Trump-Kim summary

[Joe in PB]

Don GAVE UP the "war games".

Do you think that actually matters? War games happen all the time in some fashion, not to mention South Korea and the Americans Army there would be in serious trouble in a matter of days without major air support from the Navy and Air Force. The 30k American troops are insurance, not a serious threat to repel the NK Army. If they were to get wiped out the nukes might really fly. Not that it would matter for you, as you would likely have a North Korean bayonet stuck in your chest before then.

Hard to believe you'd be totally negative about this, but would have been in agreement with Reagan's move with Gorbachev, before the deal happened.

[Softball Bat]

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Tardt - have you ANY fucking idea how silly you look posting MSNBC videos up on the board?

Feel free to comment on the content of the video.

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[Softball Bat]

Don GAVE UP the "war games".

Do you think that actually matters? War games happen all the time in some fashion, not to mention South Korea and the Americans Army there would be in serious trouble in a matter of days without major air support from the Navy and Air Force. The 30k American troops are insurance, not a serious threat to repel the NK Army. If they were to get wiped out the nukes might really fly. Not that it would matter for you, as you would likely have a North Korean bayonet stuck in your chest before then.

Hard to believe you'd be totally negative about this, but would have been in agreement with Reagan's move with Gorbachev, before the deal happened.

Stop making a clown of yourself by talking about Reagan and Gorby.

Apples and oranges.


Joe, it is flat out insane for Don to just up and announce out of the blue that the U.S. and SK will stop their "provocative" military exercises, which are done as DEFENSE prep, btw, because of a highly irrational enemy neighbor to the north.

In your world, is this the way you treat a trusted ally?


My goodness...

Just unreal that this even has to be explained to someone.

[Joe in PB]

Kim released three American prisoners about a month ago as a 'gesture of good will'. Now they met for their 2 hour summit and the USA is calling off a major exercise in response. Give & take negotiations. Miracles haven't happened yet, but negotiations with NK have never been so optimistic imo. Military exercises can always be rescheduled.

[Softball Bat]

The truth of the matter is that it was Trump who was desperate to make a deal.
Such an individual normally gets rolled.
So it was in this case.

Donald is under tremendous stress due to the ongoing investigation and possibility of serious legal and/or political trouble at home.
Mid-terms are approaching and he wanted to put on a grand show and make Americans (very dumb ones) think that he just accomplished something big and meaningful with NK.

He did squat and he only made the situation on the Korean Peninsula (and other places) more dangerous.


Kim was empowered, the U.S. shit on its key ally in the region, and Trump unimaginably gave up military exercises --when there was absolutely no need to do so.

Total win for F@t Kim.


A sad, stupid, and potentially very dangerous spectacle.

[Dr_Phibes]

the U.S. and SK will stop their "provocative" military exercises, which are done as DEFENSE prep, btw, because of a highly irrational enemy neighbor to the north.

If it's defensive prep, it can be done anywhere. Water is wet, the ocean is blue. One wave is the same as the other. Why is the exercise conducted on the border of the DPRK's boundaries? Keep in mind, B-52's make dummy runs over Pyongyang just to show who's boss. You don't think there's a psychological element to it?

[Screw_Michigan]

Why do you Trump haters and Hillary ball lickers want to grade this today? Let history decide if this was productive or not.

When compared to the bar President Hussein set where we give cash to rouge nuclear countries, this can only be viewed as a win. However since that was such a poor deal we should wait and let history decide.

The Iran Deal took 12 years, negotiations between two administrations, and approved by nearly half the world with a clear path toward denuclearization and verifiable metrics.

The Singapore deal on the other hand contains absolutely no details and methods for verification other than "he said he would."

Oh yeah, then Trump opened his dick sucker and started talking about the beautiful views North Korean beaches would provide hotels and condos. Gee, why do you think that just happened to pop up?

Then, the kicker....

"I may be wrong, I mean I may stand before you in six months and say, 'Hey I was wrong,'" Trump said at a press conference after his historic meeting with Kim.

"I don't know that I'll ever admit that, but I'll find some kind of an excuse," Trump added.

Truer words have never been spoken, yet Trump supporters and ball lickers alike are rushing past each other to lap up his bullshit Singapore deal.

[Softball Bat]

Phibes, there absolutely is a psychological effect.
And there should be.

The exercises are done near the border because that is "ground zero."

The U.S. and SK are preparing right in the area where an attack would come from.
It makes perfect sense.

NK has been hostile, beligerant, and dangerous.

They should expect nothing other than for the exercises to continue.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ROKS_Cheonan_sinking

The ROKS Cheonan sinking occurred on 26 March 2010, when Cheonan, a Pohang-class corvette of the Republic of Korea
Navy, carrying 104 personnel, sank off the country's west coast near Baengnyeong Island in the Yellow Sea, killing 46 seamen.
The cause of the sinking remains in dispute, although overwhelming evidence points to North Korea.

March 26, 2010.

46 S. Korea servicemen DEAD.

Disgraceful and totally unacceptable.

[Softball Bat]

The Singapore deal on the other hand contains absolutely no details and methods for verification other than "he said he would."

There is barely any deal at all.
It's a joke.

It's a grand show for Trump's base to lap up.

And they haven't disappointed.

[Screw_Michigan]

The truth of the matter is that it was Trump who was desperate to make a deal.
Such an individual normally gets rolled.

They were both desperate for easy but empty propaganda wins that would look great and splashy on TV since both are pretty incompetent fucktards. This dipshit Trump doesn't know his head from a hole in his ass but he's giving up military exercises with our key ally in the region and doesn't even bother to tell them.

Know who loves that? China. I feel real bad for South Koreans and Tart. Trump just wiped his cock with South Korea's drapes and could not have cared less about it.

[Dr_Phibes]

NK has been hostile, beligerant, and dangerous.

I'd argue that, anything they've done is reactive rather than pro-active. The Cheonan is messy business. Three separate international investigations were set up, the US found they were torpedoed (and that got silly), Russia and the PRC found the ship struck a mine from the war. Now what to think..

You're in a fantastic position to view the events, but the ROK has a position and a view that in some ways must be imbalanced? Trump making a decision like that on the war games without notifying is folly.

[Softball Bat]

I'd argue that, anything they've done is reactive rather than pro-active.

If you put yourself in their shoes, yes.
It can be argued and understood that way.

[Dr_Phibes]

Well you would have to, if you wanted a genuine appreciation of it. Waiting for someone to say what you want to hear, to back up a preconceived notion doesn't advance a situation or your own understanding of it. I was hoping for more in this thread, but it's just a cheer-leading squad for partisan politics. More history students, less lawyers - better to understand a situation than to make one.

What's gone on there for last half-century is remarkable.

[Softball Bat]

Well Phibes, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know, but aside from the military issues, there has been a horrific humanitarian crisis going on in NK for decades.
People being starved, murdered, oppressed, abused, etc.

It is a hard sell to blame all of that on the oppressive imperialists.

That's just some sick fucks who went off the rails and continued to stay off the rails.

The forced worship of the Kim family, and all of that.

C'mon now.

[Goober McTuber]

I knew that 'tardt & Screwy were going to melt over this. I just didn't think it would be this bad... Wow.

Whenever you are getting hit left and right with cold hard facts, you go to your "melt" card. Sorry, tubster, but pops and Screwy are absolutely on point on this one. Trump is shitting on all of our allies while lovingly polishing the knobs of two dictators.

[Left Seater]

More history students, less lawyers - better to understand a situation than to make one.

What's gone on there for last half-century is remarkable.

I agree on letting history judge. Something most today don’t have the ability to do. But what are the remarkable things happening there? I mean other than making Lester Holt look like an absolute fool, but then that is a pretty low bar. Link us up to great works of art or advances in science or medicine or engineering discoveries.

[Screw_Michigan]

Whenever you are getting hit left and right with cold hard facts, you go to your "melt" card. Sorry, tubster, but pops and Screwy are absolutely on point on this one. Trump is shitting on all of our allies while lovingly polishing the knobs of two dictators.

Even worse is that his ball lickers are acting like this is remotely acceptable behavior.

[Softball Bat]

Just landed - a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office.
There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea. Meeting with Kim Jong Un was an
interesting and very positive experience. North Korea has great potential for the future!

- Don

[Joe in PB]

.....there has been a horrific humanitarian crisis going on in NK for decades.
People being starved, murdered, oppressed, abused, etc.

Sounds like Chicago. Political systems whether they are democracies, socialist, dictatorships etc are only as good as the people who run them. Congress can no longer pass a budget period, instead choosing party over country. Obama basically said we're a country of racists with gestopo law enforcement. At the same time Obama would never dream of making a deal with NK because they are not a democracy. Every country on earth does not need the same political system to forge peace.

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[Arch Angel]

Screwy without a doubt is the dumbest motherfucker on this board. Softball is catching up quickly though and could overtake him in the Dumbest Poster of the year award we give out.

They suck Liberal news like it is their daily milk from a DDDD tit nipple.

Gawd, you two please grow a new brain because you guys are truly what the word "Sheeple" on how it was created.

Donald sucks, yes, he does, but you guys trying to make him worse is not helping your position, it is like a vendetta and make you post stupid shit. Oh shit, I forgot, you are stupid people and post stupid shit, your MO.

[Screw_Michigan]

Screwy without a doubt is the dumbest motherfucker on this board. Softball is catching up quickly though and could overtake him in the Dumbest Poster of the year award we give out.

They suck Liberal news like it is their daily milk from a DDDD tit nipple.

Gawd, you two please grow a new brain because you guys are truly what the word "Sheeple" on how it was created.

Donald sucks, yes, he does, but you guys trying to make him worse is not helping your position, it is like a vendetta and make you post stupid shit. Oh shit, I forgot, you are stupid people and post stupid shit, your MO.

Nice melt, tardling.

Nobody is trying to make Trump worse. He's doing a fine job on his own, aided and abetted by ball licking sycophants such as yourself.

Next time, when you're done slobbering all over yourself, why don't you actually try to muster a defense of Dear Leader? You pathetic hack.

[Softball Bat]

Screwy without a doubt is the dumbest motherfucker on this board. Softball is catching up quickly though and could overtake him in the Dumbest Poster of the year award we give out.

They suck Liberal news like it is their daily milk from a DDDD tit nipple.

Gawd, you two please grow a new brain because you guys are truly what the word "Sheeple" on how it was created.

Donald sucks, yes, he does, but you guys trying to make him worse is not helping your position, it is like a vendetta and make you post stupid shit. Oh shit, I forgot, you are stupid people and post stupid shit, your MO.

Post a take on the Trump/Kim meeting, you stupid pile of shit.

[Mikey]

Arch has no take on anything. Just tired smack like it's 1999.

[Mikey]

Obama!!...Hillary!!!...Benghazi!!!!!!!!!

[Goober McTuber]

I knew that 'tardt & Screwy were going to melt over this. I just didn't think it would be this bad... Wow.

Whenever you are getting hit left and right with cold hard facts, you go to your "melt" card. Sorry, tubster, but pops and Screwy are absolutely on point on this one. Trump is shitting on all of our allies while lovingly polishing the knobs of two dictators.

They're not on point with anything. It only goes to prove that you cock-slurping liberals are still so butt-hurt over the election (almost 2 years ago now), that you're okay with getting nuked as long as you get to say "I told you so".

As soon as Kim does do something - like nuke somebody - it'll be the happiest day of your lives.

You really are a delusional fucking mess.

[Sirfindafold]

l to r: McGoober, T$, Kim

[Joe in PB]

LMAO!

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[Rooster]

I confess to being rather underwhelmed by the results of the summit. And I believe it's true that NK walks away with far more than the US does, at least in the interim. But one thing is certain going forward and that is the old manner in which we dealt with the Norks wasn't working in the fashion it was intended. The concessions which resulted in cheating was a feature, not a bug-- something each president had to have known was going to happen, but the effects of which weren't going to be seen or felt during his administration. But the appearance of success and the positive press it generated despite no verification meant these meager efforts were doomed to failure.
That being said, perhaps all will end well and we will be best of friends and the world will be a cheerier and happier place for now on. However, my concerns are mirrored by Jonah Goldberg in this article where he says this summit may reduce our options once the cheating begins.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/t ... me-moment/
There is little to no enforcement of this new handshake deal and like Dubya, who looked into Putin's eyes and saw an honest man, Trump is predicting success on personal charisma.
I find that... less than reassuring.

[Screw_Michigan]

l to r: McGoober, T$, Kim

OK, that's kind of funny.

[Mikey]

Nothing much really different than all of the previous "summits" in the past 25 years.
Just a President who doesn't hold back from any self-propping.

Regression toward the mean’
The Trump-Kim summit marks a return to engagement, but it’s not a breakthrough.
PRESIDENT TRUMP and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un at the signing ceremony
closing their Singapore summit. (Evan Vucci Associated Press)

By Joshua Pollack

The outcome of the Donald Trump-Kim Jong Un summit in Singapore brings to mind
the old Army quip: “Hurry up and wait.”

The urgency of holding a meeting between the top leaders of North Korea and the
United States, rather than diplomatic professionals, is perhaps best explained
by the personality and mind-set of our first reality TV star president. The
freshly signed joint statement of this “epochal event” — not merely historic,
mind you, but epochal — is roughly what could be expected to emerge from the
preceding two weeks or so of working-level talks. Vague and broad, it endorses a
set of “mutual confidence building” steps, ending with a promise to continue
working out the details. It promises a return to diplomatic engagement, but it’s
not any sort of breakthrough.

Set aside whether a presidential meeting was needed to reach this point. What
exactly does the joint statement say? How does it stack up against the two
countries’ on-again, off-again diplomatic commitments over the past
quarter-century, and what does it really mean?

After the throat-clearing section at the top, the statement boils down to four
points. The first is a commitment to “establish new U.S.-DPRK relations in
accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and
prosperity.”

This is a vow that Washington and Pyongyang renew about every five to six years.
The October 1994 Agreed Framework pledged to “move toward full normalization of
political and economic relations.” The Joint Communique signed at the White
House in October 2000 promised to “make every effort in the future to build a
new relationship free from past enmity.” The September 2005 Joint Statement of
the Six-Party Talks concluded in Beijing contained an undertaking for the two
states “to respect each other’s sovereignty, exist peacefully together, and take
steps to normalize their relations.” The February 2012 “Leap Day Deal” contained
an American undertaking “to take steps to improve our bilateral relationship in
the spirit of mutual respect for sovereignty and equality.”

The second point is a commitment to “join their efforts to build a lasting and
stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.”

The term “peace regime” is a familiar bit of Korea-specific diplomatese, meaning
the replacement of the Korean War Armistice with something more permanent,
probably in the form of an agreement between the two Koreas, the United States
and China, to be endorsed in a United Nations Security Council Resolution.
The October 2000 Joint Communique discussed how to “formally end the Korean War
by replacing the 1953 Armistice Agreement with permanent peace arrangements.”
The September 2005 Joint Statement and a subsequent February 2007 agreement
proposed the separate negotiation of “a permanent peace regime on the Korean
Peninsula.” The same sentiment appeared in the declaration of the second summit
meeting of the two Koreas, held in October 2007, which recognized “the need to
end the current armistice regime and build a permanent peace regime.” The
“Panmunjom Declaration” issued in April after Kim met with Moon Jae-in in the
third such summit called for “turning the armistice into a peace treaty, and
establishing a permanent and solid peace regime.“

The third point in the Trump-Kim statement finally gets to the heart of things
from the U.S. perspective. It is almost a direct quote from the April meeting:
“[T]he DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean
Peninsula.”

The phrase “denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula” goes all the way back to a
declaration by the two Koreas signed in January 1992 and periodically
reaffirmed. The September 2005 Joint Statement introduced a new twist, calling
for “the verifiable denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula in a peaceful
manner.” The Panmunjom Declaration doesn’t include “verifiable,” but cites “the
common goal of realizing, through complete denuclearization, a nuclear-free
Korean Peninsula.”

The current repetition of “complete denuclearization” seems to fall somewhat
short of the variation lately demanded by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo: the
“complete and verifiable and irreversible denuclearization of the Korean
Peninsula.”

The fourth point is a commitment “to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the
immediate repatriation of those already identified.” Joint U.S.-North Korean
searches for the remains of the Korean War dead took place between 1996 and
2005. The resumption of this practice is overdue and will certainly contribute
to goodwill.

The Trump-Kim Joint Statement contains little that can be called new. It marks
what statisticians call “regression toward the mean”— the tendency for extreme
conditions to give way to the familiar over time. And that’s good. Even if a
theatrical summit meeting wasn’t really needed, diplomacy is now back on track.
With patience and modest expectations, progress is possible.

Joshua Pollack is a senior research associate at the Middlebury Institute of
International Studies at Monterey and editor of the Nonproliferation Review.
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[Goober McTuber]

l to r: McGoober, T$, Kim

OK, that's kind of funny.

Even a retard finds an acorn now and then.

[Goober McTuber]

Pretty much how all normal people look at liberals.

What would you know about normal people, you shitdick-gobbling fuck-nozzle.

[Goober McTuber]

Pretty much how all normal people look at liberals.

What would you know about normal people, you shitdick-gobbling fuck-nozzle.

Heartoverlittlenubatbeachpictureguy says what?

Nothing but the truth you fat FUCKING retard.

[Dr_Phibes]

there has been a horrific humanitarian crisis going on in NK for decades.
People being starved, murdered, oppressed, abused, etc.

It is a hard sell to blame all of that on the oppressive imperialists.

That's just some sick fucks who went off the rails and continued to stay off the rails.

The forced worship of the Kim family, and all of that.

C'mon now.

But the country has been beset by natural disasters since the nineties, droughts and flooding on a dearth of arable land. With the collapse of the USSR and the Comintern, 80% of their trade disappeared in the blink of an eye. After that - their energy supplies were cut by the west which effects every sector of the economy. Using energy and food as a weapon against a civilian population is the height of perversity. Any free-market economy would have collapsed under the weight of these circumstances.

The Soviet Union did that once - in the Berlin blockade and it was an unmitigated disaster. It's never been done again by any Socialist country.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

The Soviet Union did that once - in the Berlin blockade and it was an unmitigated disaster.

You're not one of those revanchist, anti-Khrushchev kooks...are you?

I suspect you spend too much time thumping bongos with sandal wearing, unicycle-riding, hippie profs at your university...

When the day comes that we occupy the factories, will you be playing Scattergories in some anarchist squat with social democrats?

[Dr_Phibes]

Uncle frikken Joe. Stick that in yer bum and smoke it, hippy.

[Softball Bat]

Phibes, if you were put in a labor camp there would you throw up your arms and say, "Well, it really has no choice but to be this way."



And you'd go on worshipping the Kim family.

[Softball Bat]

Btw, Donald went out of his way to overtly spew flowery verbal admiration on Kim, the murdering, oppressing dictator.
It was sickening.

Did Kim ever say anything similar to Trump and/or about the United States?

Anything?


A 72 yr old president of the most powerful nation on earth, sitting there (with flags of both nations placed together) with a 34 yr old murdering piggie dictator of a small rogue nation that can't wipe the ass of its own people, and the 72 yr old powerful leader is gushing praise all over the place.

The fat, gluttonous, rogue dictator of the despot nation wouldn't even be old enough to be president in America.

Break out of the R-L paradigm and think about the sickness of the scenario.


How the mighty has fallen.

Sign of the times.

[Mikey]

You’re just a jealous liberal who still hasn’t gotten over the election and Hillary has fat ankles.
Go back and watch MSNBC

Sin
Papa Willie

[smackaholic]

I'll take a wait and see attitude before I decide if it's worth throwing another of our longtime allies under the bus so the Donald can claim a Nobel Peace Prize.

You're confusing him with Barry. Ohh, wait, he got his NP before he threw our allies under the bus.

The meltage here is stunning.

Do we know any of the details yet?

Of course not, but we have gotten a statement from Rocketman saying he will denuke. It is more than anyone else has gotten.

Compare this to Iran. We KNEW the details there. Those details were a joke of an inspection program and pallets full of hard currency.