pickle. Or ban mvscal.

They're not the same poster?

ML@Coyote · Post by **ML@Coyote** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:47 pm

mvscal wrote:Stop murdering, raping, beating and stealing.

In your rants, you make it sound like black people in general are criminal. While statistically they have a problem, the fact is that the overwhelming majority of blacks are law abiding citizens. There are approximately 1.2 million violent crimes committed each year in the US. There also happen to be 323 million citizens. When we talk about criminals and their behavior, we are talking about a very small minority of scum bags, not about any group of people in general.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:50 pm

Moving Sale wrote:Not the best analogy but why stop there? Got PTSD? Rub some dirt in it and walk it off.
Some can of course. Some can't. But back to the actual topic. There are plenty of institutions and whatnot that perpetrated racism that still lingers. Buying and selling humans breaks up families. Families are the most important institution there is.
Something more current? Redlining built vast wealth for whites but not for blacks. Money matters. The ripple effect of redlining is seen today.
More current? Drug laws. People kill for drugs more when they are illegal than when they are legal. Chicago was a dangerous place in the 30's for this very reason. Cops don't investigate drug disputes. You handle them with a tommy gun.
And racist fucks like Mvspedokkkal and schdick are just more in a long line of POS racist whites. Well mvs isn't exactly white he is more of mutt, his racism speaks more to his self loathing than anything else.

Families have not been broken up by the slave auctioneer for over 150 years. One hundred years after the last slave auction, the balck family unit, while nothing to write home about, had weathered slavery and real out in the open racism, reasonably well. More balck children were born into intact families than not. Then good ole' LBJ told balck women, you don't need that lazy nog, round the house. He ain't no good anyhow. Send him down the road and massa will send you a check. This is the real reason the balck family unit is fukked.

I am more or less in complete agreement with you regarding drugs. Legalize every bit of it, right now. Tax it, put the proceeds towards helping those that want to get the monkey off their backs and to hell with those intent on destroying themselves.

ML@Coyote · Post by **ML@Coyote** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:01 pm

ML@Coyote wrote:
mvscal wrote:Stop murdering, raping, beating and stealing.
In your rants, you make it sound like black people in general are criminal. While statistically they have a problem, the fact is that the overwhelming majority of blacks are law abiding citizens. There are approximately 1.2 million violent crimes committed each year in the US. There also happen to be 323 million citizens. When we talk about criminals and their behavior, we are talking about a very small minority of scum bags, not about any group of people in general.

PS: Dumbshits who condone 50 year old men fucking 15 year old girls ought to think twice before labeling an entire race of people as being dolts and miscreants. Just sayin'...

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:07 pm

Holic
I think your facts are wack on welfare but let's say you are right. That would mean a bunch of white people worked to help fuck up their lives. Way to prove my point.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:28 pm

Moving Sale wrote:Holic
I think your facts are wack on welfare but let's say you are right. That would mean a bunch of white people worked to help fuck up their lives. Way to prove my point.

You are absolutely correct. A buncha white folk such as LBJ are partially responsible for the plight of the balck family today.

Where we differ is in what we can do to correct it.