T1B

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2007 8:26 pm**

mvscal wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:To anyone with a functioning brain, we were clearly attacked because we occupied foreign lands for the benefit of special interests.
Actually anyone with a functioning brain can simply read any of the various manifestos released by bin Laden which clearly place our infidel nature at the top of the list.

I don’t normally question your knowledge of history, but it seems to me from what I’ve read that yes, bin Laden considers us infidels, but what really set him off was the fact that Saudi Arabia allowed US forces into their country during the first Gulf War. He couldn’t stand to see infidels in the holiest of Muslim countries.

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2007 8:30 pm**

Goober McTuber wrote:
mvscal wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:To anyone with a functioning brain, we were clearly attacked because we occupied foreign lands for the benefit of special interests.
Actually anyone with a functioning brain can simply read any of the various manifestos released by bin Laden which clearly place our infidel nature at the top of the list.
I don’t normally question your knowledge of history, but it seems to me from what I’ve read that yes, bin Laden considers us infidels, but what really set him off was the fact that Saudi Arabia allowed US forces into their country during the first Gulf War. He couldn’t stand to see infidels in the holiest of Muslim countries.

You are correct as well. Their general dislike for our culture and lack of morals however, is well documented. And their appeal to common everyday Haji, is that Haji wouldn't have to worry about their daughters putting on lipstick and wanting to suck Haji Jr's dicks and stuff if it wasn't for American T.V. and American culture being foisted upon them all the time.

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2007 8:38 pm**

mvscal wrote:Actually anyone with a functioning brain can simply read any of the various manifestos released by bin Laden which clearly place our infidel nature at the top of the list.

Holy crap, you're trolling.

While he tosses in some "infidel" rhetoric to work up the stupid masses, bin Laden has made it VERY clear that the reason for his "holy war" is because Westerners are occupying the Holy Land...

and you fucking know it.

Funny you mention that, since my good buddy who...oh, I dunno...used to teach counterterrorism courses in the military was talking about this very subject just the other day.

Starnge that ol' Osama didn't have a problem with the "infidels" when they were supporting him in his last war, eh?

But let's just examine your ~~trolling~~ statements, shall we?

Bin Laden, 2004 wrote:You, the American people, I talk to you today about the best way to avoid another catastrophe and about war, its reasons and its consequences.

And in that regard, I say to you that security is an important pillar of human life, and that free people do not compromise their security.

Contrary to what [President George W.] Bush says and claims -- that we hate freedom --let him tell us then, "Why did we not attack Sweden?" It is known that those who hate freedom don't have souls with integrity, like the souls of those 19. May the mercy of God be upon them.

We fought with you because we are free, and we don't put up with transgressions. We want to reclaim our nation. As you spoil our security, we will do so to you.

I wonder about you. Although we are ushering the fourth year after 9/11, Bush is still exercising confusion and misleading you and not telling you the true reason. Therefore, the motivations are still there for what happened to be repeated.

And I will talk to you about the reason for those events, and I will be honest with you about the moments the decision was made so that you can ponder. And I tell you, God only knows, that we never had the intentions to destroy the towers.

But after the injustice was so much and we saw transgressions and the coalition between Americans and the Israelis against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it occurred to my mind that we deal with the towers. And these special events that directly and personally affected me go back to 1982 and what happened when America gave permission for Israel to invade Lebanon. And assistance was given by the American sixth fleet.

During those crucial moments, my mind was thinking about many things that are hard to describe. But they produced a feeling to refuse and reject injustice, and I had determination to punish the transgressors.

And as I was looking at those towers that were destroyed in Lebanon, it occurred to me that we have to punish the transgressor with the same -- and that we had to destroy the towers in America so that they taste what we tasted, and they stop killing our women and children.

We found no difficulties in dealing with the Bush administration, because of the similarities of that administration and the regimes in our countries, half of which are run by the military and half of which are run by monarchs. And our experience is vast with them.

And those two kinds are full of arrogance and taking money illegally.

The resemblance started when [former President George H.W.] Bush, the father, visited the area, when some of our own were impressed by America and were hoping that the visits would affect and influence our countries.

Then, what happened was that he was impressed by the monarchies and the military regimes, and he was jealous of them staying in power for tens of years, embezzling the public money without any accountability. And he moved the tyranny and suppression of freedom to his own country, and they called it the Patriot Act, under the disguise of fighting terrorism. And Bush, the father, found it good to install his children as governors and leaders.

We agreed with the leader of the group, Mohammed Atta, to perform all attacks within 20 minutes before [President George W.] Bush and his administration were aware of what was going on. And we never knew that the commander-in-chief of the American armed forces would leave 50,000 of his people in the two towers to face those events by themselves when they were in the most urgent need of their leader.

He was more interested in listening to the child's story about the goat rather than worry about what was happening to the towers. So, we had three times the time necessary to accomplish the events.

Your security is not in the hands of [Democratic presidential nominee John] Kerry or Bush or al Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands. Any nation that does not attack us will not be attacked.

Nope, nothing about "killing all of the infidels." Just bemoaning foreign influence in the region.

Bin Laden, from his declaration of war on America wrote:So to abuse the grandsons of the companions, may Allah be pleased with them, by calling them cowards and challenging them by refusing to leave the land of the two Holy Places shows the insanity and the imbalance you are suffering from. Its appropriate 'remedy ,however, is in the hands of the youths of Islam, as the poet said:

I am willing to sacrifice self and wealth for knights who never disappointed me Knights who are never fed up or deterred by death, even if the mill of war turns In the heat of battle they do not care, and cure the insanity of the enemy by their 'insane' courage.

Terrorising you, while you are carrying arms on our land, is a legitimate and morally demanded duty. It is a legitimate right well known to all humans and other creatures. Your example and our example is like a snake which entered into a house of a man and got killed by him. The coward is the one who lets you walk, while carrying arms, freely on his land and provides you with peace and security.

But let's not let facts get in the way of propaganda for a miserable foreign policy, as long as the special interests profit, shall we?

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2007 8:45 pm**

mvscal wrote:whoremongering perverts, drunks and usurers

In.

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2007 8:47 pm**

mvscal wrote:We were in the "Holy Land" at the express invitation of the rightful government of Saudi Arabia in order to defend them against...other Muslims.

And as a real conservative, I ask --

Why in the fuck is that MY problem?

Kill each other off until there's only one left, for all I care...either way, it just ain't my fucking problem, and I don't appreciate being billed for somebody else's problem let alone, not to mention loss of American life.

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2007 8:47 pm**

mvscal wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:While he tosses in some "infidel" rhetoric to work up the stupid masses, bin Laden has made it VERY clear that the reason for his "holy war" is because Westerners are occupying the Holy Land...
We were in the "Holy Land" at the express invitation of the rightful government of Saudi Arabia in order to defend them against...other Muslims.

And you should fucking know it. The bottom line here is that we aren't Muslims.

Do you believe that 9/11 would have taken place if we never had soldiers placed in Saudi Arabia?

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2007 8:50 pm**

Goober McTuber wrote:Do you believe that 9/11 would have taken place if we never had soldiers placed in Saudi Arabia?

It was the US support of Israel against Lebanon that originally set him off, and it was the invasion of Iraq that got him started down the road to Looney Land.

Part of that whole "your towers for our towers" thing.

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2007 8:51 pm**

Goober McTuber wrote:
mvscal wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:While he tosses in some "infidel" rhetoric to work up the stupid masses, bin Laden has made it VERY clear that the reason for his "holy war" is because Westerners are occupying the Holy Land...
We were in the "Holy Land" at the express invitation of the rightful government of Saudi Arabia in order to defend them against...other Muslims.

And you should fucking know it. The bottom line here is that we aren't Muslims.

Do you believe that 9/11 would have taken place if we never had soldiers placed in Saudi Arabia?

Yes.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... iller.html

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2007 8:53 pm**

mvscal wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:
mvscal wrote:We were in the "Holy Land" at the express invitation of the rightful government of Saudi Arabia in order to defend them against...other Muslims.

And as a real conservative, I ask --

Why in the fuck is that MY problem?

Because YOUR entire fucking way of life revolves around the commodity of oil, you fucking dumbshit. The entire world economy revolves around it. Commerce, communications, everything we do would come to a crashing halt without it.

THAT's why.

I've been through this will Dinsdale before. He and TVO are rugged individualists who don't depend on oil to survive.

I believe him.

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2007 9:08 pm**

Tom In VA wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:
mvscal wrote: We were in the "Holy Land" at the express invitation of the rightful government of Saudi Arabia in order to defend them against...other Muslims.

And you should fucking know it. The bottom line here is that we aren't Muslims.

Do you believe that 9/11 would have taken place if we never had soldiers placed in Saudi Arabia?
Yes.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... iller.html

Thanks for the link. So he's a Jew-hater. Sounds like PSUfan's kind of guy.

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2007 9:09 pm**

Wow...the stupidity is rampant.

Yup, that oil is pretty crucial to modern life, alright.

And without American/British micromanagement of it and the region, I'm sure those silly sandnogs would just leave it sitting in the ground.

Yup, that's exactly what would happen.

Heaven forbid that a free-market system would have made it so OPEC never would have happened...and that would sure suck.

And before the US/British takeover of the Middle East, there was no oil flowing from there, it wasn't a rapidly expanding market, and all of the oil imported into the USA was like $400,000 a barrel.

Yeah, that's how it was working.

Nope, the situation today had nothing to do with certain people with a very high degree of government influence unilaterally deciding that the time was right to slice off a bigger slice of the pie...nope, that had nothing to do with it.

Wow. Just wow.

What if the Russians decided that American Maze was crucial to "their way of life," and invaded, and posted troops throughout the Midwest to "protect their interests"? Now, obviously, this hypothetical is dependent on many things, not the least of which being the availablility of Patrick Swayze to coem save us, but just in hypothetical terms...would you lay back and enjoy that, and teach your kids that Russian occupation was a good thing?

Do you realize how brainwashed and stupid you sound when you trumpet "they just hate freedom"? Uhm...I'm pretty sure they're fighting for "freedom"...from foreign occupiers. Just like any other culture has over human history. Yet some of you tards are suddenly shocked that hundreds of examples over thousands of years went ahead and repeated itself...

what a fucking :SHOCKER: that is, eh?

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2007 9:21 pm**

Dinsdale wrote:Wow. Just wow.

This trite phrase should take a rightful place alongside its brethren that have also long ago worn out their welcome, such as:

Sux and gax
Tears, Jerry. Tears.
Just sayin'
Rack any and all ___________ resets

They had their moments, but now just come across as crutches to support lack of originality.

I'm tempted to close with "just sayin'," but I'll refrain.

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2007 9:41 pm**

Well Smackie, you aired a grievance, and I'll see if I can't accomodate.

I should have said something like "holy fucking swampgas, you people are more than just a wee bit on the fucking retarded side."

Better?

L8

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2007 10:38 pm**

Dinsdale wrote: Do you realize how brainwashed and stupid you sound when you trumpet "they just hate freedom"?

Nobody said that in here. They want to be free, from Western Culture. Much of what they wish to free themselves from is Western Cultures liberal views on morality.

Shar'ia Law doesn't fuck around Dins.

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2007 10:39 pm**

mvscal wrote:We discovered that oil.

In the 8th century, the streets of the newly constructed Baghdad were paved with tar, derived from easily accessible petroleum from natural fields in the region. In the 9th century, oil fields were exploited in the area around modern Baku, Azerbaijan, to produce naphtha. These fields were described by the geographer Masudi in the 10th century, and by Marco Polo in the 13th century, who described the output of those wells as hundreds of shiploads.

Revisionist history RULEZORZ!!!!!!!

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2007 10:42 pm**

Tom In VA wrote:Much of what they wish to free themselves from is Western Cultures liberal views on morality.

Not to mention rational thought.

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2007 10:49 pm**

Tom In VA wrote:Much of what they wish to free themselves from is Western Cultures liberal views on morality.

And they're even remotely familiar with these "liberal views"...how?

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2007 11:30 pm**

mvscal wrote:We made those assholes wealthy beyond their wildest dreams.

And this entitles us to some sort of implied rule over their land?

It really is the feebleminded who are shocked that history repeated itself for the umpteenth time.

Posted: **Wed May 16, 2007 11:43 pm**

mvscal wrote:The alternative is death and destruction on a scale they can't even begin to comprehend because we WILL get what we need one way or another.

And cry like a bunch of little pussies and go against the very foundation this country is built upon when that policy produces its inevitable results.

We've truly become a nation of pussies.

Posted: **Thu May 17, 2007 12:54 am**

War Wagon wrote:That's strict biblical doctrine, and anyone who professes to be a true believer should adhere to tithing. No ifs, ands, or buts. The bible says that it shall be returned tenfold, and from my experience, it's true. I've seen it. You reap what you sow.

Well said, brother. I've been saying for years all you have to do is make that VOW of FAITH. Humba budda heeba hubba meckle lekla hi, mecki heidi ho

Sin,

Posted: **Thu May 17, 2007 1:08 am**

PSUFAN wrote:

NOT US!!!!

US!!!!

Don't forget about me, sexy.

Sin,

Posted: **Thu May 17, 2007 4:21 am**

Smackie Chan wrote:So you're saying that w/o the Bible or some other guidebook, you'd be unable to determine for yourself issues of morality or right from wrong? You really need someone else to do that for you?

Inherent in a hypothetical question is the reality that the answer it illicits may not be accurate.
I deal in realities.

The reality is that my base nature is selfish and self-absorbed.
The fact that I routinely give over (well over) 10% of my income away is a minor miracle.

I'm probably not as 'nice' as you are, Smackie.

Posted: **Thu May 17, 2007 4:37 am**

tithing?

Yep

Posted: **Thu May 17, 2007 11:24 am**

poptart wrote:I'm probably not as 'nice' as you are, Smackie.

You got me all wrong. I'm a real S.O.B., but I can still figure out right from wrong 99 times out of 100. For that other pesky 1%, I consult Dinsdale.

Posted: **Thu May 17, 2007 1:36 pm**

the rightful government of Saudi Arabia

Trolling indeed.

Very few folks in the Middle East regard the tribe that leads Saudi Arabia as "rightful". That's one of the underpinnings of this whole situation.

Basically, they are universally despised, and bin-Laden has worked that sentiment like a 2 dollar whore. Muslims might hate us for favoring Israel, for occupying the Holy Land, for living our "amoral" lifestyles...but you can bet the thing that tops the list, what pesters them every fucking day, is our support for and work with the Saudis.

Posted: **Thu May 17, 2007 4:22 pm**

Smackie Chan wrote:For that other pesky 1%, I consult Dinsdale.

To which I usually reply "just make sure to wear a rubber." Then I'm right about 99% of the time.

Posted: **Thu May 17, 2007 5:40 pm**

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLdnwH7s5qs

Discussing his comments on CNN I posted above, Hitchens goes on Hannity and That Other Guy's show and refuses to take te pile of Falwell's corpse. Pretty good.

Posted: **Thu May 17, 2007 6:42 pm**

Have you taken the Hitler Falwell quiz yet?

1. My feelings as a Christian point me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter.

2. This 'turn the other cheek' business is all well and good but it's not what Jesus fought and died for.

3. Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith.... We need believing people.

4. I hope I live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!

5. Universal education is the most corroding and disintegrating poison that liberalism has ever invented for its own destruction.

6. We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.

7. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit … We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press. . .we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess.

8. This the national government will regard its first and foremost duty to restore the unity of spirit and purpose of our people. It will preserve and defend the foundations upon which the power of our nation rests. It will take Christianity, as the basis of our collective morality, and the family as the nucleus of our people and state, under its firm protection....May God Almighty take our work into his grace, give true form to our will, bless our insight, and endow us with the trust of our people.

9. Remain strong in your faith, as you were in former years. In this faith, in its close-knit unity our people to-day goes straight forward on its way and no power on earth will avail to stop it.

10. We're fighting against humanism, we're fighting against liberalism ... we are fighting against all the systems of Satan that are destroying our nation today .

Hitler or Falwell answer key below! How many did YOU get right?
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Posted: **Fri May 18, 2007 12:36 am**

Q, West Coast Style wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yopbFf_Z3Mg

Wow.

Too bad he cant run for president, Hitch is one of the few people intelligent enough for me to vote for.
and he is dead on when it comes to mythology

Posted: **Fri May 18, 2007 12:43 am**

Posted: **Fri May 18, 2007 1:52 am**

SoCalTrjn wrote:Too bad he cant run for president, Hitch is one of the few people intelligent enough for me to vote for.
and he is dead on when it comes to mythology

'Dead' was a great word choice.

Rack it!

Posted: **Fri May 18, 2007 3:43 am**

Hitchens, of course, despite his Manchurian Columnist advocacy for invading Iraq(!), is accurate and refreshingly honest in eviscerating the vile Falwell. What a horrendous reflection on our society that such punks like Hanratty and Ralph Reed should be somehow representing a significant segment of our population. Notice in particular that Hitchens focuses on the toxic relationship between Israel and the moronic Christers--and that NONE of his points or observations were refuted or even challenged.

Posted: **Fri May 18, 2007 5:44 am**

mvscal wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:
mvscal wrote:Personally, I believe Jesus liked to bugger young boys.

[no,i'mnottrollingtomakethethumpers'headsexplode,nosiree]I believe your beliefs are perfectly in line with the teaching of the bible. It's just that certain church members(man editing the Word of God), had that particular Psalm deleted, for the sake of decency.
Just think about it.

Lifelong bachelor. Hung out with 12 other dudes all the time. They even had a token fag hag....a whore who could relax knowing her new friends were too busy buttfucking each other to bother her.

It was like an episode of Friends only gayer.

like "queer eye for the crucified guy"

Posted: **Fri May 18, 2007 7:23 am**

Mister Bushice wrote:
mvscal wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:
[no,i'mnottrollingtomakethethumpers'headsexplode,nosiree]I believe your beliefs are perfectly in line with the teaching of the bible. It's just that certain church members(man editing the Word of God), had that particular Psalm deleted, for the sake of decency.
Just think about it.

Lifelong bachelor. Hung out with 12 other dudes all the time. They even had a token fag hag....a whore who could relax knowing her new friends were too busy buttfucking each other to bother her.

It was like an episode of Friends only gayer.
like "queer eye for the crucified guy"

So all those Catlick priests all over the east coast really have been doing jesus' work

Posted: **Fri May 18, 2007 7:43 am**

mvscal wrote:You're the only one crying over your 18th century pipedream. Wake the fuck up. Like it or not we are an empire and we had better start acting like one or we're going to be an ex-empire pretty fucking quick.

Your ONE accurate take in several years.

Of course America's empire is gone. Why did you think such an entity--built of dreams, schemers, guile and gun--should have lasted longer than a few decades? Really, what part of the utterly insane fantasy of such lunatics as Cotton Mather, Millard Fillmore, W. Randolph Hearst, and J. Edgar Hoover did you actually believe? Why?

Did you really think that a stark raving nutjob as George Patton--or Douglas Macarthur--or Abraham Lincoln, or Ronald Reagan--any of these blind and reeling puppets of fevered cultural dementia, would actually pan out?

Did you ever doubt actual history?

Hint: "History falls on your head like rocks."

Posted: **Fri May 18, 2007 8:32 am**

This board balls your head with black cocks.

Posted: **Fri May 18, 2007 1:17 pm**

So all those Catlick priests all over the east coast really have been doing jesus' work

Don't fault them for their post-season record...they beat each other up in diocese play.

T1B

Rev. Falwell found unconscious