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[Diego in Seattle]

Punishing women with the death penalty would cut abortions, Idaho candidate says

By KIMBERLEE KRUESI

A Republican lieutenant governor candidate on Tuesday softened his stance that women who get an abortion should be punished if it is ever criminalized in Idaho, a day after saying the punishment should include the death penalty.

“Prosecutions have always been focused on the abortionist,” said Bob Nonini in a statement. “There is no way a woman would go to jail let alone face the death penalty. The statute alone, the threat of prosecution, would dramatically reduce abortion. That is my goal.”

Nonini first raised eyebrows on the divisive social issue during a Monday candidate forum in Moscow hosted by the conservative Christian podcast CrossPolitic.

“There should be no abortion and anyone who has an abortion should pay,” Nonini said.
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Pressed by moderators on the nature of the punishment, Nonini nodded in agreement when asked if he supported the death penalty as a possible outcome for abortion.

Nonini, a three term state senator from Coeur d'Alene, confirmed that position in a phone interview with The Associated Press.

However, several hours later, Nonini issued a statement seeking to take back his strict stance.

“I strongly support the overturning of Roe v. Wade,” Nonini said. “That would allow states like Idaho to re-criminalize abortion as a deterrent. However, it is my understanding that in the history of the United States, long before Roe was foisted upon this country; no woman has ever been prosecuted for undergoing abortion. That is for practical reasons, as well as for reasons of compassion”

Nonini added that his wife, Cathyanne, does not share his endorsement of the death penalty even though both are devout Catholics.

It’s common for Republican candidates to express their anti-abortion positions in GOP-dominant Idaho. Typically, many stress the importance of educating women on alternative options to an unplanned pregnancy or making access to abortion clinics more difficult rather than focus on possible punishment for the woman.

A handful of anti-abortion advocates have begun increasing their call for stricter penalties for women and providers.

Last year, Abolish Abortion Idaho launched a ballot initiative seeking to charge both abortion providers and women with first-degree murder – but it is unclear if the group will have enough signatures to make it on the ballot in November.

Meanwhile, Republican state Sen. Dan Foreman attempted to introduce legislation that would also classify abortion as first-degree murder for mothers and doctors, but the proposal never received a hearing.

Nonini was joined at Monday’s forum by two other Republican candidates: Idaho Falls businesswoman Janice McGeachin and former Idaho Republican Party Chairman Steve Yates.

Five Republicans are running in the May primary election after incumbent GOP Lt. Gov. Brad Little announced he would run for governor, but only Nonini, McGeachin and Yates were invited to attend the forum.

Both McGeachin and Yates say abortion is murder, but stopped short of supporting charging women with first-degree murder for undergoing the procedure.

“No, I cannot support a woman facing the death penalty for having an abortion,” said McGeachin. “What we should do is prevent that.”

Yates downplayed that criminalizing abortion would result in fewer women seeking the procedure.

“In terms of criminalizing things, I have no problem with that except that doesn’t always solve the problem,” Yates said.

Nonini’s comments echo similar rhetoric said by Donald Trump during the presidential campaign. In 2016, Trump came out in support of “some sort of punishment” for women who get abortions, but the campaign later backtracked that he believes abortion providers should be the ones punished.

[Goober McTuber]

Since probably 80% of the people who get abortions are liberals (at least that many)

Let's see you back that up with some stats, fatso.

[Rooster]

Oh. My bad, I thought this was going to be a thread about that Muslim lady who shot up the YouTube building. Nevermind.

[Mikey]

Since probably 80% of the people who get abortions are liberals (at least that many), I don't see why the Republicans don't push abortions like they're their best friends.

This coming from somebody in the redneck south is really beyond comprehension.
Your really don't know your wimmins do you?

[Mikey]

Since probably 80% of the people who get abortions are liberals (at least that many)

Let's see you back that up with some stats, fatso.

We all know how conservatives feel about abortion, don't we?

About the same way they feel about adultery and homosexuality. They hate it if somebody else is doing it.

[Mikey]

About the same way they feel about adultery and homosexuality. They hate it if somebody else is doing it.

So you think that the majority of abortions are coming from conservatives?

Are you really that intellectually dishonest, or are you just really dumb when it comes to numbers?

You claimed that 80% of abortions come from "liberals." If I disagree with that you conclude that means I think that more than 50% are coming from "conservatives."
You do realize that "all" of them have to add up to 100%, right? What happened to the 30% between your 80% "liberals" and >50% "conservatives"? And guess what, I'd say that a lot of people don't consider themselves to be either liberal or conservative. How do you account for them?

Did you seriously once work for one of the financial reporting services? No wonder they're so fucked up if they hire people who can't count past their 10 fingers.

[Diego in Seattle]

Since probably 80% of the people who get abortions are liberals (at least that many),

Did Tim Murphy tell you that number?

[Goober McTuber]

About the same way they feel about adultery and homosexuality. They hate it if somebody else is doing it.

So you think that the majority of abortions are coming from conservatives?

Are you really that intellectually dishonest, or are you just really dumb when it comes to numbers?

He is pretty fucking stupid. And he talks out of his ass a lot. Which explains the old "shutyomouth" nic.

[Derron]

intellectually dishonest,

The new buzzword / term of the day. If anybody else can successfully incorporate that into a sentence that is not a shit take then you win the prize. Which is a blow job from Poptart.

[Mikey]

I'm glad you appreciate my voluminous vocabulary.


I'll be sure not to use it again so somebody else can claim the prize.

[Goober McTuber]

intellectually dishonest,

The new buzzword / term of the day. If anybody else can successfully incorporate that into a sentence that is not a shit take then you win the prize. Which is a blow job from Poptart.

Well, Derron suggesting that a blowjob from poptart is some kind of a prize is really the exact opposite of being intellectually dishonest.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Since probably 80% of the people who get abortions are liberals (at least that many), I don't see why the Republicans don't push abortions like they're their best friends.

Why are you so obsessed with democrats and republicans? Not everyone views everything through a political prism, or is in one strident camp or the other. You really should get out of the deep south more.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

This thread needs to be aborted. With a rusty coat-hanger.

[Mikey]

Since probably 80% of the people who get abortions are liberals (at least that many), I don't see why the Republicans don't push abortions like they're their best friends.

Why are you so obsessed with democrats and republicans? Not everyone views everything through a political prism, or is in one strident camp or the other. You really should get out of the deep south more.

Read my next comment, dumb. Ass.

https://www.kff.org/womens-health-polic ... :"desc"%7D

39% of all abortions come from 12% of the population. Now what percentage of them vote for who? You libs need to quit dumbassing and just deal with reality from time to time. It's really that simple.

Again - I'm 100% FOR abortions. Shit breeds shit, therefore, the less of that we have - the better.

51% come from white women. Are you saying that all white women are liberals?

[Mikey]

Also, you data don't include:

California
Connecticut
Florida
Illinois
Kentucky
Maryland
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Mexico
New York
Texas
Utah
Washington
Wyoming

Not exactly comprehensive.

[Mikey]

Why not look at a state like Georgia

I'd rather not.

[Mikey]

It's legal, moron.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

If T.R.O.T.S. exists as a form of message board correction ipso jure, but isn't exercised in practice...does it cease to exist in actuality?

[Derron]

intellectually dishonest,

The new buzzword / term of the day. If anybody else can successfully incorporate that into a sentence that is not a shit take then you win the prize. Which is a blow job from Poptart.

Well, Derron suggesting that a blowjob from poptart is some kind of a prize is really the exact opposite of being intellectually dishonest.

Ding..Ding..Ding...We have a winner. Not a shit take...and you successfully used the required words " intellectually dishonest" in your take. This leads us to believe that you really wanted the prize and jumped on the chance to win that blowjob from poptart.

He should be rolling in soon, might be a bit surprised at what awaits him. Enjoy. I would say tell us how it was but that would be pretty gay, and I for one don't want to hear.

[Goober McTuber]

The new buzzword / term of the day. If anybody else can successfully incorporate that into a sentence that is not a shit take then you win the prize. Which is a blow job from Poptart.

Well, Derron suggesting that a blowjob from poptart is some kind of a prize is really the exact opposite of being intellectually dishonest.

Ding..Ding..Ding...We have a winner. Not a shit take...and you successfully used the required words " intellectually dishonest" in your take. This leads us to believe that you really wanted the prize and jumped on the chance to win that blowjob from poptart.

No, you fucking halfwit, that's not what it meant. It meant that you actually believe that having another man suck your dick is some kind of reward. Idiot.

[Derron]

It meant that you actually believe that having another man suck your dick is some kind of reward. Idiot.

For you anybody sucking your dick would be a reward.

[Goober McTuber]

It meant that you actually believe that having another man suck your dick is some kind of reward. Idiot.

For you anybody sucking your dick would be a reward.

Any port in a storm? Maybe in your world.

[Dinsdale]

If we ban abortions, women will be forced into back-alleys to do illegal shit.

But if we ban semi-automatic firearms...

Liberal logic at its finest.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Question for Derron...

How easy is it to modify the receiver on the AR platform?

[Derron]

If we ban abortions, women will be forced into back-alleys to do illegal shit.

But if we ban semi-automatic firearms...

Liberal logic at its finest.

Once the liberal left try's to ban those semi automatic firearms and orders their surrender ( what is up Oregon initiative petition 43) then that means all gun crime will end. Until some one uses a pump shotgun, a bolt action rifle, or a revolver to commit a crime, then they will come after those to. It never ends.

I said they try to ban them, because the people who support the Constitution of the United States are going to turn out like you have never seen, and shove these initiatives, ballot measures, bills, so far up their liberal asses that even Diego will not be able to find them while he is looking for his head, or maybe the answers to the questions I asked him.

[Derron]

Question for Derron...

How easy is it to modify the receiver on the AR platform?

The receiver ?? The stock ? The upper or lower portions ?

The AR platform is probably one of the most customized guns around.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

The receiver ?? The stock ? The upper or lower portions ?

I primarily mean the lower receiver (sear, bolt/block slide, etc...)

The AR platform is probably one of the most customized guns around.

I used to own a Ruger Mini 14. One of the most accessorised firearms ever produced.

[Derron]

If we ban abortions, women will be forced into back-alleys to do illegal shit.

But if we ban semi-automatic firearms...

Liberal logic at its finest.

Yeah, with over 8 million AR's in the hands of law abiding citizens, I am sure the market on stolen AR's would vanish once they were banned.

[Derron]

The receiver ?? The stock ? The upper or lower portions ?

I primarily mean the lower receiver (sear, bolt/block slide, etc...)

The AR platform is probably one of the most customized guns around.

I used to own a Ruger Mini 14. One of the most accessorised firearms ever produced.

Pretty easy really. There are a lot of customizing things you can do to improve the already good performance of that platform. My son was an armorer in the Marine Corps and does side work on guns now. The liberal left is all hung up about the "AR 15" platform and when they go to do the gun grabs they expand it way beyond the actual "AR 15" platform.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

I understand you guys have some pretty fucked definitions of what constitutes an "assault rifle"...folding stock...forward grip...magazine compatibility...etc...

Don't let them take away your guns and your right to arm yourselves for whatever reason you choose.

[Derron]

I understand you guys have some pretty fucked definitions of what constitutes an "assault rifle"...folding stock...forward grip...magazine compatibility...etc...

Don't let them take away your guns and your right to arm yourselves for whatever reason you choose.

Your analogy of the fucked definitions is exactly right. I would pose the question to Diego and these other gun grabbers, but they just turn tail and run when they have to support a position.

For example, you mention the Ruger Mini 14. A semiautomatic gun in .223 that does not meet the definition of an "assault weapon".

Then any AR 15 type model semi automatic in .223 caliber, called an assault weapon because of the way it is dressed.

Analogy is a Chevy Nova with a 327 cubic inch engine. A non descript run of the mill car. Put the same 327 engine in a Corvette and it becomes " Hi Performance". No difference in the engine, just the wrapper the engine is in.

Makes sense..not at all.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

Add to that, scary music when AR's are mentioned on TV newscasts, against the backdrop of children playing in a school yard...