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I will after lunch.

SCS, either get in or stay out. Standing on the sidelines is a good look for you, it fits you well, and you continue to demonstrate why.

DrDetroit wrote:SCS, either get in or stay out. Standing on the sidelines is a good look for you, it fits you well, and you continue to demonstrate why.

Detard have you ever wondered why you are such a pariah?

I don't get involved with this thread because there is enough people brow beating your whiny ass all over it as it is. All I would be doing is reiterating the rest of the sentiments.

Besides why should I recognize your statements when that will only encourage you further to tard up this forum as you do so many others around here?

SCS, fuck off...

How you can characterize a poster as being whiney by engaging several others in a semi-serious discussion is quite revealing. It demonstrates that you're a pussy, plain and simple. You are the problem with these types of boards. You sit back and think that your opinion is infallible and cast down upon those who disagree with you these cheeky aspersions as though they prove something. Well, they do...they prove that you're a pussy.

And no one is getting their ass beat in this thread. Even characterizing it as such demonstrates, too, that you're a pussy. It's funny that you frame this board as a place where people get their asses kicked as opposed, say, to one where ideas are exchanged, discussed, etc. That reveals a weakness of yours...it exposes the fact that you're paranoid about your opinions and have to resort to descriptions of physical violence to characterize your posting here.

As for why you don't offer your opinion...it's not your opinion, it's someone else's. You're simply latching onto someone else's opinion to take a swipe at me, period.

If yuo wanna help MGo out and actually address the points I made...feel free. On the other, if not, then stfu and go back to pacing on the sidelines, hiding behind the other guys, screaming, "Yeah, boss, get him, get him, boss."

Simply declaring that someone is wrong holds zero merit...much like many of your arguments.

DrDetroit wrote:SCS, fuck off...

How you can characterize a poster as being whiney by engaging several others in a semi-serious discussion is quite revealing. It demonstrates that you're a pussy, plain and simple. You are the problem with these types of boards. You sit back and think that your opinion is infallible and cast down upon those who disagree with you these cheeky aspersions as though they prove something. Well, they do...they prove that you're a pussy.

And no one is getting their ass beat in this thread. Even characterizing it as such demonstrates, too, that you're a pussy. It's funny that you frame this board as a place where people get their asses kicked as opposed, say, to one where ideas are exchanged, discussed, etc. That reveals a weakness of yours...it exposes the fact that you're paranoid about your opinions and have to resort to descriptions of physical violence to characterize your posting here.

As for why you don't offer your opinion...it's not your opinion, it's someone else's. You're simply latching onto someone else's opinion to take a swipe at me, period.

If yuo wanna help MGo out and actually address the points I made...feel free. On the other, if not, then stfu and go back to pacing on the sidelines, hiding behind the other guys, screaming, "Yeah, boss, get him, get him, boss."

Simply declaring that someone is wrong holds zero merit...much like many of your arguments.

College football has a playoff system. It's called the fucking season. It's the last sport in America where the season means something and every game is a must win situation if you have championchip aspirations.

I think a playoff system would be great but b/c of the money situation, I dont see it happening for at least another 5 years. The BCS needs to go away and I would be happy w/ going back to the AP/Coaches poll deciding the National Champion. It seems like there was less bitching.

My one reason for maybe not wanting a playoff is that it would take away some of the excitement from the reg season.

SunCoastSooner wrote:College football has a playoff system. It's called the fucking season. It's the last sport in America where the season means something and every game is a must win situation if you have championchip aspirations.

Well, thanks for sacking up and having a take.

But that doesn't address the issue that the playoff advocates have with the current system...that there is no clear or "true" NC.

DrDetroit wrote:

SunCoastSooner wrote:College football has a playoff system. It's called the fucking season. It's the last sport in America where the season means something and every game is a must win situation if you have championchip aspirations.

Well, thanks for sacking up and having a take.

But that doesn't address the issue that the playoff advocates have with the current system...that there is no clear or "true" NC.

You mean the Wahhhhhhhh we scheduled 3 directional schools and a DivII OOC and didn't get to play for the NC. Fuck 'em Sack up and play a few teams outside of your immeidate region who are worth a shit.

Hey, I agree with you on that score. That's why I'm not an advocate of a playoff system...well, one of the several reasons.

You, too, have no evidence that it would work in D-I, primarily because it has not been tried.

I have evidence that it works on every other level of college football. Though I concede to you there are differences between the various levels, I don't believe those differences to be so extreme, that you can so easily eliminate any notion of practicality of it working at the D1 level.

I've already stated that it would be impractical and I have listed the reasons for that

Ok. I scrolled below and searched for your reasons of impracticality. This is the only thing I could find that went into any sort of detail regarding this stance:

I think we would all agree that DI football players have significant time requirements as it is now during the regular season. And while I get that part of that time in late December is off-time from classes, there's still three weeks of December of classess and exams. Preparing for playoff games during those weeks while also wrapping up class projects and then preparing for exams?? I think that is pushing the limits too far.

This is your stance behind the notion of impracticality? First off, last I checked, schools in other divisions are basically on the same schooling schedule as D1 schools. So how is it practical for all those other schools in lower divisions, but it's not for d1 schools? Doesn't make sense. Also, as a student athlete...who do you think has a more difficult task in terms of preparing for exams...Ivy League student Athletes (div 1aa) or Big Ten student athletes? Who has a bigger task...Patriot League student athletes or SEC student athletes. I can guarantee you there isn't anyone going into the Ivy League or the Patriot League as a gateway for the NFL. You're right in that still most of the d1 players will not go pro, but MANY of them are vying for it. No one in the Ivy League is...very rare exceptions included.

Let's rehash. You explained how the schooling schedule is too difficult for the d1 players to play more games than they already do (god forbid they drop an out of conference cupcake or two to make room, but that's a whole other debate). I say well the other divisions ALREADY DO THIS. So, what is your argument as to why the d1 players aren't capable of it, but players from other divisions are?

Secondly, I do have experience with DIII football having attended a DIII college and DII football having attended a DII university

Good for you. But you don't have the experience of the d1 football player lifestyle to be able to compare the two, so none of that means anything in this argument.

You have merely argued that DII and DIII successfully use it, yet haven't demonstrated why it wold similarly work in DI other than relying on that DI and DII/DIII both play the same game

I think a 16 team playoff COULD work in division 1, but I don't think it will ever happen. My contention has always been that of initiating a 4 team playoff. In a four team playoff only two teams will play 2 extra games. Out of 119 teams in div1, only TWO teams will have to suffer the "dire consequences" and "impracticalities" that you speak of. And of course, the other two teams will only have to prepare for ONE more game. I just don't see how these 1 - 2 extra games that only .03% of the schools will play in will completely damage the system. It's insulting to the human race, as intelligent beings, to make the claim that we can't find a way to make that work under any level of practicality.

I have evidence that it works on every other level of college football. Though I concede to you there are differences between the various levels, I don't believe those differences to be so extreme, that you can so easily eliminate any notion of practicality of it working at the D1 level.

The evidence that it works at other levels of college ball only matters if you can say that those other levels are comparable to DI. While you concede that the differences I noted exist, you argue that they are not so extreme as to suggest that a playoff system could work similarly at the DI level. Fair point...but it's not a matter of degree , i.e., doesn't matter if the differences are "so extreme." The differences are what they are...differences. And you haven't explained why those differences don't affect what I call the impractical nature of a DI playoff system. Hence, the differences cannot and should not be written so easily/hastily.

DII/DIII ball simply does not demand the same level of time committment that DI ball does, whether for actual game time, practice and training time, travel time, etc. Now recall that I made this argument in response to Shoalzie's suggestion of a 16-team playoff. Hence, this proposed system extends the 12-game season to at least 16 weeks, more like 17 (since it is unlikely we'd see back-to-back games played) and extends to the end of the school year. It eats up the time devoted otherwise devoted to completing end-of-semester projects and preparing for exams. Wihtout the same time committments for DII/III players, a playoff there doesn't affect them as much as they have more time during the regular season to complete projects and prepare for exams.

Ok. I scrolled below and searched for your reasons of impracticality. This is the only thing I could find that went into any sort of detail regarding this stance:

So I didn't argue anything about the role of the polls, at all? :roll:

This is your stance behind the notion of impracticality? First off, last I checked, schools in other divisions are basically on the same schooling schedule as D1 schools. So how is it practical for all those other schools in lower divisions, but it's not for d1 schools? Doesn't make sense.

Sure it does if you consider the last point I made re: less time devoted to football during the regular season permits more time to complete projects and prepare for exams while accomodating a playoff schedule.

Also, as a student athlete...who do you think has a more difficult task in terms of preparing for exams...Ivy League student Athletes (div 1aa) or Big Ten student athletes?

Irrelevant.

Who has a bigger task...Patriot League student athletes or SEC student athletes. I can guarantee you there isn't anyone going into the Ivy League or the Patriot League as a gateway for the NFL.

Again, irrelevant.

You're right in that still most of the d1 players will not go pro, but MANY of them are vying for it. No one in the Ivy League is...very rare exceptions included.

Irrelevant, again. Any mention of the NFL here is completely irrelevant. You;re not arguing for a playoff system because it improves the odds of college ball players making it to the NFL.

Let's rehash. You explained how the schooling schedule is too difficult for the d1 players to play more games than they already do (god forbid they drop an out of conference cupcake or two to make room, but that's a whole other debate). I say well the other divisions ALREADY DO THIS. So, what is your argument as to why the d1 players aren't capable of it, but players from other divisions are?

Again, I am not arguing that it is too difficult. It's impractical for two reasons: a) the polls are still involved (a principal argument of those who are proposing a playoff system); and b) you're improperly infringing upon the student part of student-athletes. As I said before...DI ball is not a NFL farm league, that's not why it exists.

Good for you. But you don't have the experience of the d1 football player lifestyle to be able to compare the two, so none of that means anything in this argument.

Well, you have neither, hence your earlier comment about my argument resting on assumptions of program and player adversity that I have no personal experience with is moot then. How you could attempt to undermine by arguments with a comment like that when you similarly lack any such personal experience can only be characterized as hypocritical and wholly irrelevant. You're better than this.

I think a 16 team playoff COULD work in division 1, but I don't think it will ever happen.

It certainly could work, I never argued it was impossible, only that it was impractical.

My contention has always been that of initiating a 4 team playoff. In a four team playoff only two teams will play 2 extra games. Out of 119 teams in div1, only TWO teams will have to suffer the "dire consequences" and "impracticalities" that you speak of.

Hence, that's the reason that i did not use that argument relative your four-team proposal and relied only on the role of polls in that type of system.

And of course, the other two teams will only have to prepare for ONE more game. I just don't see how these 1 - 2 extra games that only .03% of the schools will play in will completely damage the system. It's insulting to the human race, as intelligent beings, to make the claim that we can't find a way to make that work under any level of practicality.

Again, you taking an argument of mine directed at a Shoalzie's proposal and applying it yours when I didn't make that argument relative to your four-team scheme.

Do you want to debate how basketball can get it done, in D1A, with more games per week, with a longer season, or do you just want to let that slide by?

Killian wrote:Do you want to debate how basketball can get it done, in D1A, with more games per week, with a longer season, or do you just want to let that slide by?

Letting it slide, Killian.

I just don't know.

Believe the Heupel wrote:How do basketball graduation rates compare to those of football?

That was my first thought...but I just don't know. But I'd imagine that they are not that different...

Believe the Heupel wrote:My hypothesis is that they're MUCH lower in basketball.

And they're going to go much lower with the new NBA rule.

You're right, BtH, it's not a sole determinant...but there's got to be a relationship.

Hence, given that, I'd rather not replicate it in college football.

Killian wrote:

Believe the Heupel wrote:My hypothesis is that they're MUCH lower in basketball.

And they're going to go much lower with the new NBA rule.

How so?

DrDetroit wrote:

Killian wrote:

Believe the Heupel wrote:My hypothesis is that they're MUCH lower in basketball.

And they're going to go much lower with the new NBA rule.

How so?

Pretty simple...

Kids who would normally make the jump straight to the NBA from high school are now goiong to be required to either go to college for a couple years or play in smaller basketball leagues or go overseas for a couple years.

Marketing themselves for the NBA would be best in college due to TV coverage. Therefore, these high school "phenoms" will go to college a couple years and then go to the NBA, cutting scholarships from kids who might be 4/5 year student athletes.

And your Duke/North Carolina/Kentucky/etc. will all have NBA ready kids every year. Look for these schools to win the vast majority of NCAA tourneys year in and year out until the NBA changes its age limit rule.

Thanks...I just hadn't thought about the new age rule and how it would affect college ball.

Irrelevant, again. Any mention of the NFL here is completely irrelevant. You;re not arguing for a playoff system because it improves the odds of college ball players making it to the NFL.

It's very relevant as it pertains to my point. My point was how student athletes at some of the smaller schools can have equal time constraints, but more so on an academic level. I believe, on the whole, div1aa - div111 kids have more pressures academically than kids that play at schools within the major conferences. Why is it fair for you to argue about time constraints, but when I do, it's irrelevant?

Again, I am not arguing that it is too difficult. It's impractical for two reasons: a) the polls are still involved (a principal argument of those who are proposing a playoff system); and b) you're improperly infringing upon the student part of student-athletes. As I said before...DI ball is not a NFL farm league, that's not why it exists.

#1 Polling systems are used at every divisional level already. The Gridiron Power Index for div1aa is the top indicator for at large playoff selections. So are all of these playoff systems that no one complains about frauds? If so, please point out specific examples...dates, schools, etc.

#2 D1 ball may not be any sort of "official" farm league, but for all intents and purposes, it absolutely is. What avenue, other than D1 football, do kids out of high school have to get to the NFL? NFL scouts aren't exactly scouring CFL and Arena league games for talent. Save your Kurt Warner emails, clones.

Killian wrote:Do you want to debate how basketball can get it done, in D1A, with more games per week, with a longer season, or do you just want to let that slide by?

I was going to bring that up but I figured I'd get an...

irrelevant

It is quite interesting how very PRACTICAL it is for D1 b-ball players to travel more, play more games, be a part of a 64 team playoff, yet football players can't pull off the same feats on a much smaller scale. And think of the kids that play BOTH d1 football and basketball. DrD simply underestimates human ability.

Shoalzie's proposal makes some sense, just a few criticisms:

1. Prefer ND to remain independent. Absent some compelling considerations, that's what's best for ND, and by extension imho, best for college football.

2. WAC/MWC merger would be close to the way the WAC was in the mid-to-late 1990's. Most of the teams from the former SWC (exception: Houston) which were left out of the Big 12 wound up in the WAC, along with Tulsa, UNLV, and I believe San Jose State. It didn't work out, which is why the MWC exists today. Why would you think the result would be different if you tried it again?

3. Temple is scheduled to join the MAC in 2007, not sure whether it'll be a football-only membership or in all sports.

4. If you look at college hockey's conference alignment, it is radically different from conference alignments for other college sports. True, college hockey is a different animal from most other college sports, but so is college football. So why shouldn't college football's conference alignment reflect that fact? If you're going to funnel every team into a conference as part of a playoff solution, perhaps it would be better to shitcan the entire conference alignment as it currently exists, and go with something along the lines of the suggestion at http://www.projectplayoffs.com

As for those who suggest that a 16-team playoff would make qualifying for the playoff too easy, among what I consider the six major spectator sports in the U.S. (NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, D-1A college football and D-1 college basketball), the college football playoff would still have, far and away, the smallest percentage of teams qualifying for its playoff:

NBA: 16/30 teams = 53.3%
NHL: 16/30 teams = 53.3%
NFL: 12/32 teams = 37.5%
MLB: 8/30 teams = 26.7%
D-1 NCAA basketball: 65/332 teams = 19.6%
D-1A NCAA football: 16/119 teams = 13.4%

Terry in Crapchester wrote:Shoalzie's proposal makes some sense, just two criticisms:

1. Prefer ND to remain independent. Absent some compelling considerations, that's what's best for ND, and by extension imho, best for college football.

2. WAC/MWC merger would be close to the way the WAC was in the mid-to-late 1990's. Most of the teams from the former SWC (exception: Houston) which were left out of the Big 12 wound up in the WAC, along with Tulsa, UNLV, and I believe San Jose State. It didn't work out, which is why the MWC exists today. Why would you think the result would be different if you tried it again?

As for those who suggest that a 16-team playoff would make qualifying for the playoff too easy, among what I consider the six major spectator sports in the U.S. (NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, D-1A college football and D-1 college basketball), the college football playoff would still have, far and away, the smallest percentage of teams qualifying for its playoff:

NBA: 16/30 teams = 53.3%
NHL: 16/30 teams = 53.3%
NFL: 12/32 teams = 37.5%
MLB: 8/30 teams = 26.7%
D-1 NCAA basketball: 65/332 teams = 19.6%
D-1A NCAA football: 16/119 teams = 13.4%

If Notre Dame is in a conference for hoops, they should eventually play in a conference in football. They need to join the establishment.

It's a rough idea, I'd scramble up the teams in the new WAC, Conference USA and Big East but that's pretty much been my idea for a couple years. D-IA needs an even number of teams for this to work also...they have 119 as you pointed out. This was just some crazy idea by a frustrated fan.

Shoalzie wrote:If Notre Dame is in a conference for hoops, they should eventually play in a conference in football. They need to join the establishment.

Disagree. As I said after I edited the post you quoted, college football is a different animal. So too is college hockey, and ND has played in a conference in college hockey for years.

It's a rough idea, I'd scramble up the teams in the new WAC, Conference USA and Big East but that's pretty much been my idea for a couple years. D-IA needs an even number of teams for this to work also...they have 119 as you pointed out. This was just some crazy idea by a frustrated fan.

If you did use your proposal, I'd add one more team to D-1A, then have 10 conferences of 12 teams each. 12 seems to be critical mass for any conference; any more members than that and the conference in question will implode, due to lack of a connection between certain schools. Again, see the WAC circa late 1990's for an example.

When there were rumors two years ago that ND might join a conference, one group of ND fans actually proposed that the ACC expand to 16 teams, adding ND, Pitt, Syracuse and UConn, then split the conference into a North/South alignment, with those four teams joining BC, Maryland, Virginia and Virginia Tech in the North Division. Of course, had that happened, it would have been only a matter of time before the ACC split along divisional lines.

It's very relevant as it pertains to my point. My point was how student athletes at some of the smaller schools can have equal time constraints, but more so on an academic level. I believe, on the whole, div1aa - div111 kids have more pressures academically than kids that play at schools within the major conferences. Why is it fair for you to argue about time constraints, but when I do, it's irrelevant?

The NFL has nothing to do with the time constraints of DI football players. As well, if you want to suggest that the pressure of trying to make the NFL cut is something equal to the pressure of an increased acadmic regimen I would disagree based on the simple fact that the NFL pressure affects a tiny tiny minority of college football players whereas academic pressures affects nearly all.

#1 Polling systems are used at every divisional level already. The Gridiron Power Index for div1aa is the top indicator for at large playoff selections. So are all of these playoff systems that no one complains about frauds? If so, please point out specific examples...dates, schools, etc.

a) Again, you're left with nothing more than spinning my point. Why?
b) I don't have a problem with polls. It's you guys who demand a "true" national champion because the current polling system cannot resolve that issue. So, it's not me arguing that the polls are bad. I am merely extending the arguments of those advocating a playoff system because the current polling system does not achieve their goal of a true NC.

I just don't get how someone who argues that using the polls to determine a NC is flawed yet rely on that polling to select the teams that would participate in a playoff system. You're still relying on the same flawed polls.

#2 D1 ball may not be any sort of "official" farm league, but for all intents and purposes, it absolutely is. What avenue, other than D1 football, do kids out of high school have to get to the NFL? NFL scouts aren't exactly scouring CFL and Arena league games for talent. Save your Kurt Warner emails, clones.

It's wrong...plain and simple. And we shouldn't be further bastardizing college football by turning it into a farm league. That's not what college fottball is or should be about, period.

DrDetroit wrote:I just don't get how someone who argues that using the polls to determine a NC is flawed yet rely on that polling to select the teams that would participate in a playoff system. You're still relying on the same flawed polls.

Not under Shoalzie's proposal, a version of which has been proposed by many others, both in here and by sports writers. It parallels how participants are chosen in the NCAA tournament, with both automatic bids (by winning your conference), and a committee choosing other at-large teams. The polls could play a role in a such a committee chosing at-large participants for a D-1 playoff. But it wouldn't be the only factor with a committee, as it isn't the only factor with the NCAA tournament selection committee.

It's wrong...plain and simple. And we shouldn't be further bastardizing college football by turning it into a farm league. That's not what college fottball is or should be about, period.

In an ideal world, maybe. But it's a little late for that. Today, that sentiment is a panacea, especially in the context of players on teams in the mix for a MNC.

Fair points, RF.

DrD, I thought I made this clear, but my problem isn't really with the polls, though I think the BCS needs to be tweeked. My problem is with the fact that only 2 teams are eligible to compete for the NC. I think a minimum of two more need to compete, on the field, not in a computer formula, for a shot.

I'm content with the top 4 teams competing for a title, regardless of how the polls place them.

The NFL has nothing to do with the time constraints of DI football players. As well, if you want to suggest that the pressure of trying to make the NFL cut is something equal to the pressure of an increased acadmic regimen I would disagree based on the simple fact that the NFL pressure affects a tiny tiny minority of college football players whereas academic pressures affects nearly all.

I never suggested there was equal pressure between D1 players vying for the NFL and certain students focusing more on academics. I merely mentioned how students from the smaller divisions can also have time constraints, but in other ways. It's ok for you to assume D1 players have less time than smaller divisional players, but it's naive to say it is fact. You just can't know that. I'm not going to argue that certain people have less or more time constaints than others. I'm going to assume they're about equal, because that's the only fair thing to do, unless I have personal experience on both levels. Any way you want to spin it, d1 and diaa players are practicing and going to school about the same amount of time. The rest is semantics.

I merely mentioned how students from the smaller divisions can also have time constraints, but in other ways. It's ok for you to assume D1 players have less time than smaller divisional players, but it's naive to say it is fact. You just can't know that.

Uh, yes, I can. I attended both a DII university and a DIII college. As well, I have known several University of Michigan football players, namely the Jansen brothers from Clawson, MI as well as Jeff Backus. Hence, I have a good idea of the time constraints confronted by football players at all three levels and can state for a fact that DI players have significantly less time for academics than DII and DIII players.

Van wrote:

SoCalTrjn wrote: The problem with the current system and "every game mattering" is you wind up with cowards who like Georgia who are affraid to play a real OOC schedule that inclides these crazy little lthings like travel and hotel rooms, its been 40 years since the Bulldogs last left the south to play a game.

Is that literally true?

Serious question. I really don't know.

I know Georgia never plays anybody OOC but that's utterly ridiculous if that's literally true.

Yes, it is correct, the last time Georgia left the south was in 1965 when they played at Michigan

So you're saying with those extra time constraints, playing 1 to 2 more games would be impractical? If so, why not just eliminate 1 out of conference cupcake?

You attended a DII and DIII college, and you "knew" a couple UofM football players. That means you have a clear understanding between the lifestyles of D1 football players and D1AA - DIII FOOTBALL PLAYERS? Nice try. The only way for you to have a clear understanding on this would be if you played FOOTBALL at each level. Not track, not swimming. Football at each level. Otherwise, stop trying to pass unconnected experiences off as facts.

I dont see the regular season being less exciting when there is a playoff if the NCAA trims the fat off of D1 giving it 70-80 teams. Then having NCAA generated schedules that would provide matchups like Texas at Florida State or Georgia at UCLA in the regular season. Its the Middle Tennessee State at Louisiana Monroe games that are boring

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:So you're saying with those extra time constraints, playing 1 to 2 more games would be impractical? If so, why not just eliminate 1 out of conference cupcake?

Of course, you're still ignoring the fact that my argument re: this was directed at Shoalzie's 16-team playoff scheme.

You attended a DII and DIII college, and you "knew" a couple UofM football players. That means you have a clear understanding between the lifestyles of D1 football players and D1AA - DIII FOOTBALL PLAYERS? Nice try.

No, I did not say that, MGo. I said that I have known DI players at a major university as well as attended a DII university and DIII college where I knew football players. I have talked to them. I have hung out with them. Hence, I am describing what I knew about their time constraints. I know that DI players spent significantly more time practicing, training, and meeting than DII and DIII players.

Again, why did you misrepresent what I posted? You know that I didn't state that I had a clear understanding of their lifestyles. I was speaking about their lifestyles. I was speaking to the time committment of DI ball players vs. DII and DIII players.

Feel free to bring any knoweledge you have regarding this to bear. However, do not spin like that what I posted.

The only way for you to have a clear understanding on this would be if you played FOOTBALL at each level. Not track, not swimming. Football at each level. Otherwise, stop trying to pass unconnected experiences off as facts.

Dumbshit, when you spend a substantial amount of time with people doing something or another you tend to get a fair idea of what it is they do, when they do it, how they do it.

What "unconnected experience" are you talking about? I'm passing an impression of DI, DII, and DIII ball players schedules to you based on my friendships with such ball players and also participating in athletics myself (wherein I can easily say that the football players, as did basketball players) spent substantially more time practicing, meeting, training than other sports.

Again, if you have any personal knowledge, bring it. Just because my personal knowledge disrupts your presumptions does not invalidate the knowledge I possess.

SoCalTrjn wrote:I dont see the regular season being less exciting when there is a playoff if the NCAA trims the fat off of D1 giving it 70-80 teams. Then having NCAA generated schedules that would provide matchups like Texas at Florida State or Georgia at UCLA in the regular season. Its the Middle Tennessee State at Louisiana Monroe games that are boring

I would tend to agree re: trimming DI.

Detard "knew" one or two Michigan football players.

Detard took some classes at DII and DIII schools.

Therefore, Detard knows for a fact that DI football players have more time constraints than student athletes at all other divisional schools.

That is the worst logic of all time. Please stop wasting my time, your time, and everyone else's time with this bullshit.

So now you have to act like an ass because your presumptions are wrong...nice touch, douche.

Detard "knew" one or two Michigan football players.

Yeah, knew them while they were middle and high school meaning that I had dinner at their home, went on vacation with them, etc. And I knew them when they were going to Michigan and playing ball there, meaning that I visited them at school, talked to them over the phone, they visited me at school.

Detard took some classes at DII and DIII schools.

Not "took some classes," ass. Completed my undergrad degree at a DIII college and then completed my graduate degree at a DII university. Hence, while at my DIII school I roomed with a football player, my RA was a football player. Five of my best friends played ball (three were receivers, one quarterback, and a lineman). The last two years there I was an RA with 12 football players living in my hall. At my DII university, I was friends with three defensive lineman meaning that I ate with them, studied with them, etc.

Therefore, Detard knows for a fact that DI football players have more time constraints than student athletes at all other divisional schools.

Moreso than you ever would...

That is the worst logic of all time. Please stop wasting my time, your time, and everyone else's time with this bullshit.

I'm sorry, but personal friendships with ball players at all three levels that included discussions of their participation is bullshit?

Only to a fucking pathetic pinhead whose pissed off that his presumptions are not true.

This was a reasonable discussion right up until you started spinning my posts and then questioning the validity of my views re: DI/II/III football players without anything of your own to dispute them.

Eat a dick, faggot.

Well your "experience" with D1 players is limited to 3 people, all of which attended a Teir 1 university where graduating players is something they try to pride themselves on.

However, if you look at graduation rates, it's a resonable assumption that most schools, especially in the south, really don't cause many of their players a headache when it comes to academics. They keep them eligible and that's it.

Also, lay off the homo smack.

So is he stalking football players, or is he the only one who lacked the athletic ability in his circles?

Killian wrote:Well your "experience" with D1 players is limited to 3 people, all of which attended a Teir 1 university where graduating players is something they try to pride themselves on.

However, if you look at graduation rates, it's a resonable assumption that most schools, especially in the south, really don't cause many of their players a headache when it comes to academics. They keep them eligible and that's it.

Also, lay off the homo smack.

Killian, my argument never has been that most DI schools cause a headache for players when it comes to academics.

I have confined my comments wholly to the time requirements for practice, training, meetings, games, and travel.

The same level of time requirements for those things, in my experience (which I have disclosed only represent what I know and hence have informed my opinion on this), is greater by far for DI than DII and DIII.

So, are you also blatantly spinning my comments or do you just not know what I was saying, but decided to try and offer a response to something anyway?

Granted, that my impression and opinion of this is based on knowing only who I know. But unless someone, namely MGO, can bring an alternative impression based on first hand experience...then he should shut the fuck up and not continue to embarrass himself by putting forth mere presumptions as facts or as something more valid than actual experience.

I don't expect you nor PSU to actually step up and point that up so I won't waste my breath any further.

WolverineSteve:

So is he stalking football players, or is he the only one who lacked the athletic ability in his circles?

How pathetic.

Yeah, I was stalking the Michigan players I knew because our families were friends, right? Dumbshit says what?

I was stalking my other friends who played ball because we lived on the same hall, took the same classes, played IM basketball together? Dumbshit says what?

You mean to tell me, WS that you took what I posted to reflect stalking and thought that be the slightest funny? is that "game" in this forum? I thought knowing wtf you are talking about was "game." Apparently not.

Props, I guess.