Warmist/Alarmists

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:49 am

The observed readings aren’t matching up with the forecast except in a few locations. Doesn’t mean the damage wasn’t extensive to those that were affected.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:51 am

I don’t know. From here it seems pretty bad. But if you say it’s overrated I guess I’ll just have to go along with that. Have a nice day.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/hurricane-tra ... d=58377692

FiatLux · Post by **FiatLux** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:31 am

Is florida still part of the us ?

I thought we sawed that southern shithole off the map;

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:43 pm

Has anyone actually seen recorded wind speeds of 155 mph from this storm or is that number (widely reported) based on estimates or best guesses? The highest official observed number I have seen is 134. Certainly destructive and nothing to sneeze at, but still 21 mph below the widely reported speed.

Carson · Post by **Carson** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:51 pm

Tyndall AFB reported 129 before their weather station went offline.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:59 pm

Left Seater wrote:Has anyone actually seen recorded wind speeds of 155 mph from this storm or is that number (widely reported) based on estimates or best guesses? The highest official observed number I have seen is 134. Certainly destructive and nothing to sneeze at, but still 21 mph below the widely reported speed.

The NOAA keeps a lot of data. You just need to search around on their website. Not easy from a phone BTW.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 3:53 pm

I know they do. I also have seen a good number of stations failed when winds reached 116+. I will look around some more, but have been watching the Westher Channel coverage and they have reported a ton of wind speed readings but none close to 155.

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:09 pm

FiatLux wrote:I thought we sawed that southern shithole off the map

A guy who touts the following city as beautiful

then calls Florida a "shit hole" is pretty rich.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:51 pm

The third most-powerful hurricane in recorded history to hit the U.S. mainland, Michael washed away homes, destroyed vehicles and ripped apart buildings with maximum sustained winds of 155 mph.

That's one or two mph short of a category 5. Are you all afraid that if you don't downplay the severity of these storms that they will lend credence to climate change?

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:12 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:...credence...

whatever...close enough...go fuck a chainsaw

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 10:17 pm

Papa Willie wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:
The third most-powerful hurricane in recorded history to hit the U.S. mainland, Michael washed away homes, destroyed vehicles and ripped apart buildings with maximum sustained winds of 155 mph.
That's one or two mph short of a category 5. Are you all afraid that if you don't downplay the severity of these storms that they will lend credence to climate change?
You’re buying their sales job, aren’t you? When trying to form an educated theory on something, would it be logical to only use 0.000000003% of available information?

Yes, it's all a plot. The government brought in hundreds of bulldozers last night and leveled all those house at Mexico Beach. Idiot.

Every media report I saw put the winds at 155 mph. Including the quote above. Which came from Fox News.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:37 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:
The third most-powerful hurricane in recorded history to hit the U.S. mainland, Michael washed away homes, destroyed vehicles and ripped apart buildings with maximum sustained winds of 155 mph.
That's one or two mph short of a category 5. Are you all afraid that if you don't downplay the severity of these storms that they will lend credence to climate change?

Hardly. My questions are leaning the other way. I have seen zero confirmed reports of 155 sustained winds. Yet the storm surge was Roll Tide efficient. Is this storm overstated for ratings? Did this destruction happen in a true category 3 storm?

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:11 pm

Educate yourself, fat boy:

https://www.coastalliving.com/lifestyle ... nce-andrew

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 600168002/

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:57 pm

Papa Willie wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:Educate yourself, fat boy:

https://www.coastalliving.com/lifestyle ... nce-andrew

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 600168002/
What part of actual buoy information don't you understand, you silly knigger?

As far as what it did where I live, it wasn't as strong as Irma was last year, so get fucked.

They measured the hurricanes at landfall, you fat fucking retard. Not from a buoy out at sea. And certainly not from the shithole where you live. You really are this stupid.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 7:52 pm

Papa Willie wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:They measured the hurricanes at landfall, you fat fucking retard. Not from a buoy out at sea. And certainly not from the shithole where you live. You really are this stupid.
It's a good thing nobody has ever lied. Well, I did. About the hurricane named Michael. Please stop picking on me. My pussy really hurts!!!

Kierland · Post by **Kierland** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:17 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:
Papa Willie wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:They measured the hurricanes at landfall, you fat fucking retard. Not from a buoy out at sea. And certainly not from the shithole where you live. You really are this stupid.
It's a good thing nobody has ever lied. Well, I did. About the hurricane named Michael. Please stop picking on me. My pussy really hurts!!!

You really are and idiot. Responding to tardspray?

:doh:

Bucmonkey · Post by **Bucmonkey** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:59 pm

You are one dense fuck spray...let us know when the monitoring stations quit monitoring please other than that cartoon...Clueless redneck...

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:04 pm

All of the back and forth aside, I still can’t find a recorded wind speed of 155. I have seen some where it is estimated based on observations and of the destruction. Anyone?

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:07 pm

Edit: I was answering Melty's post here, but LS, here's your 155 recorded wind speed.

Wed 1:00 pm CDT:

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2018/a ... .016.shtml?

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...155 MPH...250 KM/H

You can see archived reports, at least hourly, right here:

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2018/MICHAEL.shtml

So, no, there weren't 155 mph winds everywhere for an extended period of time. But the NWS recorded 155 mph. I know you'd rather believe Alex Jones or Fat Limbaugh than those teat sucking government scientists, but your lack of ability to apply any sort of coherent reason has already been well documented.

Who really cares if it was 140 or 155? Maybe better to err on the side of caution when life or death, or going against a Sicilian, is involved.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:10 pm

Bucmonkey wrote:You are one dense fuck spray...

Thank you Captain Obvious.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:12 pm

As you can see from the discussions side, the wind speeds decreased, as would be expected, pretty quickly as soon as it made landfall.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2018/a ... .017.shtml?

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:00 pm

You don't read too well (if at all) do you?

Kierland · Post by **Kierland** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:08 pm

Papa Willie wrote:
Mikey wrote:Edit: I was answering Melty's post here, but LS, here's your 155 recorded wind speed.

Wed 1:00 pm CDT:

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2018/a ... .016.shtml?

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...155 MPH...250 KM/H
You can see archived reports, at least hourly, right here:

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2018/MICHAEL.shtml

So, no, there weren't 155 mph winds everywhere for an extended period of time. But the NWS recorded 155 mph. I know you'd rather believe Alex Jones or Fat Limbaugh than those teat sucking government scientists, but your lack of ability to apply any sort of coherent reason has already been well documented.

Who really cares if it was 140 or 155? Maybe better to err on the side of caution when life or death, or going against a Sicilian, is involved.

Sustained winds of 155?

That's utter shit. They may have recorded (somewhere) a 155 gust, but not 155 sustained.

Going back to that original marine forecast I posted. 75' seas? Bwahahaha! Absolute horseshit. There's probably never been a 75' wave in the GoM... The Tyndall buoy never recorded anything over 31' (last I saw, and that was after landfall), and it was on the east side of the wall.

THAT is what I'm bitching about. They were exaggerating. Like fuck.

Ha. Fatty thought someone would actually read his post after all he has done for two decades is shit on the board. Stupid fatty.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:49 pm

This thread has not gone very well for Melty.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:18 pm

Papa Willie wrote:All I saw was:

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...155 MPH...250 KM/H

With a herculean effort and some professional diet advice you might someday see your dick without using a mirror.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:38 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:Educate yourself, fat boy:

https://www.coastalliving.com/lifestyle ... nce-andrew

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 600168002/

Uhm... YHKYOA. See if you can figure out why.

Mikey wrote:an extended period of time

Grammar FAIL!

Kierland · Post by **Kierland** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:46 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
Uhm... YHKYOA. See if you can figure out why.

God forbid you have an actual take.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:50 pm

Kierland wrote: God forbid you have an actual take.

Wow -- talk about the ~~midget~~ pot calling the ~~dwarf~~ kettle ~~short~~ black.

Kierland · Post by **Kierland** » Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:46 am

Do tell tard.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:22 am

Papa Willie wrote:https://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/data/realtime2/PCBF1.txt

That is from the PCB weather station. At 5:36, they got their highest gust of 45 mph (39.1 knots). Go ahead. Look. It's not that hard.

Tyndall AFB (yellow station off coast of Apalachicola):
https://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/data/derived2/SGOF1.dmv

Shell Point:
https://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/data/realtime2/SHPF1.txt

Still looking for the 155...

Try clicking the link in my post...

jeez you're even dumber than I thought

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:25 am

There's a blue highlighted string of letters in the next line down from this one. Move your mouse until the arrow is on top of and pointing at it. Click with the left button.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2018/a ... .016.shtml

Scroll down the page until you see this information:

SUMMARY OF 100 PM CDT...1800 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...30.0N 85.5W
ABOUT 5 MI...10 KM NW OF MEXICO BEACH FLORIDA
ABOUT 20 MI...30 KM SE OF PANAMA CITY FLORIDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...155 MPH...250 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NNE OR 20 DEGREES AT 14 MPH...22 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...919 MB...27.14 INCHES

I know it's all technical and stuff, and you don't trust science-speak, but it really does say 155 mph.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:56 am

Papa Willie wrote:
Mikey wrote:There's a blue highlighted string of letters in the next line down from this one. Move your mouse until the arrow is on top of and pointing at it. Click with the left button.

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2018/a ... .016.shtml

Scroll down the page until you see this information:

SUMMARY OF 100 PM CDT...1800 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...30.0N 85.5W
ABOUT 5 MI...10 KM NW OF MEXICO BEACH FLORIDA
ABOUT 20 MI...30 KM SE OF PANAMA CITY FLORIDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...155 MPH...250 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NNE OR 20 DEGREES AT 14 MPH...22 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...919 MB...27.14 INCHES
I know it's all technical and stuff, and you don't trust science-speak, but it really does say 155 mph.
Stuppo - I'm WELL aware of what that said. I'm merely presenting factual observations that were recorded by weather stations and buoys - you know - that were IN the fucking thing?

You mean as opposed to the NOAA aircraft that were flying through it?

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:58 am

Thanks for the effort Mikey, but I am not looking for a bulletin. I want the actual wind speed data as recorded by one of the many recording stations the weather service uses. I also understand some will fail. But in those cases we would still have the record up to the time at which they did fail.

Further I am not trying to use this info to call anyone out or point blame. Rather I think we do a pretty poor job recording non standard weather events. There will also be take aways from this storm in the form of insurance and building code updates. These should have the best/accurate weather data to follow rather than a best guess or after the fact reconstruction.

I also understand that getting accurate readings is very difficult. NOAA and the NHC use drops from Hurricane Hunter aircraft to determine much of the wind speeds and pressure. But the closer those drops get to the ground the less accurate they are and readings from oil platforms and buoys are a better indicator.

Anywho, let me know if you happen across an actual reading.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:22 pm

Left Seater wrote:But the closer those drops get to the ground the less accurate they are and readings from oil platforms and buoys are a better indicator.

Well, other than the fact that platforms and buoys are out at sea and the storm intensified quickly as it approached land.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:27 pm

Papa Willie wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:
Left Seater wrote:But the closer those drops get to the ground the less accurate they are and readings from oil platforms and buoys are a better indicator.
Well, other than the fact that platforms and buoys are out at sea and the storm intensified quickly as it approached land.
Never mind the fact that the stations I gave those wind speeds from were close to land or ON land, you ancient fuckup. Guess you’re just too old to know any better.

You’re pitiful.

The buoys were on land? Check Mikey's link, you stupid fat fucking retard.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:00 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:
Left Seater wrote:But the closer those drops get to the ground the less accurate they are and readings from oil platforms and buoys are a better indicator.
Well, other than the fact that platforms and buoys are out at sea and the storm intensified quickly as it approached land.

What are you trying to get at? Lots of assumptions if I am reading your post correctly. First it assumes there are no platforms or buoys in near shore coastal waters. Second it builds upon that by assuming the rapid intensification came inshore of most/all platforms and buoys. Thirdly, that somehow the trailing side didn’t intensify at the same rate or something since platforms and buoys didn’t record higher wind speeds.

But even assuming that all those assumptions are true (which I don’t) it still doesn’t explain the lack of evidence supporting the 155mph wind claim.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:10 pm

Did you bother to open Mikey's link, you babbling dumbfuck? Hell you couldn't even read his posts. Nice ubb skills, tubby.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:10 pm

You calling anyone stupid is hilarious. Mikey's link:

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2018/a ... .016.shtml

BULLETIN
Hurricane Michael Intermediate Advisory Number 16A...Corrected
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL142018
100 PM CDT Wed Oct 10 2018

Corrected pressure in inches in summary block and text

...MICHAEL INTENSIFIES AS IT MAKES LANDFALL NEAR MEXICO BEACH
FLORIDA...
...LIFE-THREATENING STORM SURGE...HURRICANE FORCE WINDS...AND HEAVY
RAINFALL OCCURING OVER THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE...

SUMMARY OF 100 PM CDT...1800 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...30.0N 85.5W
ABOUT 5 MI...10 KM NW OF MEXICO BEACH FLORIDA
ABOUT 20 MI...30 KM SE OF PANAMA CITY FLORIDA
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...155 MPH...250 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...NNE OR 20 DEGREES AT 14 MPH...22 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...919 MB...27.14 INCHES

Recent data from NOAA and Air Force Reserve Hurricane Hunter
aircraft indicate that maximum sustained winds have increased to
near 155 mph (250 km/h) with higher gusts. Michael is an extremely
dangerous category 4 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Wind
Scale. Michael should weaken as it crosses the southeastern United
States. Michael is forecast to become a post-tropical cyclone on
Friday, and strengthening is forecast as the system moves over the
western Atlantic.

Is it sinking into your fat head yet, Melty?

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:20 pm

So we're all in agreement that maximum sustained winds did increase to near 155 mph (250 km/h) with higher gusts. Glad to see you're finally accepting FACTS.

Left Seater · Post by **Left Seater** » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:24 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:So we're all in agreement that maximum sustained winds did increase to near 155 mph (250 km/h) with higher gusts. Glad to see you're finally accepting FACTS.

We are? Show me the station, buoy or measuring point where 155 was recorded. Don’t show us a statement that it is/was 155. Show us the actual data from said device.

Softball bat can say the earth is flat all day...doesn’t mean a damn thing though.