What would Left Seater not do?

Softball Bat · Post by **Softball Bat** » Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:25 am

Discuss...

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:18 am

This is a problem at uncontrolled fields. Everyone better be on their A game.

You can see this going wrong right from the first few seconds. Around the :12 sec mark you see the first of the two crash planes enter the screen. Around the :17 second mark you see the second plane enter the screen. Multiple problems are already showing themselves. The second plane enter the picture at a much higher altitude than does the first. The second plane is also moving much faster. This means the second plane is going to have a much steeper descent to the runway threshold.

In such a descent profile the first plane isn’t going to be visible to the second plane unless the pilot of the second plane is sitting way forward with his nose near the windscreen. Even then he might have trouble seeing the first plane. Of course no chance for the first plane to see the second one on final.

Way to early to know where blame will fall, but it likely will spread itself around.

Bottom line is I don’t like operating into uncontrolled fields for just this reason. Far to many doctors, lawyers, and stock brokers that think they know what the hell they are doing. They don’t and this is the sad result.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:33 am

Left Seater wrote: Way to early to know where blame will fall, but it likely will spread itself around.

Bottom line is I don’t like operating into uncontrolled fields for just this reason. Far to many doctors, lawyers, and stock brokers that think they know what the hell they are doing. They don’t and this is the sad result.

The video said this took place in 2013. It even said NTSB had made its ruling.

Softball Bat · Post by **Softball Bat** » Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:38 am

Left Seater wrote:You can see this going wrong right from the first few seconds. Around the :12 sec mark you see the first of the two crash planes enter the screen. Around the :17 second mark you see the second plane enter the screen. Multiple problems are already showing themselves. The second plane enter the picture at a much higher altitude than does the first. The second plane is also moving much faster. This means the second plane is going to have a much steeper descent to the runway threshold.

In such a descent profile the first plane isn’t going to be visible to the second plane unless the pilot of the second plane is sitting way forward with his nose near the windscreen. Even then he might have trouble seeing the first plane. Of course no chance for the first plane to see the second one on final.

Thanks!

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:46 am

Ok then. I stand corrected. I don’t follow every private plane crash.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:22 am

Johnson Creek has somewhat of a cowboy reputation with a lot of pilots going in and out of there. Not real high on my list because of what Lefty said, a lot, and I mean way more than the average uncontrolled field traffic. A lot of pilots in the area at the time, a lot of radio chatter, and one radio found turned way down. SOP was first call out three miles out which is fairly close in, I would be announcing at about 8, maybe 10 miles if a lot of traffic and make damn sure I had the sequencing straight in my head. Then again at 5, 3, with landmarks and 1 mile final.

The report said nothing about the aircraft on the field not announcing they were clearing the runway and causing the plane in front of the two crash ones to do a go around. No factor that I can see, the Cherokee was going to be at least 15 knots faster than the Tri Pacer and as Lefty said, at the height he was, probably never saw the Tri Pacer and was not paying attention to what ever kind of sequencing call outs there had been up to that time. You not only should do call outs,but maybe talk to each other a bit if you are unsure of the sequencing in front of you. The Cherokee looked way high and fast and had not set up real well for that landing and was going to be well down the runway at touch down.

Mountain flying is a unique thing, and too many pilots do not take extra training in mountain flying. Combine a high number of aircraft and some relative low time pilots and vastly different performing aircraft and shit like this is bound to happen. I am going to take a 12 hour mountain flying class next year since I will be operating out of Sisters, Oregon field and transiting the Cascade range fairly often. Routine flight but over mountainous terrain, the extra training cannot hurt.

Rooster · Post by **Rooster** » Tue Jul 03, 2018 4:52 am

Three things:
1) “S” turns are your friend. It clears the airspace around you.
2) Recognize that airfields are aircraft magnets and proceed accordingly.
3) Radio calls on CTAF help to eliminate confusion and give other pilots better SA.
Oh, and helicopter pilots aren’t forced to work the pattern. We just come in low from the direction most beneficial to us.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Jul 03, 2018 1:34 pm

Derron wrote:Johnson Creek has somewhat of a cowboy reputation with a lot of pilots going in and out of there. Not real high on my list because of what Lefty said, a lot, and I mean way more than the average uncontrolled field traffic.

Probably a bunch of hipster pilots with man buns. You best steer clear.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Jul 03, 2018 5:37 pm

Papa Willie wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:
Derron wrote:Johnson Creek has somewhat of a cowboy reputation with a lot of pilots going in and out of there. Not real high on my list because of what Lefty said, a lot, and I mean way more than the average uncontrolled field traffic.
Probably a bunch of hipster pilots with man buns. You best steer clear.
Offer something relevant or get the fuck out of here, old ni66er.

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It was very relevant, and a thoughtful heads up for Dohron the mo-ron. Go fuck yourself you fat ignorant mongoloid.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:01 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:
Probably a bunch of hipster pilots with man buns. You best steer clear.

Yeah, Central Idaho is noted for all its hipsters with man buns.

Are you fucking retarded?

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:09 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:
Probably a bunch of hipster pilots with man buns. You best steer clear.

Yeah, Central Idaho is noted for all its hipsters with man buns.

Are you fucking retarded?

You thought I was being serious?

Are you fucking retarded?

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Jul 03, 2018 6:12 pm

Softball Bat wrote:What would Left Seater not do?

Miss a meal?

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:07 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:
Probably a bunch of hipster pilots with man buns. You best steer clear.

Yeah, Central Idaho is noted for all its hipsters with man buns.

Are you fucking retarded?

If he even took the time to watch a few flight videos, of which there are thousands on YouTube you would be hard pressed to find any hipster man buns in the cockpit. Even general aviation flying takes some brains and discipline, something not found in man bun hipsters or old drunks from Wisconsin.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Tue Jul 03, 2018 11:55 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:
Softball Bat wrote:What would Left Seater not do?
Miss a meal?

Post a naked photo of himself on board dominated by dudes.

Rooster · Post by **Rooster** » Wed Jul 04, 2018 3:51 am

Aviation in general and pilots specifically are type A personalities. Man bun guys are not what the industry attracts. Their philosophy of life is not Chuck Yeager’s: “Rules are for people too small to make their own.” Jizz moppers and community organizers need not apply.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:44 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:
Softball Bat wrote:What would Left Seater not do?
Miss a meal?

That could apply to any of us.

Softball Bat · Post by **Softball Bat** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:17 am

Last week in Russia.

Go forward to about 1:10.

Lefty wouldn't do this...

Rooster · Post by **Rooster** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:47 am

Whoa. Nasty, nasty crash. Dude did a good job videoing it though, nice still hands, panned the camera well while tracking the flaming wreckage, didn’t start yelling much, and keep the fireball mostly centered in the screen. Good job, Mr. Russian!

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:27 pm

No flare on that approach? It also seemed quite fast, but who knows.

Crash seemed pretty survivable until the main chunk of the wreckage was slam dunked on the cockpit section just as it was coming to a stop.

Dr_Phibes · Post by **Dr_Phibes** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 5:36 pm

Derron wrote:
If he even took the time to watch a few flight videos, of which there are thousands on YouTube you would be hard pressed to find any hipster man buns in the cockpit. Even general aviation flying takes some brains and discipline, something not found in man bun hipsters or old drunks from Wisconsin.

Given the thread is a series of reckless catastrophes, man bun airlines would be a safer option.

Smackie Chan · Post by **Smackie Chan** » Mon Jan 28, 2019 6:12 pm

I'm all for freedom of expression, freedom to look however one wants, and freedom in general. Still, there should be mandatory jail time for anyone sporting a man bun or facial tattoos.

Softball Bat · Post by **Softball Bat** » Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:34 pm

Lefty wouldn't do this, either...

Female pilot.

In Canada.

Eh?

Kierland · Post by **Kierland** » Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:28 pm

Derron wrote: general aviation flying takes some brains and discipline, something not found in man bun hipsters or old drunks from Wisconsin.

And yet four of the absolute dumbest people on this board are all pilots.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:47 pm

You go angry racist.

Kierland · Post by **Kierland** » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:50 pm

Proof that Brokenseater wasn’t flying that plane is that it was tilting to the right.

Softball Bat · Post by **Softball Bat** » Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:15 am

Lefty also probably wouldn't let his aircraft split in half.

18 dead and scores of others injured.

What the hell kind of a runway is this?

Yikes!

Innocent Bystander · Post by **Innocent Bystander** » Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:06 pm

Rooster wrote: ↑Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:47 am Whoa. Nasty, nasty crash. Dude did a good job videoing it though, nice still hands, panned the camera well while tracking the flaming wreckage, didn’t start yelling much, and keep the fireball mostly centered in the screen. Good job, Mr. Russian!

The video is gone :(

Innocent Bystander · Post by **Innocent Bystander** » Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:13 pm

Softball Bat wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:34 pm Lefty wouldn't do this, either...

Female pilot.

In Canada.

Eh?

Male instructor, female student, instructor was in control. Many pants were wetted.

Kierland wrote: ↑Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:28 pm
Derron wrote: general aviation flying takes some brains and discipline, something not found in man bun hipsters or old drunks from Wisconsin.
And yet four of the absolute dumbest people on this board are all pilots.

:( Dude ...

Softball Bat wrote: ↑Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:15 am Lefty also probably wouldn't let his aircraft split in half.

18 dead and scores of others injured.

What the hell kind of a runway is this?

Yikes!

Makes it harder for people to take a dump directly on the runway? Don't know. Be an interesting answer.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:35 pm

Rain, long flight, hmmm.

Not knowing anything other than the abc story here is a wild assed guess.

Pilots are tired and low on fuel. They were way long on the touchdown maybe due to winds coming out of the storm. Instead of executing a missed approach, they got aggressive. Full brakes and reverse thrust and they skidded right off a slick runway.

In the rain on a perfect runway you want to land like it is an aircraft carrier. Firmly with damn near all the runway in front of you. This gets the weight on the wheels quickly and dumps the lift with auto spoilers armed. Then go to your reversers, and continue to use the rudder for direction control. When you are slow enough that the rudder is no longer viable, then start working the brakes.

Softball Bat · Post by **Softball Bat** » Sat Nov 14, 2020 5:57 am

Freeway landing gone awry!

Nobody died?

John Wayne Airport.

lol

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:24 pm

Probably a Dr or Lawyer who think they know everything. Dude reports he has an engine out. Ok that is certainly an issue, but nothing that would cause complete hull loss alone.

As you can see on the video dude was making some pretty wild attitude changes. He comes into the shot in a hard right bank very low. Then a few frames later he has the plane in a left bank.

When you are low on power you want soft gentile movements and altitude. Dude was probably panicked and that led to poor decisions. The story said he had just departed. Fly our just over the Pacific, turn circles, brief the approach and landing, get a feel for how the plane handles, then ask for what you want.

Kierland · Post by **Kierland** » Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:31 pm

He was a pilot, do you have to deflect and attack in EVERY post?
Party of responsibility.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:37 pm

Holy smokes, that was messy. Do we know if the pilot was a Rice grad? :)

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Sat Nov 14, 2020 5:06 pm

Probably from Cougar High.

Kierland · Post by **Kierland** » Sat Nov 14, 2020 5:37 pm

Keep deflecting fatty.

Softball Bat · Post by **Softball Bat** » Thu Nov 04, 2021 2:00 pm

Do you want me to call the cops? Because I will. I'll call them right now.

I asked him for his vaccine card.

:)

This is how Lefty would calmly defuse such a potentially explosive situation...

Spaz was run!

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Thu Nov 04, 2021 5:24 pm

There are plenty of these vax cops on board these days. They don't get nearly the run in the press the non-maskers do, but they are out there.

I have been asked multiple times if I am vaccinated as a passenger on planes. In every situation I have not responded or told them it is none of their business.

The current Federal Mask Mandate for travel ends on Jan 18th. The airline pilots and waitress unions are pushing hard behind the scenes for this to be allowed to expire and for it not to be extended. They are tired of being the maks police.

My guess is it is extended one more time and then it is allowed to expire. The Biden Administration does not want to go into 2022 campaigns and have the GOP use that against them. Biden will want to claim "victory" over the Rona before the elections.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:58 am

Left Seater wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 5:24 pm There are plenty of these vax cops on board these days. They don't get nearly the run in the press the non-maskers do, but they are out there.

I have been asked multiple times if I am vaccinated as a passenger on planes. In every situation I have not responded or told them it is none of their business.

The current Federal Mask Mandate for travel ends on Jan 18th. The airline pilots and waitress unions are pushing hard behind the scenes for this to be allowed to expire and for it not to be extended. They are tired of being the maks police.

My guess is it is extended one more time and then it is allowed to expire. The Biden Administration does not want to go into 2022 campaigns and have the GOP use that against them. Biden will want to claim "victory" over the Rona before the elections.

I didn't watch Dan Vogel's video because I have better things to do. But I am assuming this bimbo demanded a seat change because she asked the passenger next to her if he or she was vaccinated and didn't like her response. You assume that risk when you are flying, lady, and she's out of line asking for the vaccination status of her neighbors and demanding new seats if she doesn't like her answer.

I agree that Biden should let the mask mandate for commercial airlines expire in January. The smarter move would be to immediately replace it with a vaccine mandate.

Softball Bat · Post by **Softball Bat** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:26 am

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:39 am

Screw_Michigan wrote: ↑Fri Nov 05, 2021 12:58 am
I agree that Biden should let the mask mandate for commercial airlines expire in January. The smarter move would be to immediately replace it with a vaccine mandate.

I understand that it has been discussed. The issue with it is of course the implementation. Do you have the airlines confirm status? The TSA? Some other group?

The airlines aren’t set up for this and the TSA fails at basic tasks of their job.