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BSmack wrote:

smackaholic wrote:or does she just have a marketable fukking skill?

I can't help but notice the implication that the ability to TEACH YOUR CHILDREN is not a "marketable skill." We are truly fucked.

Yes we are. Unless we get vouchers and hold teachers accountable.

they match, but she's also allowed a higher % to contribute from her check than I was and still have the company match.

She finished with a degree in Bio Medical Engineering, but isn't working in her field. She has lower co-pays than I do, by nearly half. I recently had my wisdom teeth yanked... and had to pay $500 out of pocket. If I was under her insurance, it would have been $225. oh, and non-union.

What percentage are you and your wife allowed to have matched?

By the way, your union isn't all that if you aren't getting as sweet a deal as your wife.

that would fall under the concessions part of what teachers have been giving up in recent years... contrary to popular belief.

They match up to 7% of her gross salary.
Mine was capped at 4%.

Screw_Michigan wrote: I feel sorry for you, your children, the KC metropolitan area and the citizens of the state of Missouri. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Ashamed of what?

Don't feel sorry for us, Screwball... most of us still have jobs, good jobs, and there is no shame in that. We work for a living here and don't expect any handouts.

My company was in survival mode. They cut back everything. We went from 300 employees to 30 in the space of 6 months. We couldn't pay our vendors and every raw material we needed went to COD.

They cut vacation, I lost 5 weeks. They cut the 401k match. They cut salaries by 20%, but somehow I still had a job after 25 years.

Fuck you pussies who somehow think you're entitled to something.

C'mon, wags, you're in deep self-pity mode, who are you kidding? Have you stopped to consider why your company was gutted? That is, have you connected the dots of these deregulation assholes like Phil Gramm and friends, and how the very same warped thinking pushed through the catastrophic NAFTA deal? In other words, haven't you wakey waked to the fact that these corporate criminals are just using you like a kleenex with which to wipe their ass?

Stand now with the most noble institution in America's history--organized labor--and stop your pathetic parroting of Rusp Limpdick and his sour gas.

LTS TRN 2 wrote:C'mon, wags, you're in deep self-pity mode, who are you kidding? Have you stopped to consider why your company was gutted? That is, have you connected the dots of these deregulation assholes like Phil Gramm and friends, and how the very same warped thinking pushed through the catastrophic NAFTA deal? In other words, haven't you wakey waked to the fact that these corporate criminals are just using you like a kleenex with which to wipe their ass?

Stand now with the most noble institution in America's history--organized labor--and stop your pathetic parroting of Rusp Limpdick and his sour gas.

Are you high 24/7?

"Furthermore, Walker wants to end automatic dues collection and mandate a yearly vote for the union to remain certified." --BSmack

So what do you find objectionable here, B? If the union is serving its' clientel well the dues will be forthcoming and its' certification would easily pass, particularly since the union would work diligently for the state workers it supposedly represents.

As you might sense, I am rather skeptical about unions since the two that I have associated with in my working lifetime weren't worth a shit. They were the working man's equivilent of an indifferent government-- eager to collect and line their pockets with money they didn't earn. I say make them prove their value by earning the confidence of the people they suppsedly serve.

Rooster wrote: As you might sense, I am rather skeptical about unions since the two that I have associated with in my working lifetime weren't worth a shit. They were the working man's equivilent of an indifferent government-- eager to collect and line their pockets with money they didn't earn. I say make them prove their value by earning the confidence of the people they suppsedly serve.

This isn't first hand experience but the experience of a family member "up north". The "upper echelon" of unionists play dirty pool with some lower line "local" leaders that might not play ball.

Things like planting kiddie porn on the dude's computer.


If that's true. Swell people they are. Really looking looking out for folks.

Rooster wrote:So what do you find objectionable here, B? If the union is serving its' clientel well the dues will be forthcoming and its' certification would easily pass, particularly since the union would work diligently for the state workers it supposedly represents.

And of course the union is stuck PAYING for the vote every year. It is just another way Walker is trying to take political power away from the unions that didn't support him.

Walker is a complete fucking corporate tool. He bankrupted Milwaukee County, now he’ll work his magic at a much higher level. I know a number of people who voted for him who already have buyer’s remorse. Worst. Governor. Ever.

Mac22 wrote:for those of you that think the pension is a free ride... 50% is paid in by the teachers. The school district cover the other half.
As for health, I was paying $150 a month for medical, $40 a month for dental, and $15 a month for eye coverage. ended up just dropping the last two since paying cash at both places once a year ends up to be cheaper.

someone tell me again how this is worlds better than everyone else? my wife works at a software company making 3X more than me, and pays in about the same for all healthcare for herself. (and her pension is better than mine)

Newsflash here you dong face government tit sucker. A lot of districts states have different plans. Yours just happens to suck as far as school plans go,and your union has no nuts, otherwise you would be on the same great gravy train as most others.

War Wagon wrote:

Screw_Michigan wrote: I feel sorry for you, your children, the KC metropolitan area and the citizens of the state of Missouri. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Ashamed of what?

Don't feel sorry for us, Screwball... most of us still have jobs, good jobs, and there is no shame in that. We work for a living here and don't expect any handouts.

My company was in survival mode. They cut back everything. We went from 300 employees to 30 in the space of 6 months. We couldn't pay our vendors and every raw material we needed went to COD.

They cut vacation, I lost 5 weeks. They cut the 401k match. They cut salaries by 20%, but somehow I still had a job after 25 years.

Fuck you pussies who somehow think you're entitled to something.

That had nothing to do with my take, dumbfuck. I'm not even going to bother explaining it to you, and it has nothing to do with entitlements or handouts, asswipe.

LTS TRN 2 wrote: It's obscene to listen to the blathering sour gas of Rusp Limpdick

Kind of like reading your posts ?

Derron wrote:

LTS TRN 2 wrote: It's obscene to listen to the blathering sour gas of Rusp Limpdick

Kind of like reading your posts ?

I Know He Is But So Are You? KC Dorron strikes again.

War Wagon wrote:... most of us still have jobs, good jobs, and there is no shame in that...

...They cut vacation, I lost 5 weeks. They cut the 401k match. They cut salaries by 20%, but somehow I still had a job after 25 years.

You mean you HAD a good job. Now you have a subsistence level income and that makes you bitter towards those who, until now, have had good benefits and wages.

BSmack wrote:

War Wagon wrote:... most of us still have jobs, good jobs, and there is no shame in that...

...They cut vacation, I lost 5 weeks. They cut the 401k match. They cut salaries by 20%, but somehow I still had a job after 25 years.

You mean you HAD a good job. Now you have a subsistence level income and that makes you bitter towards those who, until now, have had good benefits and wages.

goddamn right it does make him bitter, along with the rest of the privately employed people who pay the FUCKING TAXES that support the government tit suckers, who incessantly bitch about how bad they have it with their fully funded, no employee contribution health care and retirement plans?

So why is it that government workers should have a better ride than Wags does ?? Because they work for the government ? Because they have these noble, albeit CHOSEN, professions ?

Why should not the government worker share the economic pain of the private side ? What should privately employed workers have to pay for their own health care, and fund their own retirement incomes when the government honks do not ?? Answer me that Comrade ...

Nothing like saying well "Fuck you Wags..you had a good job..but your going to have to carry the load on this one, because all the government cocksuckers are not going to share in this economic "downturn" . "

Derron wrote:So why is it that government workers should have a better ride than Wags does ??

We should be focusing on bring Wags UP to the level of government worker compensation, not bringing government workers DOWN to his compensation level.

Derron wrote: government tit suckers

My spreadsheet has been known to be on the fritz from time to time but isn't your son a jackboot of some sort?

BSmack wrote:

Derron wrote:So why is it that government workers should have a better ride than Wags does ??

We should be focusing on bring Wags UP to the level of government worker compensation, not bringing government workers DOWN to his compensation level.

And how, pray tell...would you suggest accomplishing that since Stalin, Lenin, Kruschev, Mao and every other socialist over the last 300 or so years has failed in that ?

BSmack wrote:

Derron wrote:So why is it that government workers should have a better ride than Wags does ??

We should be focusing on bring Wags UP to the level of government worker compensation, not bringing government workers DOWN to his compensation level.

I think we should focus on bringing Wags up to the level of government worker intelligence first.

BSmack wrote:

Derron wrote:So why is it that government workers should have a better ride than Wags does ??

We should be focusing on bring Wags UP to the level of government worker compensation, not bringing government workers DOWN to his compensation level.

And how exactly do you do that?

You do it by providing the condiitons for a robust economy. You don't do it by just making everyone a union employee.

War Wagon wrote:Don't feel sorry for us, Screwball... most of us still have jobs, good jobs, and there is no shame in that. We work for a living here and don't expect any handouts.
We went from 300 employees to 30 in the space of 6 months.

You are one stupid fuckhead.

Moving Bowels wrote:

Derron wrote: government tit suckers

My spreadsheet has been known to be on the fritz from time to time but isn't your son a jackboot of some sort?

Your spreadsheet is fucked because you do not have the brains to enter the data correctly...

Serving in the military for 4 years hardly qualifies you as sucking the government tit. Tell me you knew.

Derron wrote:socialist

What does socialism have to do with it?

Derron wrote: Serving in the military for 4 years hardly qualifies you as sucking the government tit.

If being a teacher qualifies then so does being an unneeded jackboot you mercilessly stupid pile rat shit.

smackaholic wrote:

BSmack wrote:

Derron wrote:So why is it that government workers should have a better ride than Wags does ??

We should be focusing on bring Wags UP to the level of government worker compensation, not bringing government workers DOWN to his compensation level.

And how exactly do you do that? You do it by providing the condiitons for a robust economy. You don't do it by just making everyone a union employee.

The conditions for a robust economy do not include slashing wages and benefits. That is a recipe for continued contraction. Tell me you knew?

smackaholic wrote: You do it by providing the conditions(sic) for a robust economy. You don't do it by just making everyone a union employee.

Our economy was at it's most robust when unions were strongest you corporate dick sucking sheep.

Moving Sale wrote:

Derron wrote:socialist

What does socialism have to do with it?

Ahhhh...everything ?

So functioning capitalist societies have no government employees?

There are viruses that are smarter than you.

BSmack wrote:The conditions for a robust economy do not include slashing wages and benefits. That is a recipe for continued contraction. Tell me you knew?

I’m still trying to wrap my head around how asking state workers to pay 12% of the total cost of their healthcare expense, and 6% of their pension fund is “slashing wages and benefits”.

BTW, the layoff of 6,000 state workers ain’t exactly a recipe for prosperity either, B. Kinda the whole point: The economy isn’t robust, and we wouldn’t still be arguing this thing 5 pages deep if it were. The state is committed to spending more money than it has brought in. So how do we go about creating the robust conditions you speak of?

You start by creating goods, products, and services to meet commercial needs and consumer demands. This, in turn, will expand the labor market to a point where competition for, and scarcity of skilled employees will drive higher wages for more workers - who will in turn pay more taxes, thus expanding the size of Government you libs so dearly love, and fund the bennies of the government goldbricks you’ve pained yourself to defend.

So what ARE these goods, products, and services? I suspect we’d find out in short order with a bit of Government deregulation and a moratorium on business capital gains taxes. But that’s topic for another 5 page debate in another thread.

Screw_Michigan wrote:

I AM ashamed: You carry a mighty burden, Screw.

Pray for me...

Truman wrote: The state is committed to spending more money than it has brought in.

The governor has you hoodwinked you stupid fuck. WI had no real money problems until this asshat Walker showed up.

Goober McTuber wrote:Walker is a complete fucking corporate tool. He bankrupted Milwaukee County, now he’ll work his magic at a much higher level. I know a number of people who voted for him who already have buyer’s remorse. Worst. Governor. Ever.

Wondered when you would weigh in on this...

How did Walker bankrupt Milwaukee County? And how will his attempt to balance the budget bankrupt the state?

Truman wrote: How did Walker bankrupt Milwaukee County?

So you never read the Greater Milwaukee Committee's report and yet you feel informed enough to comment on what Walker is up to now?

STFU until you have SOME idea of WTF you are talking about.

Moving Sale wrote:WI had no real money problems until this asshat Walker showed up.

One Page 3, Truman wrote:So Walker's been in office for all of one month, and has already managed to bury Wisky in a $3 billion hole? That's almost Barry-like talent...

I realize you have to run three strides to match the single step of a normal-sized person, but try to keep up Shorty...

Moving Sale wrote:

Truman wrote: How did Walker bankrupt Milwaukee County?

So you never read the Greater Milwaukee Committee's report and yet you feel informed enough to comment on what Walker is up to now?

STFU until you have SOME idea of WTF you are talking about.

Well, there's that...

Or MAYBE I just wanted to read Goober's take on the subject, he being a Wisconsin resident and junk. This IS a message board, after all, despite your "contributions"...

Why do you persist on making yourself look like an asshat?

I read it. It's not true, which is why I said you have been hoodwinked. I realize you have to read things three times to understand stuff that a normal person only has to read once to comprehend, but try and put in the effort anyway you stupid gullible fuckpillow.

Truman wrote:

Goober McTuber wrote:Walker is a complete fucking corporate tool. He bankrupted Milwaukee County, now he’ll work his magic at a much higher level. I know a number of people who voted for him who already have buyer’s remorse. Worst. Governor. Ever.

Wondered when you would weigh in on this...

How did Walker bankrupt Milwaukee County? And how will his attempt to balance the budget bankrupt the state?

Google "walker bankrupt milwaukee county" and see what you can find.

Walker will give every tax break he can to the fat cats who bankrolled his campaign, while lowering the standard of living of a significant number of Wisconsin’s citizens. Increasing state employee contributions for both pensions and health insurance had already been negotiated with the teachers’ union. It was ready to be approved by the legislature months ago.

But Walker asked the legislature to hold off on approving the package until he got into office. That idea (delaying approval of negotiated contracts) wouldn’t have happened save for one lame duck Democratic legislator voting with the Republicans to hold off on approval. Less than a month into the Walker regime, that lame duck Democratic legislator was appointed to a $90,000/year job in the new Republican administration.

The deal Walker is trying to ram through now is essentially the same deal as far as the increased employee contributions, but also strips their right to collective bargaining.

Truman wrote:Or MAYBE I just wanted to read Goober's take on the subject, he being a Wisconsin resident and junk.

So you read the report and you are still tonguing Walker asshole? WTF is wrong with you? Dropped on your head as a kid? Beat mercilessly by your drunken father? Hit in the head with a bat by a disgruntled ex gf? What is your reason for being so stupid?