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Posted: **Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:35 pm**

WolverineSteve wrote:I think he's probably trying to save face.

Maybe so. Technically, he's right, in a sense -- you don't need DNA evidence to prosecute a rape case from a legal perspective. But once a jury finds out about the DNA test, his case goes bye-bye for all intents and purposes. I don't think he'd want to subject himself to that.

Not to mention that if he brings this case to trial, he cannot then credibly go back and charge the woman with falsely reporting an incident. Of course, we're still a long way away from this.

Posted: **Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:13 am**

Risa wrote:
WolverineSteve wrote:She should face charges!!
Yes, she should, for false accusation.

But not for ruining anyone's season.
Or anyone being fired. You have to question
why the coach was let go before the test
results came in.

That's not on this student-exotic dancer.

That's on Duke.

Duke did what they did because they figured that every mvscal in Durham was fixxing to burn the whole fukking campus to the ground. Let's hope to hell that the coach is rehired.

So, what really happened?

Posted: **Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:07 pm**

Terry in Crapchester wrote: Not to mention that if he brings this case to trial, he cannot then credibly go back and charge the woman with falsely reporting an incident. Of course, we're still a long way away from this.

why not?

she would not be the one on trial in the first trial.
they would be.

then they can counter sue for the false report charge, right?
or can no man counter sue for the false report charge, no matter
what? and particularly if it goes to trial?

i think there should be a trial. i don't want to see anyone
playing the 'out of the goodness of our heart we'll drop everything'
card. either the rape case continues, and/or she's countercharged
with filing a false report.

whatever happened that night, let it all come out.

Posted: **Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:12 pm**

Risa wrote:
Terry in Crapchester wrote: Not to mention that if he brings this case to trial, he cannot then credibly go back and charge the woman with falsely reporting an incident. Of course, we're still a long way away from this.
why not?

she would not be the one on trial in the first trial.
they would be.

then they can counter sue for the false report charge, right?
or can no man counter sue for the false report charge, no matter
what? and particularly if it goes to trial?

i think there should be a trial. i don't want to see anyone
playing the 'out of the goodness of our heart we'll drop everything'
card. either the rape case continues, and/or she's countercharged
with filing a false report.

whatever happened that night, let it all come out.

And charge them with what?

Unless there is evidence that proves a person committed a crime w/o doubt, nobody should be forced to go through the costly & trying experience of a court trial. Otherwise we're just lowering ourselves to vigilantism. I don't think you're in favor of that style of justice, are you?

Posted: **Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:11 pm**

I have to say, I haven't been following this issue until last night.

They showed the DA at the community college the accuser attends. The guy was there to comfort them, to say that he's going forward with the case. In the many snippets they showed of questioners, most of them seemed to be spilling their bile on him. Him. WTF? He had to leave under police escort.

He went there to help them, and to raise their spirits...and they treated him like he was the rapist. Fuck that.

Posted: **Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:18 pm**

Sudden Sam wrote:Do we have any standards at all any more?

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You're kidding,RIGHT?

The cretins on this board? Standards?

BWHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted: **Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:43 pm**

In light of there being no DNA evidence, has anybody else had the thought that this "dancer" may have been assaulted/plungered with a Lacrosse Stick?

Posted: **Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:54 pm**

Sudden Sam wrote:She was arrested five years ago on charges of larceny, drunken driving, resisting arrest and assaulting an officer.

What was the outcome? A conviction for larceny can be brought in to impeach, an arrest can not. Likewise felony resisting or assault, if 5 years old, can also be brought in to impeach if there is a conviction or guilt plea. Doesn’t mean she is lying know. It’s an indication that she is capable of lying but no jury would be instructed to disregard the present accusation because of the 5 year old incident only that they could.

You sound like you have. You sound bitter towards her. Just because she's a stripper who’s been arrested? That is soooo wrong.

Posted: **Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:57 pm**

atomicdad wrote:In light of there being no DNA evidence, has anybody else had the thought that this "dancer" may have been assaulted/plungered with a Lacrosse Stick?

I don't know that the DA said there was no DNA evidence. I think he said there was not a match which would mean there is some DNA to match to.

And as far as the stick, happens all the time.

Posted: **Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:08 pm**

PSUFAN wrote:I have to say, I haven't been following this issue until last night.

They showed the DA at the community college the accuser attends. The guy was there to comfort them, to say that he's going forward with the case. In the many snippets they showed of questioners, most of them seemed to be spilling their bile on him. Him. WTF? He had to leave under police escort.

He went there to help them, and to raise their spirits...and they treated him like he was the rapist. Fuck that.

Go figure. There will be a riot on Duke's campus this year and not ONE sports team will have won a national title.

Posted: **Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:15 pm**

jiminphilly wrote:
PSUFAN wrote:I have to say, I haven't been following this issue until last night.

They showed the DA at the community college the accuser attends. The guy was there to comfort them, to say that he's going forward with the case. In the many snippets they showed of questioners, most of them seemed to be spilling their bile on him. Him. WTF? He had to leave under police escort.

He went there to help them, and to raise their spirits...and they treated him like he was the rapist. Fuck that.
Go figure. There will be a riot on Duke's campus this year and not ONE sports team will have won a national title.

Not so fast. Ultimate Frisbee hasn't yet been decided.

Posted: **Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:17 pm**

Goober McTuber wrote:
jiminphilly wrote:
PSUFAN wrote:I have to say, I haven't been following this issue until last night.

They showed the DA at the community college the accuser attends. The guy was there to comfort them, to say that he's going forward with the case. In the many snippets they showed of questioners, most of them seemed to be spilling their bile on him. Him. WTF? He had to leave under police escort.

He went there to help them, and to raise their spirits...and they treated him like he was the rapist. Fuck that.
Go figure. There will be a riot on Duke's campus this year and not ONE sports team will have won a national title.
Not so fast. Ultimate Frisbee hasn't yet been decided.

Intramural sports DO NOT count. (though I hear those guys like to party. I wonder if they'll hire a black stripper).

Posted: **Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:17 pm**

jiminphilly wrote:
PSUFAN wrote:I have to say, I haven't been following this issue until last night.

They showed the DA at the community college the accuser attends. The guy was there to comfort them, to say that he's going forward with the case. In the many snippets they showed of questioners, most of them seemed to be spilling their bile on him. Him. WTF? He had to leave under police escort.

He went there to help them, and to raise their spirits...and they treated him like he was the rapist. Fuck that.
Go figure. There will be a riot on Duke's campus this year and not ONE sports team will have won a national title.

Actually, the DA went to UNC Central, not Duke. So there wouldn't be a riot on the Duke campus unless rioters at UNC Central decided to take it over to Duke.

Posted: **Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:18 pm**

jiminphilly wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:
jiminphilly wrote: Go figure. There will be a riot on Duke's campus this year and not ONE sports team will have won a national title.
Not so fast. Ultimate Frisbee hasn't yet been decided.
Intramural sports DO NOT count.

You might not want to go there with Goober. Just sayin'.

Posted: **Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:11 pm**

Terry in Crapchester wrote:
jiminphilly wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote: Not so fast. Ultimate Frisbee hasn't yet been decided.
Intramural sports DO NOT count.
You might not want to go there with Goober. Just sayin'.

Or, you just might want to rent a sense of humor.

Posted: **Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:36 pm**

Two things.

1. The DA went to UNC-Chapel Hill for both undergrad and law school. There is no such school as UNC-Central. The alleged victim was a student at NC Central University.

2. Duke has a good shot at the national championship in women's golf. Don't give up on the riot just yet.

Posted: **Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:40 pm**

helmet wrote:Two things.

1. The DA went to UNC-Chapel Hill for both undergrad and law school. There is no such school as UNC-Central. The alleged victim was a student at NC Central University.

I was referring to the DA going to NC Central University to speak to the students, not where he went to college and law school. Thanks for the correction on the school's name, btw.

2. Duke has a good shot at the national championship in women's golf. Don't give up on the riot just yet.

To both sentences.

Posted: **Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:56 pm**

Risa wrote:
Terry in Crapchester wrote: Not to mention that if he brings this case to trial, he cannot then credibly go back and charge the woman with falsely reporting an incident. Of course, we're still a long way away from this.
why not?

she would not be the one on trial in the first trial.
they would be.

then they can counter sue for the false report charge, right?
or can no man counter sue for the false report charge, no matter
what? and particularly if it goes to trial?

i think there should be a trial. i don't want to see anyone
playing the 'out of the goodness of our heart we'll drop everything'
card. either the rape case continues, and/or she's countercharged
with filing a false report.

whatever happened that night, let it all come out.

There could be a trial, but if so, there will only be one. There will either be a rape trial or a trial for falsely reporting an incident. Not both.

Granted, the DA would get separate juries for both, but the DA's office would get absolutely skewered by the local media if they tried both sides.

As an example of what I'm talking about, consider my recent trial. My client was acquitted because the complainant was lying, and because the evidence proved that she was lying. Did the DA's office turn around and charge the complainant? No way. Admittedly, it was not nearly a high-visibility case as this one is, but the high-visibility aspect is, at least in one sense, even a greater deterrent to what you suggest.

Posted: **Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:30 pm**

Think the Carolina DA wouldn't love taking down Duke like that. I know, I know.....he's more professional than that. But he's just trying to save face right now. And he's up for election so has to make it look like he's doing something. The one thing I don't buy is the NCCU student saying if the roles had been reversed, there'd be a brother or two lynched by now. WRONG! Let's say a white skank whore/stripper accused some brothers of raping her. She'd have very little support from the white community.

For the record, I grew up in Durham. Didn't go to Duke but know the supposed "friction" between the school and the community has been overblown by the media, if you can imagine such a thing happening. I haven't lived there for a long time but the University is a HUGE employer and a big player in the city. As for the black community, it is one that is well educated, with many working either at Duke or in the Research Triangle Park and I'm sure there is an element that will get riled up by the current embroglio. But when I was there, I never perceived any real animosity between the the university and the city. Remember, hot racial tensions always translate into big ratings.

Posted: **Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:41 pm**

Sudden Sam wrote:...clearly shows she's a POS.

So are you but that doesn't mean you can't be a victim.

Posted: **Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:46 pm**

Mustang wrote:For the record, I grew up in Durham. Didn't go to Duke but know the supposed "friction" between the school and the community has been overblown by the media, if you can imagine such a thing happening. I haven't lived there for a long time but the University is a HUGE employer and a big player in the city.

I pointed out, I think in another thread, the similarities I see between Duke and Notre Dame.

I didn't go to Duke, nor have I lived in Durham, so I can't say for certain what it's like there. I did go to Notre Dame, and saw considerable friction there between students and townies. I surmised, from that experience, that a similar situation might exist at Duke, and helmet agreed with me that it did.

I have no doubt that what you say in your last sentence is true. But you could say the same thing for Notre Dame viz. South Bend, Indiana. Doesn't mean that there still isn't considerable friction between the students and townies at Notre Dame, though.

Posted: **Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:29 pm**

Things are not going well for the stripper/skank.

Police: Duke accuser 'passed-out drunk'
Associated Press

DURHAM, N.C. -- A woman who claims she was sexually assaulted by members of Duke University's lacrosse team was described as "just passed-out drunk" by one of the first police officers to see her, according to a recording of radio traffic released by Durham police on Thursday.

The conversation between the officer and a police dispatcher took place about 1:30 a.m. March 14, about five minutes after a grocery store security guard called 911 to report a woman in the parking lot who would not get out of someone else's car.

The officer gave the dispatcher the police code for an intoxicated person. When asked whether the woman needed medical help, the officer said: "She's breathing and appears to be fine. She's not in distress. She's just passed-out drunk."

The black woman, a 27-year-old dancer and college student, told police she was sexually assaulted and beaten by three white men around midnight at an off-campus party thrown by Duke's lacrosse team. The racially charged allegations have led Duke to cancel the highly ranked team's season and accept the resignation of its coach.

No charges have been filed, but district attorney Mike Nifong has said he believes a crime was committed. Attorneys for the players have said DNA tests failed to connect any players to the alleged attack, and they have urged Nifong to drop his investigation.

Several of the defense attorneys say they expect the district attorney to ask a grand jury on Monday to issue charges in connection with allegations.

"Rest up on Sunday," attorney Kerry Sutton, who represents one of the team's captains, said Thursday.

There has been no official word, however, on whether Nifong intends to present the allegations Monday. His next opportunity would come two weeks later.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2407782

If the DA gets a conviction in this case, he should immediately run for DA in LA County. At least the Shapiros and Baileys would finaly have some real competition.

Posted: **Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:38 pm**

I don't think ND is nearly as big as Duke is. Duke's medical center makes up an enormous part of the campus and is a centerpiece of the city. Sure, I'm sure some look at the (under)grad students as in their own little world....and vice versa (actually, many go over to Chapel Hole to party). But I never lived in the little campus bubble at Duke. I lived amongst the locals and just never perceived the overflowing animosity so portrayed by the media. Not saying that element didn't exist but it certainly wasn't overtly evident.

Posted: **Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:48 pm**

Moving Sale wrote:
Sudden Sam wrote:...clearly shows she's a POS.
...but that doesn't mean you can't be a victim.

and that's a bottom line, just as you say.

even pieces of shit can be victims.

she was victimized by what they did to her.

but it wasn't, apparently, the rape she claimed of
them. maybe. i don't know what's going on.

she's a bitch for lying about rape. that's
never cool. never ever.

but they're assholes, too. they don't deserve anything.
they sure as hell don't deserve sympathy.

they did abuse her.

but that abuse was not the same as rape. apparently.
we'll see.

god damn. this is depressing. i hate when bitches lie.

Posted: **Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:55 pm**

Mustang wrote:I don't think ND is nearly as big as Duke is. Duke's medical center makes up an enormous part of the campus and is a centerpiece of the city.

In terms of enrollment, I think ND is probably larger than Duke, although there's no medical school at ND. But the larger enrollment probably translates into more service sector jobs at ND.

Of course, ND is a little isolated from South Bend, not just culturally but geographically as well. Students and townies rarely, if ever, socialize with one another.

Posted: **Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:41 am**

88 wrote:
Risa wrote:god damn. this is depressing. i hate when bitches lie.
You would prefer for her to have been raped?

if you're gonna do some shit like this, it better be the truth.
there is no 'at least' in this story.

everybody fucked up.

but for a woman, and a black woman, and a single mother in a career which already gives her that fourth strike ....

there's just no reason to lie about something like this.

you go with the truth. you don't lie. rape charges are serious business. always have been. too many people have died because of fake bitches telling false stories. too many people -- better people than this lacrosse team -- have had their reputations smashed and slashed never to be put right again, over false rape charges.

and all the while the real victims, the true victims have it that much harder when one of these stupid bitches makes up a Runaway Bride story with penetration attached.

that's what's depressing. she just made it THAT much harder for real people to come forward and be believed.

she should have stuck with issuing a complaint against the school for the rest of how they treated her, because that was rough and that was wrong. they should pay for that. but she didn't have to add rape on top if rape didn't happen.

it's just wrong.

Posted: **Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:59 am**

Risa wrote: i don't know what's going on.

Yet you have an opinion.

Color me shocked.

Posted: **Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:03 am**

88 wrote:I agree that she shouldn't have lied, if in fact she did, which we don't know for sure at the present time. But if she wasn't raped, you should feel good.

it doesn't end there, and it never ends there.
rape is already underreported -- by real victims.

all these bitches who use the 'RAPE!' card to get
back at men ruin it for real victims. every time a
woman falsely claims rape, she makes it 10 times
harder for real victims to come out, and to be
believed.

then there's the racial element. she just screwed
over all black women... when all she had to do
was tell the truth, which was that they fucked her over
and verbally assaulted her... and who knows what
happened in that bathroom where her nails came off.

but she wasn't raped. those lacrosse players did
a horrible thing... but because it wasn't THE horrible
thing, they get to get off the hook and cash in the
sympathy card, when they were in the wrong, too.

Trust the system to work it out.

you've lost your mind.

Posted: **Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:16 am**

88 wrote: Either she was raped or she wasn't. Trust the system to work it out.

Newsflash:
Blind squirrel finds nut!

Posted: **Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:15 pm**

Risa wrote:but she wasn't raped. those lacrosse players did
a horrible thing... but because it wasn't THE horrible
thing, they get to get off the hook and cash in the
sympathy card, when they were in the wrong, too.

Trust the system to work it out.
you've lost your mind.

So she gets called a few names after she shows up drunk to strip at a party. She then cries rape andthe lacrosse players are the bad guys? I don't think so. First of all, dancing/stripping is a profession in which you expect to be put on display and thus, subjected to the criticisms from your audience. When you show up drunk and all battered and bruised, what do you expect a bunch of drunk college kids to do? She put herself in a bad situation but lets not pretend she was the only or leading victim. This team has now lost their season because this liar couldn't get her act together. Not that it sounds like she has ever had her shit together (taxi cab, exotic dancer, etc...).

The biggest victim here is the lacrosse team for they lost out on their season. Like some of you have said, she should have filed a complaint regarding the way she was treated but because she crossed the line, she loses all credibility in my mind. Likewise, screw Durham for jumping on the bandwagon and protesting the lacrosse team w/o reasonable evidence. Yes they were in the wrong but they didn't do anything near as bad as what this woman did.

And, it looks like the system will work it out.

Posted: **Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:52 pm**

Sudden Sam wrote:
Risa wrote:but she wasn't raped. those lacrosse players did
a horrible thing... but because it wasn't THE horrible
thing, they get to get off the hook and cash in the
sympathy card, when they were in the wrong, too.

What "horrible thing" did the lacrosse team do to her?

I'm not saying they didn't do anything ('cause I don't know), but to what are you referring?

Supposedly, they dropped some N-bombs on her.

Granted, that's what she says and her credibility isn't exactly what you would call top notch.

Posted: **Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:19 pm**

Wait a second....
Don't any of you remember? Didn't the OJ trial teach you anything? That showed us that dropping an N-bomb is far, far worse than butchering two people.

Posted: **Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:56 pm**

Sudden Sam wrote: You don't claim someone's assaulted/raped/robbed/murdered you just because they called you a name...NO MATTER WHAT THE NAME MAY BE!

Geez...

You might want to brush up one your 1st Am cases before you go spouting crap like that and making yourself look like a fool.

Posted: **Tue Apr 18, 2006 1:28 am**

Two of the players were indicited today.

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