T1B

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:15 am**

Was greeted by this appetizing pic in the paper Sunday morning:

Scalding winds have turned some corn almost to ashes

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/07/21/37 ... rylink=cpy

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:48 am**

Round here, our corn is looking awesome (we grow it later here, generally). We've got plenty... for us. Not a major crop, so I guess we'll just eat it, since we can't supply the agricorps enough.

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:50 pm**

Dinsdale wrote:Round here, our corn is looking awesome (we grow it later here, generally). We've got plenty... for us. Not a major crop, so I guess we'll just eat it, since we can't supply the agricorps enough.

Yeah, I've been getting some pretty nice corn at the local farmers market lately. Cooked some on the grill just last Saturday. The other thing now is tomatoes. Usually one or four vendors have them regularly (even through the winter). Every vendor has tomatoes now. Cherry tomatoes, heirlooms of every size, shape and color, even plain old red tomatoes. The hot weather of the past couple of weeks is what did it. Good thing I like tomatoes.

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 3:18 pm**

Dinsdale wrote:Round here, our corn is looking awesome (we grow it later here, generally). We've got plenty... for us. Not a major crop, so I guess we'll just eat it, since we can't supply the agricorps enough.

Our corn crop is highly different that the Midwest. Our soils in the growing regions are much better, and we have this novel thing called...IRRIGATION.

We are not dry land farmers as is the Midwest regions. They dry out early, so they plant early and harvest late. They depend upon stored soil moisture, and the hope that the early summer rains will replace the evaporated water. If it works out...great, if not..this is what results.

Our farmers slap a suction line in the nearest river or creek, and roll out these huge traveling sprinklers that water about 15 to 20 acres a set, 2 sets per day. This started last week and will go on until harvest in late September. Our per acre yields are at least 3 times what the corn belt producers get, but our total corn acreage is probably 1 / 100 if not less. Most of our corn is processed for the fresh or frozen market, not hog feed and that so efficient ethanol production, although there is some ethanol production, government subsidized of course.

Neighbor has 53 acres growing right next to my place, and I have unlimited picking for turning the sprinkler pump on and off a few times and letting him know if things are not right.

That dryland farming is rolling the fucking dice too much. At least we can control one of the more critical inputs to a successful harvest, and generally experience about no crop failures. Yields may vary from year to year, but very little loss occurs even in the worst years.

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:14 pm**

Dohron,

Oregon doesn’t even register as a producer of corn.

http://www.stuffaboutstates.com/agricul ... n_corn.htm

Looks like there are a couple of counties in Washington that produce at a decent clip.

http://www.agweb.com/harvest_map.aspx

But Iowa, Illinos, and Nebraska together produce almost half of the nation's corn. I'm guessing that Oregon is a net corn importer.

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:44 pm**

Goober McTuber wrote:Dohron,

Oregon doesn’t even register as a producer of corn.

http://www.stuffaboutstates.com/agricul ... n_corn.htm

Looks like there are a couple of counties in Washington that produce at a decent clip.

http://www.agweb.com/harvest_map.aspx

But Iowa, Illinos, and Nebraska together produce almost half of the nation's corn. I'm guessing that Oregon is a net corn importer.

Gobbles McCocks:

Most of the corn produced goes to corn starch, and some powders made for export. Big canneries in the Salem area process a lot of the fresh market corn and frozen corn. Distance to market is critical in the cost ratio, 50 miles to the processor seems to the on the high end. That is on the sweet corn side. Plenty of field corn grown to feed cows.

Those areas in Washington are probably close to the Columbia River where they have huge circle pivot irrigation and cheap power, although they got hit with some 18% power rate increases.

Sweet corn is usually a three year rotation crop with wheat, sometimes beans, all depends on what the grower grows. Price of wheat is right up there, about $ 8.95 a bushel today. Can't go wrong there with 150 bushel / acre on the west side, less on the east.

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:56 pm**

Dohron,

You still produce less than 0.02% of the nation's corn. And 20-25% of the nation's retards.

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:07 pm**

I'm in Medford, working outside... and yes, it's plenty hot enough.

Supposed to peak out about 95, which is reasonably tolerable... but they could turn the thermostat down just a hair and I'd be OK with it.

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:09 pm**

And for the record, Goobs -- if you've never had sweet corn from Sauvies Island (not a huge area, so it mostly stays in the Portland area)... you haven't had sweet corn.

Even other forms of tasty U&L sweet corn pale next to Sauvies sweet corn (and they charge accordingly).

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:17 pm**

mvscal wrote:
Bizzarofelice wrote:
trev wrote:The reason it's getting warmer is not known.
99.9% of scientists disagree with you, hausfrau.

You are quite simply wrong on that figure and even if you weren't it wouldn't matter if 99.9% of scientists believed in something that wasn't true. All it takes is one to be right.

Sure, one Koch brothers funded "expert panel" refutes thousands of legitimate scientists. Welcome to Rove world, where everything's Reagan all the time--a bizarre fake fantasy world of paranoid profiteering lunatics who are quite willing to kill the planet rather than admit they are dead wrong--like Reagan has been proven to be.

The lingering notion that mankind cannot affect the earth's ecosystem is particularly inane--and obviously derived from religious doctrine.

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:24 pm**

Derron wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:Round here, our corn is looking awesome (we grow it later here, generally). We've got plenty... for us. Not a major crop, so I guess we'll just eat it, since we can't supply the agricorps enough.
Our corn crop is highly different that the Midwest. Our soils in the growing regions are much better, and we have this novel thing called...IRRIGATION.

We are not dry land farmers as is the Midwest regions. They dry out early, so they plant early and harvest late. They depend upon stored soil moisture, and the hope that the early summer rains will replace the evaporated water. If it works out...great, if not..this is what results.

Our farmers slap a suction line in the nearest river or creek, and roll out these huge traveling sprinklers that water about 15 to 20 acres a set, 2 sets per day. This started last week and will go on until harvest in late September. Our per acre yields are at least 3 times what the corn belt producers get, but our total corn acreage is probably 1 / 100 if not less. Most of our corn is processed for the fresh or frozen market, not hog feed and that so efficient ethanol production, although there is some ethanol production, government subsidized of course.

Neighbor has 53 acres growing right next to my place, and I have unlimited picking for turning the sprinkler pump on and off a few times and letting him know if things are not right.

That dryland farming is rolling the fucking dice too much. At least we can control one of the more critical inputs to a successful harvest, and generally experience about no crop failures. Yields may vary from year to year, but very little loss occurs even in the worst years.

This is a patently absurd and dangerous form of lunacy. The Planet Corn approach to America's agricultural economy is as misguided and misleading as the robust plowing that that led to the Dust Bowl in the 1930's. Despite the earth's oceans covering a majority of its surface, ours is in fact a very dry planet. In fact less than one percent of the planet is composed of water, and of this a tiny percentage is fresh water. We are--all over the globe--in a fresh water crisis right now, as well as a corollary crisis of desertification. The use of corn for fuel is utterly insane and wasteful, as well as the bloating of our food with corn sugar, etc.

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:40 pm**

Dinsdale wrote:And for the record, Goobs -- white noise

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:42 pm**

Goobs, don't just post nothing.

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:07 pm**

Derron wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:Dohron,

Oregon doesn’t even register as a producer of corn.

http://www.stuffaboutstates.com/agricul ... n_corn.htm

Looks like there are a couple of counties in Washington that produce at a decent clip.

http://www.agweb.com/harvest_map.aspx

But Iowa, Illinos, and Nebraska together produce almost half of the nation's corn. I'm guessing that Oregon is a net corn importer.
Gobbles McCocks:

Most of the corn produced goes to corn starch, and some powders made for export. Big canneries in the Salem area process a lot of the fresh market corn and frozen corn. Distance to market is critical in the cost ratio, 50 miles to the processor seems to the on the high end. That is on the sweet corn side. Plenty of field corn grown to feed cows.

Those areas in Washington are probably close to the Columbia River where they have huge circle pivot irrigation and cheap power, although they got hit with some 18% power rate increases.

Sweet corn is usually a three year rotation crop with wheat, sometimes beans, all depends on what the grower grows. Price of wheat is right up there, about $ 8.95 a bushel today. Can't go wrong there with 150 bushel / acre on the west side, less on the east.

As Derron so eloquently explained, sweet corn and field corn are two very different animals. Goobs' statistics are for field (grain) corn which, while it comprises more than 95% of the corn produced in the US, is not fit for human consumption in its raw form. It's used for feed, cereal products, corn starch, sweeteners, booze and ethanol.

Canned, frozen and the fresh corn on your dinner table is sweet corn. Seems that most of those midwest corn behemoths aren't so big on sweet corn.

Table 2--Sweet corn, fresh: Production, by State, 2009 (cwt)
Florida 6,681
Caliornia 4,482
Georgia 3,250
Washington 2,162
NewYork 2,150
Ohio 1,357
Colorado 1,088
Michigan 1,001
Pennsylvania 979
NewJersey 781
NorthCarolina 693
Wisconsin 602
Illinois 582
Indiana 421
Delaware 420
Oregon 343
Massachuetts 306
Connecticut 273
Maryland 261
Texas 156
Virginia 102
Maine 90
NewHampshire 77
Alabama 74
Rhode Island 45
Vermont 45
Arkansas --
Arizona --
Hawaii --
Kansas --
Kentucky --
Missouri --
Oklahoma --
SouthCarolina --
United States 1/ 28,421

http://usda.mannlib.cornell.edu/MannUsd ... entID=1564

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:45 pm**

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Goobs, don't just post nothing.

You should try it. It would be a huge improvement.

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:47 pm**

Thanks for the clarification, Mikey.

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:53 pm**

You mean, we can't eat field corn?!

Next, they'll be telling us that

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:18 pm**

Truman wrote:You mean, we can't eat field corn?!

Next, they'll be telling us that

You may not believe this, but 99.9% of the people that live in "non-flyover" country (which would be about 90% of the US population {made up statistic}) thinks that all corn looks like this:

or this:

Btw...If all homosexuals are gay does that mean that all gay people are homosexual?

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:23 pm**

Goober McTuber wrote:Thanks for the clarification, Mikey.

Glad to help out whenever I can.

Did you know about field corn vs. sweet corn before?
I think it's pretty damn amazing.

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:23 pm**

What do Gay Homosexuals do with their field corn then?

Back to the weather front, I'm flying to DC tomorrow, pretty sure the weather is going to suck the life out of me when i'm there.

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:28 pm**

Mikey wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:Thanks for the clarification, Mikey.

Glad to help out whenever I can.

Did you know about field corn vs. sweet corn before?

Yes. They grow that shit about a mile from my house.

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:33 pm**

Goober McTuber wrote:
Mikey wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote:Thanks for the clarification, Mikey.

Glad to help out whenever I can.

Did you know about field corn vs. sweet corn before?
Yes. They grow that shit about a mile from my house.

Do you go out and forage for the leftovers after the harvest is done?

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:34 pm**

Forgive me for believing that most folks possess a modicum of common sense, Mikey, and for still holding faith that intelligence may one day break out across our country.

High expectations, I suppose, of an educational system that regularly graduates people who cannot find Europe on a map, or reason that Franklin’s mug is on a $100 bill “because he was the 100th president.”

:?

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:38 pm**

atomicdad wrote:What do Gay Homosexuals do with their field corn then?

Feed their cows?

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:46 pm**

LTS TRN 2 wrote:
This is a patently absurd and dangerous form of lunacy.

Yeah..growing food is way over rated and we could completely do with out it.

Despite the earth's oceans covering a majority of its surface, ours is in fact a very dry planet. In fact less than one percent of the planet is composed of water, and of this a tiny percentage is fresh water. We are--all over the globe--in a fresh water crisis right now, as well as a corollary crisis of desertification.

There is plenty of water on this earth. It is man's ignorance and inability to impound and hold water that causes shortages. Chock that up to a political process.

We know that science escapes you..so feel free to rant on you fucking idiot.

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:48 pm**

Truman wrote:
atomicdad wrote:What do Gay Homosexuals do with their field corn then?
Feed their cows?

Fill their corn holes ?

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:05 pm**

Truman wrote:Forgive me for believing that most folks possess a modicum of common sense, Mikey, and for still holding faith that intelligence may one day break out across our country.

High expectations, I suppose, of an educational system that regularly graduates people who cannot find Europe on a map, or reason that Franklin’s mug is in on a $100 bill “because he was the 100th president.”

:?

Oh well, it is what it is. I figure it's at least partly a regional thing. Not too much field corn around here. A lot of people on the coasts think that corn is corn. You could probably find a lot of flyover folks who wouldn't know what to do with an artichoke, or who might try to cut into a not quite ripe avocado and wonder how they make guacamole out of those suckers (if they even knew what guacamole was).

BTW...was President Franklin a big coffee drinker? :?

Posted: **Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:07 pm**

Truman wrote:Forgive me for believing that most folks possess a modicum of common sense, Mikey, and for still holding faith that intelligence may one day break out across our country.

Despite all evidence to the contrary, ay? Well...good luck with that.

Posted: **Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:28 am**

Mikey wrote:A lot of people on the coasts think that corn is corn. You could probably find a lot of flyover folks who wouldn't know what to do with an artichoke, or who might try to cut into a not quite ripe avocado and wonder how they make guacamole out of those suckers (if they even knew what guacamole was).

Possibly. But most folks I know can work their way around a bowl of guacamole in pretty good fashion. Buncha Messicans settled in these parts years ago 'cuz there were too damn many crazy people that live in California, so avocados have kinda caught on. BTW, my experience with fresh artichokes is that they're a pain in the ass, so maybe I'm doing it wrong. I'm open to suggestions. Topic for another forum.

What I CAN tell you is that we are approximately 1,500 miles from the nearest body of Big Water, and folks in these parts have sense enough to know that you can't drink the water once you get there. Just like you can't eat field corn here.

That stuff don’t exactly look like it’s headed for Del Monte or Libbey’s. Don’t they teach social studies in left-coast middle schools?

BTW...was President Franklin a big coffee drinker? :?

Lost me, dawg. Tell Bace to give you back your password. Sure I'll laff once you 'splain it to me.

Posted: **Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:40 am**

Derron wrote:we have this novel thing called...IRRIGATION.

You call that irrigation?

That's not irrigation... this is IRRIGATION.

Posted: **Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:43 am**

mvscal wrote:
Truman wrote:Forgive me for believing that most folks possess a modicum of common sense, Mikey, and for still holding faith that intelligence may one day break out across our country.
Despite all evidence to the contrary, ay? Well...good luck with that.

I think we're headed for two countries, mvscal. Maybe not in our lifetimes, but...

The media has professed to two Americas for at least the past decade. Hell, why not put it to a test? Peaceably, of course, with free passage between the two nations. Half the population of this country hates the other half of the country anyway. Let the Big Government folks have the Northeast and Pacific Coast. They can implement all the social programs and change the Constitution to fit their needs all they want to. The rest of America can return to the Constitution of our Founders, and leave the big decision-making to the member states. I refuse to believe "the American Experiment" is over. Put the two societies side-by-side, and let's see which one prospers...

Posted: **Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:10 am**

Truman wrote:the Northeast and Pacific Coast

Fine with me. Both are beautiful regions. You can move to your party's home base -- The Bible Belt -- (I guess fitting since your school already did) where the average temperature is higher than the average IQ, and the average IQ is about the same as the average number of teeth per maw. The only things necks are proficient at are football and obesity, so I'd like our chances in foreign affairs.

Posted: **Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:35 am**

Truman wrote:BTW, my experience with fresh artichokes is that they're a pain in the ass, so maybe I'm doing it wrong. I'm open to suggestions. Topic for another forum.

I’ll let it rip here…
Take a nice knife, butcher knife if you’ve got one, and slice ‘em in half, top to bottom, throught the choke. Steam until hearts are tender to fork (20-30 mins). Clean out choke, season with something similar you’d do to a steak. Throw on grill for about 3-5 mins each side. Serve with a dipping sauce of mayo, sour cream, a bit of salsa, and some of same seasoning used on artichokes. Dip ‘leaves’ (bracts of the flowers) into dipping sauce. Excellent.

Posted: **Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:22 am**

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
Truman wrote:the Northeast and Pacific Coast
Fine with me. Both are beautiful regions. You can move to your party's home base -- The Bible Belt -- (I guess fitting since your school already did) where the average temperature is higher than the average IQ, and the average IQ is about the same as the average number of teeth per maw. The only things necks are proficient at are football and obesity, so I'd like our chances in foreign affairs.

Kowtowing to Putin, Jintao, and Ahmadinejad, sending drones to take out intelligence sources because you're too fucking spineless to capture and interrogate them, and apologizing to third-world countries for American agression is your idea of foreign affairs?

You limp-wristed, pussies wouldn't last to see the turn of the 22nd Century. Meanwhile, you're "beautiful regions" will be over-run by open-border illegals and government housing. But you're welcome to send your Olympians to train in our Rockies.

And if you are truly that dedicated to the idea of providing sustenance to those that refuse to help themselves, then I would be very careful to play the IQ card. 'Sayin.'

Posted: **Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:46 am**

Truman wrote:Let the Big Government folks have the...Pacific Coast.

From my cold, dead hands...

Posted: **Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:50 am**

Truman wrote:You limp-wristed, pussies wouldn't last to see the turn of the 22nd Century. Meanwhile, you're "beautiful regions" ...

At least we'd understand remedial punctuation. On second thought, I guess you guys have bode in a border war because 99% of your budget is military expenses, with the other 26 bucks allocated to education -- all spent on bibles. You don't all need bibles, because most of you believe in every word without ever actually having read a word.

I don't support half the things you just said, so I guess I form my own country of independents (Notre Dame) where we promise greatness and deliver mediocrity, regardless of leadership.

Posted: **Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:54 am**

mvscal wrote:
Truman wrote:Let the Big Government folks have the...Pacific Coast.
From my cold, dead hands...

South California, Homer. We'll establish San Diego as a beach-head. Too many gray warships in the bay for the Left's liking anyway. They can always fly their drones off of pontoon boats moored most anywhere else anyway...

Posted: **Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:01 am**

Do we get to keep Hawaii and Alaska?

Maybe we could make Guam and Puerto Rico states... Cuba is ripe for the picking as well.

Posted: **Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:15 am**

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
Truman wrote:You limp-wristed, pussies wouldn't last to see the turn of the 22nd Century. Meanwhile, you're "beautiful regions" ...
At least we'd understand remedial punctuation. On second thought, I guess you guys have bode in a border war because 99% of your budget is military expenses, with the other 26 bucks allocated to education -- all spent on bibles. You don't all need bibles, because most of you believe in every word without ever actually having read a word.

I don't support half the things you just said, so I guess I form my own country of independents (Notre Dame) where we promise greatness and deliver mediocrity, regardless of leadership.

Cutting quite the broad swath, that was fairly devastating.

Posted: **Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:18 am**

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
Truman wrote:You limp-wristed, pussies wouldn't last to see the turn of the 22nd Century. Meanwhile, you're "beautiful regions" ...
At least we'd understand remedial punctuation. On second thought, I guess you guys have bode in a border war because 99% of your budget is military expenses, with the other 26 bucks allocated to education -- all spent on bibles. You don't all need bibles, because most of you believe in every word without ever actually having read a word.

I don't support half the things you just said, so I guess I form my own country of independents (Notre Dame) where we promise greatness and deliver mediocrity, regardless of leadership.

Mid-post edit. I'll have Moving Sale proof-read my take before my next post so as not to offend your sensibilities. Pity punctuation diverted your attention away from reading retention, as it's clear the terms "peaceably" and "free passage between the two nations" escaped you.

Unbunch your panties, Blue. All I'm suggesting is that a Social Democracy is doomed to fail. That isn't just my take - there are a dozen posts on Page 1 of this Board alone that suggest we are in a world of hurt. If you are that certain that an Entitled America can indeed continue to thrive at the expense of a Constitutional America, then entertain my suggestion. Hell, you can laugh while the Red States defense-spend themselves into oblivion and gleefully say, "told you so." What are you afraid of?

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