Marty - I'm not sure we can be friends anymore...

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

[BSmack]

The wind is blowing dude why doesn't your fucking hair move?

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

But the oaks can't help their feelings
If they like the way they're made
And they wonder why the maples
Can't be happy in their shade

[Dinsdale]

So, I can go to the Oregon Coast this summer without fearing for my life from the horrifying BC drivers and their random actions behind the wheel?

IN!!!!!

But I have a feeling that every other car on US101 will have a BC plate, as per usualm.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

So, I can go to the Oregon Coast this summer without fearing for my life from the horrifying BC drivers and their random actions behind the wheel?

IN!!!!!

But I have a feeling that every other car on US101 will have a BC plate, as per usualm.

British Columbia has province mandated insurance coverage.
The government out there knows how shitty they drive, so the just make compulsory government supplied policies a feature of living in BC.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

British Columbia is a beautiful part of the country...inhabited almost entirely by dirtbags.

If Ontario is a fine Cuban cigar, BC is a greasy dented soda can crack pipe.

[Joe in PB]

Nobody lives in BC for culture, it's all about the outdoors.

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[Dinsdale]

British Columbia is a beautiful part of the country...inhabited almost entirely by dirtbags.

Well, they had some dude killing hookers and making them into sausage for a couple of decades, and nobody noticed (but ate the BBQ).

Pretty much all you need to know about BC.

[smackaholic]

Upper Messicans always get uppity with their vacation plans this time of year. 2 months later, winter rolls in and bitchslaps them upside the dome....again. And everyone with the means is in Ft Myers 2 weeks later.

[BSmack]

Upper Messicans always get uppity with their vacation plans this time of year. 2 months later, winter rolls in and bitchslaps them upside the dome....again. And everyone with the means is in Ft Myers 2 weeks later.

Is that what they call Cuba these days?

[smackaholic]

No, they usually call it Hialea. Ft Myers is still inhabited by mostly pale law abiding folk.


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[Dr_Phibes]

We generate revenue through taxes, not tickets. No cops on the road, no enforcement. Drive how you want.

I drove to Saratoga and marvelled at how Amerikans obeyed the rules of the road. The passing lane was for passing. Slow lane for slow vehicles. People did the speed limit. It was a pleasant revelation.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

I drove to Saratoga and marvelled at how Amerikans obeyed the rules of the road.

Of course. Americans are too afraid to step out of line...their regime does not countenance "free spirits". You will be sent to a maximum security detention gulag.

[smackaholic]

Phibes, you should have driven a bit further south and hung a right at Albany. 2 hours later, you'd be in the heart of Masshole country. I promise you, the worst Toronto driver couldn't hold a candle to those fukks. I have been spending way too much time on the wrong side of 495 these last few months. The combination of incompetence and open hostility really is impressive.

And you UMers are right about one thing, the shakedown racket, disguised as traffic law enforcement by the NY State police and most other state police for that matter, would make Vito Corleone blush.

At least the folks in the neighborhood got protection for their tribute to the neighborhood boss.

[BSmack]

. And you UMers are right about one thing, the shakedown racket, disguised as traffic law enforcement by the NY State police and most other state police for that matter, would make Vito Corleone blush.

At least the folks in the neighborhood got protection for their tribute to the neighborhood boss.

It's not hard to avoid a ticket on New York State interstates. Keep your speed under 72 miles an hour unless someone from Ontario passes you doing 90 and then you can ensure speed up to 75 for a while. I like watching Canadians pass me. They take the heat off of us locals.

[Dinsdale]

You get a ticket fr 72 on the interstate in NY?

Yet another reason I don't need to go there.

[Dr_Phibes]

It's not hard to avoid a ticket on New York State interstates.

My approach is when in Rome. What I don't understand is that everyone seems so orderly on the highway, then just like clockwork every ninety miles you're passing the cataclysmic carnage of a horrible wreck.

[Left Seater]

It's not hard to avoid a ticket on New York State interstates. Keep your speed under 72 miles an hour

Wait, you have to drive three MPH below the speed limit on an interstate to avoid a ticket? Got to agree with Dins. What a racket.

[smackaholic]

You get a ticket fr 72 on the interstate in NY?

Yet another reason I don't need to go there.

You’re OK at 72. Probably OK with 74, maybe 75.

76?

Get out your checkbook.

I was headed north on the Northway a few years back. Long downhill stretch. There was traffic ahead, so I was not on cruise control. Anyhoo, any modern car that isn’t a complete POS will feel like it’s doing 40 mph, right up to about 120 mph. So my usual, B approved 72, crept up to 76 and he bagged me.

What really pisses me off is the safety lecture.

Fukk you asshole, if you cared about safety, you’d target people driving wrecklessly in places where it actually is dangerous. But that’s work. Easier to sit at the bottom of a long downhill and pounce on people guilty of no more than taking their eye off the speedo for a few seconds.

It is revenue collection, plain and simple.


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[BSmack]

It's not hard to avoid a ticket on New York State interstates. Keep your speed under 72 miles an hour

Wait, you have to drive three MPH below the speed limit on an interstate to avoid a ticket? Got to agree with Dins. What a racket.

Interstate speed limit in New York is 65.

[smackaholic]

Only place with sensible speed limits in the U&R with sensible speed limits is Maine. Once you get the other side of Portland, interstates are 75.


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[Left Seater]

That blows. Only in cities are the interstates limited to 65. All other places are 75. Some places in West Texas are 80. Some of the new toll roads are 85.

[Dr_Phibes]

What really pisses me off is the safety lecture.

Dunno how it works down there, but screw the fine, the points is what matters. When you get to court, 'Guilty With An Excuse' is an automatic surrender of the fine and no points. And you haven't got to provide an excuse, it's a built in 'get out of jail free' mechanism, your insurance rate is safe.
Or just keep having the case remanded till the cop doesn't show up. You can claim to be anyone, they don't ask for ID.

[Derron]

You get a ticket fr 72 on the interstate in NY?

Yet another reason I don't need to go there.

That would be impeding traffic in Oregon. There is very little traffic enforcement in our state anymore. 85 is pretty much the rule on our interstates, with the exception of the stretch between Salem and Portland where 90 is more the norm. Of course there have been 16 traffic accident fatalities to date as of this morning this month so far, and being it is Saturday night there will be at least 2 more in the next 24 hours.

There will be the token speeder stopped and given a ticket, but the odds are pretty good of not getting caught. In AZ last year between Vegas and Flagstaff you could hold 85 - 90 pretty steady, all thought the roads were shit in spots.

[BSmack]

That would be impeding traffic in Oregon. There is very little traffic enforcement in our state anymore.

My father-in-law got nailed in Oregon I think he was doing 40 in a 30. They never bothered to pull him over, they just sent a picture of him along with the ticket to his home address. By the time the ticket got to him it was left with the choice to either pay up or fly back to fucking Oregon to defend himself against a camera. So save me that bullshit about how you guys don't have laws in Oregon.

[Left Seater]

Red light cameras, and speeding cameras are just a tax on car owners. They can’t prove who was operating the car at the time so it always falls on the owner of the car to pay the tax.

[Screw_Michigan]

Red light cameras, and speeding cameras are just a tax on car owners. They can’t prove who was operating the car at the time so it always falls on the owner of the car to pay the tax.

Why do you hate personal responsibility?

[Screw_Michigan]

You get a ticket fr 72 on the interstate in NY?

Yet another reason I don't need to go there.

You’re OK at 72. Probably OK with 74, maybe 75.

76?

Get out your checkbook.

I was headed north on the Northway a few years back. Long downhill stretch. There was traffic ahead, so I was not on cruise control. Anyhoo, any modern car that isn’t a complete POS will feel like it’s doing 40 mph, right up to about 120 mph. So my usual, B approved 72, crept up to 76 and he bagged me.

What really pisses me off is the safety lecture.

Fukk you asshole, if you cared about safety, you’d target people driving wrecklessly in places where it actually is dangerous. But that’s work. Easier to sit at the bottom of a long downhill and pounce on people guilty of no more than taking their eye off the speedo for a few seconds.

It is revenue collection, plain and simple.


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Cruise control was invented in 1948

[Left Seater]

Red light cameras, and speeding cameras are just a tax on car owners. They can’t prove who was operating the car at the time so it always falls on the owner of the car to pay the tax.

Why do you hate personal responsibility?

That’s just it, there is no personal responsibility. Say Mama Mustang lets you borrow her Mustang to take a date out to the shore some weekend. On that trip you get a red light ticket, a parking ticket and a camera speeding ticket. You get home and return the car to Mama Mustang. The tickets show up in a few weeks but get forwarded to AZ. In a month when she lets you know of the fines and you bitch and start searching the couch for change, she just has to pay it to avoid late payments.

No personal responsibility for the person who incurred the fines. Just on the car owner.

[BSmack]

Red light cameras, and speeding cameras are just a tax on car owners. They can’t prove who was operating the car at the time so it always falls on the owner of the car to pay the tax.

In this case they send a picture of him driving the car. There was no doubt. But the expense of fighting it if it was someone else would have been prohibitive.

[Left Seater]

In many cases with the visor down, hat and sunglasses on good luck identifying the person.

[Joe in PB]

Red light cameras, and speeding cameras are just a tax on car owners. They can’t prove who was operating the car at the time so it always falls on the owner of the car to pay the tax.

In San Diego red light cameras took a picture of the car, plates and driver, thankfully they have been removed because of inconsistencies brought forth in litigation. Speeding cameras are total shit imo. To error is human, but in our society it means pay up? Agree that is just another income maker for local municipalities, usually from out of towners who don't know where the cameras are.

[Screw_Michigan]

Red light cameras, and speeding cameras are just a tax on car owners. They can’t prove who was operating the car at the time so it always falls on the owner of the car to pay the tax.

In San Diego red light cameras took a picture of the car, plates and driver, thankfully they have been removed because of inconsistencies brought forth in litigation. Speeding cameras are total shit imo. To error is human, but in our society it means pay up? Agree that is just another income maker for local municipalities, usually from out of towners who don't know where the cameras are.

How about....wait for it....
















































Not speeding?

[Dinsdale]

with the exception of the stretch between Salem and Portland where 90 is more the norm.

I've been doing a bunch of work in Salem lately. Traffic is usually going 75-80 the whole way.

In this case they send a picture of him driving the car. There was no doubt. But the expense of fighting it if it was someone else would have been prohibitive.

So, the dude is a mouth-breathing morn, who couldn't be bothered reading Oregon law, or even the ticket itself?

Photo enforcement tickets in Oregon (which are only authorized in a few municipalities) are essentially voluntary. You can sign the "it wasn't me" line on the bottom of the ticket, and that's that (although the city of Beaverton will try to (illegally) push the issue further). One cannot be charged with perjury stemming from a photo enforcement citation.

[Left Seater]

Heard the same thing from cops in Texas. They even have a saying, 9 your fine - 10 your mine.