Does Soccer have an NIT?

[smackaholic]

Maybe the US and Italia will meet up in it.

Poor fukking dagos. The shower rods will be getting a workout over there.

The US doesn't make the WC? Nobody gives a fukk. But Italy? This is like Brazil not making it.

Wonder how many will end up sleeping with the fishes over this?

[Wolfman]

I didn't really know there is an NCAA Soccer.

http://www.ncaa.com/sports/soccer-men/d1

[BSmack]

Italy was in a state of shock, dismay and bitter recrimination on Tuesday after the national football team failed to qualify for the World Cup for the first time since 1958.

Italy were eliminated from next year’s tournament in Russia after a scoreless draw against Sweden in Milan on Monday night produced a 1-0 aggregate loss in a two-leg play-off.

Pulling no punches, newspapers likened the humiliation to Caporetto, a disastrous battle in the First World War in which Italian forces were routed by the Austro-Hungarian army.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/201 ... up-finals/

Yikes.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

...football...

[Dr_Phibes]

Big deal, more important - Chile's gone aswell. If you watched them play over the past four years you'd be flabbergasted.

[Derron]

I

Italy were eliminated from next year’s tournament in Russia after a scoreless draw against Sweden in Milan on Monday night produced a 1-0 aggregate loss in a two-leg play-off.

When a scoreless draw determines who goes home, that means you have a fucked up sport. You all run around like a bunch of goddamn idiots for an hour and a half, nobody scores yet somebody loses. Fucked up.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

When a scoreless draw determines who goes home, that means you have a fucked up sport.

Sort of like the Battle Of Kursk.

[BSmack]

Quick! Somebody get Euroclone to explain the concept of an aggregate match to Derron.

[Carson]

The Netherlands is out, too.

Germany will roll.

[smackaholic]

Uhhh ohhh, the last time the Huns went on a roll it didn't end well.

[Derron]

Quick! Somebody get Euroclone to explain the concept of an aggregate match to Derron

Don't bother. No fucks given about anything soccer from me. Soccer and all its followers can all fuck the fuck off. The Portland filthy hipster millennials all ran a great MLB AAA team out of town and replaced it with the Portland Timbers, whose mascot is some dude named Timber Joey who saws logs.

The hipster millennials don't understand that part of it since it represents work, something they have no clue about.

[Screw_Michigan]

Quick! Somebody get Euroclone to explain the concept of an aggregate match to Derron

Don't bother. No fucks given about anything soccer from me. Soccer and all its followers can all fuck the fuck off. The Portland filthy hipster millennials all ran a great MLB AAA team out of town and replaced it with the Portland Timbers, whose mascot is some dude named Timber Joey who saws logs.

The hipster millennials don't understand that part of it since it represents work, something they have no clue about.

Is there anything you aren't a bitter fuck about?

[BSmack]

Quick! Somebody get Euroclone to explain the concept of an aggregate match to Derron

Don't bother. No fucks given about anything soccer from me. Soccer and all its followers can all fuck the fuck off. The Portland filthy hipster millennials all ran a great MLB AAA team out of town and replaced it with the Portland Timbers, whose mascot is some dude named Timber Joey who saws logs.

The hipster millennials don't understand that part of it since it represents work, something they have no clue about.

That's epic. Meanwhile here in Rochester, thanks to historically bad mismanagement, our USL soccer team is on the brink of implosion and the 10 year old soccer specific facility that was built for the team will likely spend the foreseeable future hosting High School football and not much else. For some reason suburbanites don't want to go to a facility in a run-down urban neighborhood with inadequate parking. Shocker.

[Left Seater]

Meanwhile here in Rochester, thanks to historically bad mismanagement, our USL soccer team is on the brink of implosion and the 10 year old soccer specific facility that was built for the team will likely spend the foreseeable future hosting High School football and not much else. For some reason suburbanites don't want to go to a facility in a run-down urban neighborhood with inadequate parking. Shocker.

Social engineering and sports has failures across the country. Here in San Antonio the Spurs facility was built east of downtown in a historically minority neighborhood. The thought was it would bring changes to the hood with infrastructure improvements and jobs. The claimed bars and restaurants around the arena have never materialized. Instead the bars and restaurants have popped up along the interstate about 3 miles away where people exit. That area has exploded. The area around the arena continues to decline.

[BSmack]

The trouble with this stadium is that there's been no attempts to change the neighborhood around the stadium. There are literally boarded-up buildings right across the street from the stadium that should be housing restaurants and bars that stadium visitors can go to after the match.

There is no transit to the stadium other than by car and the parking is grossly insufficient. The few times that Stadium has actually drawn a capacity crowd, it has resulted in a parking nightmare.

The whole project is a clusterfuck enabled by one of the worst mayors Rochester has ever had.

[Screw_Michigan]

Social engineering and sports has failures across the country. Here in San Antonio the Spurs facility was built east of downtown in a historically minority neighborhood. The thought was it would bring changes to the hood with infrastructure improvements and jobs. The claimed bars and restaurants around the arena have never materialized. Instead the bars and restaurants have popped up along the interstate about 3 miles away where people exit. That area has exploded. The area around the arena continues to decline.

Geez, is there anything Texas doesn't fuck up? Even Detroit didn't fuck up arena-centered urban renewal.

[Left Seater]

Trying to further your agenda or just jealous Screwy? You ignore Rochester with the same issue and jump on SAT.

B- sounds like some of the buildings around the stadium should be leveled to create more parking. Transit doesn't work for many people when it comes to sporting events except in specific situations where mass transit is fully built out. When a weekday game is over who wants to ride a bus or subway to some spot to get in your car to then drive home?

[BSmack]

Trying to further your agenda or just jealous Screwy? You ignore Rochester with the same issue and jump on SAT.

B- sounds like some of the buildings around the stadium should be leveled to create more parking. Transit doesn't work for many people when it comes to sporting events except in specific situations where mass transit is fully built out. When a weekday game is over who wants to ride a bus or subway to some spot to get in your car to then drive home?

I would absolutely agree. More parking, area beautification and some venues for pre/post game entertainment. It would have been a hit then.

[Screw_Michigan]

Trying to further your agenda or just jealous Screwy?

Why would I be jealous? I live in a thriving metropolis that is the gold standard for proper arena-centered redevelopment. Just because you tards in SAT (and apparently Crapchester) don't know what you're doing isn't my fault.

[Left Seater]

Because you live in the cesspool that is DC.

And great it worked in DC because the transit infrastructure was already in place and people don’t want to drive there to begin with. In other places people prefer their own vehicle and not having hours long traffic jams.

[smackaholic]

It works in DC because DC is a tax dollar black hole. The amount of wealth in the beltway, not one fukking dime of it actually created there, is breathtaking.

Enjoy it while you can though, the rest of the country is getting weary of delivering boxcars full of cash there.

As for Northeastern small cities trying to revitalize themselves with one grandiose project after another, just fukking stop. Ct has been doing it to Hartford for 40 years or more. It hasn't worked. It won't work. The only way to actually revitalize these places is to give middle class families a reason to move back. 90% poor people, 10% rich yuppies/hipsters is not going to do it.

[Screw_Michigan]

Because you live in the cesspool that is DC.

And great it worked in DC because the transit infrastructure was already in place and people don’t want to drive there to begin with. In other places people prefer their own vehicle and not having hours long traffic jams.

Grand Rapids is as conservative as SAT and it didn't fuck up arena-centered development and the mass transit in GR is god awful. What do you have to say now? Van Andel Arena is the #1 mid-sized venue in the nation, and it completely rejuvenated downtown GR. Yet everyone has to drive.

SAT could have it, too.

[Screw_Michigan]

It works in DC because DC is a tax dollar black hole. The amount of wealth in the beltway, not one fukking dime of it actually created there, is breathtaking.

Are you fucking kidding? Six million people live here in the metro area (and 2.5 million more with Bmore), there are plenty private sector businesses and employers. Sure, the federal government is and always will be the economic engine, but the DC employment market is very diverse in the burbs.

You sound like one of these fucking rubes who come here and thinks everyone who lives in The District (TM) works for the feds.

[Dr_Phibes]

As for Northeastern small cities trying to revitalize themselves with one grandiose project after another, just fukking stop. Ct has been doing it to Hartford for 40 years or more. It hasn't worked. It won't work. The only way to actually revitalize these places is to give middle class families a reason to move back. 90% poor people, 10% rich yuppies/hipsters is not going to do it.

Maybe they just have to bottom out? I don't know, but I like to think I'm well versed on the subject - I've got this weird thing about post-industrial decay. Buffalo should be your case study and there's a few more aside. Don't think there's any formal rules to revitalisation, just circumstance/happen-stance and the right people at the right time?

All those communities have their own nuances.

[smackaholic]

It works in DC because DC is a tax dollar black hole. The amount of wealth in the beltway, not one fukking dime of it actually created there, is breathtaking.

Are you fucking kidding? Six million people live here in the metro area (and 2.5 million more with Bmore), there are plenty private sector businesses and employers. Sure, the federal government is and always will be the economic engine, but the DC employment market is very diverse in the burbs.

You sound like one of these fucking rubes who come here and thinks everyone who lives in The District (TM) works for the feds.

Of course there are plenty of small private sector businesses there. THey are there to cater to that "economic engine" as you like to call it. The rest of us call it the place all our tax dollars go to die, along with an untold amount of money borrowed from the chinks.

[Screw_Michigan]

Sucks to be you and the CT shithole you live in. Now fuck off...

[smackaholic]

It does suck that my state, which used to be the economic envy of the nation has been run into the fiscal ground. If it were solely up to me, I'd have been out of here years ago. Hopefully it will get ita shit together one of these days, but I'm not holding my breath.

[BSmack]

As for Northeastern small cities trying to revitalize themselves with one grandiose project after another, just fukking stop. Ct has been doing it to Hartford for 40 years or more. It hasn't worked. It won't work. The only way to actually revitalize these places is to give middle class families a reason to move back. 90% poor people, 10% rich yuppies/hipsters is not going to do it.

Maybe they just have to bottom out? I don't know, but I like to think I'm well versed on the subject - I've got this weird thing about post-industrial decay. Buffalo should be your case study and there's a few more aside. Don't think there's any formal rules to revitalisation, just circumstance/happen-stance and the right people at the right time?

All those communities have their own nuances.

I hear there's a nice-sized Bangladeshi population living in and around Broadway that has done wonders for the old houses there. And of course PBR drinking hipsters have invaded.

[Screw_Michigan]

So I read a good story on the lack of development around AT&T Center.

http://www.expressnews.com/real-estate/ ... 306272.php

Sounds like SAT really screwed up by not putting it downtown. You have to have the density and make people want to live in the neighborhood to have successful arena-centered redevelopment. The AT&T Center is a lot like the Palace in Metro Detroit--a neighborhood designed to make it easy for people to arrive, park, and leave. That's it.

[Screw_Michigan]

http://www.democratandchronicle.com/sto ... 871613001/

Sounds like the Rhinos need to stop marketing exclusively to suburban families and instead start marketing to the urban populations that inhabit the city. Much like Detroit City FC has in Detroit.

[BSmack]

That would be a help Screwy. Investing in youth soccer in the city would be a good thing too. Around these parts suburban schools dominate soccer. But it's probably too late for this iteration of Rochester soccer.

[smackaholic]

There is only one time when urban HS soccer does well, when it has a recent influx of foreigners. Hartford had such an influx in the mid 70s from Portugal after someone there decided it would be a good idea to go commie in the early 70s.

Many of my friends in junior/senior high were right off the boat. Hartford High won the states my freshman year and were contenders my whole way through. As good as the rich suburban soccer programs were, they just don't hold a candle to what kids from the old country learned just playing pickup games in their neighborhoods. Our starters were almost all Portugese along with a kid from Peru and a Jamaican or two. My Senior year we had an exchange student from Holland that was even better than most of the Portuguese.

That population has melted in pretty well, moved to the suburbs and many of their kids play baseball because 'muricuh!!!

And HPHS is back to sucking at soccer and the rich 'burbs are back to dominating it.

I think the latest problems with the political bullshit and concussion worries may just be enough for soccer to finally get accepted as a "real sport".

I hope it does, because as much fun as it is to pick on euro sahkah fag, it is a pretty fukking awesome sport.

[Left Seater]

So I read a good story on the lack of development around AT&T Center.

http://www.expressnews.com/real-estate/ ... 306272.php

Sounds like SAT really screwed up by not putting it downtown. You have to have the density and make people want to live in the neighborhood to have successful arena-centered redevelopment. The AT&T Center is a lot like the Palace in Metro Detroit--a neighborhood designed to make it easy for people to arrive, park, and leave. That's it.

The smart play would have been to put it downtown. Three interstate highways within a mile make for easy access. Unfortunately some decided that if you build it they will come to the hood. Turns out that those social engineers were wrong. There is plenty going on downtown so adding the arena there wouldn't do much but lengthen lines for the downtown bars and restaurants, but it likely would have separated more money from people than having it in the hood.

[Dr_Phibes]

I hear there's a nice-sized Bangladeshi population living in and around Broadway that has done wonders for the old houses there. And of course PBR drinking hipsters have invaded.

Strangely think there's more depth and history to it.
But more bewildering, why is the communist sticking up for the seemingly successful transition to a service economy and the Bourgeois Liberal crying about the Pakis and disposable income? Self-criticism for you, Hillary.

[BSmack]

Phibes, I'll be interested to see how far this Buffalo Renaissance goes when the younger professional class starts to breed. Urban revitalization always has to deal with white people not wanting to put their kids in city schools.

The same thing happens here in Rochester. Young professionals move to hip neighborhoods in the city, get married, and have children. As soon as those kids get close to 5 years old, the parents bug the fuck out to the burbs. So even though the population of the city of Rochester is fairly evenly mixed racially, the Rochester City schools are close to 90% minority.

[smackaholic]

2 words.

School vouchers.

Trouble is, the teacher unions, who own the democratic party, won't have it.

You'll say "it takes money away from the public schools.

So fukking what?

Northeastern urban schools have been buried in cash for decades, with nothing to show for it. The problem is the disfunctional families. No matter what you spend, those kids are doomed.

When there is an option to put kids privately run schools, be they religious or secular, those yuppies will give it a look, and, more importantly, the poor familiies that aren't a fukking trainwreck, will have a means of getting their child a good education.

[BSmack]

I was thinking of a realistic solution 'holic. They've already started doing some charter schools in Rochester with some very underwhelming results. I don't need my tax money going to religious schools.

A better solution would be metro schools that allow parents to choose schools based on the need of their children within the Metro school system.

We already do something sort of like that called the urban-suburban program. It allows Suburban kids who qualify to go to City Schools, like Edison Tech and city kids who want to escape the city can go to Suburban schools.

[smackaholic]

I was thinking of a realistic solution 'holic. They've already started doing some charter schools in Rochester with some very underwhelming results. I don't need my tax money going to religious schools.

A better solution would be metro schools that allow parents to choose schools based on the need of their children within the Metro school system.

We already do something sort of like that called the urban-suburban program. It allows Suburban kids who qualify to go to City Schools, like Edison Tech and city kids who want to escape the city can go to Suburban schools.

I will never understand the liberal hatred of all things religious. The Catholic Church fukks up plenty of things, but they have a pretty damn good track record of running elementary and high schools. And they do it cheaper than public schools.

And they are not turning out brainwashed holy rollers.

BTW, my religious views are "highly doubtful agnostic".


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[Dinsdale]

I will never understand the liberal hatred of all things religious.

This is a great example of YHKYOA.

So, following the Constitution, and certainly the original intent of the Founders, is a "liberal" stance?

Care to back up and take another run at that one?

[BSmack]

'Holic,

Why do you hate The Establishment Clause?