Good news for Tom in VA!!!

[Tom In VA]

.... but I do disagree with the method.

Should you be allowed to without having served ? That's the whole issue here. Support or dissent, is something that should be earned. According to Sam and BSmack. I'm about 90% ready to rack them both for being right.

[Tom In VA]

Shit, i better go out and buy some ribbons for the back of my car.

And/or you could fuck off, troll.

Aren't cheerleaders at risk of being thrown off the pom squad for foul language?

Better watch your mouth from now on, "soldier".

Well we wouldn't want that now, would we, so how about you ingest fecal matter and expire such that I might be able to relieve my bladder on thy grave.

[Mike the Lab Rat]

.... but I do disagree with the method.

Should you be allowed to without having served ? That's the whole issue here. Support or dissent, is something that should be earned. According to Sam and BSmack. I'm about 90% ready to rack them both for being right.

Whether or not someone has served should have 0% to do with their God-given and Constitutionally cited right to freedom of speech, whether that speech is in support or dissent. Whether or not you served, you still get ONE frigging vote.

[Mister Bushice]

.... but I do disagree with the method.

Should you be allowed to without having served ? That's the whole issue here. Support or dissent, is something that should be earned. According to Sam and BSmack. I'm about 90% ready to rack them both for being right.

Yes I should be. The bill of rights out front should have told you. I was born with the right to express my opinion. Elected leaders have not always acted in the best interest of this country and/or its citizens. If that were so, the constitution and bill of rights would not be necessary.

I grew up in between wars, and I am now no longer eligible to serve. However if we were attacked HERE then Yes, I would take up arms to defend.

I disagree that the current conflict in iraq is protecting us here. The insurgents over there now are mostly regional locals who would never have been able to make a trip to the US to attack us, or else they are religious factional fighters in a 1,400 year old sectarian conflict we will never stop.

[indyfrisco]

The insurgents over there now are mostly regional locals who would never have been able to make a trip to the US to attack us, or else they are religious factional fighters in a 1,400 year old sectarian conflict we will never stop.

Doesn't take a whole lot of money for 19 tickets to get on a bird that will send me to hell and kill a few thousand people in your back yard, cunt.

Sin,

[Fat Bones]

I like it.

[Tom In VA]

BTW.

Personally, I do wish I wasn't such a loser and was able to "put my money where my mouth is" and place myself in the company of these brave men and women. Reality is a bitch and it is what it is.

I happened to catch "Band of Brothers" on HBO around Memorial Day and during the interview portion, Malarkey (I think) said several men from his hometown committed suicide when they were found to be 4F. Don't get your hopes up clones, I ain't planning that. But I understand it.

I sure as hell understand it.

So, yeah, I'm a loser not good enough for the military. I can't don a uniform and fight. But I also can't tell this man ....

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/06/28/soldie ... index.html

His son died for reasons other than ... "I'm devastated, sad and proud," Plouhar said. "This just makes me devoted even more to his belief that people need help in Iraq, and he felt that he was helping."

Nope, not me. If being here for morale and material support is all I can do, it's all I can do. If anyone has a problem with that, I'm willing to address it.

[Eaglebauer]

Were a truly unjust war to be waged, I agree. This war, is not "unjust".

Well, in the context of your argument, this is called begging the question.

Otherwise, your judgment that this war is just is meaningless taken with your earlier statements that the President *must* be supported once he has committed his country to war.

[Tom In VA]

First, I have never and would never condemn our soldiers. They have a job to do and they're doing the best they can under shitty circumstances. I have nothing but respect for anyone who is in their position.

Then you go tell them their loved ones were wasted for a lie. Face to face.

I think anyone who has lost loved ones in Iraq is already painfully aware of that fact.

You would be mistaken, in several instances, at least.

[Tom In VA]

I think anyone who has lost loved ones in Iraq is already painfully aware of that fact.

You would be mistaken, in several instances, at least.

If I lost a son, I would prefer to remain deluded also.

And there it is.

[ElvisMonster]

I would totally enlist if I could still be a dj. I'd be all like "Goooooooood morning, Karradah Sharqiyah!" It would be pretty funny.

[Bizzarofelice]

What would you do differently?

About exactly what? Be definitive.

[Mister Bushice]

The insurgents over there now are mostly regional locals who would never have been able to make a trip to the US to attack us, or else they are religious factional fighters in a 1,400 year old sectarian conflict we will never stop.

Doesn't take a whole lot of money for 19 tickets to get on a bird that will send me to hell and kill a few thousand people in your back yard, cunt.

Sin,

Doesn't take a very long logic chain to figure out that THAT ^ could happen from anywhere in the world, and the time it DID happen, it didn't originate in iraq, nor was saddam involved in it.

Our problem with 9-11 was our lax security, not our lack of a war in iraq.

Those 12 people arrested in canada and the 7 arrested here in the US recently for plotitng to blow up builidngs and people are certainly a testament to the fact that iraq or no iraq, they will keep trying, and our best defense is to keep doing what we are doing here at home. Ever vigilant.

[Bizzarofelice]

The 7 arrested in Miami were plotting to get high and bump 50 Cent from their '88 Caprice Classic. Next time those people get off their ass and accomplish something will be the first.

[Smackie Chan]

lax security

I hate dealing with the TSA iodots there. Dulles, too.

[Atomic Punk]

How many people do you know that do not have jobs but be heavily armed and carry out attacks at will? Clearly these animals are being well-funded. When we start taking out the states that sponsor these shitbags, then it will continue.

Syria and Iran are the next logical steps. We don't have the political will to wipe out the tribal pacts of dogs and their sponsors. Since we don't have the political will to win a war, then going to Iraq is a mistake.

We simply don't have the political will to learn from Sun Tzu. I know there are many here that love peace and are pacifists. That's fine. You that disagree with G.W's fuck ups are right to do so.

We aren't even fighting the foreign governments that are funding shitbag insurgents, gas prices are getting jacked up by our own oil barrons that shut down their own refining capacity on purpose to manipulate prices, and we are believing we are there to give the Iraqi people freedom.

We are there strategically to set up a base over a former weak Saddam government to eventually take out Syria and Iran and establish a permanent base to protect our oil interests.

I keep picturing that retired fat Exxon oil exec with that compensation plan. Why does he have a 3 year protection plan on his life? Go figure.

Nothing will ever change as money is the root of all evil. Too bad many die for the interests of:

[Bizzarofelice]

Look at the big rant on AP.

I'd go after Wahabi Arabia before Syria if we're talking about the roots of terrorism.

[Atomic Punk]

The problem with the Saudi's is those in power are in the minority. They are on our side when most of the tribal dissenters are against us. So how do you fight them?

[Tom In VA]

We are there strategically to set up a base over a former weak Saddam government to eventually take out Syria and Iran and establish a permanent base to protect our oil interests.

BINGO!

And RACK the Wahabi comments. Soon as the ruling family is overthrown/dies/runs like hell, we'll have to deal with SA.

It's what's been said since 2003, where you been ?

[Bizzarofelice]

We are there strategically to set up a base over a former weak Saddam government to eventually take out Syria and Iran and establish a permanent base to protect our oil interests.

BINGO!

And RACK the Wahabi comments. Soon as the ruling family is overthrown/dies/runs like hell, we'll have to deal with SA.

It's what's been said since 2003, where you been ?

Dealing with less pressing issues like non-Islamofreak Iraq.

[Fat Bones]

BINGO!

And RACK the Wahabi comments. Soon as the ruling family is overthrown/dies/runs like hell, we'll have to deal with SA.

It's what's been said since 2003, where you been ?

Dealing with less pressing issues like non-Islamofreak Iraq.

What would you do differently?

About exactly what? Be definitive.

Good. God.


You hold a discussion like a 13 year old girl.

[Dinsdale]

How many people do you know that do not have jobs?

We can think of one.

- T1B

[War Wagon]

I hope the troops don't think they're fighting for your rights. I'd imagine they'd feel cheated if they were shown the mouthbreathers they put their lives on the line for. Honor their sacrifice and stop making an ass of yourself.

Wait just a damn minute.

Yesterday, you said the troops were "bullet catchers"...just ignorant fools fighting and dying for their country by their own misguided choice. You stated that your children would need these bullet catchers, and summarily dismiss them like the illegal alien who mows the grass.

Today, we should "honor" those "bullet catchers"?

So which is it? Why should we honor "bullet catchers" whom up until now now you have so despised?

You must be a Democrat.

[Fat Bones]

Damnit War Wagon, don't tease the parrots.

[PSUFAN]

the roots of terrorism.

Ah, yes. Those.

Yep, the Saudis hate us, really. So do the Pakis, the Greeks, the Indonesians, the Syrians, blah bla blah.

The roots of terror reside in the ground of Class Warfare.

Islam wars against us with Religion as the rallying cry. Our soldiers are motivated by Patriotism. It's the same in the end...we have better access to resources. We take more of them because we can.

We live high on the hog, and we want to keep it that way. Terror will always be waged against those who have the economic upper hand. We cannot ever win the War on Terror...because it can't be won. We will wage war on Terror's side when we've slipped out of the good spot at the trough. We had our turn before, and we'll have it again.

Kill the Wahabbists in one fell swoop...let all of Al Qaeda fall in a single thunderclap...and we haven't won the war on Terror, we've simply shifted the boundaries.

What could possibly happen in Iraq? Do we imagine they'll become a peaceful, prosperous Western Nation? Do we think they'll bloom like Germany or Japan It just isn't going to happen. Islam doesn't fucking care about Democracy. We don't want to loose our grip on the upper hand, either. For the class system to flourish, there has to be folks on both sides of the volcano's edge.

[Fat Bones]

the roots of terrorism.

Ah, yes. Those.

Yep, the Saudis hate us, really. So do the Pakis, the Greeks, the Indonesians, the Syrians, blah bla blah.

The roots of terror reside in the ground of Class Warfare.

Islam wars against us with Religion as the rallying cry. Our soldiers are motivated by Patriotism. It's the same in the end...we have better access to resources. We take more of them because we can.

We live high on the hog, and we want to keep it that way. Terror will always be waged against those who have the economic upper hand. We cannot ever win the War on Terror...because it can't be won. We will wage war on Terror's side when we've slipped out of the good spot at the trough. We had our turn before, and we'll have it again.

Kill the Wahabbists in one fell swoop...let all of Al Qaeda fall in a single thunderclap...and we haven't won the war on Terror, we've simply shifted the boundaries.

What could possibly happen in Iraq? Do we imagine they'll become a peaceful, prosperous Western Nation? Do we think they'll bloom like Germany or Japan It just isn't going to happen. Islam doesn't fucking care about Democracy. We don't want to loose our grip on the upper hand, either. For the class system to flourish, there has to be folks on both sides of the volcano's edge.

Well.

That's it then.

I'll just put away these chairs and sweep up then...anyone want the last cookies? Bephallus, you've been quiet, how about a cookie?

[Diogenes]

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Yes! You can all go support your great prez now.

When and where did you serve Sam ? Seems to me that if one must have served or be serving in order to believe their president and support those in the service ... then those condemning and spreading disbelief in the president and implying that our service men and women are wastes and wasting their time ... should have served as well.

So which is it Sam ?

Never in the military. I fell between idiotic wars.

Then your opinion is irrelevant. As is that of any chickenshit loser throwing arounds the 'chickenhawk' label. And BTW...

If they get caught up in a war 70% of the country thinks little of, its their own damned fault for enlisting.

Just because 70% disagree with the administrations handling of the war doesn't mean that you appeasers are in the majority. A good portion of those polled undoubtedly wish we would use more force, not cut and run.



Idiot.

And I'll say it again.
If you've never worn the uniform, neither those of us who have done so in the past or those who are doing so now give a rat's ass what you think.

[War Wagon]

What could possibly happen in Iraq? Do we imagine they'll become a peaceful, prosperous Western Nation? Do we think they'll bloom like Germany or Japan It just isn't going to happen.

I'm quite sure that there were also people wringing their hands like this during the Berlin airlift and the occupation of Japan circa' 1945, 'cept they didn't have the convenience of the www. net to burst tears onto.

Grab a fucking tissue or 1,825, one per day for 5 years, which is usually how long it takes to work this shit out.

In the meantime, stay out the way.

[PSUFAN]

In the meantime, stay out the way.

GANGWAY!!!

To repeat - Iraq isn't Germany, and it isn't Japan. Iraq isn't even a "nation" - it's a group of tribes that detest each other, who will only be at peace if they are forced to by an inhuman dictator. Iraq is a country that just doesn't want to be. What's been happening with the elections? The tribes in Iraq have solved nothing...they've just had better access at killing each other in the name of Tribalism.

There is absolutely no parallel between Iraq and the vanquished Axis Powers, beyond the simple fact that both were occupied by the US.

[Diogenes]

Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall.

We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think...






And kindly fuck off, losers.

[Diogenes]

There is absolutely no parallel between Iraq and the vanquished Axis Powers, beyond the simple fact that both were occupied by the US.

Bullshit. The parallel is that when Europe could have contained Hitler after he violated the terms of the WWI treaty, they blinked.

Bush didn't. He handled him before he could become a threat to the region and the entire world.

Plus there was no direct link between Hitler and Pearl Harbor, since that stuff means so much to you appeasers...

[Tom In VA]

There is absolutely no parallel between Iraq and the vanquished Axis Powers, beyond the simple fact that both were occupied by the US.

Explain please.

[PSUFAN]

There is absolutely no parallel between Iraq and the vanquished Axis Powers, beyond the simple fact that both were occupied by the US.

Bullshit. The parallel is that when Europe could have contained Hitler after he violated the terms of the WWI treaty, they blinked.

Bush didn't. He handled him before he could become a threat to the region and the entire world.

Plus there was no direct link between Hitler and Pearl Harbor, since that stuff means so much to you appeasers...

Setting aside the worth of your post, did you not understand that I was talking about what occured after the wars in question? Wrap your head around that, then we can continue.

[Diogenes]

There is absolutely no parallel between Iraq and the vanquished Axis Powers, beyond the simple fact that both were occupied by the US.

Bullshit. The parallel is that when Europe could have contained Hitler after he violated the terms of the WWI treaty, they blinked.

Bush didn't. He handled him before he could become a threat to the region and the entire world.

Plus there was no direct link between Hitler and Pearl Harbor, since that stuff means so much to you appeasers...

Setting aside the worth of your post, did you not understand that I was talking about what occured after the wars in question? Wrap your head around that, then we can continue.

Of course I did. But the point I was making speaks more to the topic at hand.

[PSUFAN]

There is absolutely no parallel between Iraq and the vanquished Axis Powers, beyond the simple fact that both were occupied by the US.

Explain please.

If you say there is a parallel, then let's hear you make the case.

I can tell you that Germany and Japan were much different nations than the tribal viper den that is Iraq. Neither of the Axis nations offered a bit of resistance to their occupiers. They availed themselves readily to the reconstruction effort.

In Iraq, various factions are using the chaos to eliminate the others. When a group of politicians gather in the name of reconstructon, they are killed.

Islam abhors the Voice of the People. Unless we are converting them away from Islam, then we are no further to transitioning them to "Democracy".

[Diogenes]

Of course Truman didn't have to deal with a 'loyal opposition' lead by Charles Lindberg and Tokyo Rose...

[War Wagon]

Sweet ride, but I digress.

To repeat - Iraq isn't Germany, and it isn't Japan. Iraq isn't even a "nation" - it's a group of tribes that detest each other, who will only be at peace if they are forced to by an inhuman dictator. Iraq is a country that just doesn't want to be. What's been happening with the elections? The tribes in Iraq have solved nothing...they've just had better access at killing each other in the name of Tribalism.

There is absolutely no parallel between Iraq and the vanquished Axis Powers, beyond the simple fact that both were occupied by the US.

History will tell a different story long after you're done pulling hair and gnashing teeth.

The bolded part in the quote above shows what a shrieking lunatic you are. You should really just STFU about things you don't understand.

[Mikey]

Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall.

We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think...






And kindly fuck off, losers.

Diogenes....stuck in reality.

[PSUFAN]

The bolded part in the quote above shows what a shrieking lunatic you are.

Sure - I'm the only one who has noticed that the Sunnis and Shi'ites - and Kurds - detest each other.

[War Wagon]

Sure - I'm the only one who has noticed that the Sunnis and Shi'ites - and Kurds - detest each other.

So did/do Yankees and Rebels.

I detest Jayhawkers, Sooners, and Cornhuskers also, but I respect their right to vote.

So will the Sunnis, Shiites, and Kurds, once we've broken 'em in.