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Nice use of the all inclusive "we're" line again, though. Looking for some help from others, I take it.

WW - you're the dipshit that started this thread, calling out "coastal slobs" - hence Fu's use of "we".

Don't let me distract you from flaying yourself alive in the thread, though. We're enjoying it immensely.

Mvscal, I don't know Farber. I had class under Berthold. The man was funny as hell, toed the line, students loved him, his classes were always packed and he knew his shit. Good luck getting a seat. You didn't miss a Berthold class.

Berthold was awesome. And I will not take that back.

I was not aware that faculty -- or rather, Faber -- felt the way he did about Berthold. Sounds like politics beyond Berthold's comment about anyone flying into the Pentagon is ok with me. There is more to this story. "He received his one teaching award under highly unusual circumstances." Yeah, whatever. And that circumstance is...? Berthold's experience also obviously left a bitter mark on him. Then again, UNM is the university where one of the heads of KUNM (who I also had some acquaintanceship with) was forced out in part because he told a joke about women behind a closed door, a woman stood outside the door, and complained about sexual harassment.

There is more to the story. There may be more to the Berthold and Judge stories as well, and I accept that. But Berthold was not a monster who was kissing ass on his way to tenure.

You want to know the type of place UNM is, check out what has been happening with their revolving door president situation; as well as the International Science Fair scandal involving live mice, invisible tape, a jug of water and a high school girl's 'study' on depression. Or maybe not.

But regarding Berthold's obvious bitterness, I wish it were not so. Berthold did not need to be fired. The atmosphere post 9/11 said he was going to be sacrificed. And that's how it went. My understanding was that he was awarded in his time at UNM.

If any of you UNMers who attended class under Berthold have a difference experience of attending his classes, please say so.

My point to Mike is: a) nothing matters if someone wants you out, b) his views on every citizen for themselves makes him a dork. he's a school teacher. he should know better than anyone that some students need more help than other students, because they don't come from a home situation where they are going to get the same encouragement as more affluent families. they sure as hell aren't going to have the test prepping and tutoring assistance.

Something as simple as providing breakfast for students has an effect on student ability to succeed and learn in school.

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/f ... breakfast/
At these schools, every student could eat breakfast free, regardless of family income. Oak Grove Principal Sherre Walstad says the program has had a big impact on her students. "They have a good time going to breakfast and connecting with their friends, just like adults do in the morning. We've noticed a huge decrease in visits to the nurse. We know it makes their attention span longer to get them through the day because they've had the proper nutrients that last all morning. So we know it's helped achievement and it's also made a difference in discipline problems."

The study, funded by the Legislature, found the same story at the other pilot sites. Kyla Wahlstrom, an education researcher at the University of Minnesota, says she compared the sites to similar schools over a three-year period. She says students at the breakfast program schools were healthier, better behaved and scored higher on reading and math tests... "When kids are hungry, they act that out in a variety of ways. And we get manifestation of hunger in acting out behaviors and lack of attentiveness in the classroom. And the kids, when they are fed and feeling good about themselves and their bodies, are more able to learn, I believe." A recent Harvard University study of school children in Pennsylvania and Maryland produced results similar to the U of M study. Wahlstrom says the research will help state lawmakers as they make funding decisions about school breakfast programs.

https://mail.prairienet.org/pipermail/h ... 00681.html

State officials spent nearly half a million dollars to boost breakfast participation in schools struggling to meet standards under President Bush's No Child Left Behind program, said James Weill, (Food Research and Action Center) president. School breakfast is "the fastest, easiest, cheapest way of boosting school performance," he explained.

(unfortunately, the link to the seattle post-intelligencer article this newsgroup references is dead.)

There's also http://clearinghouse.missouriwestern.ed ... ts/203.asp which references several studies with varying levels of improvement (but no detriment) to providing breakfast to students, but the paper draws the conclusion that more study still needs to be done.

Mike is a school teacher. School breakfast programs is one of those issues in which persons who can't help themselves are given aid by the government. Mike is a dork, because his beliefs are to the detriment of his students.

Mike, I didn't say you blew someone to get your award to say you literally blew someone to get your award. I was saying for believing as you did, you suck. However, I am still taken aback by the vehemence of your rejection of the blow job smack. At first I thought you were just offended by the ethnic smack of guido. But your second response.... I won't say 'where there's smoke there's fire', but obviously something bad happened in your area involving a teacher and a student, and now you are gunshy to be associated in any way, means or manner with such behavior, even in jest.

What happened, Mike?

Risa wrote:Mike, I didn't say you blew someone to get your award to say you literally blew someone to get your award. I was saying for believing as you did, you suck. However, I am still taken aback by the vehemence of your rejection of the blow job smack. At first I thought you were just offended by the ethnic smack of guido. But your second response.... I won't say 'where there's smoke there's fire', but obviously something bad happened in your area involving a teacher and a student, and now you are gunshy to be associated in any way, means or manner with such behavior, even in jest.

What happened, Mike?

Nothing happened. Mike just enjoys beating slipshod posts like yours into the ground.

Risa wrote:My point to Mike is: a) nothing matters if someone wants you out,

Congratulations - I guess this would be one of those "blind squirrel finds a nut" moments. Got news for you, numbnut: that's the way it works in the real world for pretty much everyone except for tenured folks and unionized folks. And the French. If the boss rolls in after a three-day bender and decides that she doesn't like your tie and wants to fire you...out you go. Basically, as long as your boss doesn't fire you for being in one of those federally-protected human classifications, out you can go, for no reason.

The professor you were lionizing was tenured and was NOT fired (despite your initial claim), and I'd wager that his tenure and seniority was the only thing that kept him FROM being fired.

Risa wrote:b) his views on every citizen for themselves makes him a dork.

You are, once again, not only a full-blown idiot, but a liar to boot. To summarize my entire philosophical and political outlook as "every citizen for themselves [sic]" is pretty frigging daft when I've already stated otherwise in other posts. I'm not a walled-fortress, gun-toting, nutjob libertarian who believes that all aspects of government should be handed over to the private sector.

Pay attention, you dull-witted, cranially-deficient waste of carbon:
- I attended public schools
- I attended a STATE college for my first two degrees and accepted STATE and FEDERAL AID to help me pay the bills
- I spent over a decade doing HIV research funded by THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
- I accepted a FEDERAL LOAN (a Stafford loan) to complete my second Master's degree
- I currently teach at a PUBLIC high school, and
- oh yeah, because I have taught for five years (and still teach) in a FEDERALLY- DESIGNATED SCHOOL OF NEED, our government just ATE the remaining $4K of my Stafford loan

Now, considering that I have never posted anything in which I claim that "every citizen for themselves [sic]" is my mantra, have posted that I most certainly believe that there are definite areas in which the government need to step in (food inspection, interstate highways), and have the educational and professional background that I do, where in the hell do you get off declaring that I said otherwise? Just because I don't believe that it is the FEDERAL government's role to administer welfare?

And if that's the case, your analysis of my view is that I am a "dork?"

Risa wrote:he should know better than anyone that some students need more help than other students, because they don't come from a home situation where they are going to get the same encouragement as more affluent families. they sure as hell aren't going to have the test prepping and tutoring assistance.

I have, and still do tutor many of those very kids for free during the school year, so, I know FAR BETTER THAN YOU DO about the situation.

Oh...that's right...I forgot. You get to pontificate on all these matters as if you are an expert because you happen to be a black woman, while I happen to be a member of the oppressing Western patriarchal hegemony.

Bull-fucking-shit.

As far as your little sideline crap about school lunches, it has nothing to do with the fact that you are a moron, race-baiter, and proven liar.

Risa wrote:Mike is a dork, because his beliefs are to the detriment of his students.

I do more to help actual students - white, black, Hispanic, Chinese, etc. than of your tired, half-assed rants EVER will. My pass rate on state exams is outstanding, I tutor and mentor kids, and I've helped guide students and their parents to getting help to allow them to get to college. You don't have a frigging clue about what you spout. All you know is that I'm a white male who made some political views you don't like, and from that you've thrown together a wholly inaccurate and moronic portrait on me.

Risa wrote:Mike, I didn't say you blew someone to get your award to say you literally blew someone to get your award. I was saying for believing as you did, you suck.

Spin away. You stated that I must have fellated someone to have gotten my student-chosen award. Even if you want to trivialize the pedophilic nature of your comment, the fact remains that you rejected the opinion of students who know me far better than you ever could and also attempted to demean my professional abilities.

Risa wrote:I am still taken aback by the vehemence of your rejection of the blow job smack.

Gee, you can't grasp why I'd be offended by the implication that I perform oral sex with my underage students? Are you not only a moron intellectually but MORALLY as well?

Risa wrote:At first I thought you were just offended by the ethnic smack of guido.

Nah, I figured that the glaring hypocricy of the board's resident self-appointed defender of false racism deciding to whip out a pejorative term for my ethnic heritage was obvious for all to see. Maybe my people should hold hold some sort of idiotic ceremonial burial of that term (and joke that it now "sleeps with the fishes")...but we'd probably get called racist for mocking the whole "n-word" burial.

Risa wrote:I won't say 'where there's smoke there's fire', but obviously something bad happened in your area involving a teacher and a student, and now you are gunshy to be associated in any way, means or manner with such behavior, even in jest.

My God, you trying to connect dots. It's almost cute in a "chimp with a crayon trying to do a Picasso" kind of way. Except, of course, the chimp actually has higher brain functions that allow it to make occasionally intelligent-seeming responses.

No, nothing bad happened in my district. But, then again, I suppose that the "genius" who repeatedly screamed that the Duke lacrosse players should "fry" and 'face a beat down" even when it turned out that the whore that accused them of rape was lying...just 'cuz SOMETHING must have happened (your "smoke-fire" thing again) is just being consistant in accusing without cause. By the way: Tawana lied too. And neither you, nor Sharpton, nor any of the race baiters apologized ('cept of course for the white one who lost his job...). Usually , when you falsely accuse someone of crimes, it's customary to apologize when the truth comes out...ah, forget it, you wouldn't understand, it's a "white thing".

BTW: my venom is solely due to the fact that you epitomize two things I hate: dishonesty and unapologetic, utter stupidity.

OMG, that was huge, LabRat.

It was kind of like watching COSMOS for the first time. And then your mom tells you to close your mouth as you're catching flies.

RACK

Rip City

LabRat goes yard. RACK.

War Wagon wrote:Yo Dins, saw the story I linked in the KC Star fishwrap this morning with a sidebar listing the top 10 cities for volunteerism that wasn't in the online version. Seems the U & L are well represented and not all coastal dwellers are lazy and selfish.

1 Minneapolis - St.Paul
2 Salt Lake City
3 Austin
4 Omaha
5 Seattle
6 Portland
7 Kansas City
8 Milwaukee
9 Charlotte
10 Tulsa

'bode you'se guys. Nice work.

You might find this link and the study it references illuminating as well.

http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/Departmen ... atedcities

The professor I lionized was a great teacher who made history exciting. He got a raw deal in the immediate aftermath of September 11. They wanted him out, he was out. My understanding was that he was fired. Being forced to resign is semantics... but probably an important one when you get up to that level, right?

He shouldn't have been so quick in the link above, to show his bitterness towards his treatment at 'Stanford on the Rio Grande' as (if I remember correctly) the school tried to gloss itself back in the 90s. Maybe he just didn't care anymore. Politics.

No, I am not a liar. But you -- a teacher -- disturbed me with your views when you came out of the gate with this: "IMNSHO, it is most definitely NOT the role of the federal government to care for the destitute, handicapped, ill, aged, etc. It's just another sign of Americans' piss-poor grasp of government's proper role (and their own frigging laziness) that they think that shuffling off the messy problem off to the federal government is the answer. No number of emotional appeals featuring weepy vignettes of elderly invalids doesn't change the argument. It is not the role of federal government to "take care of us," save us from our own stupidity, or micromanage every frigging aspect of our lives (health care, education, etc.). Citing the Constitution's "general welfare" bit to rationalize government's meddling in "well-meaning" ventures is a dangerous opening for increasing government power and contrary to the intent of the Founding Fathers (whose status as slave owners or "dead white guys" is completely irrelevant to the argument at hand). "

All I could think of is Head Start, school lunch and breakfast programs, tuition and school supply assistance for the poor; and now I'm thinking of additional assistance for poor students who also happen to be an American with a disability, and just how many adults were given a leg up through the old GI Bill program. But mostly I thought of Head Start and school lunch and breakfast programs. A child shouldn't have to pay for the mistakes of their parent. You are a teacher, anything that would benefit children and is shown to benefit children I thought you would be for even if those children are poor and the money for those programs come from tax dollars. I thought. You appearing to cut those same poor students off at the ankle, while quoting rich men who didn't have to worry about where their next meal was coming from.... that made you a dork, to me. You're a teacher, but even teachers can be wrong and on the wrong side.

I apologize, because you apparently found much more offense with the term 'dork' and my opinion of your opinions; than the term 'guido' which was intended to jab.

Your emotions are an interesting read. Your words themselves are ass covering.

Mike the Lab Rat wrote:where in the hell do you get off declaring that I said otherwise? Just because I don't believe that it is the FEDERAL government's role to administer welfare?

You're a teacher. I assumed that, as a teacher, you would be for anything that would start all students off at the same starting point, instead of some students far ahead and others far behind... even if it meant a form of welfare to catch those who don't have the net the rich and middle class do. But you came off as very angry. For me, while "It is not the role of federal government to "take care of us," save us from our own stupidity, or micromanage every frigging aspect of our lives (health care, education, etc.)." there are some people who are not being stupid, and are not being lazy, they are just in situations which they do not control and need assistance getting out of. If the money is there to pay to assist them, why not spend that money. I think of Iraq, and the over trillion spent on it........ and we could use that money here, to improve Americans lives.

I called you a dork, again, because you appeared to be cutting off your own students legs. I didn't know and didn't care about your own background. The only thing that mattered to me was that you were a teacher, that you appeared to be angry, and that the thing you were angry about was one of the things that could (properly managed) provide the most positivity to a child who is already weighted down with the bad luck of being born poor.

That was my reading of you. And that was why I termed you a 'dork' in responding to Terry. The 'guido' was just me being obligatorily snide about your ethnicity. Italian isn't really white. Or are you not Italian? In which case I'd owe you a second apology, and a new ethnic slur.

I have, and still do tutor many of those very kids for free during the school year, so, I know FAR BETTER THAN YOU DO about the situation.

What is their situation, and how is government money -- food, shelter, health care, schooling -- not helping them?

My 'sideline crap', as you put it, regarding school breakfast and lunches comes because private corporations aren't paying for that, tax dollars are. At least, it used to be that way. I don't know what's going on now with corporate money giving schools some supplies in exchange for putting junk food like Pizza Hut and Taco Bell in cafeterias. On the one hand it cuts down on students' excuses to leave campus during the lunch hour. On the other... that shit is really bad for you, every day.

At least the federal government's ulterior motives are a little more pure than corporations motives in schools.

None of that makes me a liar. It just means that I don't agree with you from where I thought you were coming from. People disagreeing with you doesn't make them liars, Mike. People misunderstanding your intent doesn't make them liars either.

I'm going to let the 'blow job' issue go, because I don't want you to get in trouble in your real life because someone with an agenda towards you as a teacher finds this thread and does not very nice things to it in spite of your taking extreme offense to the very idea that anyone would dare think that you would act inappropriately towards the children in your care.

I thought something did happen. I still believe something did happen. But it wasn't worthy of falsely accusing someone of rape, let alone nearly two dozen young men of a rape which never happened. Name calling is not equal to a rape accusation. The n-bomb is worthy of a beatdown. But you don't falsely accuse anyone of rape. Period. Crystal Gail is a lying bitch and a disgrace as a mother and as a black and as a woman. So is her friend. I refuse to paint the Lacrosse team as some angels, though.

PSUFAN wrote:

Nice use of the all inclusive "we're" line again, though. Looking for some help from others, I take it.

WW - you're the dipshit that started this thread, calling out "coastal slobs" - hence Fu's use of "we".

Yeah, I'm the "dipshit" who started a thread that's went 4 pages, 140+ reply's and counting. Some good stuff, too.

So sue me, Douchebag, Rollins, Stevo, or whatever troll nic you're currently using trying to create traffic on your own message board, PUTZfan. I'll create traffic the old fashioned way.

And no, Fu's use of "we" is just another in a long litany of shit posters who have to squat to piss trying to "get over" by insinuating that other posters think likewise. So far, you're the only other squatter pisser who thinks likewise. Perhaps other posters will join in the "pile-on". Not that I'll care either way, but the two of you can only hope.

Christ, Fu's initial foray into this thread was to denigrate someone for driving a forklift. How pathetic is that? It's very pathetic, you dipshit.

Whitey.

I'm a neutral party here. Coming from someone who has smacked both you and Fu equally in the past, let me just say...




Dude is destroying you. Just let this one go.

Actually...

dont

Magoo

Opinion noted, but coming from someone who doesn't give a rats ass what you think, you may go fuck yourself.

Or don't.

War Wagon wrote: Christ, Fu's initial foray into this thread was to denigrate someone for driving a forklift. How pathetic is that? It's very pathetic, you dipshit.

No. My initial foray into this thread was to denigrate YOU, not just a random someone, but YOU. It was just my turn to take a swing at the pinata.

You start moronic threads like this one, and others equally as shitty, and deserve to get your ass handed to you as much as possible. What topic are you going to go with next that will result in another pile-on? I know - how about start a thread about how the AL owns the NL because they haven't lost an All-Star game in 11 years. Nevermind the fact that the WS trophy currently resides with a NL team. Surely, only a brain dead dimwit would start such a thread, right chuck wagon? Thankfully for you, the MLB forum doesn't get much traffic or you'd be getting curbstomped in there. Not to worry as I'm sure you're in the process of conjuring up another self-induced ass kicking up here in the Cul de Smack.

Rack Fu wrote: You start moronic threads like this one, and others equally as shitty, and deserve to get your ass handed to you as much as possible.

Priceless.

Some sloped head UF hack thinks a thread about volunteerism rates is moronic. Irony, thy name is Barney Fu.

Please link me to all the stellar threads YOU've started. Or maybe just one. Take your time, I'm patient.

Nevermind the fact that the WS trophy currently resides with a NL team.

It was a fluke, and you know it. Detroit proved that when they rolled into St Loser and swept them in interleague play. That was ugly, kinda' like what happened league wide this year. And last year. And the year before that.

It must really suck to be a 'stros fan and trying to defend your shit team in a shit league.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Whitey.

I'm a neutral party here. Coming from someone who has smacked both you and Fu equally in the past, let me just say...




Dude is destroying you.

"Destroying" might be a little strong. "Bitch-slapping" might work.

War Wagon wrote:
It was a fluke, and you know it. Detroit proved that when they rolled into St Loser and swept them in interleague play. That was ugly, kinda' like what happened league wide this year. And last year. And the year before that.

It must really suck to be a 'stros fan and trying to defend your shit team in a shit league.

Yeah, winning a seven game series in five games sure is a fluke. Are you really this fucking stupid? That was a rhetorical question, BTW.

I'm not an Astros fan, fuckhead. Nice whiff.

Rack Fu, no I don't have any proof that you lived off your wife. I'm riffing off past smack that was directed towards you, and which I don't remember you countering. I didn't read every thread, though, so I may have missed some epic battles.

You had a dream. You lived off your wife while waiting for the word of the dream coming true. You don't get to smack folks for working at legitimate (and legitimately useful) jobs, while you sat on your ass.... savings or no, particularly if your wife worked while you went through your personal savings. That's all.

Have you ever collected welfare Annie? Some constitutional scholars here want to know.

Risa wrote:Rack Fu, no I don't have any proof that you lived off your wife.

Then you can shut the fuck up.

Risa wrote:I'm riffing off past smack that was directed towards you

Smack is generally very accurate, right?

Risa wrote:and which I don't remember you countering.

Why would I? Unlike yourself, I don't take this all that seriously. I guess I should have had Ernst & Young audit my financial situation and post the results for all to see in order to prove to a bunch of people (that I don't know or particularly care about) that I had the financial wherewithal to make it. I'm planning on retiring in 18 years once I turn 55. I'll be sure to present my retirement portfolio for your approval.

Risa wrote: You had a dream. You lived off your wife while waiting for the word of the dream coming true. You don't get to smack folks for working at legitimate (and legitimately useful) jobs, while you sat on your ass.... savings or no

You're obviously having a hard time comprehending something. Let's take my wife out of the equation for a second here. If I was single and took 18 months off to "sit on my ass" (I see you didn't bother reading my previous reply to you) and lived off my savings, I would only be living off myself. Adding my wife to the equation changes nothing. I had more than enough money to pay for my expenses - mortgage, car payment, groceries, utilities, etc. Comprende? It's not rocket science, Annie.

Risa wrote:particularly if your wife worked while you went through your personal savings. That's all.

I highlighted the part where you almost got it. Almost.

Rack Fu wrote:

Risa wrote:and which I don't remember you countering.

Why would I?

Dude, if anyone posts anything about you, whether it be on this board or one you aren't even registered at and Anigger from New Mexico reads it... then it's gospel.




Tell me you knew.....

R-Jack wrote:

Rack Fu wrote:I'm planning on retiring in 18 years once I turn 55.

Now I'm confused again. You want props for having a plan to retire at 73? What the hell is your plan? Drop dead?

:D

Let me try again... "when I turn 55."

Rack Fu wrote: Smack is generally very accurate, right?

Yeah, and when I clock in tomorrow, I'll be jumping right on a forklift.

meds, indeed.

Good luck with that retirement plan, btw.