What's going on?

[Bucmonkey]

More and more scary...still in the protocol? /plane crash

[Softball Bat]

All well and good except for the fact that you say you support the release of the memo but have no reason to call out the Dems yet. What? Not a single Dem voted in favor of releasing this info. Instead you want to call out the President for his lack of comment on Twitter. Again misplaced effort.

If Trump were to block this release then call him out.

You are a hack.

The R's are screaming bloody murder over this memo -- and the R president, who is prolific on Twitter, has said nothing on Twitter about the vote to release it.

It's a curious situation and I merely NOTED IT.


Neither of us has seen the memo, Seater.

Until we do, I can't call out the DIms specifically anymore than I can call out the R's.


You view everything through the "R is good, D is bad" lens.

I don't.

[Softball Bat]

Talk about unhinged...









Wow.






#decaf

[Left Seater]

Wrong softball. You view everything Trump thru a bad lens. This isn’t one of the times you should be.

If you think the memo should be released then the only way to view the Dems action is with question.

[Softball Bat]

[Left Seater]

So that is a win for you Softball. Trump says he won't block release of the memo.


What is the deal with your obsession?

[Softball Bat]

Nothing has been released and neither of us have seen the memo.

You've scolded the DIms for voting to block it.
What if Don blocks it?
lol



The video there is interesting, so I posted it.

[Softball Bat]

[Left Seater]

Nothing to comment on, unless and until the Don blocks it. At this point the obstructionist all have a D after their name.

[Mikey]

At this point the obstructionist all have a D after their name.

Except, of course, for all those R's in the US Senate, the FBI and the State Department.

I guess Faux and Friends aren't mentioning any of that.

Senate GOP leader cautions Nunes on FBI memo
“I think the Senate Intelligence Committee needs to see it, for sure. Sen. Burr would like to see it and hasn’t been able to yet,” Thune said, arguing that the Senate Intelligence Committee should be apprised before the document becomes available to the public.

“There are important national security considerations they need to weigh, and hopefully they’re doing that,” he said.

Thune also said that Nunes should heed the concerns of FBI Director Christopher Wray about divulging information about the agency’s sources and methods.

“They have to take into consideration what the FBI is saying, and if there are things that need to be redacted, I think they need to pay careful attention to what our folks who protect us have to say about how this bears on our national security,” he said.

Thune also urged Nunes to release the Democratic memo if he goes ahead and makes public the Republican-authored document.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3717 ... n-fbi-memo

[Goober McTuber]

FBI Director Christopher Wray is forcing the Trump White House to choose between the national interest and President Donald Trump's political hide.

Wray's formal opposition to the release of a secret partisan memo, supported by Republicans critical of the bureau, also sets the stage for a showdown over the future of the nation's most revered law enforcement agency which, before Trump, enjoyed longstanding support from the GOP.

Only Trump could separate the law-and-order party, as the Republicans have been known as for decades, from the FBI. He has done this as part of his larger effort to delegitimize all who have participated in various probes of Russian efforts to influence the 2016 election and other violations of criminal and civil law they might uncover.

According to Politico, Trump decided in mid-January that he would attack his own administration's Justice Department and FBI in response to the Robert Mueller probe. (The FBI provides resources for Mueller and the second-in-command at the Justice Department, Rod Rosenstein, supervises him.) "President Trump has started the clock on the Rosenstein firing watch," GOP strategist Evan Siegfried told Politico. "This is feeding the private discussions in the GOP about the President's state of mind."

Days after Siegfried spoke, Republicans in the House of Representatives made clear their intentions to join the President no matter where his mind resides. Devin Nunes, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, asked his aides to write a memo criticizing the FBI's handling of requests for a warrant related to investigating Russian election interference. This four-page document, based on reams of classified material, is widely believed to be a highly political and selective use of information intended to discredit the agency and, by extension, Mueller's work.

Nunes entered this episode with a reputation tarnished by a misadventure that found him racing to the White House last March, in the dead of night, to supposedly "confirm what I already knew" about the supposed "wiretapping" of Trump's phone by the previous administration. This harebrained notion was disproved and Nunes suddenly stepped away from leading his committee's Russian work. Now he's back, with his four-page memo, which he apparently signed without actually reading the underlying material himself.

But for his efforts to aid Trump's campaign against the investigation of the Russia controversy, few Americans would know the name Devin Nunes. Now he's known as the main congressional enabler of the President push-back campaign. He has been diminished by this alliance, as so many are when they go near Trump.

As a uniquely disruptive political figure, Trump has resisted fully acknowledging the seriousness of the Russian election meddling and subsequent evidence that his associates -- notably his son Donald Jr., former national security adviser Michael Flynn, and attorney general Jeff Sessions -- met and may have aided Russian agents. He abruptly fired Wray's predecessor, former FBI Director James Comey.

At the center of the conflict stand the wildly unreliable and erratic Trump and special counsel Mueller, a Republican who enjoys esteem across the political spectrum. With the arrest of former Trump campaign operatives Paul Manafort and George Papadopoulos, Mueller signaled the seriousness of his endeavor. Trump, who has long fumed angrily over the investigation and scandal, has responded by stepping up his campaign of denigration and disruption.

As The New York Times reported January 25, Trump actually ordered the firing of Mueller, offering thinly constructed complaints about supposed conflicts of interest, only to back off of the demand when his White House counsel threatened to resign.

Days later came a report that Trump is talking privately about the notion that the Justice Department could somehow turn the tables and prosecute Mueller. According to Howard Fineman of NBC News, a Trump adviser said, "Here's how it would work: 'We're sorry, Mr. Mueller, you won't be able to run the federal grand jury today because he has to go testify to another federal grand jury.'"

Extreme as a direct legal attack on Mueller may seem, the prospect seems more likely when one considers that stunts like the Nunes memo and the President's attempt to fire the special counsel last year.

Here it's helpful to consider that Donald Trump came of age during the Nixon years, when the president proved unable to shut down an FBI investigation of the Watergate break-in and ultimately resigned over the attempted coverup. And our current President was tutored in the political arts by Nixon loyalist Roger Stone, who, like others, believe Nixon shouldn't have been impeached. (Stone has said that John Dean, the Watergate whistleblower, "perpetrated a fraud" against Nixon.)

The lesson learned by extreme Nixonites was that their guy should have fought harder. Trump, who loves to talk about himself as a fighter, isn't making that mistake. For this reason, we should expect more of the same, including the release of the Nunes memo, the possible resignation of Christopher Wray, and a deepening crisis for the nation. All of this in service to one man's state of mind.

[Derron]

FBI Director Christopher Wray is forcing the Trump White House to choose between the national interest and President Donald Trump's political hide.

Wray's formal opposition to the release of a secret partisan memo, supported by Republicans critical of the bureau, also sets the stage for a showdown over the future of the nation's most revered law enforcement agency which, before Trump, enjoyed longstanding support from the GOP.

Only Trump could separate the law-and-order party, as the Republicans have been known as for decades, from the FBI. He has done this as part of his larger effort to delegitimize all who have participated in various probes of Russian efforts to influence the 2016 election and other violations of criminal and civil law they might uncover.

According to Politico, Trump decided in mid-January that he would attack his own administration's Justice Department and FBI in response to the Robert Mueller probe. (The FBI provides resources for Mueller and the second-in-command at the Justice Department, Rod Rosenstein, supervises him.) "President Trump has started the clock on the Rosenstein firing watch," GOP strategist Evan Siegfried told Politico. "This is feeding the private discussions in the GOP about the President's state of mind."

Days after Siegfried spoke, Republicans in the House of Representatives made clear their intentions to join the President no matter where his mind resides. Devin Nunes, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, asked his aides to write a memo criticizing the FBI's handling of requests for a warrant related to investigating Russian election interference. This four-page document, based on reams of classified material, is widely believed to be a highly political and selective use of information intended to discredit the agency and, by extension, Mueller's work.

Nunes entered this episode with a reputation tarnished by a misadventure that found him racing to the White House last March, in the dead of night, to supposedly "confirm what I already knew" about the supposed "wiretapping" of Trump's phone by the previous administration. This harebrained notion was disproved and Nunes suddenly stepped away from leading his committee's Russian work. Now he's back, with his four-page memo, which he apparently signed without actually reading the underlying material himself.

But for his efforts to aid Trump's campaign against the investigation of the Russia controversy, few Americans would know the name Devin Nunes. Now he's known as the main congressional enabler of the President push-back campaign. He has been diminished by this alliance, as so many are when they go near Trump.

As a uniquely disruptive political figure, Trump has resisted fully acknowledging the seriousness of the Russian election meddling and subsequent evidence that his associates -- notably his son Donald Jr., former national security adviser Michael Flynn, and attorney general Jeff Sessions -- met and may have aided Russian agents. He abruptly fired Wray's predecessor, former FBI Director James Comey.

At the center of the conflict stand the wildly unreliable and erratic Trump and special counsel Mueller, a Republican who enjoys esteem across the political spectrum. With the arrest of former Trump campaign operatives Paul Manafort and George Papadopoulos, Mueller signaled the seriousness of his endeavor. Trump, who has long fumed angrily over the investigation and scandal, has responded by stepping up his campaign of denigration and disruption.

As The New York Times reported January 25, Trump actually ordered the firing of Mueller, offering thinly constructed complaints about supposed conflicts of interest, only to back off of the demand when his White House counsel threatened to resign.

Days later came a report that Trump is talking privately about the notion that the Justice Department could somehow turn the tables and prosecute Mueller. According to Howard Fineman of NBC News, a Trump adviser said, "Here's how it would work: 'We're sorry, Mr. Mueller, you won't be able to run the federal grand jury today because he has to go testify to another federal grand jury.'"

Extreme as a direct legal attack on Mueller may seem, the prospect seems more likely when one considers that stunts like the Nunes memo and the President's attempt to fire the special counsel last year.

Here it's helpful to consider that Donald Trump came of age during the Nixon years, when the president proved unable to shut down an FBI investigation of the Watergate break-in and ultimately resigned over the attempted coverup. And our current President was tutored in the political arts by Nixon loyalist Roger Stone, who, like others, believe Nixon shouldn't have been impeached. (Stone has said that John Dean, the Watergate whistleblower, "perpetrated a fraud" against Nixon.)

The lesson learned by extreme Nixonites was that their guy should have fought harder. Trump, who loves to talk about himself as a fighter, isn't making that mistake. For this reason, we should expect more of the same, including the release of the Nunes memo, the possible resignation of Christopher Wray, and a deepening crisis for the nation. All of this in service to one man's state of mind.

Are you fucking drunk ?? Who is going to read that shit ???

[Softball Bat]

James Comey @Comey

All should appreciate the FBI speaking up. I wish more of our leaders would.
But take heart: American history shows that, in the long run, weasels and
liars never hold the field, so long as good people stand up. Not a lot of schools
or streets named for Joe McCarthy.





Weasels and liars.

:)

[Carson]

Sure got slow on this board after the memo was released.

[Goober McTuber]

Fake facts.

[Moving Sale]

Sure got slow on this board after the memo was released.

I was thinking the same thing. Where are all the wackos who were saying this was a bombshell not the meh it actually is?

[BSmack]

Sure got slow on this board after the memo was released.

Nobody cares

[Mikey]

Deep State.

[Softball Bat]

Sure got slow on this board after the memo was released.

I was thinking the same thing. Where are all the wackos who were saying this was a bombshell not the meh it actually is?

It's not a bombshell.

It's not a meh, either.

The water is very muddy.

What this does is greatly intensify the divide between right and left.

Destabilization is increased.