Poptart's hero...

[Derron]

Derron, if you think I am a David Koresh type, it should be pretty easy for you to shut me down.

I would have to give a fuck about what you write, and I would have actually read your swill to waste my time responding to a mentally ill simpleton ranting about a flat earth. That is not going to happen, but go ahead and find some stupid ass link or picture to formulate your next insane rant.

[Softball Bat]

My posts in this thread are for the Christians, Derron.

Are you one?

The "insane" things I have posted are what is written in the Bible.


So yeah...

Good luck to you.

[BSmack]

The "insane" things I have posted are what is written in the Bible.

[Jay in Phoenix]

The "insane" things I have posted are what is written in the Bible.

Uh, yeaaahhh. Even with the " ", you might want to re-think that line poptart.

Little bit Freudian. Indeed.

[Derron]

My posts in this thread are for the Christians, Derron.

Are you one?

Why ?? Is that some kind of thing to engage in a dialog with you ? Or just another one of you judgmental mother fuckers who think they are better that others because you interpret something in a book ?

What ever set of moral beliefs or compass a person has to live their life by does not have to have a label like you 'Christians". I have met a lot of "Christians" who while putting on an appearance of being "moral and upright" and "Bible reading" God fearing and would fuck their best friends daughter in a heart beat, cheat their business partner or anybody they could, and smile the whole time.

Spare us the " Are you a Christian" bullshit but keep posting your crack induced shit so we can have somebody to plunger until Moving Bitch comes back.

[atmdad]

Pop, I am not calling God a liar. I am saying I do not understand or think the passages are as clear as you think they are. I can not suspend what I know is to be true, which is that the earth is a spherical shaped planet in a large universe. This leads me to the conclusion that the first few verses in Genesis (not to mention many others scattered throughout the entire Bible) are beyond my comprehension as simple as they appear. On the other hand you come across fairly arrogant in thinking you know exactly want God meant in those verses and are willing to disregard almost 500 years of scientific discovery in the process.

I do agree with you on your answer to my question.

[Softball Bat]

My posts in this thread are for the Christians, Derron.

Are you one?

Why ?? Is that some kind of thing to engage in a dialog with you ? Or just another one of you judgmental mother fuckers who think they are better that others because you interpret something in a book ?

What ever set of moral beliefs or compass a person has to live their life by does not have to have a label like you 'Christians". I have met a lot of "Christians" who while putting on an appearance of being "moral and upright" and "Bible reading" God fearing and would fuck their best friends daughter in a heart beat, cheat their business partner or anybody they could, and smile the whole time.

Spare us the " Are you a Christian" bullshit but keep posting your crack induced shit so we can have somebody to plunger until Moving Bitch comes back.

You're not doing very well here, Derron.

I asked for Christians on this board to offer their take on 3 passages from Scripture.

It's really nothing to flip out about.
lol

If you are a Christian and would like to offer a take on those passages, have at it.

Those passages CLEARLY do not speak of the heliocentric model.

So what gives?

[Softball Bat]

Pop, I am not calling God a liar. I am saying I do not understand or think the passages are as clear as you think they are. I can not suspend what I know is to be true, which is that the earth is a spherical shaped planet in a large universe. This leads me to the conclusion that the first few verses in Genesis (not to mention many others scattered throughout the entire Bible) are beyond my comprehension as simple as they appear. On the other hand you come across fairly arrogant in thinking you know exactly want God meant in those verses and are willing to disregard almost 500 years of scientific discovery in the process.

1. I have asked for people to post proof of the globe and it has not shown up on the board. So I am simply not in agreement AT ALL with your "500 years of scientific discovery" take. Post your proof of the globe.

2. There is no middle ground. Either the "science" that tells you that you live on a globe is WRONG, or Genesis 1, 11, and Joshua 10 are WRONG. Not to mention many other places in the Bible where the heliocentric model is shown to be positively INCORRECT.


I've tackled this issue head-on, atmdad.

Genesis 1:14:16
Genesis 1:6-7
Psalms 148: 1-6

Where are the waters above the sun, moon, and stars located?

Why is this "beyond your comprehension?"
It is a straightforward account of God's creation.

It is only because you have placed your faith in "science" that you choose to disregard what is CLEARLY written for you to know.

[Softball Bat]

The "insane" things I have posted are what is written in the Bible.

Uh, yeaaahhh. Even with the " ", you might want to re-think that line poptart.

Little bit Freudian. Indeed.

It's just your desperate and hopeful imagination.

"Insane" was a taunt directed at Derron.


I regard the Bible as the Word of God.

[Left Seater]

1. I have asked for people to post proof of the globe and it has not shown up on the board. So I am simply not in agreement AT ALL with your "500 years of scientific discovery" take. Post your proof of the globe.

As long as you ignore hundreds of facts and observations you can claim there is no proof. As long as you buy into a worldwide government coverup that would cost trillions of dollars and never has had a deathbed confession you can claim it isn’t a globe.

2. There is no middle ground. Either the "science" that tells you that you live on a globe is WRONG, or Genesis 1, 11, and Joshua 10 are WRONG. Not to mention many other places in the Bible where the heliocentric model is shown to be positively INCORRECT.

Do you agree that the Old Testament was written by mere humans? Isn’t every human imperfect and a sinner? Unless you want to claim that those who wrote the Bible books and those who translated it are without sin, there is room for error.

It is only because you have placed your faith in "science" that you choose to disregard what is CLEARLY written for you to know.

Have you ever been to a Doctor? If yes why have you placed your faith in science rather than rely on prayer? God doesn’t tell us to ignore what we see, rather we have to understand the point of view of a human thousands of years ago and understand why they had a different worldview.

[Softball Bat]

As long as you ignore hundreds of facts and observations you can claim there is no proof. As long as you buy into a worldwide government coverup that would cost trillions of dollars and never has had a deathbed confession you can claim it isn’t a globe.

This is awful.
Simply awful.

Do you agree that the Old Testament was written by mere humans? Isn’t every human imperfect and a sinner? Unless you want to claim that those who wrote the Bible books and those who translated it are without sin, there is room for error.

Do you honestly think that what is presented in Genesis 1, 11, and Joshua 10 are mistranslations?

That might be one of the goofiest and most desperate takes I have ever read.


The Old Testament was written by prophets -- men chosen by God.
The men wrote by God's inspiration.

The transcript number and verifiability of OT Scripture dwarfs that of other ancient writings.

You just choose to try to muddy the waters, and you disbelieve the Word of God.
That's your choice.

Have you ever been to a Doctor? If yes why have you placed your faith in science rather than rely on prayer? God doesn’t tell us to ignore what we see, rather we have to understand the point of view of a human thousands of years ago and understand why they had a different worldview.

Moses relayed the Words of God to us, not his own words.

"Flat earth" was not a concept created by Moses.


Jesus verified Moses and Jesus verified OT Scripture.

Do you know what Jesus said each of the three times Satan tempted Him?


"It is written..."

[Left Seater]

1) We agree, the crap you usually spew here and your YouTube videos are awful.

2) Typical for you was a lot of words and zero answer to the question.

3) More duck and dive. Totally ignoring the question. Again typical.

So sad yet predictable.

[atmdad]

Where are the waters above the sun, moon, and stars located?

Why is this "beyond your comprehension?"
It is a straightforward account of God's creation.

It is only because you have placed your faith in "science" that you choose to disregard what is CLEARLY written for you to know.

Your post is coming across as quite judgemental.

I stated where I stand on this. If you have a problem with it, that is on you brother.

[Jay in Phoenix]

It's just your desperate and hopeful imagination.

"Insane" was a taunt directed at Derron.


I regard the Bible as the Word of God.

Desperate? You have quite the imagination. I was just playing off Brian's comment.

I understood exactly what you "meant". It just doesn't read that way. Anyway, the Bible is the Word of God. Except where it's not. Which is in a lot of places. Until you understand the way translations of language work, especially over millenia and how they get corrupted and wrongly taken, the Bible is what it is, a hot mess of stories passed down from multiple generations.

Keep in mind the classic teaching tool about stories and language. Get a class of thirty people, have one read a story, then tell it to the person next to him. Have that second person tell the third. And so on. By the time you get to the 30th person, the whole story has been completely altered.

And so in lies the Bible.

[Softball Bat]

Where are the waters above the sun, moon, and stars located?

Why is this "beyond your comprehension?"
It is a straightforward account of God's creation.

It is only because you have placed your faith in "science" that you choose to disregard what is CLEARLY written for you to know.

Your post is coming across as quite judgemental.

I stated where I stand on this. If you have a problem with it, that is on you brother.

1. I asked you where you think the waters are located. That is not judging you.

2. It is a fact that you place faith in "science" and disregard what is clearly presented in Genesis 1. It is not judging. It is merely re-stating your position.

You disregard the clear words that are presented because you believe science has shown you something different.
That is surely not on me.

If you think Genesis 1, 11, and Joshua are supposed to be interpreted some other way than the way they clearly read, then tell me how you think they are supposed to be interpreted.

That is why I posed the question to other Christians.

[Softball Bat]

It's just your desperate and hopeful imagination.

"Insane" was a taunt directed at Derron.


I regard the Bible as the Word of God.

Desperate? You have quite the imagination. I was just playing off Brian's comment.

I understood exactly what you "meant". It just doesn't read that way. Anyway, the Bible is the Word of God. Except where it's not. Which is in a lot of places. Until you understand the way translations of language work, especially over millenia and how they get corrupted and wrongly taken, the Bible is what it is, a hot mess of stories passed down from multiple generations.

Keep in mind the classic teaching tool about stories and language. Get a class of thirty people, have one read a story, then tell it to the person next to him. Have that second person tell the third. And so on. By the time you get to the 30th person, the whole story has been completely altered.

And so in lies the Bible.

You believe that Genesis 1, 11, and Joshua 10 were mistranslated?

Do you know anything about OT manuscripts?

I really need not have even asked the question.

Anyway, the Bible is the Word of God. Except where it's not.

What person decides which parts are God's Word and which parts are not?


Genesis 3:4-5
[4] And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
[5] For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

[Softball Bat]

3) More duck and dive. Totally ignoring the question. Again typical.

The narrative you put forth in your questions borders on insanity.

The questions were answered.
You just don't like the answers.

[Left Seater]

The questions were answered.

Only in your delusional mind.

[Dinsdale]

Reality: Since Pops is cocksure his reading of the Bible is God's word (ridiculous arrogance, BTW), and as far as describing the universe, the Bible (according to Pops) is CLEARLY wrong, we can definitively conclude that the Bible is ------> a falsehood.

So sorry you had to find out this way.

[atmdad]

1. I asked you where you think the waters are located. That is not judging you.

2. It is a fact that you place faith in "science" and disregard what is clearly presented in Genesis 1. It is not judging. It is merely re-stating your position.

You disregard the clear words that are presented because you believe science has shown you something different.
That is surely not on me.

If you think Genesis 1, 11, and Joshua are supposed to be interpreted some other way than the way they clearly read, then tell me how you think they are supposed to be interpreted.

That is why I posed the question to other Christians.

The tone of your response is clearly judgemental, and has a hint of LastTard troll in it.

I stated very clearly that I do not understand the verses of GOD's word in Genesis and Joshua when compared to scientific discovery of the last 500 years. If you want to question my faith because you choose to ignore the physical world around you and that I do not adhere to your legalistic interpretation, than have at it, that is something you will be needing to answer for.

[Softball Bat]

If you want to question my faith because you choose to ignore the physical world around you and that I do not adhere to your legalistic interpretation

What exactly is legalistic about reading Genesis 1 and taking it at face value?

It is not written as allegory.
It is written as a straightforward account of the 6 days of creation.

Genesis 11 and Joshua 10 are the same.
They are not written as allegory.
They are written as real accounts of activity, and God's activity.

There is nothing legalistic about reading it and understanding it.
There is not even any interpretation necessary.


I don't ignore the physical world around me.
There is no science showing the earth curvature.
There is no science showing that a ball can be covered by 70% water and then spin at 1,000 mph without the water flying off of it.
There is no science showing that not only the water on the ball remains glued to the ball, but the atmosphere around the ball also moves together in tandem with the ball as it spins.

Show me the experiments.

These fantastical things are patently RIDICULOUS, yet you keep chirping about... science, science, science.

It's crap.

Nonsense.

When have these stupid things ever been shown?


I don't question your faith at all.
I am very glad you have it.

[Softball Bat]

Reality: Since Pops is cocksure his reading of the Bible is God's word (ridiculous arrogance, BTW), and as far as describing the universe, the Bible (according to Pops) is CLEARLY wrong, we can definitively conclude that the Bible is ------> a falsehood.

So sorry you had to find out this way.

Wait and see.




Matthew 10:26
Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

[Jay in Phoenix]

I don't ignore the physical world around me.
There is no science showing the earth curvature.
There is no science showing that a ball can be covered by 70% water and then spin at 1,000 mph without the water flying off of it.
There is no science showing that not only the water on the ball remains glued to the ball, but the atmosphere around the ball also moves together in tandem with the ball as it spins.

This has been covered before, multiple times, moron.

It's called gravity.

EOS.

[Softball Bat]

Show me the experiments.

[Jay in Phoenix]

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

If magnetic fields had been discovered 5000 years ago, I suspect the Bible would read quite differently today.

[Left Seater]

I don't ignore the physical world around me.

That might be the single funniest thing ever typed on this board. I laffed for a few minutes.

You absolutely ignore the physical world around you. Sunsets and Southern Hemisphere flights are two you choose to ignore. You lie to yourself and say you want to learn more about them, but refuse any discussion of them. That is just two examples, there are many many more.

[Dinsdale]

You absolutely ignore the physical world around you. Sunsets and Southern Hemisphere flights are two you choose to ignore. You lie to yourself and say you want to learn more about them, but refuse any discussion of them. That is just two examples, there are many many more.

How about "gravity." He sees it working every second of every day, yet refuses to acknowledge its existence. And it explains almost all of his globe-earth doubts.

Because he's none-too-bright.

[Rooster]

The clouds move far enough away so that they finally sink out of view under the horizon.

I suspect it is the same with the sun.

Why would the sun and clouds sink under the horizon? In your opinion is Earth spinning like a plate balanced on a stick like you see people do in circuses? Or is it moving end over end— which is the only way those clouds would move below the horizon? And what shape is the Earth? A disc? A square? A triangle? Or some blob that changes shape as time passes?

Your flat Earth idea lacks details and specifics.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

'tart, what are your thoughts on "Hollow Earth Theory"?

https://www.gaia.com/lp/content/hollow- ... rtha-real/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth

[Softball Bat]

How about "gravity." He sees it working every second of every day, yet refuses to acknowledge its existence. And it explains almost all of his globe-earth doubts.

It certainly does not.

If it did, you would have posted the experiment showing water clinging to the outside of a ball as it spins at 1,000 mph -----> a long time ago.

You're talking out your @ss once again.

Same movie.


The globe is beyond stupid.

[Softball Bat]

The clouds move far enough away so that they finally sink out of view under the horizon.

I suspect it is the same with the sun.

Why would the sun and clouds sink under the horizon? In your opinion is Earth spinning like a plate balanced on a stick like you see people do in circuses? Or is it moving end over end— which is the only way those clouds would move below the horizon? And what shape is the Earth? A disc? A square? A triangle? Or some blob that changes shape as time passes?

Your flat Earth idea lacks details and specifics.

Rooster, I can appreciate your questions.

The flat earth discussion(s) we've had on the board have ultimately ended with nobody being satisfied.
I only intend to speak about what the Bible says in this particular thread.

I don't claim to know for sure what the shape of the earth is.
It has been shown to NOT be the globe we are told it is.
The curvature is not there.

But my assumptions are...

The earth is mostly flat.
It is stationary.
It is covered by a firmament which contains the sun, moon, and stars.

The sun would sink under the horizon because it moves out of our view and that's what happens to objects in the sky when they finally move out of our sight -- like clouds and planes do.

Do your own research if the topic interests you.
There is an abundance of material regarding the topic online.

[Softball Bat]

'tart, what are your thoughts on "Hollow Earth Theory"?

https://www.gaia.com/lp/content/hollow- ... rtha-real/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_Earth

I haven't explored it very much, Marty.

I should.
If for no other reason, I would probably learn some more things.

[Softball Bat]

Sunsets and Southern Hemisphere flights are two you choose to ignore.

I don't have the answers to these things, Lefty.

I've explored them.
They don't prove the globe because the curvature for the globe is not present.

I don't have the answers, so I'm not going to be like you guys and just pull things out of my ass and then pass them off as fact.

Like water (and atmosphere) clinging to the outside of a ball as it spins around.

How DUMB.


I continue to research this topic as time permits me.

[Derron]

I don't have the answers, so I'm not going to be like you guys and just pull things out of my ass and then pass them off as fact.

Yeah it is probably pretty hard pulling anything out of your ass with half a dozen or so plunger handles blocking the way.

[Softball Bat]

Certainly nothing you have posted has been of any consequence, Duhrron.

You have been a big f@t -----> ZERO.





#expected

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Like water (and atmosphere) clinging to the outside of a ball as it spins around.

How DUMB.

So because YOU can't comprehend physics, that means it doesn't exist. Allllllllrighty then.

The reason people don't seriously engage you on this topic is because it's a fruitless exercise. The original flat earth thread demonstrated that. It goes a little something like this:

1) You ask for proof/evidence of a spherical earth.
2) Proof/evidence is provided.
3) You claim said proof/evidence is fake.

Lather, rinse, repeat. It's a dog chasing its own tail, there's just no getting anywhere with you (or conspiracy theorists in general) when no matter what's produced, you can just conveniently go to the "FAKE NEWS" card.

Let me ask you these two questions.

#1 What would you need to see to be convinced earth is spherical? Because clearly, nothing that can be provided from the internet will work for you. Would anything convince you at all, just shy of being rocketed up into outer space yourself?

#2 If you did discover that earth is a sphere, how much would that change your entire outlook on the world, religion, etc? I imagine that would throw a wrench into your entire belief system, no?

[Softball Bat]

So because YOU can't comprehend physics, that means it doesn't exist. Allllllllrighty then.

Show me the experiment.

The spinning ball with the water clinging to the outside of it.

It is LAFFABLE.

Have you thought about this?

Why would you believe such bullshit as that?


Prove the curvature.
Show it to me.

And if you want to post space pics, then I'll ask you to show me a video of a rocket going from land to space.

60 years of rockets supposedly going to space and we've still never seen that.

Does that make any sense to you at all?


NASA: We're up here now. Trust us. And this phenomenal ISS was assembled perfectly airtight by guys on cords, in space suits, with bulky gloves, right up here in space, flying around the earth. Machine shop? Naahh... we don't need one. And bring the craft down for maintenance? Naahhh... we never have to. We just fly around up here year after year, and everything stays sealed up perfectly. Seals, pumps, hoses, filters, etc... all just dandy. No machine shop needed. Nope. And we're so happy and comfortable. NASA is really smart and good, ya know?


rotf...



Are you out of the damn mind?!?



Sorry, Mgo, but most of the smart people that have looked into flat earth have recognized that the heliocentric model is a total joke.

There just happens to be a LOT of really dumb asses.

I mean, REALLY dumb.

People have been trained very well not to think.


I broke free and am able to think for myself.
Damn glad I did.

[Derron]

Are you out of the damn mind?!?

People have been trained very well not to think.

At least you got that one right. English mother fucker.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

So because YOU can't comprehend physics, that means it doesn't exist. Allllllllrighty then.

Show me the experiment.

The spinning ball with the water clinging to the outside of it.

It is LAFFABLE.

Once again, your inability to comprehend how gravity works, does not mean it doesn't exist.

Prove the curvature.
Show it to me.

It's been shown to you many times. You claim that every image and video taken of earth is fake. There's no where else the discussion can go after that.

Sorry, Mgo, but most of the smart people that have looked into flat earth have recognized that the heliocentric model is a total joke.

These "smart" people aren't credentialed in any scientific field. Why should I give a shit what some dumb kook with a blog thinks about the shape of earth?

People have been trained very well not to think.


I broke free and am able to think for myself.
Damn glad I did.

Oh, now that's rich. Yes, the guy who does not question a single word from a book written 2600 years ago by unsubstantiated sources, but laughs in the face of rock solid science, is certainly "thinking for himself." Yep, that's exactly how I define independent thought.